=== Monotoko_ is now known as Monotoko === Monotoko is now known as Guest93534 [00:22] what happens with webpages on hidpi displays? [00:22] does the browser just lie about media width to make things work? [01:24] ali1234: CSS pixels != device pixels [01:24] See devicePixelRatio [01:25] no in other words, yes, it just lies? [01:25] *so [04:38] morning [05:28] morning all [05:35] morning jussi [05:35] whats up [05:35] sky, ceiling... :P [05:35] pffff [05:35] ;] [06:20] morning all [06:35] morning MooDoo [06:37] how are you mapps [06:39] not bad..watching last tv ep for the night [06:39] then bed:) [07:00] Morning all [07:02] morning all [07:02] morning diplo andylockran [07:30] morning all [07:31] morning [08:30] Trying to run 2XClient on Ubuntu 14.04 64-bit and it keeps just crashing on load with a segmentation fault. Console chucks out this message "/opt/2X/2xclient.sh: line 4: 3067 Segmentation fault (core dumped) LD_LIBRARY_PATH=../lib ./2XClient $@" Any ideas? [08:30] what's "2xclient"? [08:32] if it crashes like that, it's probably a bug in the application, or you're not running it on a supported platform (it being in /opt suggests it's not from a package, the LD_LIBRARY_PATH almost confirms it) [08:32] MartijnVdS: It's a proprietary RDP client that's available from the Ubuntu Software Centre [08:33] I'd file a bug then :) [08:43] kvarley-work: Not much help, but Remmina and KRDC both work well. Might tide you over. [08:43] Assuming it's standard RDP protocols you are using [08:53] TwistedLucidity: yeah thanks I'm using remmina now. I just find 2X performs a lot better with the servers I'm working with. Will wait until its updated. thanks anyway :) [08:57] good morning boys and girls. [09:00] \o brobostigon [09:00] morning MartijnVdS [09:01] morning morning [09:02] morning MooDoo [09:04] AlanBell: saw this and thought of you (and czajkowski) http://i.imgur.com/4ChkRqV.jpg [09:05] my wife's phone adds an extra 7 to the mobile number for about 5 people when replying to an SMS e.g. 07941111111 becomes 077941111111 . any ideas? [09:06] have cleared those people frmo contacts, sent a fresh txt. and it happens again when replying [09:28] popey: awww [09:28] popey: AlanBell TheOpenSourcerer http://guildfordbeerfestival.co.uk/ [09:29] * TheOpenSourcerer goes and checks the diary... [09:30] * TheOpenSourcerer would appear to be available czajkowski [09:30] sadly I am not [09:30] * nigelb hasn't seen AlanBell in a while [09:31] * TheOpenSourcerer looks at him every day [09:31] well - apart from weekends. [09:32] you have a webcam for that, right? [09:32] lol [09:32] ha [09:53] popey: reminds me of an episode of the big bang theory where sheldon was a robot, perhaps AlanBell is just a monitor on the top of TheOpenSourcerer desk at work :D [09:54] MooDoo: or TheOpenSourcerer is just AlanBell's alterego... Ive met AlanBell, but this sourcerer.... [09:54] :P [09:56] jussi: so what you're saying is you've never seem them in the same room together? [10:02] anyone have suggestions waht to do about latest 3.8.0-38 kernel not letting my laptop suspend? 3.8.0-37 works.. [10:03] http://opensslrampage.tumblr.com/ is such fun :) [10:03] foobarry: file a bug, or upgrade to 14.04 ;) [10:21] MooDoo: yeah, pretty much that :P [10:38] * jussi is feeling somewhat american [10:38] (peanut butter and jam sandwiches) [10:38] jussi: not, vegemite or marmite?! [10:39] at least it's not jelly [10:39] (too wobbly) [10:39] not today.. [10:39] Laney: true that [10:39] but american jelly is different to ours... [10:40] yeah I was being funny :( [10:41] Laney: failed :P [10:41] it's alright I laughed at it myself :( [10:42] anyone else having issues with irc today? [10:42] davmor2: no [10:45] davmor2: yes, you are on it! :P :P [10:45] * jussi hugs davmor2 [10:50] davmor2: what's going on with yours chap? [10:52] MooDoo: everything on irc keeps restarting but only irc I ping and browse as usual hence asking if it was just me or everyone [10:57] stupid computers. [11:11] davmor2: does your status window have any useful messages? [11:53] Should I expect to be able to fsck a mac formatted hdd in my linux laptop and it fix it? [11:53] I don't know if there are HFS(+) fsck tools for Linux [11:53] if it's btrfs/ext[234] then yes [11:53] its hfs+ [11:54] popey: you can fix non-journaled ones. no fsck for journaled. [11:54] bugger [11:54] popey: it's optional hfs+ feature, but enabled by default on all macs unless explicitely disabled by the user. [11:55] ta [11:55] popey: there are recovery disk-utilities you can boot - if you have a mac. [11:55] oh, thats a good point, i do have another mac, i could attach it to that and try and fix [11:55] popey: either third-party or any mac os x installer dvd / usb-stick, all have disk-utilitiy available to launch [11:55] good call! [11:56] sounds like a lunchtime task! [11:56] Oh look! Lunchtime! [12:12] that's looking a bit more stable apparently my new router might be the cause will leave that till the weekend though dd-wrt might be required :) [12:13] \o/ chugging away [12:14] chugga chugga [12:15] popey: your at work what are you doing chugging beer ;) [12:17] anyone know how to make the left and right tilt on my mouses scrollwheel actually do something? [12:17] like perhaps back/forward in the browser? [12:19] jussi: they scroll horizontally [12:19] on mine anyway [12:20] oh... so they do. that sucks. [12:20] I wonder if I can change that somewhere [12:21] paste.ubuntu.com/7321955/ thats bad ☹ [13:19] you know, it just dawned on me... the oneplus is actually what was going to be the ubuntu edge. :P :P [13:20] hardly [13:20] too big for one [13:21] I don't get the capacitive *AND* on-screen button thing... Seems like a square peg/round hole thing to me. [13:23] Gosh - Ubuntu spam from eBuyer.... "Alan, HP 255 G1 Laptop with Ubuntu only £219.99 + Free Next Day Delivery" :-D [13:23] At that price it could have another set of physical buttons inside the case and I wouldn't mind. [13:27] Woo, 64GB version! [13:27] Woo $349 [13:27] not a bad price for that little laptop [13:30] :( popey [13:30] just seen your dead laptop [13:30] ¢/win 4 [13:38] Sam is on a school trip to Windsor Castle today [13:43] popey: it's easter break isn't it? [13:43] no, they went back yesterday [13:43] ah not here they didn't I don't think [13:44] I'd be surprised. [13:46] popey: I don't know not having kids but the traffic is too light at school leaving time [13:47] * popey tries to remember a time before kids [13:47] popey: I get Sue from the hospice around 15-16:00 too little traffic [13:47] our kids went back on Tuesday. [13:47] probably some grown-ups still on easter hols [13:47] popey: it's when you were slim had a capri and fun ;) [13:47] ☻ [13:47] true, except s/capri/manta/ [13:48] * TheOpenSourcerer never had a Capri :-( [13:48] Talbot Solara [13:48] popey: it wasn't a bad guess [13:48] Honda CB200 with Reverse Cone Megaphones ;-) [13:49] popey: so if we here about a secondary fire breaking out at windsor castle today we know why right :) [13:50] popey: ohhhh LV issue 3 on digital download now :) [13:51] how to restore multiple databases mysql command line [13:53] davmor2: yay [13:54] my dad had a Talbot Solara.. PLM 573W [13:54] and an Horizon, ELY 760T [13:55] i have taken multiple databases single sql file how to restore all Ubuntu please help me [13:56] mysql -uroot -p Good morning peeps :) [16:45] ditto [16:45] * diddledan yawns === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:40] yo [17:47] http://altairclone.com/ [17:54] interesting. prettier than the briel computers one [18:44] hi can anyone help me with a ssh problem? [18:44] Hello. I'm completly new to ubuntu. I'm trying to boot from a usb 1.1 (yeah I know). I used pendrivelinux to make the bootable drive. When I try to boot however all i get are fans and a black sceen. I waited it out for a good while, maybe 15-20 minutes what with trying to boot fro 1.1. I'm on an acer aspire 5930G with 4 GB ram and 250 GB HDD . and I'm trying to boot the latest version of ubuntu, 64bit. does anyone have any clue wh [18:45] oh and I've changed the boot priority to USB-HDD and it's picking up my drive. [18:45] Sorry for the bombardment! [18:59] Hi all, just to clarify, the machine is picking up my drive but is still not booting. Advice still welcome. T [19:23] is this system still used? [19:23] ubuntu? yes, I believe so [19:23] Alright :D [19:24] they're starting to put it in phones now, dun'tchaknow [19:24] because ive had some problems letely with graphics are far as ubuntu is concerned [19:24] +as far [19:25] im thinking of installing 14.04 now but i really dont want to fuss with what happened to my graphics last time [19:25] after installing the driver for my gtx 660 with ubuntu it gets stuck in 800x600 [19:25] before is fine [19:26] and if i use hdmi instead of dvi [19:26] it works fine too [19:26] and my second screen displays the correct res [19:27] usually trying to force a res is leading to the edid [19:27] being bad [19:27] is there a way i can take windows edid and use that [19:27] or just another way to force 1080 into ubuntu [19:28] afaik the edid is embedded in the monitor [19:28] yep [19:29] so its either dont install drivers and not be able to use steam [19:29] or just install them and enjoy 800x600 [20:00] popey, ping -- you did tell me before how to get the version number of the most recent promoted phone image, but when the compputer died I lost the logs :( [20:04] system settings -> about [20:04] popey, that shows the version I'm running, not whether there's a newer version to install, doesn't it? I'm dual-boot so I have to upgrade from teh android app [20:05] oh, dunno about that [20:07] aquarius: lemme ask you a question... [20:08] phaser.io looks awesome [20:08] I've seen it, but not used it for anything yet [20:08] but requires that it be loaded from a webserver, and not locally loaded, apparently it uses get requsts and json stuff which has to pull from a server, not local filesystem [20:08] yeah; these days, you pretty much need a webserver to do anything [20:08] so there's no way that is going to fly on an ubuntu phone as a local app [20:09] which is a bummer [20:09] hrm [20:09] I wish I could say that QML had a really good XMLHttpRequest implementation and so this wouldn't be a problem [20:09] which leads to my question - how could I? [20:09] but it does not. [20:09] well, you could spin up a web server pretty easily in C or Go, I imagine [20:10] but I can't see how you can stop other apps on the device connecting to it [20:10] oh, i could ship a little apache/lighttpd or whatever in my app? [20:10] this is the desktopcouch problem all over again [20:10] yeah. Not apache ;) [20:10] I imagine that Qt has be-a-webserver stuff in it [20:10] well, whatever, i could launch one from my app? [20:10] I'd do it in process, myself [20:11] http://doc.qt.digia.com/solutions/4/qtservice/qtservice-example-server.html [20:11] doc.qt.digia.com/solutions/4/qtservice/qtservice-example-server.html [20:11] hah [20:11] top hit [20:11] that's qt 4 [20:11] but you can see that it's possible [20:11] I'm not enough of a C++ guy to know how to do it, though [20:11] and we can't do python apps :) [20:11] but surely I could ship a tiny binary server? [20:12] yeah [20:12] I don't know how the application lifecycle works then, though [20:12] spawn it then launch my browser container thing [20:12] you're not allowed to run background apps, right? [20:12] but its not background [20:12] it's run by my app [20:12] what happens if you just execute system("something &") [20:12] which is currently in the foreground [20:12] dunno [20:12] yeah, but it has to be a separate process [20:12] popey: can you not use file:/// urls? [20:12] no diddledan [20:12] otherwise your foreground app is blocked [20:12] dang [20:13] that sucks [20:13] or it has to be in-process [20:13] so now "your app" is two processes; the webserver, and the browser container [20:13] I don't know if that's allowed. [20:13] tedg or jdstrand or someone would know, I imagine [20:13] i dont understand why it wouldn't be [20:14] surely apps dont have to be 1:1 app:process [20:14] well, the app lifecycle thing suspends your app when you switch to another app [20:14] right [20:14] but Im not doing that [20:14] I'm looking at my app [20:14] and this is a child of my app [20:14] we should move this to -app-devel and highlight relavent people ☻ [20:14] if your app's started 2 processes.... how does the lifecycle thing know which 2 processes they are? [20:14] cgroups iirc [20:15] thats not something you or i need worry about [20:15] you start your app, your app could spawn 10 processes, but they belong to that upstart job [20:18] Does a bug being marked as 'confirmed' from 'triaged' suggest anything about an intention to fix it? [20:22] (it's bug 1243240 which I suspect to be either user-error or working-as-designed, so I'm intrigued as to whether that status change implies a future change to these menu buttons) [20:22] bug 1243240 in indicator-messages (Ubuntu) "It is unclear what sort of unread message is being indicated" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1243240 [20:25] popey: re phaser.io, with Qt you can override the http transport mechanism and therefore cause your app to handle all requests internally... it's really very good [20:25] oh? [20:26] that sounds delightful [20:26] yeah there is a class called like QtWebkitHttpRequest or something [20:27] i've used it for my web archiver in order to catch and archive all http requests done by the page, but you could also redirect the requests to local resources [20:28] ali1234, ooh, that's a sneaky plan -- have the web *think* that it's doing http requests but instead they're being intercepted. [20:28] clever [20:28] still needs c++ though :) [20:28] you can do it in python also [20:28] you can't do anything good with only QML... despite what the developers say, it's really just a replacement for XML user interface files [20:29] no python on the phone, is the problem there. [20:29] http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qnetworkrequest.html <- i think this is the thing you need to hook into... but i can't really remember [20:29] I disagree; you can do a lot with pure QML [20:29] there is python on the phone [20:30] root@black-phablet:~# python [20:30] Python 2.7.6 (default, Mar 22 2014, 23:30:12) [20:30] but you hit problems in certain areas where qml just isn't there for you [20:30] popey, but writing click apps in it is not allowed, right? [20:30] you can do a lot... but not anything interesting [20:30] actually i would apply the same criticism to click apps [20:30] depends on your definition of interesting, I suppose. If you could have written a phonegap app to do it, you can do it with pure QML instead, mostly. [20:31] i dunno what makes you say python isnt allowed [20:31] long running python programs are discouraged, sure [20:31] popey, it's OK to write click apps in python?? [20:31] i have not heard anyone say no [20:32] I have. It's all "use pure QML if you can; C++ and (soon) Go if you need more, or C/OpenGL" [20:32] if that's wrong, then great! [20:32] thats the recommnended supported path [20:32] i would expect you could override Qt classes with Go [20:33] you can -- gustavo and others have made go a perfectly good Qt host lamnguage, apparently [20:33] although I havent' tried it, yet [20:34] I had a cursory look at QML - it looks weird to me coming from an HTML background [20:35] it's got some weird parts. But I like it. [20:35] diddledan: it's just like HTML/javascript DOM, except with Qt objects instead of HTML elements [20:35] and the syntax is a little bit weird [20:36] oh I does have programmability? from what I saw (very limited) it was just markup with very little actual logic [20:37] no that's about right [20:37] it has the same level of programmability you get with javascript, because that's basically what it is [20:37] you can do logic, and set/get properties on Qt objects [20:38] you can't make new Qt objects [20:38] you can probably do pixel access on a QCanvas but it's going to suck [20:38] if you want to do complex things, you build the component in C++ and then use it in QML [20:40] it's designed for kinetic scroller apps and very simple 2D games (eg solitaire, minesweeper) [20:40] basically the kind of shovelware you find in app stores for 99c [20:43] aquarius: right, so any time you wanna make me a framework app that I can stuff my phaser.io code in. that'd be sweet ☻ [20:43] lol [20:43] that sounds like an interesting challenge actually [20:43] what does it actually need on the server side? [20:44] so the idea was to write a simple game for ubuntu phone using phaser.io [20:44] but this was the stumbling block i had [20:44] popey, it's doable if I can use Python. I'm still on 13.10 right now, but once I upgrade I'd be happy to throw together a tiny PyQt app to do it, assuming that pyqt is available on the phone! [20:44] so the game needs to be in a directory that the server serves out [20:44] is that all? just serve files? [20:45] aquarius: no pyqt [20:45] popey, if I can't use Python for this (say because PyQt isn't on the phone) then you'll need a C++ person, and I suspect ali1234 is your man ;) [20:45] ali1234: i think so [20:45] in fact [20:45] you might not need to do anything at all if it just serves files [20:45] i thought it might be handy to have a framework into which people could dump their phaser.io game, run "click build foo" and job done [20:45] for a c++ person it'd take about fifteen seconds to write a tiny app which launches a qtwebkit container and overrides its http requests to point at a folder. [20:45] just convert all URLs from http: to qrc: [20:45] or file: [20:45] no, file wont work [20:45] it needs get requests [20:45] why not? [20:46] oh. and what does it do with those requests? [20:46] same origin policy,. [20:46] well, for loading assets and tilemap etc [20:46] two file: URLs are not in the same origin, so a browser will sod you up. [20:46] you can turn that stuff off [20:46] not very easily :( [20:46] not on our browser I suspect [20:47] qtwebkit doesn't expose as much stuff as it perhaps should. [20:47] so... where is the code that runs on the webserver to make this stuff work? [20:47] it's easier to have the html/js believe that it's talking to a server and operating as it expects, even if behind the scenes you trap the requests. [20:47] https://github.com/photonstorm/phaser-examples for example [20:48] popey.com/~alan/phaser/phaser-examples/examples/ e.g. [20:48] there isn't any server-side code; it's all client-side. But it expects to be running from a webserver, not from file: URLs, so that everything's int he same origin. [20:48] yes, that [20:48] Yes, you can, if you know what you're doing, make this stuff work with file: URLs, but it's actually harder than *not* doing that and instead overriding qnetworkrequest or just running a webserver. [20:49] popey: so what's actually in that directory server side? [20:50] just a git clone of that github repo [20:50] nothing more [20:50] nothing at all executable [20:50] its serving static files [20:50] correct [20:50] so you don't actually need http urls then [20:50] other than what aquarius said [20:50] the server isn't doing anything with the get requests [20:50] phaser.io is known not to work with file urls [20:50] it's just handing them back to the browser [20:50] if you don't use http urls, the browser security model will sod you up. [20:50] yeah but that will be the origin policy only [20:51] so you can either use http, or turn off the security model. [20:51] I think that using http (from the browser's point of view) is easier [20:51] and then override that http in Qt so that it's *actually* just serving files. [20:51] yeah [20:51] that would be one way to do it [20:52] btw: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8090462/qtwebkit-same-origin-policy [20:52] it might not work with file: in a normal browser, but what if you do that? ^ [20:52] as you said above, just handle qnetworkrequest to do the moral equivalent of "on request http://localhost/$foo: return load_text_file($currentdir + "/" + $foo)" [20:53] browsers are weird about file: URLs [20:53] I've spent ages in the past trying to override that in order to serve complex web apps from the filesystem [20:53] and it's just not worth the hassle. :) [20:54] if you're served from a file: URL, you can't make XHRs to file: URLs, even if they're in the same origin [20:54] so you'd have to turn that off too, etc, etc. [20:55] maybe it's worth trying the suggestions there [20:55] trying it.. [20:55] (although I think those are the Qt 4 WebSettings things, but maybe it hasn't changed much in Qt 5) [20:55] this might also be problematic when Oxide arrives, but then so will overriding qnetworkrequest :) [20:56] worth a try, indeed [20:56] oxide arrived [20:56] rly? [20:56] which is my next question, can you embed oxide in qt rather than qtwebkit ☻ [20:56] the changelogs don't seem to mention major changes tot he web browser? [20:57] liboxideqtcore is on the image [20:57] popey, if oxide has properly arrived then you should be automatically embedding it without changing anything, as I understand it [20:57] ah. "Oxide is available" is not the same thing as "the platform web widget and the browser are now oxide" ;) [20:57] we may be in the interregnum here. [20:57] the browser is [20:57] and the webapp thing is [20:57] !! [20:57] way faster [20:57] that's what I was checking the changelogs for [20:57] I must have missed it. [20:58] I shall upgrade to 303 then :) [20:58] no need [20:58] its in the released image [20:58] wait, which one you on? [20:58] 296. [20:58] wwait one [20:58] ok, my "stable" phone is 302 which already has it [20:59] right [20:59] I am now upgrading :) [20:59] arrived in 295 [20:59] people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/295.changes [21:00] um... okay [21:00] it "just works" [21:01] ali1234, cool -- then perhaps I was overly cautious! encouraging [21:01] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7325256/ [21:02] neat [21:02] presumably it would work in QML too with no problems [21:02] popey, it'd be useful to try that and test all the examples [21:02] I'm not sure if you can get the current folder in QML [21:03] but you'd know where you app is going to be installed [21:03] nope [21:03] npe [21:03] lol [21:03] it's not installed to a hardcoded path [21:03] click packages are relocatable [21:03] embed everything into the exe then [21:03] precisely absolutely to stop people hardcoding paths into their apps. [21:03] and use qrc: [21:03] ali1234, if you're in qml then you don't have an exe, ideally -- just use qmlscene. The instant you have your own exe, you're a C++ person, which I suspect popey is trying to avoid :) [21:04] well [21:04] if you can't use qrc and you can't have a known resource directory... how the hell does anyone do anything at all with QML? [21:05] surely you can use relative paths [21:05] file:///./foo [21:05] perhaps [21:05] popey, you *might* be able to make your command line in the desktop file be something like "qmlscene $PWD myapp.qml" or something [21:05] I don't know if the current directory is actually set to your app's install location, though. [21:06] self.web.load(QUrl("examples/index.html")) works [21:06] sounds like another question for -app-devel, that: how do I construct a file:/// URL in QML/HTML without writing a C++ plugin to return the current directory? [21:06] perfect [21:06] ali1234, that'll work on the desktop, ya, but the phone's a mildly different operating environment [21:07] thats should work there too imo [21:07] * popey will test [21:07] it shouldn't matter, if it does then QUrl has a bug [21:07] ali1234, you're saying that QUrl is *supposed* to resolve URLs relative to the path of the Python file? [21:07] not relative to the CWD? [21:08] if even CWD isn't right under click packages then click packages are retarded [21:08] Disagree. [21:08] it is [21:08] I think it would be perfectly reasonable for the CWD to be the user data folder for this app, not the program data folder for this app [21:08]