| jhenke | good morning | 08:55 |
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| === [1]amigamagic is now known as amigamagic | ||
| === rdf is now known as wrongtime | ||
| jhenke | since the archive for utopic exists now, will there be daily images starting tomorrow? | 16:49 |
| elfy | not yet afaik jhenke | 16:50 |
| elfy | jhenke: atm all upgrading trusty does is install a couple of packages and call it utopic | 16:54 |
| slickymasterWork | elfy, jhenke, basically it just upgrades the base-files and distro-info-data packages | 16:58 |
| elfy | yea I know :) | 16:58 |
| elfy | I tried last night at 10pm and had to do it this morning instead :p | 16:58 |
| RFleming | is there a download for utopic? | 17:44 |
| ochosi | RFleming: not yet | 17:46 |
| RFleming | was going to say | 17:47 |
| RFleming | :) | 17:47 |
| bluesabre-tmp | \o | 18:51 |
| Unit193 | Howdy. | 18:51 |
| bluesabre-tmp | hey Unit193 | 18:52 |
| ali1234 | ochosi : bug 1311685 | 18:55 |
| ubottu | bug 1311685 in xfce4-indicator-plugin (Ubuntu) "Checkboxes for hidden/visible indicators not working properly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1311685 | 18:55 |
| ali1234 | this is really weird ^ | 18:55 |
| ali1234 | the checkboxes don't redraw, although they work | 18:56 |
| knome | !team | meeting in 5 | 18:56 |
| ubottu | meeting in 5: bluesabre, elfy, GridCube, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, mr_pouit, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, slickymaster, Unit193 | 18:56 |
| knome | hey ochosi | 18:58 |
| knome | hey Unit193 | 18:58 |
| ochosi | ali1234: sounds odd, almost like a gtk3 bug | 18:58 |
| Unit193 | knome: Howdy. | 18:59 |
| ochosi | although i've never encountered that before elsewhere | 18:59 |
| ali1234 | i saw a bug like this in OO once, with the gtk UI wrapper | 18:59 |
| ali1234 | can you reproduce it? | 18:59 |
| elfy | ali1234: I saw that bug this morning - I couldn't reproduce it | 18:59 |
| Unit193 | Back in a bit. | 18:59 |
| knome | hey elfy | 18:59 |
| knome | and ali1234 :) | 18:59 |
| ochosi | ali1234: nope, works for me as expected | 18:59 |
| ali1234 | hmm... maybe depends on theme? | 19:00 |
| ochosi | hm, possible | 19:00 |
| knome | can we get the meeting started soon, we have a lot of items today | 19:00 |
| elfy | I'm ready | 19:00 |
| bluesabre-tmp | \o/ | 19:00 |
| ochosi | worth asking | 19:00 |
| knome | hey bluesabre-tmp | 19:00 |
| knome | #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting | 19:00 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Thu Apr 24 19:00:48 2014 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 19:00 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 19:00 |
| knome | i'll skip the action items, updates and announcements... | 19:01 |
| knome | #topic Making sure the Processes page is up-to-date | 19:01 |
| knome | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes | 19:01 |
| knome | if everybody could check that page and see if we are lacking some documentation for any tasks we need to take every cycle... | 19:02 |
| * ochosi notices that he never actually read that page | 19:02 | |
| knome | it's a relatively new one | 19:02 |
| knome | and still partly WIP by pleia2, Unit193 and myself | 19:03 |
| GridCube | knome, can we have time to read the page and give feedback in the week? | 19:03 |
| knome | i think it would be a good idea to have good documentation of everything around if people need to be away | 19:03 |
| ochosi | +1 | 19:03 |
| knome | GridCube, you can send feedback on the mailing list | 19:03 |
| ochosi | also means you don't have to explain things over and over again | 19:04 |
| knome | i just wanted to bring this up now since we have just done everything in the last 6 months | 19:04 |
| ochosi | if you can simply point ppl to a page | 19:04 |
| knome | yep | 19:04 |
| GridCube | i mean, can that be an action item for the team? | 19:04 |
| knome | GridCube, consider it as an always-open action item for the team | 19:04 |
| GridCube | alright | 19:04 |
| knome | if you ever notice the page is missing something, notice people about it | 19:05 |
| slickymaster | sorry for being late guys | 19:05 |
| knome | pleia2, are you atound? | 19:05 |
| GridCube | sure | 19:05 |
| knome | *around | 19:05 |
| knome | hey slickymaster, np | 19:05 |
| * knome mixes up the agenda | 19:05 | |
| knome | #topic Plans for 14.04 SRU's | 19:05 |
| knome | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-14-04-point-1 | 19:05 |
| ochosi | i guess no news on ibus? | 19:07 |
| knome | no | 19:07 |
| ochosi | the lock/suspend issue is being worked on | 19:07 |
| ochosi | but no patch so far | 19:07 |
| knome | again, this is one of the items that i just wanted to bring up | 19:07 |
| knome | if there's anything you think should be in there, or if you think something should be dropped, be in touch with the team | 19:07 |
| knome | currently, i think everything in the blueprint is more or less SRU material | 19:07 |
| ochosi | i guess, honestly i haven't checked all bugreports | 19:08 |
| knome | ok, let's keep on discussing about that and fixing the bugs | 19:09 |
| knome | and move on | 19:09 |
| knome | #topic Cleaning up Launchpad assets | 19:09 |
| knome | https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/+bug/1305585 | 19:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1305585 in Xubuntu Website "Remove unneeded Launchpad assets" [Low,Triaged] | 19:09 |
| knome | anybody see a (technical reason) to keep these assets? | 19:09 |
| knome | can't see the first two mentioned ever used | 19:09 |
| knome | the last one was "used", but doesn't have a technical reason | 19:10 |
| knome | and seeing that kind of page might be just more confusing than helpful for users | 19:10 |
| ochosi | yeah, the daily and buildbot ones are related | 19:11 |
| knome | yep | 19:11 |
| ochosi | i do think we can get rid of both | 19:11 |
| ochosi | will later bring up my proposal to replace that | 19:11 |
| knome | ochosi, ok, good | 19:11 |
| knome | #action knome to contact LP admins to drop ~xubuntu-xfce-daily-builds and ~xubuntu-buildbot | 19:11 |
| meetingology | ACTION: knome to contact LP admins to drop ~xubuntu-xfce-daily-builds and ~xubuntu-buildbot | 19:11 |
| knome | what about the latter? | 19:11 |
| knome | i guess... | 19:12 |
| GridCube | doesnt that recieve bug reports? | 19:12 |
| knome | GridCube, no. | 19:12 |
| knome | GridCube, maybe load the page yourself and see and stop guessing | 19:12 |
| GridCube | then i dont see why keeping it if its not being used | 19:12 |
| GridCube | i did that | 19:12 |
| knome | #action knome to check if the xubuntu-desktop project has any technical reason to be kept and get it removed if not | 19:12 |
| meetingology | ACTION: knome to check if the xubuntu-desktop project has any technical reason to be kept and get it removed if not | 19:12 |
| knome | #topic Create a testing PPA common to -team | 19:13 |
| knome | ochosi, this is yours ;) | 19:13 |
| ochosi | yeah, so since we had a lot of testing going on in the 14.04 cycle through PPAs (and it worked well for us i think), i thought we could set up a team for that | 19:14 |
| ochosi | so that ppl can push packages that ought to get tested during the dev cycle to a common PPA | 19:14 |
| ochosi | to make testers lives easier | 19:14 |
| knome | is there any reason to not link that with ~xubuntu-dev? | 19:14 |
| ochosi | yeah, not all ppl who upload to that ppa might be in that team | 19:14 |
| ochosi | i want to have a rather low hurdle for ppl to contribute to that PPA | 19:15 |
| Unit193 | -qa made sense to me. | 19:15 |
| knome | wouldn't it make sense to have some kind of moderation for packages that are tested by $all_testers? | 19:15 |
| bluesabre-tmp | well, we don't want too low | 19:15 |
| ochosi | and if we channel everything through -dev, it won't be fun because that team is too small | 19:15 |
| knome | i'd like the -dev team to have more members than now | 19:15 |
| ochosi | yes, i'd want a team that needs approval | 19:15 |
| ochosi | yeah, but -dev can also push to all branches | 19:16 |
| ochosi | that's not the same as up-ing packages to PPAs | 19:16 |
| bluesabre-tmp | yeah, but with -dev we can verify things before they get pushed | 19:16 |
| ochosi | bluesabre-tmp: i don't mind, but it increases the workload | 19:16 |
| bluesabre-tmp | yeah | 19:16 |
| elfy | but with -dev then things would take ages to get on the ppa | 19:16 |
| knome | i would vote for -dev, we shouldn't make it too easy to "mess up" with PPA's | 19:16 |
| ochosi | and might get ppl to just push stuff to their private PPAs | 19:16 |
| knome | elfy, not really, currently ochosi and bluesabre-tmp are members | 19:16 |
| bluesabre-tmp | ^ | 19:17 |
| elfy | mmm | 19:17 |
| knome | i'd also suggest at least thinking to add Unit193 and Noskcaj | 19:17 |
| bluesabre-tmp | +2 | 19:17 |
| elfy | well - most of the things that I ended up testing weren't by any of those that have been named | 19:17 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre-tmp: You've been rejected. :( | 19:17 |
| knome | ochosi, do you think there would be people who we'd like/trust to push to the PPA, but don't want to give "all branches" permissions? | 19:18 |
| elfy | so I would STILL end up with a personall PPA | 19:18 |
| slickymaster | brainwash made a few | 19:18 |
| ochosi | knome: brainwash has only been around for one cycle, but he put lots of stuff in his PPA for testing | 19:18 |
| Unit193 | slickymaster: They could be pretty quickly copied. | 19:18 |
| knome | elfy, the point is, those people weren't in that team when we needed them to be | 19:18 |
| bluesabre-tmp | yeah, we can sponsor ppa uploads as needed | 19:18 |
| ochosi | right | 19:18 |
| knome | so we've been bottlenecking on that | 19:18 |
| knome | i don't mind another team, if there is justification for it | 19:19 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: We'd want to make sure to stress to the packagers to not go willie-nillie with it. | 19:19 |
| bluesabre-tmp | +1 | 19:19 |
| knome | i just don't want yet another one just because we have one more task to do | 19:19 |
| ochosi | Unit193: sure, i agree | 19:19 |
| knome | if we can delegate that to one of the current teams, great | 19:19 |
| knome | bluesabre-tmp, not sure what you're +1'ing ;) | 19:19 |
| ochosi | well as long as it's not just bluesabre-tmp and me reviewing the PPA, i'm fine with -dev | 19:19 |
| Unit193 | (Could almost use -team. :P ) | 19:19 |
| knome | Unit193, almost, but not really... | 19:19 |
| ochosi | i just wanted to ensure that things are not slowed down because ppl are busy with stuff | 19:20 |
| elfy | ochosi: which is my worry - at that point do we gain anything | 19:20 |
| amigamagic | https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10844 | 19:20 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10844 in Window Buttons "Visual feedback for grouped windows in the panel (tasklist windows buttons plugin)" [Enhancement,New] | 19:20 |
| knome | how many of the team are around? | 19:20 |
| elfy | amigamagic: not now please | 19:20 |
| knome | amigamagic, can you please take it up after the meeting | 19:20 |
| ochosi | so if Unit193 and Noskcaj get added to -dev and agree to help reviewing and managing that i'm fine with that | 19:20 |
| knome | we might just have quorum | 19:20 |
| knome | (to vote) | 19:20 |
| amigamagic | sorry, I don't know there was a meeting | 19:21 |
| knome | team members, raise your hand | 19:21 |
| knome | o/ | 19:21 |
| ochosi | o/ | 19:21 |
| GridCube | i don't understand lp mechanics so i dont feel qualified to vote | 19:21 |
| elfy | o/ | 19:21 |
| slickymaster | o/ | 19:21 |
| bluesabre-tmp | o/ | 19:21 |
| GridCube | o/ | 19:21 |
| Unit193 | \o | 19:21 |
| knome | one more? | 19:21 |
| jjfrv8-work | o/ | 19:21 |
| ochosi | Unit193: always the funny one, eh? ;) | 19:21 |
| knome | great | 19:22 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Yep, pretty much. | 19:22 |
| ochosi | hehe | 19:22 |
| knome | so, should we vote about this? | 19:22 |
| ochosi | why not | 19:22 |
| knome | (-dev vs. new team) | 19:22 |
| knome | or do people need more information? | 19:22 |
| slickymaster | Ithink so | 19:22 |
| slickymaster | let's vote it | 19:22 |
| ochosi | although, for me it depends on how many ppl are in -dv | 19:22 |
| ochosi | -dev i mean | 19:22 |
| elfy | knome: 2 of the people on -team weren't about for more or less the whole cycle | 19:22 |
| ochosi | and how many want to help with that work | 19:22 |
| knome | elfy, yeah, but we have quorum even with them counting ;) | 19:23 |
| knome | let's make an assumption: | 19:23 |
| Unit193 | Also, just because you technically can push to the branches, doesn't mean you should or will. | 19:23 |
| knome | approximately 2 of the people in -dev are always around | 19:23 |
| knome | #vote Team for official testing PPA's: +1 for -dev, -1 for something else | 19:24 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Team for official testing PPA's: +1 for -dev, -1 for something else | 19:24 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) | 19:24 |
| bluesabre-tmp | (good thing Unit193 does not sleep) | 19:24 |
| knome | team members can vote. | 19:24 |
| GridCube | +0 | 19:24 |
| meetingology | +0 received from GridCube | 19:24 |
| elfy | +1 | 19:24 |
| meetingology | +1 received from elfy | 19:24 |
| knome | if you want, you should be able to private vote. | 19:24 |
| slickymaster | +1 | 19:24 |
| meetingology | +1 received from slickymaster | 19:24 |
| GridCube | again, i dont feel qualified to say one way or the other | 19:24 |
| bluesabre-tmp | +1 | 19:24 |
| meetingology | +1 received from bluesabre-tmp | 19:24 |
| jjfrv8-work | +1 | 19:24 |
| meetingology | +1 received from jjfrv8-work | 19:24 |
| knome | +1 | 19:24 |
| meetingology | +1 received from knome | 19:24 |
| Unit193 | +0 | 19:25 |
| meetingology | +0 received from Unit193 | 19:25 |
| ochosi | +0 | 19:25 |
| meetingology | +0 received from ochosi | 19:25 |
| knome | do we still miss one? | 19:26 |
| knome | no | 19:26 |
| knome | #endvote | 19:26 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Team for official testing PPA's: +1 for -dev, -1 for something else | 19:26 |
| meetingology | Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:3 | 19:26 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 19:26 |
| knome | technically we should carry on the motion | 19:26 |
| knome | but since it's ochosi's work item... | 19:26 |
| ochosi | anyway, i hope this doesnt end up in lots of review-work that ends up not getting done cause it's annoying | 19:26 |
| knome | right | 19:27 |
| ochosi | but let's carry on and hope it goes well :) | 19:27 |
| GridCube | :) | 19:27 |
| elfy | +1 to that | 19:27 |
| knome | #agreed Testing PPA's to be added under ~xubuntu-dev. Reassess if it adds too much workload/creates a bottleneck. | 19:28 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Around after the meeting? | 19:28 |
| ochosi | i'd actually prefer starting with a single ppa | 19:28 |
| ochosi | Unit193: yup | 19:28 |
| knome | ochosi, sure sure, single or multiple PPA's | 19:28 |
| knome | :) | 19:28 |
| ochosi | e.g. "xubuntu+1" | 19:28 |
| knome | that's up for members in -dev to decide ;) | 19:28 |
| ochosi | right | 19:28 |
| knome | #topic Documentation lead change | 19:29 |
| knome | so, here's were we're standing | 19:29 |
| ochosi | +h | 19:29 |
| knome | yes... | 19:29 |
| knome | thanks. | 19:29 |
| knome | as discussed, jjfrv8-work wanted to step down from the doc lead position. that would take effect now. | 19:30 |
| knome | jjfrv8-work, THANKS! | 19:30 |
| Unit193 | :( | 19:30 |
| elfy | jjfrv8-work: thanks for what you have done for us all :) | 19:30 |
| GridCube | :) thanks yes | 19:30 |
| jjfrv8-work | thank you all | 19:30 |
| knome | but also as discussed, we planned to replace him with slickymaster starting from the U cycle, if he was still up for it and the team agreed | 19:31 |
| Unit193 | jjfrv8-work: Indeed, bummer to see you go. | 19:31 |
| ochosi | thanks a lot jjfrv8-work | 19:31 |
| ochosi | jjfrv8-work: very sad to see you go :/ | 19:31 |
| slickymaster | yes jjfrv8-work, thanks for a splendid work | 19:31 |
| knome | i've asked slickymaster earlier today, and he said he'd still be up for it | 19:31 |
| ochosi | weeee | 19:31 |
| knome | let's do a quick vote for that. | 19:31 |
| ochosi | jjfrv8-work: will you still keep contributing? | 19:31 |
| jjfrv8-work | absolutely | 19:31 |
| Unit193 | I think both knome and slickymaster make sense, considering how much both you did with it. | 19:31 |
| ochosi | good | 19:31 |
| knome | #vote Appoint slickymaster as the new documentation lead? (-team members can vote) | 19:32 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Appoint slickymaster as the new documentation lead? (-team members can vote) | 19:32 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) | 19:32 |
| knome | +1 | 19:32 |
| meetingology | +1 received from knome | 19:32 |
| elfy | +1 | 19:32 |
| meetingology | +1 received from elfy | 19:32 |
| ochosi | +1 | 19:32 |
| meetingology | +1 received from ochosi | 19:32 |
| Unit193 | +1 | 19:32 |
| meetingology | +1 received from Unit193 | 19:32 |
| jjfrv8-work | +1 | 19:32 |
| meetingology | +1 received from jjfrv8-work | 19:32 |
| knome | slickymaster, btw, you are free to vote. | 19:32 |
| slickymaster | +0 | 19:32 |
| meetingology | +0 received from slickymaster | 19:32 |
| elfy | :) | 19:32 |
| slickymaster | :P | 19:32 |
| bluesabre-tmp | +1 | 19:32 |
| meetingology | +1 received from bluesabre-tmp | 19:32 |
| ochosi | slickymaster: how modest ;) | 19:32 |
| knome | GridCube, poke | 19:33 |
| GridCube | +1 | 19:33 |
| meetingology | +1 received from GridCube | 19:33 |
| knome | #endvote | 19:33 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Appoint slickymaster as the new documentation lead? (-team members can vote) | 19:33 |
| meetingology | Votes for:7 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 | 19:33 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 19:33 |
| ochosi | congrats slickymaster | 19:33 |
| slickymaster | ochosi: modest or fearful? | 19:33 |
| ochosi | :> | 19:33 |
| elfy | fearful :p | 19:33 |
| knome | #info Taking effect immediately, David Pires (slickymaster) is the new Xubuntu documentation lead. | 19:33 |
| knome | #action knome to work with appropriate (past) leaders to update the Leaders wikipage today | 19:34 |
| meetingology | ACTION: knome to work with appropriate (past) leaders to update the Leaders wikipage today | 19:34 |
| knome | pleia2, still not around? | 19:34 |
| knome | ok, let's move on | 19:35 |
| knome | #topic Using the project money (gathered from Linux Identity articles) | 19:35 |
| knome | there was discussing about this, but nothing has actually happened | 19:35 |
| knome | i'm proposing the following: | 19:35 |
| knome | pleia2 printed some "xp to xubuntu" flyers recently | 19:36 |
| knome | let's cover her printing costs | 19:36 |
| GridCube | sure | 19:36 |
| ochosi | +1 | 19:36 |
| elfy | agreed | 19:36 |
| slickymaster | +1 | 19:36 |
| knome | #vote Cover pleia2's printing costs? (-team can vote) | 19:36 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Cover pleia2's printing costs? (-team can vote) | 19:36 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) | 19:36 |
| knome | +1 | 19:36 |
| meetingology | +1 received from knome | 19:36 |
| elfy | +1 | 19:36 |
| meetingology | +1 received from elfy | 19:36 |
| jjfrv8-work | +1 | 19:36 |
| meetingology | +1 received from jjfrv8-work | 19:36 |
| ochosi | +1 | 19:36 |
| meetingology | +1 received from ochosi | 19:36 |
| GridCube | +1 | 19:36 |
| meetingology | +1 received from GridCube | 19:36 |
| knome | (let's do it the official way..) | 19:36 |
| slickymaster | +1 | 19:37 |
| meetingology | +1 received from slickymaster | 19:37 |
| knome | bluesabre-tmp, Unit193 | 19:37 |
| knome | want to vote? :P | 19:37 |
| bluesabre-tmp | +1 | 19:37 |
| meetingology | +1 received from bluesabre-tmp | 19:37 |
| knome | #endvote | 19:38 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Cover pleia2's printing costs? (-team can vote) | 19:38 |
| meetingology | Votes for:7 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 | 19:38 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 19:38 |
| slickymaster | Unit193: finally fell asleep | 19:38 |
| bluesabre-tmp | :D | 19:38 |
| Unit193 | Hah. | 19:38 |
| GridCube | and you went and waked him up | 19:38 |
| knome | #action pleia2 to follow up with the exact amount with knome, who shall paypal the money to her | 19:38 |
| meetingology | ACTION: pleia2 to follow up with the exact amount with knome, who shall paypal the money to her | 19:38 |
| knome | we will still have stuff left | 19:38 |
| knome | is there anything else anybody thinks we should use it for? | 19:39 |
| GridCube | o/ | 19:39 |
| knome | GridCube, yes? | 19:39 |
| GridCube | my always recurring topic | 19:39 |
| Unit193 | He meant pay him. | 19:39 |
| knome | heh. | 19:39 |
| ochosi | :) | 19:39 |
| GridCube | we dont have a wallaper of the week thing done yet | 19:39 |
| GridCube | or desktop of the week rather | 19:39 |
| knome | GridCube, err, do we need money for that? | 19:39 |
| GridCube | no | 19:39 |
| GridCube | i waht | 19:40 |
| GridCube | XD sorry | 19:40 |
| knome | then focus! ;) | 19:40 |
| Unit193 | knome: To pay you off? | 19:40 |
| knome | hah. | 19:40 |
| GridCube | i missread | 19:40 |
| knome | since we've had it for $quite_long, i would propose the following... | 19:40 |
| knome | pay elfy for his headset he bought to be able to take part in vUDS | 19:40 |
| GridCube | :) | 19:40 |
| Unit193 | Xfce take donations? | 19:40 |
| knome | Unit193, i guess, but what's the point, they aren't very active? :| | 19:41 |
| elfy | really really don't want that - thanks though :) | 19:41 |
| knome | ok, then let's not vote | 19:41 |
| knome | i was just thinking... :) | 19:41 |
| elfy | thanks for the thought :) | 19:41 |
| knome | i can keep the money on hold still, but i'd rather get it moving sooner or later | 19:41 |
| bluesabre-tmp | any server costs that xubuntu eats? | 19:41 |
| ochosi | not really | 19:41 |
| Unit193 | knome: Still wouldn't be here without them, even though I'd like them to be active I'm thankful that they're still there. | 19:41 |
| ochosi | xfce still can't accept donations i think | 19:41 |
| ochosi | but i can work on that | 19:41 |
| knome | bluesabre-tmp, shimmer is hosted on xfce | 19:41 |
| knome | bluesabre-tmp, but that's not exactly xubuntu | 19:42 |
| knome | and i doubt it adds to their costs.. | 19:42 |
| ochosi | not really, i think xfce is mostly hosted gratuitiosly | 19:42 |
| knome | is anybody linked with loco teams that could do something cool xubuntu-related? | 19:42 |
| pleia2 | thanks guys | 19:42 |
| elfy | hi pleia2 | 19:42 |
| bluesabre-tmp | skellat | 19:42 |
| pleia2 | sorry, was at an appointment | 19:42 |
| knome | pleia2, PM me the amount and your paypal addy and i'll get it done today | 19:43 |
| Unit193 | knome: OLF is coming up, yes. | 19:43 |
| knome | do we want a big xubuntu banner? | 19:43 |
| ochosi | knome: what about bug bounty? | 19:43 |
| knome | is that useful, or do we always go under ubuntu anyway? | 19:43 |
| knome | ochosi, for what bug? :) | 19:44 |
| ochosi | the lid suspend bug? | 19:44 |
| ochosi | any bug that is pressing | 19:44 |
| ochosi | or even features | 19:44 |
| ochosi | it has become quite popular recently in foss projects | 19:44 |
| ochosi | and i think it works as a motivation | 19:44 |
| ochosi | and as a reward other than the vocal praise for ppl who actually do stuff | 19:44 |
| knome | i'm fine with that | 19:44 |
| ochosi | they can still decide to donate the money back | 19:44 |
| ochosi | or to another bug | 19:44 |
| knome | if there isn't anything that needs "covering" now, let's hold the money | 19:45 |
| ochosi | we don't have to spend it all on one bug | 19:45 |
| knome | ideas always welcome | 19:45 |
| ochosi | ok | 19:45 |
| knome | #topic Review and discuss team reporting | 19:45 |
| knome | pleia2! :) | 19:45 |
| pleia2 | oh yes | 19:46 |
| pleia2 | so I've really just been copying the action items from meetings into our team reports | 19:46 |
| pleia2 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/TeamReports | 19:46 |
| pleia2 | March is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/TeamReports/14/March | 19:46 |
| ochosi | pleia2: thanks, a lot better than having to write them ;) | 19:46 |
| pleia2 | indeed! | 19:47 |
| knome | yes, that's an improvement | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | I think it's going ok :) | 19:47 |
| knome | now if #done only worked... | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | heh, right | 19:47 |
| knome | well, let's use it | 19:48 |
| knome | actually not | 19:48 |
| pleia2 | anyway, I think we're ok continuing this for the time being, unless anyone else wants to do more work on reports | 19:49 |
| knome | but money is sent to pleia2, and $0.40 fee covered by the xubuntu team ;) | 19:49 |
| elfy | :) | 19:49 |
| ochosi | pleia2: +1 | 19:49 |
| pleia2 | thanks | 19:49 |
| ochosi | thanks for doing that | 19:49 |
| knome | yeah, thanks | 19:49 |
| knome | we should probably mention it in the processes page that the one adding the meeting minutes should also update the team updates page. | 19:50 |
| knome | and if it's the first meeting of the month, cycle the monthly pages | 19:50 |
| knome | #topic Use a common area for detailed discussions notes such as Trello | 19:50 |
| knome | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/U/Trello%20Communication | 19:51 |
| knome | elfy, | 19:51 |
| Unit193 | I tended to ignore it. :/ | 19:51 |
| knome | Unit193, wait, when did you add the meeting minutes? ;) | 19:51 |
| slickymaster | I felt it useful | 19:51 |
| * GridCube leaves | 19:51 | |
| pleia2 | if it's valuable to folks, I think trello is lovely to use, but I have my own todo lists so "update trello" tends to land there :) | 19:52 |
| elfy | ok - so I was just thinking about us communicating a bit better - I spent a lot of time last cycle - going over the same ground - I really don't want to do that again | 19:52 |
| knome | besides, that link is bogus | 19:52 |
| slickymaster | and elfy and I did use it quite a lot in -qa | 19:52 |
| ochosi | yeah, trello is very good to use | 19:52 |
| elfy | and it worked for those of -qa that did use it | 19:52 |
| bluesabre-tmp | elfy, you should harrass everyone with !team | 19:52 |
| bluesabre-tmp | :D | 19:52 |
| knome | elfy, is it about communication about "what do we need to do (generally)" ? | 19:52 |
| elfy | why? | 19:52 |
| knome | elfy, or specific action items people need to take? | 19:53 |
| ochosi | even for managing progress, i'd actually prefer it to the clunky blueprints on launchpad (if it were integrated in launchpad) | 19:53 |
| knome | the positive side to LP is the good status page. | 19:53 |
| elfy | it's more general - there's not anywhere other than blueprints to actually write anything - and that would soon be a nightmare | 19:53 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Nah, if it were on LP, it'd be far slower. | 19:54 |
| knome | elfy, want to expand the spec for next week? | 19:54 |
| ochosi | Unit193: hehe, yeah, there we go :p | 19:54 |
| knome | elfy, eg. briefly cover what we would use it for, and maybe some action screenshots | 19:54 |
| elfy | ok | 19:54 |
| knome | cheers | 19:54 |
| ochosi | cool | 19:54 |
| elfy | but if we don't do that - we do need to do something | 19:55 |
| knome | #action elfy to extend the Trello spec, discussion to follow | 19:55 |
| meetingology | ACTION: elfy to extend the Trello spec, discussion to follow | 19:55 |
| knome | elfy, yep, anything that works for the team :) | 19:55 |
| ochosi | trellolo | 19:55 |
| knome | okay, and now the item you have all been waiting for | 19:55 |
| knome | #topic Project future: New project lead, council, or something else? | 19:55 |
| ochosi | incecream? | 19:55 |
| knome | wb Unit193 ;) | 19:55 |
| ochosi | Unit193: feeling so nervous..? | 19:56 |
| elfy | too late - we voted Unit193 in :p | 19:56 |
| knome | you have just voted the next XPL | 19:56 |
| knome | yep | 19:56 |
| knome | too bad :| | 19:56 |
| knome | joking aside... | 19:56 |
| pleia2 | lol | 19:56 |
| knome | i think we should organize a call for XPL nominations | 19:56 |
| slickymaster | the decison was taken long ago in the backstages | 19:56 |
| pleia2 | https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team/+members | 19:56 |
| knome | there's a specific reason why i say this... | 19:57 |
| elfy | knome: and how long will we wait for that | 19:57 |
| knome | i'll do the call at latest on monday | 19:57 |
| pleia2 | now that our team is more than 4 people, I think we could actually support a small council if we wanted to go that route | 19:57 |
| knome | then some time to gather nominations | 19:57 |
| * knome refrains from disclosing the reason | 19:57 | |
| knome | ...but other people can. | 19:57 |
| * elfy thinks we should have called earlier | 19:57 | |
| knome | elfy, would have been madness to do that during the release | 19:58 |
| ochosi | +1 | 19:58 |
| knome | it has always gone like this | 19:58 |
| ochosi | elfy: knome is still here ;) | 19:58 |
| elfy | yea - I know that :) | 19:58 |
| ochosi | so it's his problem if there's no new xpl, he'll just have to stay :D | 19:58 |
| pleia2 | time machines ftw | 19:58 |
| knome | hah | 19:58 |
| knome | well, if no nominations are sent... | 19:58 |
| knome | then we will have to investigate other options | 19:59 |
| * pleia2 nods | 19:59 | |
| ochosi | after loooong consideration and discussions... | 19:59 |
| knome | but as pleia2 said... yes, we could sustain a council | 19:59 |
| ochosi | i've started to consider applying for the terrible terrible burden that knome has been carrying for us | 19:59 |
| knome | :) | 20:00 |
| pleia2 | :D | 20:00 |
| Unit193 | Well that could solve that. | 20:00 |
| ochosi | there were a few subsequent discussions with bluesabre | 20:00 |
| ochosi | (who unfortunately left the meeting as it seems) | 20:00 |
| ochosi | so anyway, we can talk about that when he's around again i guess | 20:01 |
| knome | yeah | 20:01 |
| knome | anyway... i would very much like to see a "single" XPL instead of council | 20:01 |
| knome | hey bluesabre-tmp! | 20:01 |
| ochosi | oh, speak of the devil | 20:01 |
| elfy | I would prefer to see a single one as well if we can | 20:01 |
| pleia2 | knome: me too! | 20:02 |
| knome | i would also say that we need to lessen the burden | 20:02 |
| ochosi | yes, ok, so now that bluesabre-tmp is around again | 20:02 |
| bluesabre-tmp | ok, what did I miss? | 20:02 |
| knome | if at all possible | 20:02 |
| knome | bluesabre-tmp, you're the new XPL | 20:02 |
| knome | bluesabre-tmp, just voted on that | 20:02 |
| pleia2 | haha | 20:02 |
| ochosi | bluesabre-tmp: i can pastebin you the backlog | 20:02 |
| bluesabre-tmp | O.o | 20:02 |
| ochosi | or you can check the online-log | 20:02 |
| slickymaster | ochosi propsed you and we all agreed | 20:02 |
| bluesabre-tmp | ochosi: sure, trying to navigate as little as possible since I'm testhering on my phone | 20:03 |
| slickymaster | *proposed | 20:03 |
| pleia2 | seriously though, knome will do call for nominations by monday | 20:04 |
| elfy | knome: so how will we lessen the burden? | 20:04 |
| knome | pasted to bluesabre-tmp's PM | 20:04 |
| knome | so basically, | 20:04 |
| knome | well that's one of the things to do imo ^ | 20:04 |
| knome | we need to rethink "who" is it who does all the heavy lifting | 20:04 |
| knome | to me, it feels natural that the -release team had a bit more responsbility, but also power | 20:04 |
| knome | yes, i will. | 20:04 |
| knome | release team could take some of the paperwork | 20:04 |
| knome | that is, filing exception bugs | 20:04 |
| knome | i've been cooperating a lot in -release, and have been happy to see elfy do that as well | 20:05 |
| elfy | they're not too bad in there ;) | 20:06 |
| bluesabre-tmp | :) | 20:06 |
| knome | maybe there could be team members who would make sure the blueprints are up-to-date | 20:06 |
| knome | or whatever method we are using | 20:06 |
| elfy | can't team leads do their blueprints? | 20:06 |
| knome | ideally, all people would manage their own work items | 20:06 |
| pleia2 | yeah, I could do a much better job of my blueprints | 20:06 |
| knome | sure, that works as well if it... works | 20:06 |
| ochosi | yeah, i think it's hard to formalize that process | 20:06 |
| ochosi | i mean we can say, we create a subset of ppl who handle blueprints | 20:07 |
| knome | ochosi, since you have been pondering this, is there something else you are afraid of? | 20:07 |
| elfy | well I'm happy enough to do qa ones | 20:07 |
| knome | i don't think it's a bad idea that everybody *can* | 20:07 |
| ochosi | after thinking more about it, not that much | 20:07 |
| ochosi | there's just stuff that you've been doing that i haven't done often (like chairing meetings) | 20:07 |
| knome | if a work item is assigned to [user], user should make sure it's updated | 20:07 |
| ochosi | and you're irc-ier than me | 20:07 |
| knome | for chairing meetings, i'd really love to see a rotating chair or something | 20:08 |
| ochosi | yeah... | 20:08 |
| ochosi | would be cool | 20:08 |
| * elfy hates driving the bot | 20:08 | |
| ochosi | :) | 20:08 |
| knome | i guess nobody likes it | 20:08 |
| ochosi | i assume that too | 20:08 |
| elfy | it drives on the wrong side of the road :p | 20:08 |
| bluesabre-tmp | I'm usually not able to make it to these mettings | 20:08 |
| bluesabre-tmp | *meetings | 20:08 |
| knome | bluesabre-tmp, then we should reschedule | 20:09 |
| Unit193 | I tend to miss the beginning. | 20:09 |
| knome | i've no problem with varying meeting times | 20:09 |
| knome | we can even let the chair mostly decide the time. | 20:09 |
| ochosi | yeah | 20:09 |
| ochosi | we can have them cycle around a bit | 20:09 |
| knome | well take all team leaders, or team members | 20:09 |
| ochosi | to make sure all team members can attend once a month at least | 20:09 |
| bluesabre-tmp | hm, this sounds like a good idea | 20:09 |
| knome | cycle through them evenly | 20:09 |
| knome | when it's your turn, schedule how you wish | 20:09 |
| knome | and others will, or won't, be available | 20:10 |
| elfy | mmm not sure about that | 20:10 |
| ochosi | makes chairing more comfortable | 20:10 |
| knome | it's not a huge issue that everybody is not being able to make it | 20:10 |
| knome | we have the meeting minutes | 20:10 |
| knome | and we have the mailing list | 20:10 |
| slickymaster | is there any channel where one could do some sort of testdrives knome? | 20:10 |
| ochosi | yeah, and ppl are around anyway | 20:10 |
| knome | slickymaster, #meetingology | 20:10 |
| slickymaster | ok | 20:10 |
| knome | elfy, express your concerns :) | 20:10 |
| * elfy test drives the bot in FC meetings sometimes | 20:11 | |
| elfy | hang on - just getting the words right :) | 20:11 |
| elfy | I'd worry about meetings at that point end up being empty - nothing would get done | 20:11 |
| elfy | in time | 20:12 |
| knome | well, | 20:12 |
| knome | it'd be good practice to make sure at least somebody is able to make it ;) | 20:12 |
| elfy | how about a straw poll with a doodle poll of general times | 20:12 |
| knome | we've done that too many times IMO | 20:12 |
| knome | any time always seems to be perfect | 20:12 |
| knome | then when we start running the meetings at that time, people can't come | 20:12 |
| knome | which is one of the reason why i think a "moving target" could work just as well... | 20:13 |
| ochosi | +1 | 20:13 |
| elfy | second thought - a -team mailing list - at least then we'd be able to have targetted discussions | 20:13 |
| bluesabre-tmp | +1 | 20:13 |
| knome | elfy, i could +1 that | 20:13 |
| bluesabre-tmp | I like that idea | 20:13 |
| knome | would *only* team members be allowed to send? | 20:13 |
| elfy | yep | 20:13 |
| elfy | like a 'council' list | 20:14 |
| knome | because if not, soon it would become xubuntu-dev-team-please-include-libreoffice | 20:14 |
| ochosi | huhu | 20:14 |
| elfy | exactly | 20:14 |
| bluesabre-tmp | hah | 20:14 |
| knome | what do others think? | 20:14 |
| knome | pleia2, i know you're opposed to redundant infrastructure, so i want your opinion | 20:14 |
| elfy | then at that point - we'd have 'votes' on issues that can be taken to meetings whatever time they are | 20:14 |
| ochosi | we can give it a try | 20:14 |
| elfy | or | 20:15 |
| knome | #action knome to send a call for new XPL's to the -devel mailing list | 20:15 |
| meetingology | ACTION: knome to send a call for new XPL's to the -devel mailing list | 20:15 |
| knome | elfy, yeah? | 20:16 |
| elfy | if we do go to something like trello - we could make that private | 20:16 |
| knome | well, that's a bit meh | 20:16 |
| knome | or maybe not | 20:16 |
| bluesabre-tmp | trello does do emails notifications | 20:16 |
| elfy | yea | 20:16 |
| knome | bluesabre-tmp, yeah, but is it about all changes? | 20:16 |
| knome | i don't want dumb diffs :( | 20:16 |
| knome | i want well-written, thought out mails | 20:17 |
| bluesabre-tmp | it's "hey, you've missed 4 updates!" | 20:17 |
| elfy | knome: that | 20:17 |
| slickymaster | theoretically elfy's idea has potential | 20:17 |
| bluesabre-tmp | I know because ochosi keep updating a trello that I should be contributing to | 20:17 |
| knome | bluesabre-tmp, yeah, that's just email "crap" | 20:17 |
| knome | even if it was about meaningful things | 20:17 |
| elfy | I'd be inclined to m/l rather than trello for team stuff though | 20:17 |
| knome | another idea is | 20:17 |
| knome | add some moderators and take out the whip at -devel mailing list | 20:18 |
| * Unit193 would be a bad choice. | 20:18 | |
| elfy | don't like that idea | 20:18 |
| knome | we can make people's mails autoadded to moderation queue by email address | 20:18 |
| knome | i think we need to do $something for the -devel list nonetheless | 20:18 |
| knome | especially if we create a -team mailing list | 20:18 |
| knome | because at that point, -devel could very easily turn into -feature-requests | 20:19 |
| knome | i'm still waiting for any input from pleia2 :) | 20:19 |
| pleia2 | sorry | 20:19 |
| knome | np | 20:19 |
| elfy | not really - most of the stuff that goes to -devel is general | 20:19 |
| elfy | ly what it should be - call's etc | 20:20 |
| knome | elfy, most of the stuff there now is stuff that could be in -users | 20:20 |
| pleia2 | it's not like -devel is overwhelming | 20:20 |
| slickymaster | yes, it could perfectley land on xubuntu mailing list | 20:20 |
| knome | well, most of the stuff by non-team-members.. | 20:20 |
| elfy | since release I'd agree | 20:20 |
| knome | do we want to design a tag for team communication? | 20:21 |
| knome | pleia2, ^ | 20:21 |
| elfy | pleia2: what we were discussing was a new private m/l for -team | 20:21 |
| pleia2 | elfy: yeah | 20:21 |
| knome | i know anybody can use that, but... | 20:21 |
| knome | might be possible to autosend to moderation queue if it's not from team member emails | 20:21 |
| pleia2 | so launchpad makes it very easy for us to create a private list there | 20:21 |
| elfy | knome: well - I did for a while mail the list with [TEAM] in the subject | 20:21 |
| knome | pleia2, launchpad lists are meh. | 20:22 |
| ochosi | holy crap, there is a scorpion in our appartment (no kidding!) | 20:22 |
| elfy | got a couple of replies | 20:22 |
| ochosi | bbabl | 20:22 |
| elfy | good lord | 20:22 |
| pleia2 | knome: I don't know that we'd need it for a lot anyway :) mostly we just talk here tbh | 20:22 |
| knome | pleia2, i'd just make IS create another | 20:22 |
| bluesabre-tmp | ochosi is not going to make it | 20:22 |
| knome | well, related to this | 20:22 |
| knome | it was brought up by lionel (mrpouit) that it's getting harder and harder for him to follow/help with development since he's now a lot less in IRC | 20:22 |
| Unit193 | Uhh. I'm still stuck at where he said "scorpion"... | 20:22 |
| knome | so i think we are being (partly unconsciously) in exclusive | 20:23 |
| knome | -in | 20:23 |
| knome | pleia2, send meeting minutes there? | 20:24 |
| knome | pleia2, run votes there | 20:24 |
| pleia2 | sure | 20:24 |
| knome | let's do a quick, non-finally-decisive vote | 20:24 |
| elfy | knome: | 20:24 |
| Logan_ | yes hello is this a meeting thing | 20:24 |
| knome | to get a general idea what people think | 20:25 |
| knome | Logan_, yes, very much | 20:25 |
| knome | elfy, | 20:25 |
| elfy | if we went to -team m/l we could have -release team as the moderators | 20:25 |
| bluesabre-tmp | hey Logan_ :) | 20:25 |
| bluesabre-tmp | oh yeah, knome, my -release is about to expire, and it said to message you | 20:25 |
| elfy | or something - so it's not just another XPL task | 20:25 |
| knome | elfy, yes, though we wouldn't need much | 20:25 |
| elfy | bluesabre-tmp: he knows :) | 20:25 |
| knome | bluesabre-tmp, yep, just a sec | 20:25 |
| bluesabre-tmp | :) | 20:26 |
| elfy | knome: nope - just when people move in and out of -team | 20:26 |
| elfy | but yea a quick vote wfm | 20:26 |
| knome | #vote Create xubuntu-team mailing list or not? (non-final voting, just gathering general thoughts) | 20:26 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Create xubuntu-team mailing list or not? (non-final voting, just gathering general thoughts) | 20:26 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) | 20:26 |
| knome | +1 | 20:26 |
| meetingology | +1 received from knome | 20:26 |
| elfy | +1 | 20:26 |
| meetingology | +1 received from elfy | 20:26 |
| bluesabre-tmp | +1 | 20:26 |
| meetingology | +1 received from bluesabre-tmp | 20:26 |
| slickymaster | +1 | 20:27 |
| meetingology | +1 received from slickymaster | 20:27 |
| pleia2 | +0 | 20:27 |
| meetingology | +0 received from pleia2 | 20:27 |
| knome | bluesabre-tmp, elfy: i've extended you for a month in -release, until we get a new XPL/council/something | 20:28 |
| bluesabre-tmp | knome: thanks | 20:28 |
| knome | bluesabre-tmp, elfy: let's reassess the situation at that point | 20:28 |
| elfy | ok - ta | 20:28 |
| knome | other team members? | 20:28 |
| knome | #action knome to send a mail about creating a xubuntu-team mailing list | 20:29 |
| meetingology | ACTION: knome to send a mail about creating a xubuntu-team mailing list | 20:29 |
| knome | #endvote | 20:29 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Create xubuntu-team mailing list or not? (non-final voting, just gathering general thoughts) | 20:29 |
| meetingology | Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 | 20:29 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 20:29 |
| knome | ok, finally.. | 20:29 |
| knome | #subtopic Team leaders | 20:29 |
| knome | ochosi, pleia2, elfy: you fine to continue with your leader hats? :) | 20:29 |
| elfy | yep | 20:30 |
| * knome bows to elfy | 20:30 | |
| pleia2 | sure | 20:30 |
| elfy | as long as people are ok with it of course | 20:30 |
| * knome bows to pleia2 | 20:30 | |
| pleia2 | knome: we should chat re: website at some point though, if you are no xpl, you may want that hat :) | 20:30 |
| knome | i don't think we are generally voting about (non-project) team leads | 20:30 |
| knome | pleia2, we can | 20:30 |
| knome | i don't want anything in 6 months | 20:30 |
| knome | but i'm by tentatively open for stuff after that | 20:31 |
| bluesabre-tmp | I'd be willing to apply for technical lead, not sure if others are currently interested | 20:31 |
| knome | mhm, | 20:31 |
| knome | i would approve that direction | 20:32 |
| knome | having a technical lead that's around would also help with the XPL burden | 20:32 |
| * pleia2 nods | 20:33 | |
| Unit193 | bluesabre-tmp: Get uploader rights. ;) | 20:33 |
| knome | i'm all open for other nomiations as well, but i'd say it's a big pro if you are actually around. | 20:33 |
| bluesabre-tmp | Unit193: yeah, thats the next step | 20:33 |
| knome | #action New XPL/council to run a call for a new technical lead | 20:34 |
| meetingology | ACTION: New XPL/council to run a call for a new technical lead | 20:34 |
| knome | hmpf. | 20:34 |
| knome | #undo | 20:34 |
| meetingology | Removing item from minutes: ACTION | 20:34 |
| knome | #action new-xpl: New XPL/council to run a call for a new technical lead | 20:34 |
| meetingology | ACTION: new-xpl: New XPL/council to run a call for a new technical lead | 20:34 |
| knome | #nick new-xpl | 20:34 |
| knome | #topic Other issues | 20:35 |
| knome | anything else? | 20:35 |
| knome | yeah, i think we are done and all exhausted :) | 20:35 |
| knome | #topic Next meeting | 20:36 |
| elfy | now't from me for sure | 20:36 |
| bluesabre-tmp | in 5 minutes | 20:36 |
| bluesabre-tmp | :> | 20:36 |
| knome | hah | 20:36 |
| pleia2 | I'm gone next week | 20:36 |
| knome | i might be away @may 1 too | 20:36 |
| knome | is *monday* a bad day for people? | 20:36 |
| knome | that is, may 5 | 20:37 |
| slickymaster | I'll be away between april 30th and may 5th | 20:37 |
| elfy | fine for me | 20:37 |
| knome | slickymaster, including 5, or not? | 20:37 |
| bluesabre-tmp | good for e | 20:37 |
| pleia2 | I'm gone then too :) | 20:37 |
| bluesabre-tmp | cinco de mayo | 20:37 |
| slickymaster | excluding knome | 20:37 |
| knome | mhm | 20:37 |
| knome | well what about tuseday may 6? | 20:37 |
| slickymaster | workday the 5th | 20:37 |
| knome | pleia2, better? :P | 20:37 |
| pleia2 | nope | 20:38 |
| pleia2 | I'm back on wednesday :D | 20:38 |
| knome | hah | 20:38 |
| knome | let's do email stuff then | 20:38 |
| knome | and have a meeting on thursday | 20:38 |
| knome | the regular time | 20:38 |
| pleia2 | k | 20:38 |
| knome | #info Next meeting: May 8, 19 UTC | 20:39 |
| knome | let's hope we have XPL submission mostly in by that | 20:39 |
| knome | can not quite be, because need 2 weeks | 20:39 |
| knome | (iirc) | 20:39 |
| knome | anyway, thanks! | 20:39 |
| knome | #endmeeting | 20:39 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Thu Apr 24 20:39:38 2014 UTC. | 20:39 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-04-24-19.00.moin.txt | 20:39 |
| knome | bbl | 20:39 |
| elfy | thanks knome | 20:39 |
| pleia2 | thanks knome | 20:39 |
| bluesabre-tmp | thanks knome | 20:39 |
| Unit193 | Well if the scorpion didn't get him... | 20:39 |
| bluesabre-tmp | later everyone | 20:39 |
| * knome encore-bows | 20:39 | |
| knome | Unit193, :| | 20:39 |
| slickymaster | thanks knome | 20:39 |
| knome | --> | 20:39 |
| slickymaster | finally dinner | 20:40 |
| slickymaster | bbl -> | 20:40 |
| ochosi | re | 20:44 |
| elfy | ochosi: safely back I hope :) | 20:44 |
| ochosi | yeah, caught the scorpio and escorted him out | 20:44 |
| ochosi | gf is still in a bit of a shock | 20:45 |
| elfy | I bet :) | 20:45 |
| ochosi | but we can laugh again already | 20:45 |
| elfy | ha ha ha | 20:45 |
| ochosi | will post a photo later | 20:46 |
| knome | phew, the future of the project is safe again | 20:46 |
| elfy | :) | 20:46 |
| pleia2 | lol | 20:47 |
| pleia2 | xubuntu has a "bitten by a scorpion" factor of 1 :\ | 20:47 |
| ochosi | :} | 20:48 |
| ochosi | actually he was tiny, about 3-4cm long | 20:48 |
| ochosi | but still, if you've never seen one... | 20:48 |
| ochosi | in your bathroom! | 20:48 |
| pleia2 | I hear the smaller ones more dangerous :) | 20:48 |
| ochosi | will take this to #xubuntu-scorpions now | 20:49 |
| ochosi | (a channel for music and animal lovers) | 20:49 |
| pleia2 | ++ | 20:49 |
| knome | lol | 20:49 |
| knome | was thinking about that | 20:49 |
| knome | meeting minutes are up | 20:50 |
| ochosi | ty | 20:50 |
| knome | slickymaster, around? | 21:37 |
| knome | Xubuntu/Leaders updated | 21:40 |
| knome | ochosi, your TZ as well | 21:40 |
| ochosi | knome: the TZ is the same though | 21:42 |
| knome | yeah ;) | 21:42 |
| ochosi | and it'll change again in less time than lies behind us when it wasn't correct :) | 21:42 |
| knome | maybe we should just stick to UTC+bleh timezones. | 21:43 |
| knome | which would be more useful anyway | 21:43 |
| ochosi | yeah | 21:43 |
| knome | feel free to do that change if you please | 21:43 |
| slickymaster | knome, I am now | 21:47 |
| knome | slickymaster, you're listed in Xubunut/Leaders now. | 21:48 |
| slickymaster | ok knome, thanks | 21:58 |
| knome | "it's out": https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-April/010087.html | 22:15 |
| ochosi | updated leaders/tz | 22:20 |
| ochosi | is that what you had in mind, knome ^ ? | 22:21 |
| knome | that looks good | 22:22 |
| knome | though DST is meh | 22:22 |
| knome | ;) | 22:22 |
| knome | just saying... | 22:22 |
| ochosi | yeah, not really my fault :) | 22:22 |
| knome | yep | 22:23 |
| ochosi | am i the only one who thinks it's a bit odd that previous leaders start from oldest to newest? | 22:25 |
| knome | you can switch that if you wish | 22:25 |
| knome | i don't think it matters much | 22:25 |
| ochosi | yeah, probably not | 22:25 |
| ochosi | just took me a while to figure out what the sorting was | 22:25 |
| knome | more mail @ -devel | 22:27 |
| knome | ochosi, re: sort order, i think it made most sense if it was ordered by "from" time | 22:29 |
| knome | but when did lionel begin his tech lead journey? | 22:29 |
| ochosi | yeah, well, let's just leave it for now | 22:33 |
| ochosi | it really isn't as important, as you correctly said | 22:33 |
| ochosi | this is actually a bit sucky: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1306917 | 22:49 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1306917 in light-locker-settings (Ubuntu) "light-locker: screen always automatically locked" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 22:49 |
| ochosi | seems it's just a small fluke in one of our config files though | 22:49 |
| ochosi | or: lls not reading it correctly | 22:50 |
| brainwash_ | ochosi: so you want to reward people for fixing the annoying post release bugs instead of fixing them yourself? :D | 22:59 |
| ochosi | brainwash_: could be a nice way of getting more/new ppl involved | 22:59 |
| brainwash_ | we could use crypto currency for this purpose | 22:59 |
| knome | >__< | 22:59 |
| ochosi | nobody can ever do/fix everything themselves | 22:59 |
| knome | i'll disapprove that. | 22:59 |
| brainwash_ | you don't like dogecoin and co? :( | 23:00 |
| knome | if they didn't drag so many people who are completely lost, they could be tolerable | 23:01 |
| brainwash_ | a nice overview with different stats about current bugs could help, something like a top list to encourage users to fix the most annoying bugs | 23:08 |
| ochosi | anyway, this doesn't have to be restricted to bugs, it can be about features too | 23:11 |
| brainwash_ | yes | 23:11 |
| brainwash_ | this would emphasize the value of xubuntu being a community project | 23:12 |
| knome | i'm not sure how the fact that we pay to contributors, in a way or another, emphasizes the community aspect? | 23:14 |
| brainwash_ | the nice overview will | 23:15 |
| knome | right... | 23:16 |
| knome | don't we have those on a blueprint already? | 23:16 |
| brainwash_ | paying people won't work anyway | 23:16 |
| brainwash_ | blueprints are ugly | 23:17 |
| brainwash_ | mmh, paying people could work nicely... if paid by the community | 23:19 |
| brainwash_ | like donating | 23:19 |
| brainwash_ | now we only need to pay someone to implement and maintain such a system :) | 23:21 |
| ochosi | i think that we can look to elementary and see how they handle it | 23:22 |
| knome | it shouldn't be too hard to set that up, and i would like if it pulled the core data from LP | 23:23 |
| ochosi | yeah | 23:29 |
| knome | again, as with other stuff, if people think it's useful... | 23:30 |
| knome | ...i can have a look at it | 23:30 |
| amigamagic | https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10846 | 23:59 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10846 in Window Buttons "Grouped icons sometimes are wrongly rendered as a mini-icon" [Minor,New] | 23:59 |
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