| apachelogger | yofel, Riddell: because I am a lazy bum never doing the fun things... how exactly does post-release KDE release SRUing work in terms of packaging branches? | 07:32 |
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| apachelogger | do we branch trunk into something series specific? | 07:32 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/marble/revision/110/debian/marble.install bug 1312104 consider yourself shouted at | 07:35 |
| ubottu | bug 1312104 in marble (Ubuntu Utopic) "Marble Menu Squashed/Unreadable" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1312104 | 07:35 |
| apachelogger | something looks awfully crapped with the marble packaging | 07:38 |
| soee | good morning | 08:07 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: bug 1312104 ... marble package contains marble and marble-mobile, for utopic I split out marble. should we split for trusty as well (preserving dependencies) or should we go the less intrusive route of also applying the split to trusty? the non-split option would be to hide the marble-mobile desktop file to avoid confusion (which would also not be much worse because marble-mobile seems jolly broken with desktop qml components) | 08:31 |
| ubottu | bug 1312104 in marble (Ubuntu Trusty) "Marble Menu Squashed/Unreadable" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1312104 | 08:31 |
| jussi | hrm, anybody about to confirma a bug for me? | 08:35 |
| jussi | (Kontact users) | 08:35 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: we mostly don't use branches for SRUs | 08:50 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: how does that work with making !SRU changes on the trunk packaging? | 09:05 |
| apachelogger | like say, splitting pacakges | 09:05 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: the bzr branches are for development releases | 09:06 |
| Riddell | so if it's for utopic put it in bzr | 09:06 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: new testers needed for bug 1289600 | 09:10 |
| ubottu | bug 1289600 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu Saucy) "Fix for crashes due to ubuntu-specific accessibility patch" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1289600 | 09:10 |
| jussi | anyway, the bug is this: if you use the search in kontact(email) then use the lock to make search persist even when changing folders, it does not re-search when you move folders. anyone else get that? | 09:26 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: so 4.13.1 SRUs are created on the packages from trusty rather than from any bzr? | 09:44 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: oh backporting the whole SC into -updates I don't know about, backporting into PPA we don't have branches and SRUs for bugfixes we don't tend to have branches | 09:46 |
| apachelogger | yofel: ^? | 09:56 |
| yofel | apachelogger: hm, since last release we do have branches, although I'm not sure whether it's worth the trouble | 10:02 |
| yofel | if you're not against it I would revert the changes in the tools for that | 10:02 |
| yofel | then we would only have devel in bzr, and everything else would be just packages | 10:03 |
| yofel | [00:38:55] -*- lisandro gives everyone Qt 4.8.6 | 10:06 |
| yofel | :D | 10:06 |
| apachelogger | yofel: fine by me, I was just wondering whether we roll the SRUs from bazaar cause that obviously would be bad ^^ | 10:06 |
| yofel | we do for 13.10, but we have '<pkg>-saucy' branches there | 10:07 |
| yofel | or -13.10, I don't quite remember | 10:07 |
| yofel | FWIW, we have 'kubuntu-create-sru-branches' in the tools which initialize those. But I didn't manage to run that on release day so it would require some branch fixing later on to be usable :/ | 10:10 |
| yofel | I would rather remove that, then people don't have to worry about what's where | 10:11 |
| Riddell | doctorpepper: still lots to fix up http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.13.0_precise.html | 10:12 |
| apachelogger | did I mention that the policy says backports for 2 years? | 10:30 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: yes but 4.13 release was 6 hours inside that schedule and doctorpepper did ask nicely | 10:35 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: it however means that .1 .2 .3 will not get backported, rendering the backport moot | 10:36 |
| apachelogger | also I am reasonable certain workspace is oudated as well, so is akonadi .... | 10:37 |
| apachelogger | it's an exiting waste of time | 10:38 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: thx | 10:50 |
| Riddell | kubotu: newversion plasma-nm 0.9.0.11 | 11:04 |
| kubotu | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1312664 | 11:04 |
| sgclark | Riddell: after much failure getting request sync to work, I tried it on another computer with success. libical first attempt is ready. | 12:03 |
| Riddell | sgclark: ooh? where? | 12:04 |
| * Riddell discovers bug 1312689 | 12:04 | |
| ubottu | bug 1312689 in libical (Ubuntu) "Sync libical 1.0-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main) No difference between the two at this time." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1312689 | 12:04 |
| sgclark | yeah there | 12:06 |
| Riddell | sgclark: synced! | 12:06 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning folks | 12:21 |
| sgclark | morning | 12:22 |
| sgclark | Riddell: ScottK: we are at 1.41-1 liblog4perl-perl and unstable is at 1.43-1, how do I proceed? | 12:23 |
| sgclark | liblog-log4perl-perl rather | 12:24 |
| Riddell | sgclark: ubuntu is at 1.41-1.1ubuntu1 | 12:26 |
| Riddell | sgclark: so work out what the ubuntu change is for and then if we want to keep that | 12:26 |
| Riddell | if we do, merge it into the debian 1.43-1 version | 12:26 |
| sgclark | ok | 12:27 |
| sgclark | md5sums do not match obviously | 12:27 |
| Riddell | nope, so start with the .orig from debian | 12:28 |
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| sgclark | Riddell: ok on this one, we drop some dependencies that are not being used at build time yet listed. | 12:57 |
| sgclark | Riddell: so I suspect keep | 12:57 |
| Riddell | sgclark: I think these are dropped because they're not in ubuntu main (they'll be in universe) and packages in main can only build-dep on packages also in main | 12:58 |
| Riddell | so yes I suspect keep too | 12:58 |
| yofel | sgclark: see the last merge changelog entry, that explains why they're gone and what's changed | 12:59 |
| Riddell | assuming someone has written a decent changelog entry :) | 13:06 |
| yofel | Scott wrote the last one ;) | 13:07 |
| Riddell | then I assume he has! | 13:10 |
| sgclark | Riddell: umm sorry irc kicked me. looks like they merged a spelling error patch into one with some cherry picks of other patches. | 13:23 |
| Riddell | sgclark: who what? | 13:26 |
| Riddell | still on liblog-log4perl-perl? | 13:26 |
| sgclark | Riddell: yeah | 13:26 |
| sgclark | Riddell: debian merged one of the patches into a new one, I am going to build with that | 13:26 |
| sgclark | see what happens | 13:27 |
| Riddell | spokes like a ture computer scientist :) | 13:27 |
| * Riddell gets kwin from kf5 working and cheers | 13:27 | |
| * mgraesslin had been at that stage months ago but joins in the cheers nevertheless ;-) | 13:30 | |
| sgclark | Riddell: it builds, kept our changes. Do I do a requestsync? or something else when we keep our changes? | 13:48 |
| Riddell | sgclark: tidy up the package and give me the package | 13:49 |
| Riddell | sgclark: add your own changelog entry with a ubuntu1 version number | 13:49 |
| Riddell | sgclark: merge in the old changelog entries in some sensible way | 13:49 |
| Riddell | debuild -S | 13:49 |
| Riddell | give them to me or ScottK for review | 13:49 |
| yofel | Riddell, sgclark: we have 'merge-changelog' from ubuntu-dev-tools for changelog merging.. | 14:03 |
| sgclark | yofel: noted for next time, thank you | 14:04 |
| * Riddell never trusted that script | 14:04 | |
| yofel | worked fine for me so far | 14:05 |
| apachelogger | there's dpkg-mergechangelogs | 14:08 |
| apachelogger | which might be what merge-changelog uses | 14:08 |
| apachelogger | the dpkg thing is official and works definitely though | 14:09 |
| ScottK | sgclark: If you use the grab-merge script in ubuntu-dev-tools it'll download the last common point in the code, the latest Debian, the latest Ubuntu, and a draft merged package from merges.ubuntu.com. I'd start there. | 14:09 |
| * apachelogger is using that for git merges | 14:09 | |
| sgclark | wow that sounds spiffy and easier. I will try it on next one I do. Finished this and you can find it here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/p8hlhv9lztlyyjl/4RjZyLGlfY/kubuntu-files | 14:12 |
| ScottK | sgclark: Looking. Typically merges.ubuntu.com doesn't help us much for KDE stuff, but for most things in the archive, it's a huge help. | 14:16 |
| sgclark | ScottK: ok ty | 14:18 |
| ScottK | sgclark: It looks like you managed to lose some debian/changelog entries in the merge. Also, for packages that we modify, you need to remember to make the maintainer an Ubuntu one. The update-maintainer script in ubuntu-dev-tools will do this automatically. These things are easy enough to fix, but as a learning exercise, why don't you grab-merge liblog-log4perl-perl and try it that way. Also, once you're done, I'll ask you why we make the | 14:22 |
| ScottK | changes we make. | 14:22 |
| ScottK | Generally good though. | 14:22 |
| sgclark | ScottK: ok | 14:25 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 14:25 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: bug 1312651 | 14:36 |
| ubottu | bug 1312651 in pkg-kde-tools (Ubuntu Utopic) "trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/extractattr', which is also in package pkg-kde-tools 0.14.2ubuntu5" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1312651 | 14:36 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Already done. | 14:36 |
| apachelogger | huh, thx ;) | 14:36 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: did you see my question about the marble thing from earlier? | 14:37 |
| ScottK | If I did, I don't remember it. | 14:37 |
| apachelogger | [10:31] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 1312104 ... marble package contains marble and marble-mobile, for utopic I split out marble. should we split for trusty as well (preserving dependencies) or should we go the less intrusive route of also applying the split to trusty? the non-split option would be to hide the marble-mobile desktop file to avoid confusion (which would also not be much worse because marble-mobile seems jolly broken with | 14:37 |
| ubottu | bug 1312104 in marble (Ubuntu Trusty) "Marble Menu Squashed/Unreadable" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1312104 | 14:37 |
| apachelogger | desktop qml components) | 14:37 |
| apachelogger | there's a logic issue somewhere | 14:38 |
| apachelogger | "or the less intrusive route of not splitting in trusty" ;) | 14:38 |
| ScottK | Right, so if marble-mobile is broken, I'd say just ditch the .desktop. Let's do it the easy way. | 14:38 |
| apachelogger | aye | 14:38 |
| ScottK | We can look at doing the split in trusty if in a point release it gets fixed. | 14:39 |
| ScottK | I don't mind that split because it wouldn't affect anyone who wasn't trying to get marble-mobile to start with (unlike the baloo thing which would have affected all our users). | 14:39 |
| apachelogger | *nod* | 14:40 |
| sgclark | ScottK: is this something I need to worry about http://paste.ubuntu.com/7330229/ | 14:40 |
| ScottK | sgclark: Generally not. I always thought that warning was excessively harsh. It's mostly there to tell you where you can find unreleased packaging changes if you need to look. | 14:41 |
| sgclark | ScottK: ok, yes it had me scared haha | 14:42 |
| ScottK | sgclark: The most interesting part of the REPORT file is where it talks about conflicts. Those have to be manually resolved. | 14:42 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: We do need to decide what baloo kcm we ship for utopic. I think the regular one is a bit basic. | 14:50 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: there's a choice? | 14:52 |
| * yofel didn't realize there's more than one either.. | 14:52 | |
| vHanda | I thought Kubuntu was all about shipping a vanilla kde experience? | 14:52 |
| vHanda | why don't you guys ship tracker? It's config dialog is even better. | 14:53 |
| vHanda | *Its | 14:53 |
| yofel | vHanda: there's the vanilla experience, and then there's usability. And with all the fragmentation in kde going on there won't be any kind of *THE* vanilla kde experience anymore in the future | 14:58 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: there's a choice? | 14:58 |
| yofel | as everyone will ship a random set of application versions | 14:58 |
| apachelogger | as long as every application has a "Did you know" dialog I am happy | 14:59 |
| vHanda | If do you plan to ship the alternate one, then please do it properly. No, one person decision or a decision based on the more vocal users | 14:59 |
| apachelogger | what's the alternate one? | 14:59 |
| yofel | well, we'll have half a year to talk it out | 15:00 |
| vHanda | btw, the plan from my end was always to ship the alternte one (90% is my code, btw) as a separate app | 15:00 |
| apachelogger | mind you, I think there should be no kcm, at best an on/off switch xD | 15:00 |
| * yofel would've been happy with that ^^ | 15:00 | |
| apachelogger | see :P | 15:01 |
| sgclark | ScottK: https://www.dropbox.com/home/Public/kubuntu-files new one | 15:01 |
| sgclark | ScottK: and we made the changes because those depends are used at run-time not build time. | 15:08 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: how was the talk? | 15:18 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: not bad, we had some people following along | 15:18 |
| Quintasan | not much response though | 15:18 |
| Riddell | probably could have done with some more advance notice and publicity | 15:19 |
| Quintasan | Yeah | 15:19 |
| Riddell | thanks for doing it | 15:19 |
| Quintasan | No problem | 15:20 |
| Riddell | kubotu: newversion kde-workspace 4.11.9 | 15:48 |
| kubotu | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1312806 | 15:49 |
| Riddell | do we have any use of SC 4.12.5? | 15:51 |
| yofel | not really | 15:52 |
| Riddell | could update saucy if anyone cares to | 15:52 |
| yofel | would have to be done by hand, we can only script update the latest release we have (4.13) and backport that. Not update an arbitrary release in some PPA | 15:53 |
| Riddell | mm | 15:55 |
| Riddell | let's leave it then :) | 15:55 |
| Darkwing | sometimes I hate the interview process | 16:01 |
| Riddell | "tell us a time you were challenged and how you overcame this" | 16:03 |
| Darkwing | yup lol | 16:04 |
| Riddell | I'm sure Kubuntu could be used for a lot of such questions | 16:07 |
| sgclark | Riddell: unless you have something that needs to be done with extreme urgency, I need to run some errands. | 16:11 |
| Riddell | sgclark: errand away :) | 16:11 |
| sgclark | Riddell: ScottK: https://www.dropbox.com/home/Public/kubuntu-files has the new liblog4perl files done. email me if you have questions or concerns and I will get back to you when I return. | 16:12 |
| sgclark | Riddell: thanks! | 16:12 |
| Darkwing | LOL Riddell | 16:25 |
| Darkwing | Well, I'm happy with my answers and he was too. | 16:25 |
| Darkwing | Plus, the company would be amazing to work for. | 16:25 |
| Riddell | Darkwing: what's the gossip? | 16:29 |
| Darkwing | Riddell: It's the Events Manager for the Linux Foundation. :) | 16:33 |
| Riddell | oh yes that would be lovely | 16:34 |
| Darkwing | Had a second interview today. | 16:34 |
| Riddell | Darkwing: more conferences in edinburgh is the way to go :) | 16:35 |
| Darkwing | I'll def come out and visit lol | 16:35 |
| kubotu | ::workspace-bugs:: [1312806] Please update kde-workspace to 4.11.9 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1312806 (by Kubuntu IRC Bot) | 16:44 |
| kubotu | ::workspace-bugs:: [1312849] kcheckpass fails due to not chmoded 4755 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1312849 (by Jim Peterson) | 17:46 |
| ScottK | sgclark: That url isn't the public one or something. | 18:23 |
| ScottK | can't see the directory. | 18:23 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: marble accepted. | 18:29 |
| sgclark | ScottK: umm, was same folder as earlier | 18:37 |
| sgclark | ScottK; try this, https://www.dropbox.com/sh/p8hlhv9lztlyyjl/4RjZyLGlfY/kubuntu-files | 18:37 |
| ScottK | sgclark: That works. | 18:38 |
| sgclark | super | 18:38 |
| ScottK | sgclark: Almost there. The maintainer should be something in Ubuntu and the original maintainer should be the Debian person. Also, since this is not a Kubuntu specific package, the maintainer should be Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>. If you just delete the XSBC-Original-Maintainer line in debian/control and then run update-maintainer you'll get the right answer. | 18:44 |
| ScottK | sgclark: Also, why do we drop those from Recommends to Suggests? | 18:45 |
| sgclark | ScottK: ok | 18:45 |
| ScottK | A key think about merges is understanding why we have difference with Debian. A lot of people seem to miss that. | 18:45 |
| sgclark | ScottK: The reason I can see is that, those depends are needed at runtime not buildtime. as for suggests by definition is that the depends are related and not functionality | 18:47 |
| ScottK | Build time is described by build-depends. | 18:47 |
| ScottK | This is all about run time. | 18:47 |
| sgclark | ScottK: I admit admit the clear difference is still a bit fuzzy for me | 18:47 |
| ScottK | sgclark: Look at the results of rmadison liblog-dispatch-perl | 18:48 |
| ScottK | Then do the same for liblog-log4perl-perl | 18:49 |
| sgclark | ScottK: dispatch one is Universe is the difference I see | 18:51 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 18:52 |
| ScottK | Sinc liblog-log4perl-perl is in Main, it can't depend on or recommend anything from Universe. | 18:52 |
| sgclark | ScottK: aha! I understand now, thank you | 18:53 |
| ScottK | In this case, whoever initially diverged the package determined it'd make more sense to drop to suggests than to get them promoted to main too. | 18:53 |
| ScottK | sgclark: So get me one with the maintainer fixed and I'll sponsor it for you. | 18:53 |
| sgclark | ScottK: new files in the dropbox :) | 18:54 |
| ScottK | OK. Looking | 18:55 |
| ScottK | Warning: Unknown distribution "uptopic". Do you want to continue [y|N]? | 18:59 |
| ScottK | Oops. | 18:59 |
| sgclark | oops | 18:59 |
| ScottK | My fault. | 18:59 |
| ScottK | sgclark: Uploaded. Thank you for your contribution to Ubuntu. | 19:09 |
| sgclark | ScottK: thank you for your help! | 19:10 |
| ScottK | There's a lot of stuff to learn and you can get exposed to more of it by working on stuff outside Kubuntu every now and then. | 19:11 |
| kubotu | ::workspace-bugs:: [1312895] Cannot login into KDE after upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1312895 (by HugoHirsch) | 19:54 |
| kubotu | ::qt-bugs:: [1312924] package libqt4-dev-bin 4:4.8.3+dfsg-0ubuntu3.3 failed to install/upgrade: impossible de co... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1312924 (by fankrid) | 21:22 |
| ScottK | Riddell: digikam needs a merge and it's more than I can get my head around at the moment. You merged it last time, would you please take a crack at it again. | 22:13 |
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