[08:55] <jhenke> good morning
[16:49] <jhenke> since the archive for utopic exists now, will there be daily images starting tomorrow?
[16:50] <elfy> not yet afaik jhenke 
[16:54] <elfy> jhenke: atm all upgrading trusty does is install a couple of packages and call it utopic
[16:58] <slickymasterWork> elfy, jhenke, basically it just upgrades the base-files and distro-info-data packages
[16:58] <elfy> yea I know :)
[16:58] <elfy> I tried last night at 10pm and had to do it this morning instead :p
[17:44] <RFleming> is there a download for utopic?
[17:46] <ochosi> RFleming: not yet
[17:47] <RFleming> was going to say
[17:47] <RFleming> :)
[18:51] <bluesabre-tmp> \o
[18:51] <Unit193> Howdy.
[18:52] <bluesabre-tmp> hey Unit193
[18:55] <ali1234> ochosi : bug 1311685
[18:55] <ali1234> this is really weird ^
[18:56] <ali1234> the checkboxes don't redraw, although they work
[18:56] <knome> !team | meeting in 5
[18:58] <knome> hey ochosi 
[18:58] <knome> hey Unit193 
[18:58] <ochosi> ali1234: sounds odd, almost like a gtk3 bug
[18:59] <Unit193> knome: Howdy.
[18:59] <ochosi> although i've never encountered that before elsewhere
[18:59] <ali1234> i saw a bug like this in OO once, with the gtk UI wrapper
[18:59] <ali1234> can you reproduce it?
[18:59] <elfy> ali1234: I saw that bug this morning - I couldn't reproduce it 
[18:59] <Unit193> Back in a bit.
[18:59] <knome> hey elfy 
[18:59] <knome> and ali1234 :)
[18:59] <ochosi> ali1234: nope, works for me as expected
[19:00] <ali1234> hmm... maybe depends on theme?
[19:00] <ochosi> hm, possible
[19:00] <knome> can we get the meeting started soon, we have a lot of items today
[19:00] <elfy> I'm ready 
[19:00] <bluesabre-tmp> \o/
[19:00] <ochosi> worth asking
[19:00] <knome> hey bluesabre-tmp 
[19:00] <knome> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting
[19:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Apr 24 19:00:48 2014 UTC.  The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[19:00] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[19:01] <knome> i'll skip the action items, updates and announcements...
[19:01] <knome> #topic Making sure the Processes page is up-to-date 
[19:01] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes
[19:02] <knome> if everybody could check that page and see if we are lacking some documentation for any tasks we need to take every cycle...
[19:02]  * ochosi notices that he never actually read that page
[19:02] <knome> it's a relatively new one
[19:03] <knome> and still partly WIP by pleia2, Unit193 and myself
[19:03] <GridCube> knome, can we have time to read the page and give feedback in the week? 
[19:03] <knome> i think it would be a good idea to have good documentation of everything around if people need to be away
[19:03] <ochosi> +1
[19:03] <knome> GridCube, you can send feedback on the mailing list
[19:04] <ochosi> also means you don't have to explain things over and over again
[19:04] <knome> i just wanted to bring this up now since we have just done everything in the last 6 months
[19:04] <ochosi> if you can simply point ppl to a page
[19:04] <knome> yep
[19:04] <GridCube> i mean, can that be an action item for the team? 
[19:04] <knome> GridCube, consider it as an always-open action item for the team
[19:04] <GridCube> alright
[19:05] <knome> if you ever notice the page is missing something, notice people about it
[19:05] <slickymaster> sorry for being late guys
[19:05] <knome> pleia2, are you atound?
[19:05] <GridCube> sure
[19:05] <knome> *around
[19:05] <knome> hey slickymaster, np
[19:05]  * knome mixes up the agenda
[19:05] <knome> #topic Plans for 14.04 SRU's
[19:05] <knome> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-14-04-point-1
[19:07] <ochosi> i guess no news on ibus?
[19:07] <knome> no
[19:07] <ochosi> the lock/suspend issue is being worked on
[19:07] <ochosi> but no patch so far
[19:07] <knome> again, this is one of the items that i just wanted to bring up
[19:07] <knome> if there's anything you think should be in there, or if you think something should be dropped, be in touch with the team
[19:07] <knome> currently, i think everything in the blueprint is more or less SRU material
[19:08] <ochosi> i guess, honestly i haven't checked all bugreports
[19:09] <knome> ok, let's keep on discussing about that and fixing the bugs
[19:09] <knome> and move on
[19:09] <knome> #topic Cleaning up Launchpad assets
[19:09] <knome> https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/+bug/1305585
[19:09] <knome> anybody see a (technical reason) to keep these assets?
[19:09] <knome> can't see the first two mentioned ever used
[19:10] <knome> the last one was "used", but doesn't have a technical reason
[19:10] <knome> and seeing that kind of page might be just more confusing than helpful for users
[19:11] <ochosi> yeah, the daily and buildbot ones are related
[19:11] <knome> yep
[19:11] <ochosi> i do think we can get rid of both
[19:11] <ochosi> will later bring up my proposal to replace that
[19:11] <knome> ochosi, ok, good
[19:11] <knome> #action knome to contact LP admins to drop ~xubuntu-xfce-daily-builds and ~xubuntu-buildbot
[19:11] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to contact LP admins to drop ~xubuntu-xfce-daily-builds and ~xubuntu-buildbot
[19:11] <knome> what about the latter?
[19:12] <knome> i guess...
[19:12] <GridCube> doesnt that recieve bug reports?
[19:12] <knome> GridCube, no.
[19:12] <knome> GridCube, maybe load the page yourself and see and stop guessing
[19:12] <GridCube> then i dont see why keeping it if its not being used
[19:12] <GridCube> i did that
[19:12] <knome> #action knome to check if the xubuntu-desktop project has any technical reason to be kept and get it removed if not
[19:12] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to check if the xubuntu-desktop project has any technical reason to be kept and get it removed if not
[19:13] <knome> #topic Create a testing PPA common to -team 
[19:13] <knome> ochosi, this is yours ;)
[19:14] <ochosi> yeah, so since we had a lot of testing going on in the 14.04 cycle through PPAs (and it worked well for us i think), i thought we could set up a team for that
[19:14] <ochosi> so that ppl can push packages that ought to get tested during the dev cycle to a common PPA
[19:14] <ochosi> to make testers lives easier
[19:14] <knome> is there any reason to not link that with ~xubuntu-dev?
[19:14] <ochosi> yeah, not all ppl who upload to that ppa might be in that team
[19:15] <ochosi> i want to have a rather low hurdle for ppl to contribute to that PPA
[19:15] <Unit193> -qa made sense to me.
[19:15] <knome> wouldn't it make sense to have some kind of moderation for packages that are tested by $all_testers?
[19:15] <bluesabre-tmp> well, we don't want too low
[19:15] <ochosi> and if we channel everything through -dev, it won't be fun because that team is too small
[19:15] <knome> i'd like the -dev team to have more members than now
[19:15] <ochosi> yes, i'd want a team that needs approval
[19:16] <ochosi> yeah, but -dev can also push to all branches
[19:16] <ochosi> that's not the same as up-ing packages to PPAs
[19:16] <bluesabre-tmp> yeah, but with -dev we can verify things before they get pushed
[19:16] <ochosi> bluesabre-tmp: i don't mind, but it increases the workload
[19:16] <bluesabre-tmp> yeah
[19:16] <elfy> but with -dev then things would take ages to get on the ppa 
[19:16] <knome> i would vote for -dev, we shouldn't make it too easy to "mess up" with PPA's
[19:16] <ochosi> and might get ppl to just push stuff to their private PPAs
[19:16] <knome> elfy, not really, currently ochosi and bluesabre-tmp are members
[19:17] <bluesabre-tmp> ^
[19:17] <elfy> mmm
[19:17] <knome> i'd also suggest at least thinking to add Unit193 and Noskcaj 
[19:17] <bluesabre-tmp> +2
[19:17] <elfy> well - most of the things that I ended up testing weren't by any of those that have been named
[19:17] <Unit193> bluesabre-tmp: You've been rejected. :(
[19:18] <knome> ochosi, do you think there would be people who we'd like/trust to push to the PPA, but don't want to give "all branches" permissions?
[19:18] <elfy> so I would STILL end up with a personall PPA
[19:18] <slickymaster> brainwash made a few
[19:18] <ochosi> knome: brainwash has only been around for one cycle, but he put lots of stuff in his PPA for testing
[19:18] <Unit193> slickymaster: They could be pretty quickly copied.
[19:18] <knome> elfy, the point is, those people weren't in that team when we needed them to be
[19:18] <bluesabre-tmp> yeah, we can sponsor ppa uploads as needed
[19:18] <ochosi> right
[19:18] <knome> so we've been bottlenecking on that
[19:19] <knome> i don't mind another team, if there is justification for it
[19:19] <Unit193> ochosi: We'd want to make sure to stress to the packagers to not go willie-nillie with it.
[19:19] <bluesabre-tmp> +1
[19:19] <knome> i just don't want yet another one just because we have one more task to do
[19:19] <ochosi> Unit193: sure, i agree
[19:19] <knome> if we can delegate that to one of the current teams, great
[19:19] <knome> bluesabre-tmp, not sure what you're +1'ing ;)
[19:19] <ochosi> well as long as it's not just bluesabre-tmp and me reviewing the PPA, i'm fine with -dev
[19:19] <Unit193> (Could almost use -team. :P )
[19:19] <knome> Unit193, almost, but not really...
[19:20] <ochosi> i just wanted to ensure that things are not slowed down because ppl are busy with stuff
[19:20] <elfy> ochosi: which is my worry - at that point do we gain anything 
[19:20] <amigamagic> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10844
[19:20] <knome> how many of the team are around?
[19:20] <elfy> amigamagic: not now please 
[19:20] <knome> amigamagic, can you please take it up after the meeting
[19:20] <ochosi> so if Unit193 and Noskcaj get added to -dev and agree to help reviewing and managing that i'm fine with that
[19:20] <knome> we might just have quorum
[19:20] <knome> (to vote)
[19:21] <amigamagic> sorry, I don't know there was a meeting
[19:21] <knome> team members, raise your hand
[19:21] <knome> o/
[19:21] <ochosi> o/
[19:21] <GridCube> i don't understand lp mechanics so i dont feel qualified to vote
[19:21] <elfy> o/
[19:21] <slickymaster> o/
[19:21] <bluesabre-tmp> o/
[19:21] <GridCube> o/
[19:21] <Unit193> \o
[19:21] <knome> one more?
[19:21] <jjfrv8-work> o/
[19:21] <ochosi> Unit193: always the funny one, eh? ;)
[19:22] <knome> great
[19:22] <Unit193> ochosi: Yep, pretty much.
[19:22] <ochosi> hehe
[19:22] <knome> so, should we vote about this?
[19:22] <ochosi> why not
[19:22] <knome> (-dev vs. new team)
[19:22] <knome> or do people need more information?
[19:22] <slickymaster> Ithink so
[19:22] <slickymaster> let's vote it
[19:22] <ochosi> although, for me it depends on how many ppl are in -dv
[19:22] <ochosi> -dev i mean
[19:22] <elfy> knome: 2 of the people on -team weren't about for more or less the whole cycle 
[19:22] <ochosi> and how many want to help with that work
[19:23] <knome> elfy, yeah, but we have quorum even with them counting ;)
[19:23] <knome> let's make an assumption:
[19:23] <Unit193> Also, just because you technically can push to the branches, doesn't mean you should or will.
[19:23] <knome> approximately 2 of the people in -dev are always around
[19:24] <knome> #vote Team for official testing PPA's: +1 for -dev, -1 for something else
[19:24] <meetingology> Please vote on: Team for official testing PPA's: +1 for -dev, -1 for something else
[19:24] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[19:24] <bluesabre-tmp> (good thing Unit193 does not sleep)
[19:24] <knome> team members can vote.
[19:24] <GridCube> +0
[19:24] <meetingology> +0 received from GridCube
[19:24] <elfy> +1
[19:24] <meetingology> +1 received from elfy
[19:24] <knome> if you want, you should be able to private vote.
[19:24] <slickymaster> +1
[19:24] <meetingology> +1 received from slickymaster
[19:24] <GridCube> again, i dont feel qualified to say one way or the other
[19:24] <bluesabre-tmp> +1
[19:24] <meetingology> +1 received from bluesabre-tmp
[19:24] <jjfrv8-work> +1
[19:24] <meetingology> +1 received from jjfrv8-work
[19:24] <knome> +1
[19:24] <meetingology> +1 received from knome
[19:25] <Unit193> +0
[19:25] <meetingology> +0 received from Unit193
[19:25] <ochosi> +0
[19:25] <meetingology> +0 received from ochosi
[19:26] <knome> do we still miss one?
[19:26] <knome> no
[19:26] <knome> #endvote
[19:26] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Team for official testing PPA's: +1 for -dev, -1 for something else
[19:26] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:3
[19:26] <meetingology> Motion carried
[19:26] <knome> technically we should carry on the motion
[19:26] <knome> but since it's ochosi's work item...
[19:26] <ochosi> anyway, i hope this doesnt end up in lots of review-work that ends up not getting done cause it's annoying
[19:27] <knome> right
[19:27] <ochosi> but let's carry on and hope it goes well :)
[19:27] <GridCube> :)
[19:27] <elfy> +1 to that
[19:28] <knome> #agreed Testing PPA's to be added under ~xubuntu-dev. Reassess if it adds too much workload/creates a bottleneck.
[19:28] <Unit193> ochosi: Around after the meeting?
[19:28] <ochosi> i'd actually prefer starting with a single ppa
[19:28] <ochosi> Unit193: yup
[19:28] <knome> ochosi, sure sure, single or multiple PPA's
[19:28] <knome> :)
[19:28] <ochosi> e.g. "xubuntu+1"
[19:28] <knome> that's up for members in -dev to decide ;)
[19:28] <ochosi> right
[19:29] <knome> #topic Documentation lead change 
[19:29] <knome> so, here's were we're standing
[19:29] <ochosi> +h
[19:29] <knome> yes...
[19:29] <knome> thanks.
[19:30] <knome> as discussed, jjfrv8-work wanted to step down from the doc lead position. that would take effect now.
[19:30] <knome> jjfrv8-work, THANKS!
[19:30] <Unit193> :(
[19:30] <elfy> jjfrv8-work: thanks for what you have done for us all :)
[19:30] <GridCube> :) thanks yes
[19:30] <jjfrv8-work> thank you all
[19:31] <knome> but also as discussed, we planned to replace him with slickymaster starting from the U cycle, if he was still up for it and the team agreed
[19:31] <Unit193> jjfrv8-work: Indeed, bummer to see you go.
[19:31] <ochosi> thanks a lot jjfrv8-work 
[19:31] <ochosi> jjfrv8-work: very sad to see you go :/
[19:31] <slickymaster> yes jjfrv8-work, thanks for a splendid work
[19:31] <knome> i've asked slickymaster earlier today, and he said he'd still be up for it
[19:31] <ochosi> weeee
[19:31] <knome> let's do a quick vote for that.
[19:31] <ochosi> jjfrv8-work: will you still keep contributing?
[19:31] <jjfrv8-work> absolutely
[19:31] <Unit193> I think both knome and slickymaster make sense, considering how much both you did with it.
[19:31] <ochosi> good
[19:32] <knome> #vote Appoint slickymaster as the new documentation lead? (-team members can vote)
[19:32] <meetingology> Please vote on: Appoint slickymaster as the new documentation lead? (-team members can vote)
[19:32] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[19:32] <knome> +1
[19:32] <meetingology> +1 received from knome
[19:32] <elfy> +1
[19:32] <meetingology> +1 received from elfy
[19:32] <ochosi> +1
[19:32] <meetingology> +1 received from ochosi
[19:32] <Unit193> +1
[19:32] <meetingology> +1 received from Unit193
[19:32] <jjfrv8-work> +1
[19:32] <meetingology> +1 received from jjfrv8-work
[19:32] <knome> slickymaster, btw, you are free to vote.
[19:32] <slickymaster> +0
[19:32] <meetingology> +0 received from slickymaster
[19:32] <elfy> :)
[19:32] <slickymaster> :P
[19:32] <bluesabre-tmp> +1
[19:32] <meetingology> +1 received from bluesabre-tmp
[19:32] <ochosi> slickymaster: how modest ;)
[19:33] <knome> GridCube, poke
[19:33] <GridCube> +1
[19:33] <meetingology> +1 received from GridCube
[19:33] <knome> #endvote
[19:33] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Appoint slickymaster as the new documentation lead? (-team members can vote)
[19:33] <meetingology> Votes for:7 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
[19:33] <meetingology> Motion carried
[19:33] <ochosi> congrats slickymaster 
[19:33] <slickymaster> ochosi: modest or fearful?
[19:33] <ochosi> :>
[19:33] <elfy> fearful :p
[19:33] <knome> #info Taking effect immediately, David Pires (slickymaster) is the new Xubuntu documentation lead.
[19:34] <knome> #action knome to work with appropriate (past) leaders to update the Leaders wikipage today
[19:34] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to work with appropriate (past) leaders to update the Leaders wikipage today
[19:34] <knome> pleia2, still not around?
[19:35] <knome> ok, let's move on
[19:35] <knome> #topic Using the project money (gathered from Linux Identity articles)
[19:35] <knome> there was discussing about this, but nothing has actually happened
[19:35] <knome> i'm proposing the following:
[19:36] <knome> pleia2 printed some "xp to xubuntu" flyers recently
[19:36] <knome> let's cover her printing costs
[19:36] <GridCube> sure
[19:36] <ochosi> +1
[19:36] <elfy> agreed
[19:36] <slickymaster> +1
[19:36] <knome> #vote Cover pleia2's printing costs? (-team can vote)
[19:36] <meetingology> Please vote on: Cover pleia2's printing costs? (-team can vote)
[19:36] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[19:36] <knome> +1
[19:36] <meetingology> +1 received from knome
[19:36] <elfy> +1
[19:36] <meetingology> +1 received from elfy
[19:36] <jjfrv8-work> +1
[19:36] <meetingology> +1 received from jjfrv8-work
[19:36] <ochosi> +1
[19:36] <meetingology> +1 received from ochosi
[19:36] <GridCube> +1
[19:36] <meetingology> +1 received from GridCube
[19:36] <knome> (let's do it the official way..)
[19:37] <slickymaster> +1
[19:37] <meetingology> +1 received from slickymaster
[19:37] <knome> bluesabre-tmp, Unit193 
[19:37] <knome> want to vote? :P
[19:37] <bluesabre-tmp> +1
[19:37] <meetingology> +1 received from bluesabre-tmp
[19:38] <knome> #endvote
[19:38] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Cover pleia2's printing costs? (-team can vote)
[19:38] <meetingology> Votes for:7 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[19:38] <meetingology> Motion carried
[19:38] <slickymaster> Unit193: finally fell asleep
[19:38] <bluesabre-tmp> :D
[19:38] <Unit193> Hah.
[19:38] <GridCube> and you went and waked him up
[19:38] <knome> #action pleia2 to follow up with the exact amount with knome, who shall paypal the money to her
[19:38] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 to follow up with the exact amount with knome, who shall paypal the money to her
[19:38] <knome> we will still have stuff left
[19:39] <knome> is there anything else anybody thinks we should use it for?
[19:39] <GridCube> o/
[19:39] <knome> GridCube, yes?
[19:39] <GridCube> my always recurring topic
[19:39] <Unit193> He meant pay him.
[19:39] <knome> heh.
[19:39] <ochosi> :)
[19:39] <GridCube> we dont have a wallaper of the week thing done yet
[19:39] <GridCube> or desktop of the week rather
[19:39] <knome> GridCube, err, do we need money for that?
[19:39] <GridCube> no
[19:40] <GridCube> i waht
[19:40] <GridCube> XD sorry
[19:40] <knome> then focus! ;)
[19:40] <Unit193> knome: To pay you off?
[19:40] <knome> hah.
[19:40] <GridCube> i missread
[19:40] <knome> since we've had it for $quite_long, i would propose the following...
[19:40] <knome> pay elfy for his headset he bought to be able to take part in vUDS
[19:40] <GridCube> :)
[19:40] <Unit193> Xfce take donations?
[19:41] <knome> Unit193, i guess, but what's the point, they aren't very active? :|
[19:41] <elfy> really really don't want that - thanks though :)
[19:41] <knome> ok, then let's not vote
[19:41] <knome> i was just thinking... :)
[19:41] <elfy> thanks for the thought :)
[19:41] <knome> i can keep the money on hold still, but i'd rather get it moving sooner or later
[19:41] <bluesabre-tmp> any server costs that xubuntu eats?
[19:41] <ochosi> not really
[19:41] <Unit193> knome: Still wouldn't be here without them, even though I'd like them to be active I'm thankful that they're still there.
[19:41] <ochosi> xfce still can't accept donations i think
[19:41] <ochosi> but i can work on that
[19:41] <knome> bluesabre-tmp, shimmer is hosted on xfce
[19:42] <knome> bluesabre-tmp, but that's not exactly xubuntu
[19:42] <knome> and i doubt it adds to their costs..
[19:42] <ochosi> not really, i think xfce is mostly hosted gratuitiosly
[19:42] <knome> is anybody linked with loco teams that could do something cool xubuntu-related?
[19:42] <pleia2> thanks guys
[19:42] <elfy> hi pleia2 
[19:42] <bluesabre-tmp> skellat
[19:42] <pleia2> sorry, was at an appointment
[19:43] <knome> pleia2, PM me the amount and your paypal addy and i'll get it done today
[19:43] <Unit193> knome: OLF is coming up, yes.
[19:43] <knome> do we want a big xubuntu banner?
[19:43] <ochosi> knome: what about bug bounty?
[19:43] <knome> is that useful, or do we always go under ubuntu anyway?
[19:44] <knome> ochosi, for what bug? :)
[19:44] <ochosi> the lid suspend bug?
[19:44] <ochosi> any bug that is pressing
[19:44] <ochosi> or even features
[19:44] <ochosi> it has become quite popular recently in foss projects
[19:44] <ochosi> and i think it works as a motivation
[19:44] <ochosi> and as a reward other than the vocal praise for ppl who actually do stuff
[19:44] <knome> i'm fine with that
[19:44] <ochosi> they can still decide to donate the money back
[19:44] <ochosi> or to another bug
[19:45] <knome> if there isn't anything that needs "covering" now, let's hold the money
[19:45] <ochosi> we don't have to spend it all on one bug
[19:45] <knome> ideas always welcome
[19:45] <ochosi> ok
[19:45] <knome> #topic Review and discuss team reporting 
[19:45] <knome> pleia2! :)
[19:46] <pleia2> oh yes
[19:46] <pleia2> so I've really just been copying the action items from meetings into our team reports
[19:46] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/TeamReports
[19:46] <pleia2> March is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/TeamReports/14/March
[19:46] <ochosi> pleia2: thanks, a lot better than having to write them ;)
[19:47] <pleia2> indeed!
[19:47] <knome> yes, that's an improvement
[19:47] <pleia2> I think it's going ok :)
[19:47] <knome> now if #done only worked...
[19:47] <pleia2> heh, right
[19:48] <knome> well, let's use it
[19:48] <knome> actually not
[19:49] <pleia2> anyway, I think we're ok continuing this for the time being, unless anyone else wants to do more work on reports
[19:49] <knome> but money is sent to pleia2, and $0.40 fee covered by the xubuntu team ;)
[19:49] <elfy> :)
[19:49] <ochosi> pleia2: +1
[19:49] <pleia2> thanks
[19:49] <ochosi> thanks for doing that
[19:49] <knome> yeah, thanks
[19:50] <knome> we should probably mention it in the processes page that the one adding the meeting minutes should also update the team updates page.
[19:50] <knome> and if it's the first meeting of the month, cycle the monthly pages
[19:50] <knome> #topic Use a common area for detailed discussions notes such as Trello
[19:51] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/U/Trello%20Communication
[19:51] <knome> elfy, 
[19:51] <Unit193> I tended to ignore it. :/
[19:51] <knome> Unit193, wait, when did you add the meeting minutes? ;)
[19:51] <slickymaster> I felt it useful
[19:51]  * GridCube leaves
[19:52] <pleia2> if it's valuable to folks, I think trello is lovely to use, but I have my own todo lists so "update trello" tends to land there :)
[19:52] <elfy> ok - so I was just thinking about us communicating a bit better - I spent a lot of time last cycle - going over the same ground - I really don't want to do that again
[19:52] <knome> besides, that link is bogus
[19:52] <slickymaster> and elfy and I did use it quite a lot in -qa
[19:52] <ochosi> yeah, trello is very good to use
[19:52] <elfy> and it worked for those of -qa that did use it 
[19:52] <bluesabre-tmp> elfy, you should harrass everyone with !team
[19:52] <bluesabre-tmp> :D
[19:52] <knome> elfy, is it about communication about "what do we need to do (generally)" ?
[19:52] <elfy> why?
[19:53] <knome> elfy, or specific action items people need to take?
[19:53] <ochosi> even for managing progress, i'd actually prefer it to the clunky blueprints on launchpad (if it were integrated in launchpad)
[19:53] <knome> the positive side to LP is the good status page.
[19:53] <elfy> it's more general - there's not anywhere other than blueprints to actually write anything - and that would soon be a nightmare
[19:54] <Unit193> ochosi: Nah, if it were on LP, it'd be far slower.
[19:54] <knome> elfy, want to expand the spec for next week?
[19:54] <ochosi> Unit193: hehe, yeah, there we go :p
[19:54] <knome> elfy, eg. briefly cover what we would use it for, and maybe some action screenshots
[19:54] <elfy> ok
[19:54] <knome> cheers
[19:54] <ochosi> cool
[19:55] <elfy> but if we don't do that - we do need to do something
[19:55] <knome> #action elfy to extend the Trello spec, discussion to follow
[19:55] <meetingology> ACTION: elfy to extend the Trello spec, discussion to follow
[19:55] <knome> elfy, yep, anything that works for the team :)
[19:55] <ochosi> trellolo
[19:55] <knome> okay, and now the item you have all been waiting for
[19:55] <knome> #topic Project future: New project lead, council, or something else? 
[19:55] <ochosi> incecream?
[19:55] <knome> wb Unit193 ;)
[19:56] <ochosi> Unit193: feeling so nervous..?
[19:56] <elfy> too late - we voted Unit193 in :p
[19:56] <knome> you have just voted the next XPL
[19:56] <knome> yep
[19:56] <knome> too bad :|
[19:56] <knome> joking aside...
[19:56] <pleia2> lol
[19:56] <knome> i think we should organize a call for XPL nominations
[19:56] <slickymaster> the decison was taken long ago in the backstages
[19:56] <pleia2> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team/+members
[19:57] <knome> there's a specific reason why i say this...
[19:57] <elfy> knome: and how long will we wait for that
[19:57] <knome> i'll do the call at latest on monday
[19:57] <pleia2> now that our team is more than 4 people, I think we could actually support a small council if we wanted to go that route
[19:57] <knome> then some time to gather nominations
[19:57]  * knome refrains from disclosing the reason
[19:57] <knome> ...but other people can.
[19:57]  * elfy thinks we should have called earlier
[19:58] <knome> elfy, would have been madness to do that during the release
[19:58] <ochosi> +1
[19:58] <knome> it has always gone like this
[19:58] <ochosi> elfy: knome is still here ;)
[19:58] <elfy> yea - I know that :)
[19:58] <ochosi> so it's his problem if there's no new xpl, he'll just have to stay :D
[19:58] <pleia2> time machines ftw
[19:58] <knome> hah
[19:58] <knome> well, if no nominations are sent...
[19:59] <knome> then we will have to investigate other options
[19:59]  * pleia2 nods
[19:59] <ochosi> after loooong consideration and discussions...
[19:59] <knome> but as pleia2 said... yes, we could sustain a council
[19:59] <ochosi> i've started to consider applying for the terrible terrible burden that knome has been carrying for us
[20:00] <knome> :)
[20:00] <pleia2> :D
[20:00] <Unit193> Well that could solve that.
[20:00] <ochosi> there were a few subsequent discussions with bluesabre 
[20:00] <ochosi> (who unfortunately left the meeting as it seems)
[20:01] <ochosi> so anyway, we can talk about that when he's around again i guess
[20:01] <knome> yeah
[20:01] <knome> anyway... i would very much like to see a "single" XPL instead of council
[20:01] <knome> hey bluesabre-tmp!
[20:01] <ochosi> oh, speak of the devil
[20:01] <elfy> I would prefer to see a single one as well if we can 
[20:02] <pleia2> knome: me too!
[20:02] <knome> i would also say that we need to lessen the burden
[20:02] <ochosi> yes, ok, so now that bluesabre-tmp is around again
[20:02] <bluesabre-tmp> ok, what did I miss?
[20:02] <knome> if at all possible
[20:02] <knome> bluesabre-tmp, you're the new XPL
[20:02] <knome> bluesabre-tmp, just voted on that
[20:02] <pleia2> haha
[20:02] <ochosi> bluesabre-tmp: i can pastebin you the backlog
[20:02] <bluesabre-tmp> O.o
[20:02] <ochosi> or you can check the online-log
[20:02] <slickymaster> ochosi propsed you and we all agreed
[20:03] <bluesabre-tmp> ochosi: sure, trying to navigate as little as possible since I'm testhering on my phone
[20:03] <slickymaster> *proposed
[20:04] <pleia2> seriously though, knome will do call for nominations by monday
[20:04] <elfy> knome: so how will we lessen the burden?
[20:04] <knome> pasted to bluesabre-tmp's PM
[20:04] <knome> so basically,
[20:04] <knome> well that's one of the things to do imo ^
[20:04] <knome> we need to rethink "who" is it who does all the heavy lifting
[20:04] <knome> to me, it feels natural that the -release team had a bit more responsbility, but also power
[20:04] <knome> yes, i will.
[20:04] <knome> release team could take some of the paperwork
[20:04] <knome> that is, filing exception bugs
[20:05] <knome> i've been cooperating a lot in -release, and have been happy to see elfy do that as well
[20:06] <elfy> they're not too bad in there ;)
[20:06] <bluesabre-tmp> :)
[20:06] <knome> maybe there could be team members who would make sure the blueprints are up-to-date
[20:06] <knome> or whatever method we are using
[20:06] <elfy> can't team leads do their blueprints?
[20:06] <knome> ideally, all people would manage their own work items
[20:06] <pleia2> yeah, I could do a much better job of my blueprints
[20:06] <knome> sure, that works as well if it... works
[20:06] <ochosi> yeah, i think it's hard to formalize that process
[20:07] <ochosi> i mean we can say, we create a subset of ppl who handle blueprints
[20:07] <knome> ochosi, since you have been pondering this, is there something else you are afraid of?
[20:07] <elfy> well I'm happy enough to do qa ones
[20:07] <knome> i don't think it's a bad idea that everybody *can*
[20:07] <ochosi> after thinking more about it, not that much
[20:07] <ochosi> there's just stuff that you've been doing that i haven't done often (like chairing meetings)
[20:07] <knome> if a work item is assigned to [user], user should make sure it's updated
[20:07] <ochosi> and you're irc-ier than me
[20:08] <knome> for chairing meetings, i'd really love to see a rotating chair or something
[20:08] <ochosi> yeah...
[20:08] <ochosi> would be cool
[20:08]  * elfy hates driving the bot 
[20:08] <ochosi> :)
[20:08] <knome> i guess nobody likes it
[20:08] <ochosi> i assume that too
[20:08] <elfy> it drives on the wrong side of the road :p
[20:08] <bluesabre-tmp> I'm usually not able to make it to these mettings
[20:08] <bluesabre-tmp> *meetings
[20:09] <knome> bluesabre-tmp, then we should reschedule
[20:09] <Unit193> I tend to miss the beginning.
[20:09] <knome> i've no problem with varying meeting times
[20:09] <knome> we can even let the chair mostly decide the time.
[20:09] <ochosi> yeah
[20:09] <ochosi> we can have them cycle around a bit
[20:09] <knome> well take all team leaders, or team members
[20:09] <ochosi> to make sure all team members can attend once a month at least
[20:09] <bluesabre-tmp> hm, this sounds like a good idea
[20:09] <knome> cycle through them evenly
[20:09] <knome> when it's your turn, schedule how you wish
[20:10] <knome> and others will, or won't, be available
[20:10] <elfy> mmm not sure about that
[20:10] <ochosi> makes chairing more comfortable
[20:10] <knome> it's not a huge issue that everybody is not being able to make it
[20:10] <knome> we have the meeting minutes
[20:10] <knome> and we have the mailing list
[20:10] <slickymaster> is there any channel where one could do some sort of testdrives knome?
[20:10] <ochosi> yeah, and ppl are around anyway
[20:10] <knome> slickymaster, #meetingology
[20:10] <slickymaster> ok
[20:10] <knome> elfy, express your concerns :)
[20:11]  * elfy test drives the bot in FC meetings sometimes 
[20:11] <elfy> hang on - just getting the words right :)
[20:11] <elfy> I'd worry about meetings at that point end up being empty - nothing would get done 
[20:12] <elfy> in time
[20:12] <knome> well,
[20:12] <knome> it'd be good practice to make sure at least somebody is able to make it ;)
[20:12] <elfy> how about a straw poll with a doodle poll of general times 
[20:12] <knome> we've done that too many times IMO
[20:12] <knome> any time always seems to be perfect
[20:12] <knome> then when we start running the meetings at that time, people can't come
[20:13] <knome> which is one of the reason why i think a "moving target" could work just as well...
[20:13] <ochosi> +1
[20:13] <elfy> second thought - a -team mailing list - at least then we'd be able to have targetted discussions
[20:13] <bluesabre-tmp> +1
[20:13] <knome> elfy, i could +1 that
[20:13] <bluesabre-tmp> I like that idea
[20:13] <knome> would *only* team members be allowed to send?
[20:13] <elfy> yep
[20:14] <elfy> like a 'council' list 
[20:14] <knome> because if not, soon it would become xubuntu-dev-team-please-include-libreoffice
[20:14] <ochosi> huhu
[20:14] <elfy> exactly 
[20:14] <bluesabre-tmp> hah
[20:14] <knome> what do others think?
[20:14] <knome> pleia2, i know you're opposed to redundant infrastructure, so i want your opinion
[20:14] <elfy> then at that point - we'd have 'votes' on issues that can be taken to meetings whatever time they are
[20:14] <ochosi> we can give it a try
[20:15] <elfy> or 
[20:15] <knome> #action knome to send a call for new XPL's to the -devel mailing list
[20:15] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to send a call for new XPL's to the -devel mailing list
[20:16] <knome> elfy, yeah?
[20:16] <elfy> if we do go to something like trello - we could make that private
[20:16] <knome> well, that's a bit meh
[20:16] <knome> or maybe not
[20:16] <bluesabre-tmp> trello does do emails notifications
[20:16] <elfy> yea
[20:16] <knome> bluesabre-tmp, yeah, but is it about all changes?
[20:16] <knome> i don't want dumb diffs :(
[20:17] <knome> i want well-written, thought out mails
[20:17] <bluesabre-tmp> it's "hey, you've missed 4 updates!"
[20:17] <elfy> knome: that 
[20:17] <slickymaster> theoretically elfy's idea has potential
[20:17] <bluesabre-tmp> I know because ochosi keep updating a trello that I should be contributing to
[20:17] <knome> bluesabre-tmp, yeah, that's just email "crap"
[20:17] <knome> even if it was about meaningful things
[20:17] <elfy> I'd be inclined to m/l rather than trello for team stuff though
[20:17] <knome> another idea is
[20:18] <knome> add some moderators and take out the whip at -devel mailing list
[20:18]  * Unit193 would be a bad choice.
[20:18] <elfy> don't like that idea 
[20:18] <knome> we can make people's mails autoadded to moderation queue by email address
[20:18] <knome> i think we need to do $something for the -devel list nonetheless
[20:18] <knome> especially if we create a -team mailing list
[20:19] <knome> because at that point, -devel could very easily turn into -feature-requests
[20:19] <knome> i'm still waiting for any input from pleia2 :)
[20:19] <pleia2> sorry
[20:19] <knome> np
[20:19] <elfy> not really - most of the stuff that goes to -devel is general 
[20:20] <elfy> ly what it should be - call's etc 
[20:20] <knome> elfy, most of the stuff there now is stuff that could be in -users
[20:20] <pleia2> it's not like -devel is overwhelming
[20:20] <slickymaster> yes, it could perfectley land on xubuntu mailing list
[20:20] <knome> well, most of the stuff by non-team-members..
[20:20] <elfy> since release I'd agree 
[20:21] <knome> do we want to design a tag for team communication?
[20:21] <knome> pleia2, ^
[20:21] <elfy> pleia2: what we were discussing was a new private m/l for -team
[20:21] <pleia2> elfy: yeah
[20:21] <knome> i know anybody can use that, but...
[20:21] <knome> might be possible to autosend to moderation queue if it's not from team member emails
[20:21] <pleia2> so launchpad makes it very easy for us to create a private list there
[20:21] <elfy> knome: well - I did for a while mail the list with [TEAM] in the subject 
[20:22] <knome> pleia2, launchpad lists are meh.
[20:22] <ochosi> holy crap, there is a scorpion in our appartment (no kidding!)
[20:22] <elfy> got a couple of replies
[20:22] <ochosi> bbabl
[20:22] <elfy> good lord 
[20:22] <pleia2> knome: I don't know that we'd need it for a lot anyway :) mostly we just talk here tbh
[20:22] <knome> pleia2, i'd just make IS create another
[20:22] <bluesabre-tmp> ochosi is not going to make it
[20:22] <knome> well, related to this
[20:22] <knome> it was brought up by lionel (mrpouit) that it's getting harder and harder for him to follow/help with development since he's now a lot less in IRC
[20:22] <Unit193> Uhh.  I'm still stuck at where he said "scorpion"...
[20:23] <knome> so i think we are being (partly unconsciously) in exclusive
[20:23] <knome> -in
[20:24] <knome> pleia2, send meeting minutes there?
[20:24] <knome> pleia2, run votes there
[20:24] <pleia2> sure
[20:24] <knome> let's do a quick, non-finally-decisive vote
[20:24] <elfy> knome: 
[20:24] <Logan_> yes hello is this a meeting thing
[20:25] <knome> to get a general idea what people think
[20:25] <knome> Logan_, yes, very much
[20:25] <knome> elfy, 
[20:25] <elfy> if we went to -team m/l we could have -release team as the moderators 
[20:25] <bluesabre-tmp> hey Logan_ :)
[20:25] <bluesabre-tmp> oh yeah, knome, my -release is about to expire, and it said to message you
[20:25] <elfy> or something - so it's not just another XPL task
[20:25] <knome> elfy, yes, though we wouldn't need much
[20:25] <elfy> bluesabre-tmp: he knows :)
[20:25] <knome> bluesabre-tmp, yep, just a sec
[20:26] <bluesabre-tmp> :)
[20:26] <elfy> knome: nope - just when people move in and out of -team
[20:26] <elfy> but yea a quick vote wfm
[20:26] <knome> #vote Create xubuntu-team mailing list or not? (non-final voting, just gathering general thoughts)
[20:26] <meetingology> Please vote on: Create xubuntu-team mailing list or not? (non-final voting, just gathering general thoughts)
[20:26] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[20:26] <knome> +1
[20:26] <meetingology> +1 received from knome
[20:26] <elfy> +1
[20:26] <meetingology> +1 received from elfy
[20:26] <bluesabre-tmp> +1
[20:26] <meetingology> +1 received from bluesabre-tmp
[20:27] <slickymaster> +1
[20:27] <meetingology> +1 received from slickymaster
[20:27] <pleia2> +0
[20:27] <meetingology> +0 received from pleia2
[20:28] <knome> bluesabre-tmp, elfy: i've extended you for a month in -release, until we get a new XPL/council/something
[20:28] <bluesabre-tmp> knome: thanks
[20:28] <knome> bluesabre-tmp, elfy: let's reassess the situation at that point
[20:28] <elfy> ok - ta
[20:28] <knome> other team members?
[20:29] <knome> #action knome to send a mail about creating a xubuntu-team mailing list
[20:29] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to send a mail about creating a xubuntu-team mailing list
[20:29] <knome> #endvote
[20:29] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Create xubuntu-team mailing list or not? (non-final voting, just gathering general thoughts)
[20:29] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
[20:29] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:29] <knome> ok, finally..
[20:29] <knome> #subtopic Team leaders
[20:29] <knome> ochosi, pleia2, elfy: you fine to continue with your leader hats? :)
[20:30] <elfy> yep
[20:30]  * knome bows to elfy 
[20:30] <pleia2> sure
[20:30] <elfy> as long as people are ok with it of course
[20:30]  * knome bows to pleia2 
[20:30] <pleia2> knome: we should chat re: website at some point though, if you are no xpl, you may want that hat :)
[20:30] <knome> i don't think we are generally voting about (non-project) team leads
[20:30] <knome> pleia2, we can
[20:30] <knome> i don't want anything in 6 months
[20:31] <knome> but i'm by tentatively open for stuff after that
[20:31] <bluesabre-tmp> I'd be willing to apply for technical lead, not sure if others are currently interested
[20:31] <knome> mhm,
[20:32] <knome> i would approve that direction
[20:32] <knome> having a technical lead that's around would also help with the XPL burden
[20:33]  * pleia2 nods
[20:33] <Unit193> bluesabre-tmp: Get uploader rights. ;)
[20:33] <knome> i'm all open for other nomiations as well, but i'd say it's a big pro if you are actually around.
[20:33] <bluesabre-tmp> Unit193: yeah, thats the next step
[20:34] <knome> #action New XPL/council to run a call for a new technical lead
[20:34] <meetingology> ACTION: New XPL/council to run a call for a new technical lead
[20:34] <knome> hmpf.
[20:34] <knome> #undo
[20:34] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: ACTION
[20:34] <knome> #action new-xpl: New XPL/council to run a call for a new technical lead
[20:34] <meetingology> ACTION: new-xpl: New XPL/council to run a call for a new technical lead
[20:34] <knome> #nick new-xpl
[20:35] <knome> #topic Other issues
[20:35] <knome> anything else?
[20:35] <knome> yeah, i think we are done and all exhausted :)
[20:36] <knome> #topic Next meeting
[20:36] <elfy> now't from me for sure
[20:36] <bluesabre-tmp> in 5 minutes
[20:36] <bluesabre-tmp> :>
[20:36] <knome> hah
[20:36] <pleia2> I'm gone next week
[20:36] <knome> i might be away @may 1 too
[20:36] <knome> is *monday* a bad day for people?
[20:37] <knome> that is, may 5
[20:37] <slickymaster> I'll be away between april 30th and may 5th
[20:37] <elfy> fine for me 
[20:37] <knome> slickymaster, including 5, or not?
[20:37] <bluesabre-tmp> good for e
[20:37] <pleia2> I'm gone then too :)
[20:37] <bluesabre-tmp> cinco de mayo
[20:37] <slickymaster> excluding knome 
[20:37] <knome> mhm
[20:37] <knome> well what about tuseday may 6?
[20:37] <slickymaster> workday the 5th
[20:37] <knome> pleia2, better? :P
[20:38] <pleia2> nope
[20:38] <pleia2> I'm back on wednesday :D
[20:38] <knome> hah
[20:38] <knome> let's do email stuff then
[20:38] <knome> and have a meeting on thursday
[20:38] <knome> the regular time
[20:38] <pleia2> k
[20:39] <knome> #info Next meeting: May 8, 19 UTC
[20:39] <knome> let's hope we have XPL submission mostly in by that
[20:39] <knome> can not quite be, because need 2 weeks
[20:39] <knome> (iirc)
[20:39] <knome> anyway, thanks!
[20:39] <knome> #endmeeting
[20:39] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Apr 24 20:39:38 2014 UTC.  
[20:39] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-04-24-19.00.moin.txt
[20:39] <knome> bbl
[20:39] <elfy> thanks knome 
[20:39] <pleia2> thanks knome 
[20:39] <bluesabre-tmp> thanks knome
[20:39] <Unit193> Well if the scorpion didn't get him...
[20:39] <bluesabre-tmp> later everyone
[20:39]  * knome encore-bows
[20:39] <knome> Unit193, :|
[20:39] <slickymaster> thanks knome 
[20:39] <knome> -->
[20:40] <slickymaster> finally dinner
[20:40] <slickymaster> bbl ->
[20:44] <ochosi> re
[20:44] <elfy> ochosi: safely back I hope :)
[20:44] <ochosi> yeah, caught the scorpio and escorted him out
[20:45] <ochosi> gf is still in a bit of a shock
[20:45] <elfy> I bet :)
[20:45] <ochosi> but we can laugh again already
[20:45] <elfy> ha ha ha 
[20:46] <ochosi> will post a photo later
[20:46] <knome> phew, the future of the project is safe again
[20:46] <elfy> :)
[20:47] <pleia2> lol
[20:47] <pleia2> xubuntu has a "bitten by a scorpion" factor of 1 :\
[20:48] <ochosi> :}
[20:48] <ochosi> actually he was tiny, about 3-4cm long
[20:48] <ochosi> but still, if you've never seen one...
[20:48] <ochosi> in your bathroom!
[20:48] <pleia2> I hear the smaller ones more dangerous :)
[20:49] <ochosi> will take this to #xubuntu-scorpions now
[20:49] <ochosi> (a channel for music and animal lovers)
[20:49] <pleia2> ++
[20:49] <knome> lol
[20:49] <knome> was thinking about that
[20:50] <knome> meeting minutes are up
[20:50] <ochosi> ty
[21:37] <knome> slickymaster, around?
[21:40] <knome> Xubuntu/Leaders updated
[21:40] <knome> ochosi, your TZ as well
[21:42] <ochosi> knome: the TZ is the same though
[21:42] <knome> yeah ;)
[21:42] <ochosi> and it'll change again in less time than lies behind us when it wasn't correct :)
[21:43] <knome> maybe we should just stick to UTC+bleh timezones.
[21:43] <knome> which would be more useful anyway
[21:43] <ochosi> yeah
[21:43] <knome> feel free to do that change if you please
[21:47] <slickymaster> knome, I am now
[21:48] <knome> slickymaster, you're listed in Xubunut/Leaders now.
[21:58] <slickymaster> ok knome, thanks
[22:15] <knome> "it's out": https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-April/010087.html
[22:20] <ochosi> updated leaders/tz
[22:21] <ochosi> is that what you had in mind, knome ^ ?
[22:22] <knome> that looks good
[22:22] <knome> though DST is meh
[22:22] <knome> ;)
[22:22] <knome> just saying...
[22:22] <ochosi> yeah, not really my fault :)
[22:23] <knome> yep
[22:25] <ochosi> am i the only one who thinks it's a bit odd that previous leaders start from oldest to newest?
[22:25] <knome> you can switch that if you wish
[22:25] <knome> i don't think it matters much
[22:25] <ochosi> yeah, probably not
[22:25] <ochosi> just took me a while to figure out what the sorting was
[22:27] <knome> more mail @ -devel
[22:29] <knome> ochosi, re: sort order, i think it made most sense if it was ordered by "from" time
[22:29] <knome> but when did lionel begin his tech lead journey?
[22:33] <ochosi> yeah, well, let's just leave it for now
[22:33] <ochosi> it really isn't as important, as you correctly said
[22:49] <ochosi> this is actually a bit sucky: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1306917
[22:49] <ochosi> seems it's just a small fluke in one of our config files though
[22:50] <ochosi> or: lls not reading it correctly
[22:59] <brainwash_> ochosi: so you want to reward people for fixing the annoying post release bugs instead of fixing them yourself? :D
[22:59] <ochosi> brainwash_: could be a nice way of getting more/new ppl involved
[22:59] <brainwash_> we could use crypto currency for this purpose
[22:59] <knome> >__<
[22:59] <ochosi> nobody can ever do/fix everything themselves
[22:59] <knome> i'll disapprove that.
[23:00] <brainwash_> you don't like dogecoin and co? :(
[23:01] <knome> if they didn't drag so many people who are completely lost, they could be tolerable
[23:08] <brainwash_> a nice overview with different stats about current bugs could help, something like a top list to encourage users to fix the most annoying bugs
[23:11] <ochosi> anyway, this doesn't have to be restricted to bugs, it can be about features too
[23:11] <brainwash_> yes
[23:12] <brainwash_> this would emphasize the value of xubuntu being a community project
[23:14] <knome> i'm not sure how the fact that we pay to contributors, in a way or another, emphasizes the community aspect?
[23:15] <brainwash_> the nice overview will
[23:16] <knome> right...
[23:16] <knome> don't we have those on a blueprint already?
[23:16] <brainwash_> paying people won't work anyway
[23:17] <brainwash_> blueprints are ugly
[23:19] <brainwash_> mmh, paying people could work nicely... if paid by the community
[23:19] <brainwash_> like donating
[23:21] <brainwash_> now we only need to pay someone to implement and maintain such a system :)
[23:22] <ochosi> i think that we can look to elementary and see how they handle it
[23:23] <knome> it shouldn't be too hard to set that up, and i would like if it pulled the core data from LP
[23:29] <ochosi> yeah
[23:30] <knome> again, as with other stuff, if people think it's useful...
[23:30] <knome> ...i can have a look at it
[23:59] <amigamagic> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10846