=== LarrySteeze is now known as LarrySteeze|Away === ark is now known as Guest15438 === LarrySteeze|Away is now known as LarrySteeze === 92AAAS3PJ is now known as frecel === jamesh_ is now known as jamesh === vying is now known as Guest42182 [03:31] I am being touched by Ubuntu touch [03:31] lol [03:31] me too [03:31] its sweet isnt it [03:31] dev guys did the greatest job [03:32] No apps [03:32] got screenies? [03:32] MistaMike: wanna see the new touch video? [03:33] sure :-) [03:33] holdon [03:33] sure thing [03:34] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoFsLuBcOPg [03:34] thats how it looks like [03:35] MistaMike: its still not perfect, but improved alot from previous version [03:40] lotuspsychje: looks a bit laggy, overall nice UI. Different, so I like. [03:41] Penis [03:41] Lol [03:41] Please [03:41] Typo [03:41] lol [03:41] I didn't see lag [03:41] Just looks a bit slow to me .-. maybe it's the video.. [03:42] I use iphone but this would be cool if more apps wee available [03:42] Seems like not enough apps [03:43] I use an iPhone myself, but this is better than those bloated android version on phones like Samsung and HTC [03:46] i agree [03:46] android still runs smoother on the nexus7 [03:46] but i switched to touch just for the security [03:46] I don't have any nexus products, I haven't used android since having an S3, but I cracked 2, and crashed another 2. So I just gave up on them. [03:48] lol [03:49] that google play store is a nightmare [03:49] playground for malicious apps [03:50] im so glad it run touch now [03:50] Truth. Android is just going downhill. Most of the phones are just idk, poorly made in my opinion. Except the sexy HTC phones. [03:51] well im really curious how the world will respond on those 2 ubuntu phones that will launch later [03:51] Oh please, like crazy. It'll spread like wildfire. [03:52] i really hope so [03:52] that way it will stimulate to improve touch on any device [03:53] I wouldn't see why not? They're nice UI, and Ubuntu itself is already popular. many will want their phones [03:53] true [03:53] i have ubuntu running everywhere now :p [03:53] netbook, tablet desktop [03:53] I use Mac OS X daily, but I have ubuntu on a laptop under my couch.. [03:54] nicely [03:56] under my couch....lol [03:56] better then under pillow [03:56] I'm still a mac user for desktop use, but I do like the idea of ubuntu on phone [03:57] lol it used to be my living room laptop, but I switched that with a mac mini lol [03:57] i like the 'running apps' slide mechanism on touch [03:57] so now it's just a movie server under my bed [05:05] ubuntu touch is just for nexus devices? [05:15] can android apps be ported to ubuntu-touch [05:26] popassy: depends on your definition of ported [05:26] popassy: sailfish (another linux mobile os) supports android apps by licensing myriak's alien dalvik [05:27] but otherwise I'd imagine it would be up to the original developer === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [05:50] is there anyone i can anyone i can contact to install ubuntu touch on moto g? [05:51] there is no one assigned to moto g, as far as this page reflects: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Working.2C_but_not_available_from_cdimage.ubuntu.com [05:51] bact: ^ [06:39] good morning [07:05] hello, Do the ubuntu phone come with the webkit engine for internet rendering ? [07:08] Hi, I'm trying to crosscompile my application for Ubuntu Touch, and I'm wondering what the best way of getting the required libraries (libasound2 ...) to cross compile against is. I'm using the Nexus 7. Chroot. [07:13] Hi, I'm trying to cross-compile my application onto the Nexus7. Whats the easiest way to get the libraries I depend on? [07:13] nishantjr, how are you cross-compiling, are you using Qt Creator? [07:14] is there a way to switch from 14.04 devel to 14.10 devel ? [07:15] No, I'm using the CLI, Setting CC, CXX and LD in the environment, --host and --build in ./configure. The app is a CLI only. [07:17] HiMax, dbarth is your friend :) [07:17] dbarth, ^ [07:20] @dpm Will using QT Creator simplify building the app? It's CLI only and has no QT deps [07:20] nishantjr, what kind of phone app is CLI only? [07:21] what does it do? [07:21] will it run confined in a click package? [07:23] tvoss: i do not know of the dbarth system [07:23] dpm, We're not planning on putting this up on the store. Just for our own use. It makes SIP calls. [07:23] HiMax, not a system, a person :) dbarth is responsible for webapps :) === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [07:24] tvoss: ok ty [07:25] nishantjr, ok, gotcha. Then you might need to wait for someone else to help you set up an armhf chroot on the command line to do your cross-compilation, I generally do it using Qt Creator and it sets things up for me [07:27] nishantjr, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild might get you started [07:27] @dpm, OK, thanks for your time. Would debootstrap be the way to go [07:28] nishantjr, I'm not sure. Check out the link tvoss just pasted for you ^ [07:29] HiMax: hi there, i'm a person indeed ;) [07:29] * dbarth takes off his robot disguise [07:30] HiMax: so we ship oxide now, which is a webkit-based, chromium derivative rendering engine [07:30] tvoss, dpm Thanks! [07:30] HiMax: it gets high marks on html5test.com now [07:32] dbarth: aslong as its the webkit engine is in the core i will like it :) Thanks for the information. [07:37] hi [07:37] im install ubuntu touch 14.04 on ubuntu pc [07:38] package downloading is very slow [07:38] anyone help me [07:44] how to download mako zip file for ubuntu touch 14.04 [07:45] wajid: install ubuntu-device-flash, run ubuntu-device-flash -d mako --download-only? [07:46] on ubuntu terminal give a slow speed [07:47] 5 to 10 kbps download speed [07:49] It's possible that the servers are still a bit overloaded with the 14.04 release? [07:50] ok can i install ubuntu touch 14.04 release cwm recovery [07:51] You'd also be able to download bits from system-image.ubuntu.com directly, but it's much easier to just let ubuntu-device-flash do the work ;) === TJ_ is now known as Guest28660 [08:31] Hi [08:31] I have problems with accessing utorrent through localhost:8080 [08:31] is there somebody who can help me with this? [08:32] Watch out though I am just starting to use linux === jgdxx is now known as jgdx === john-mcaleely is now known as john-mcaleely|af === john-mcaleely|af is now known as john-mcaleely [09:30] Saviq, mzanetti wrt bug 1309915 i assume thats specific to webapps then [09:30] bug 1309915 in unity-mir (Ubuntu) "foreground app should recieve SIGSTOP on suspend" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1309915 [09:31] ogra_: just recompiling some stuff in debug mode to find out more. [09:31] try using a webapp that plays a movie or radio (i'm usually using laut.fm to test audio stuff in webapps) [09:31] ack [09:31] i think the actual prob is that we dont SIGSTOP multithreaded apps [09:42] hi [09:42] Can somebody help me with using localhost:8080 [09:48] harry_, on your phone ? [09:49] no [09:49] on my laptop [09:49] then please go to #ubuntu ... [09:49] I want to access utorrent [09:49] Aaah [09:49] ok thanks [09:49] :) [10:22] mzanetti, FWIW, media playback isn't meant to stop when suspending an app... it's meant to work in the background [10:23] even now it happens out of process through stagefright [10:23] and later - through mediahub [10:25] ogra_, FYI: [10:25] mzanetti, FWIW, media playback isn't meant to stop when suspending an app... it's meant to work in the background [10:25] even now it happens out of process through stagefright [10:25] and later - through mediahub [10:25] Saviq, err [10:25] the app is supposed to be stopped, right [10:26] app, yes, but you don't want music playback from it to stop, if possible, for example [10:26] but yeah, I'm assuming that all media playback goes through gstreamer + stagefright, which might not be the case [10:26] music playback is just the indicator to show the app does not stop if it is in the foreground [10:26] that bug has nothing to do with playback indeed :) [10:27] ogra_, I don't agree necessarily :D [10:27] ogra_, stopping the foreground app should not (might not already) stop playback [10:27] if you switch apps, the playback stops after a few seconds [10:27] if you foreground it again it picks up exactly where it stopped [10:27] ogra_, ok, that probably means it's playing in process [10:27] if the app is in foreground and you press the power button, the app goes on playing [10:28] ogra_, and yes, it should stop indeed [10:28] but starts to stutter since the system apparently tries to suspend but cant [10:28] right, ignore the playback :) [10:28] thats just an easy to use indicator here [10:28] kk [10:28] i know media-hub is supposed to take that [10:29] `ps aux` is a better indicator IMO ;) [10:29] heh, but that means i need to be connected which will prevent the phone from suspend [10:29] adbd kepps it up forcefully [10:29] but yeah, it doesn't stop [10:29] so trying to get suspend data through it is impossible [10:30] status is S all the time [10:30] yup confirmed [10:30] thanks :) [10:30] i bet its just a copy/paste job mostly ... to make it do the same as if the app gets backgrounded [10:31] ogra_, actually no, read https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1309915/comments/4 [10:31] Launchpad bug 1309915 in unity-mir (Ubuntu) "foreground app should recieve SIGSTOP on suspend" [Undecided,Confirmed] [10:31] ogra_, will get better with the non-blocking mir [10:31] aha ! [10:32] ogra_, if you lock the phone and then power it back on without unlocking, it should stop playback [10:32] yup [10:32] confirmed [10:33] stops immediately [10:33] hmm [10:33] but only one time [10:33] ah, no, just takes a second longer the second time [10:34] yeah, it shouldn't stop immediately, really [10:34] since it has a grace period of a few secs [10:34] the first time it does [10:35] well, did for me [10:36] * Saviq marked dupe [10:36] ++ [10:36] thanks ! [10:43] jamesh, are you around? I have some small questions on do-dbus and how I can write some tests withit === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:27] Chipaca: hi, just wanted to ask about push notifications. Is there a plan to allow local (trusted) services to produce them? [11:28] e.g. something like the mediascanner saying "new music found", that sorta thing [11:28] pete-woods: why would a local app service want to do that? [11:28] pete-woods: I mean, why not pop up the notification? [11:29] Chipaca: I guess I saw this as a central place for finding out about events? [11:29] pete-woods: I don't think we've discussed using the push notifications client as the clearing house for all notifications on the client, no [11:29] how about personal servers ... i.e. could my IMAP server send one to me if new mail arrives ? [11:29] ogra_: yes, it could [11:29] wow [11:29] thats cool [11:29] ogra_: on my TODO i have making a service that makes it as easy as you're now imaging it to be (hint: it isn't) [11:30] heh, k [11:30] it's a personal todo, that one, fwiw [11:30] i'm not in a hurry :) [11:30] Chipaca: okay, so at the moment, it's a bit of a free for all regarding notifications then? [11:30] you need something talking to your imap server and to the push server. If you're big, you do that yourself; if you're little, it's probably too much effort :) [11:30] that's fine, just wanted to check the plan really [11:30] pete-woods: currently it's a mess [11:31] pete-woods: and I can understand not wanting to get into that [11:31] pete-woods: and the push client will have a local dbus api to "inject" notifications, for testing & qa [11:31] pete-woods: and a priviliged (non-sandboxed) app could talk to that dbus api [11:31] okay, but not for something I might have been tempted to use it for then [11:31] pete-woods: but ... :) [11:31] right [11:32] pete-woods: OTOH, looking at all the spectrum of notifications, it would be really nice to have a single api for them all [11:32] Chipaca: basically at the minute we have a not well publicised DBus API in the shell that just takes a string [11:32] and maybe that's the push client? or the push client is a client of that api [11:32] pete-woods: we have as many apis as we have notification types [11:32] and maybe a couple more, for fun [11:33] yeah, seems that way [11:33] I guess I just naively saw the push client as a unified message bus for simple notifications [11:41] Chipaca: just to carry this on, my concern is that, say we want to know when e.g. a click package is installed, I think it'd be reasonable if the click guys were upset if I asked them to talk to my random DBus interface [11:41] seems like they should be pushing a notification onto something like the push client [11:42] pete-woods: I agree that that is reasonable === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:49] hi, i am getting a "Download Error" message while trying to install an app [12:51] rebooted, it works again === jhodapp|afk is now known as jhodapp [12:59] ogra_, when doing this command: ubuntu-device-flash --channel trusty --bootstrap --server="http://system-image.tasemnice.eu" is it possible to retrieve the image or zip file and install it through MultiROM? [12:59] Graknol, Tassadar should know, he maintains multirom as well as that server :) [13:00] k :) [13:00] use the android app to install ubuntu to multirom [13:00] will it work with N5? [13:00] yeah [13:01] Coool :D [13:01] <3 you Tassadar [13:01] ...should I be afraid? ^^ [13:02] In a few days you'll see me outside of your house >:) [13:03] Now, the first thing im gonna do is make a Flappy Bird clone, you're welcome world ]:} === bfiller_afk is now known as bfiller === dandrader is now known as dandrader|bank [13:33] tsdgeos: got a moment to join us in #ubuntu-touch-meeting ? [13:46] I cannot find the click app store on 303, i tried searching the apps scope too, is it in a newer version? [13:46] there is no store, you just search for the app name, I think [13:46] I tried that, but nothing pops up :/ [13:47] Graknol, do you see your local apps? [13:47] yeah [13:47] well, only in the sidebare [13:47] sidebar* [13:47] GRRR ! [13:47] not in the scope called Apps? [13:47] only recent [13:47] hmm [13:48] i did install the trusty not the trusty-devel [13:48] has anyone else have his backspace key go stuck on the OSK ? [13:48] maybe the scope crashed [13:48] trusty-proposed* [13:48] ogra_, have not seen that [13:48] should i have the proposed one? [13:48] ogra_: yeah, there's a bug for that even [13:49] * ogra_ just typed a G+ comment ... which is really really painful and takes 10x longer than on android, just to have the backspace key go stuck in the end and delete *all* the text that took me 10min to type [13:49] sergiusens, ah, good [13:49] Graknol, is your clickscope running? [13:49] dont think so, rebooting now [13:50] REBOOT WORKS :D [13:50] yeah thats bad [13:50] and now it's MUCH smoother :)= [13:50] Graknol, did you enable wifi after you booted last? [13:50] or was it first boot? [13:50] it was first boot [13:50] yeah [13:50] enabled wifi [13:50] went around, then rebooted now [13:50] yep seen that, will check the bug list === LarrySteeze is now known as LarrySteeze|Away [14:04] ogra_: oh, that type of stuck; no, no bug for that [14:05] yeah, i dont mean the popping up special chars that dont collapse [14:16] Hello everyone. How long does the initial bootup take? The ubuntu-device-flash command finished running about 3 minutes ago, and the ubuntu circle of friends is just spinning round in circles... [14:17] its just gone into recovery [14:20] gwilym, it will then reboot eventually ... [14:20] just be patient :) [14:20] ogra_ not sure if I have to do anything at this point. Its gone into recovery, do I hit reboot? Or something else? [14:22] you dont do anything [14:23] only watch the terminal [14:23] ignore whats on the device [14:24] the terminal command finished running :) [14:25] without errors ? [14:25] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7322698/ [14:25] nope [14:25] that looks fine [14:25] theoretically your device should reboot into the new system after the spinning ubuntu logo [14:25] it went into recovery though... [14:26] try rebooting it by hand and see [14:26] I've selected reboot, and it says, 'rom may flash stock recovery on boot. Fix?' [14:26] (nexus 7) [14:26] just select something [14:27] I'll go with no [14:27] doesnt matter what, its a no-op [14:27] thanks :), now lets see what happens [14:28] still showing Google with the unlocked padlock below it [14:31] give it a bit, the first boot takes a bit longer since it needs to set up some stuff [14:31] it should eventually turn black and then show the UI [14:31] if not, your flashing failed for some reason [14:31] what to do if that's the case? [14:32] first of all check the logs in /cache/recovery ... [14:33] how to get to that? Go into bootloader first? [14:33] it seems fairly stuck [14:35] do you see it with adb ? [14:35] (can you "adb shell" into it) [14:35] yep. Got root as well [14:36] well, then check for logs in /cache/recovery [14:36] the /cache directory doesn't exist... [14:37] find -name cache -type d returns no hits [14:37] thats weird [14:38] find -name ubuntu returns nothing... [14:38] are you sure you are in a booted system and not in the initrd ? [14:38] how can I tell? [14:38] the prompt should [14:38] does it say "ubuntu-phablet" ? [14:38] just a # [14:39] yeah, that means you ended up in the initrd ... weird === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [14:40] looks like the rootfs wasnt extracted properly or so ... did you touch the device/buttons hwen it was flashing ? are you sure there is even enough free diskspace ? [14:40] its a new 32gb device. I kinda messed it up the first time [14:40] oh [14:40] 32G [14:41] yes [14:41] i wonder if the partitioning is different to what we support [14:41] would that matter? [14:41] sergiusens, ^^^ have you heard of anyone using a 32G flo yet ? [14:42] ogra_: would it really be using different partitioning than say, a 32G grouper? [14:43] than grouper yes, but 16 and 32gb versions should be the same [14:43] ogra_: I haven't, but /cache/recovery/log would give use some feedback [14:43] sergiusens: but I haven't got access to /cache :( [14:44] dobey, we have had such issues in the past, yes [14:44] gwilym, reboot to recovery [14:44] there you do [14:44] gwilym: reboot into recovery [14:45] mhall119, hey, apparently http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/sdk/tutorials/installing-the-sdk/ redirects to a zh locale of that website, do you know anything about that? [14:46] orga_ sergiusens done === ignacio|away is now known as ignacio|here [14:47] Saviq, thats a subtle hint that we all should learn chinese [14:47] ogra_, looks like it indeed [14:47] gwilym, so take a look at the logs then === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [14:49] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7322860/ is the contents of /cache/recovery/log [14:49] looking through it now [14:50] orga_ sergiusens lines 519-534 contain warnings [14:51] W:failed to mount /dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/userdata (Invalid argument) [14:51] that looks suspicious [14:51] ogra_: yeah, that's not good; but flashing went fine... [14:51] gwilym: did you reboot to android after doing "fastboot oem unlock"? [14:51] Saviq: kyleN is on it [14:51] popey, kk thanks [14:51] Tassadar I think I did [14:52] Tassadar: I thought we didn't need that anymore... :/ [14:52] nope [14:52] /data is in some weird state after oem unlock and gets fixed/formatted/whatever during boot [14:53] you can try "fastboot format userdata" and flash it again, assuming you don't have any data there yet [14:53] Tassadar: do you know what that is? ogra_ we may need to add that into our recovery ubuntu_commands for format data [14:53] well, obviously fastboot ... [14:54] dunno what exactly do they do with it, but it is a common problem with custom recoveries - user does oem unlock, boots to recovery, and /data is unaccessible [14:54] Tassadar: heh; I would add format data to ubuntu-device-flash, but many people have issues with incorrect bootloader versions that report the incorrect partition size [14:54] whaat Oo [14:54] never heard about that [14:54] Tassadar: was common on the maguro [14:54] format in recovery helps too [14:54] maguro is dead and done :P [14:55] currently running the flash... [14:55] * gwilym crosses fingers [14:55] ogra_: we need a format realdata :) ; format data in our ubuntu_commands is not a real format [14:55] Saviq, yes, that page has moved and the redirect is not yet in place. Here's the new location: http://developer.ubuntu.com/start/ubuntu-sdk/installing-the-sdk/ [14:56] kyleN, yeah, just read your msg to the ML, thanks! [14:56] Saviq, I also responded to an email on ubuntu-phone subject "Website in Chinese?" [14:56] * gwilym crosses toes [14:56] OK [15:00] its booted to a black screen, but I can adb into it [15:00] plars, psivaa, cking: i've got a new UTAH building with the eventstat improvements: https://code.launchpad.net/~utah/+recipe/utah-stable should be ready for you guys very soon [15:01] sweet [15:01] doanac: ack [15:01] nice! [15:02] cking: I'm blacklisting those health check things too, and about to kick off another run with the modified duration. Should have results for you in < 2 hours [15:02] plars, thanks, I'll be around for that this evening [15:03] It works :DD Thanks ogra_, sergiusens, Tassadar [15:03] :) [15:07] Saviq: we've moving some content around on the site, waiting for the apache redirect to be activated [15:08] There isn't a dvorak keyboard layout :(. Is it possible to add one? [15:08] mhall119, noted, thanks [15:12] gwilym: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard i see no bug there for it, you may want to file one [15:13] popey: I'll add one :) [15:13] thanks [15:21] Tassadar: fwiw, this is the format breaking https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/android-building/0vW8S-1wY5k [15:21] Tassadar: fastboot getvar partition-size:userdata gave back the wrong info [15:22] heh [15:41] How do I report a bug on the Contacts app? Which project is it under? [15:42] It doesn’t seem to be listed on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps [15:48] mpt: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/address-book-app/+filebug?no_redirect [15:48] i think [15:49] thanks popey [15:49] np [15:57] (reported bug 1312263) [15:57] bug 1312263 in address-book-app (Ubuntu) ""Save" does five different undesirable things for new contact with no name" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1312263 === gatox is now known as gatox_lunch === bfiller is now known as bfiller_afk === dandrader|bank is now known as dandrader === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:26] rsalveti: is phablet_4.4.2_r1 branch usable? === gatox_lunch is now known as gatox [17:47] is there a way to recreate a click installed on a device? I mean if I unpacked a click to a directory, can I repack it so I have an installable click again? [18:01] bfiller_afk: have you tried syncing your @canonical.com calendar to the phone? [18:01] I'm getting an error on that [18:01] my personal @gmail worked fine [18:02] mhall119, i did it yesterday, wfm [18:02] hmm... [18:06] mhall119: what error? [18:08] popey: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7324133/ [18:09] removing everything in ~/.cache/syncevolution/ and rebooting seems to have done the trick [18:09] bfiller_afk: cwayne popey are any of you testing with more than one Google account setup? [18:09] that is an odd duration [18:10] mhall119: yes, i use personal and canonical account on my phone [18:10] huh, I wonder what the issue was then [18:12] your meeting is 3 seconds long [18:12] look at the start and end times [18:12] popey: I doubt that [18:12] I think that was the sync duration [18:12] oh [18:13] oh i see. [18:13] when did you see this? [18:13] \o/ all my meetings are there [18:14] popey: trying to sync my work calendar after having sync'd my personal one [18:14] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52739 is all i could find [18:14] Freedesktop bug 52739 in SyncEvolution "syncevolution error status 20017, Synchronization failed" [Normal,Resolved: invalid] [18:23] mhall119, it didnt work for me initially, seems a former manual sync left e with an incompatible db ... once i wiped that it worked for me (and hasnt stopped since) [18:23] s/e/me/ [18:24] we got a new syncevolution right before the auto sync was added ... i guess that wasnt backwards compatible [18:25] (or at least less so than expected) [18:25] ogra_: I flashed with --wipe this morning, so there shouldn't have been *any* old stuff [18:25]