=== Unismurfhedgehog is now known as SonikkuAmerica
[03:30] <bei> hi, i seem to have a problem; before logging in i was checking out the universal access switches and turned on zooming. once i did that the screen went black although i can usually see and move the mouse. Restarting (my usual fix-all) hasn't fixed or reset anything. is there some way to start in a safe mode to turn zoom off? or is there another better option?
[05:05] <A-Ubuntu-User> greetings. anyone know how to reset gnome in ubuntu 14?
[05:09] <bei> oh, i would love an answer to that too!
[05:09] <A-Ubuntu-User> well, there's a site i found that let's you reset it. but my problem is really weird.
[05:10] <A-Ubuntu-User> here's the line if you just want to reset things.
[05:10] <A-Ubuntu-User> http://askubuntu.com/questions/378769/gnome-shell-installation-problems-in-ubuntu-13-10
[05:10] <A-Ubuntu-User> you'll have to follow the instructions at the very bottom of the webpage too, or it won't work.
[05:11] <A-Ubuntu-User> so, anyone know the sid for the gnome gdm?
[05:15] <bei> thanks, i will check that out... i hope someone can help
[08:54] <dreinull> Whoever is listening, the ubuntu gnome edition is really great. Totally appreciated.
[08:55] <dreinull> I have not used a linux distro more satisfying before.
[08:56] <dreinull> btw. I used the lubuntu installer and then updated to gnome-.desktop because my dvd-drive doesn't read dvds anymore, only cds
[08:56] <dreinull> this has probably been discussed before but since there is nothing online about it, how do I install 3.12?
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[14:01] <SammyMouse_> hello! I am having some ubuntu gnome issues and I was wondering if anyone can give me a hand
[14:04] <SammyMouse_> anyone around?
[14:06] <holstein> SammyMouse_: ?
[14:07] <holstein> SammyMouse_: you just ask, and a volunteer may help
[14:08] <SammyMouse_> ah, I am having two problems, first off: for the life of me I can not get extensions to work. I go to https://extensions.gnome.org/ select one, it asks if I want to install it, I click yes...and nothing happens
[14:10] <SammyMouse_> any ideas?
[14:13] <stratus_ss> anyone about this fine day?
[14:13] <stratus_ss> I am wondering if it is safe to remove gnome documents...i.e. does it break meta packages?
[14:21] <SammyMouse_> some people are around...
[14:23] <stratus_ss> around but silent :D
[14:23] <stratus_ss> i moved from Arch to Ubuntu Gnome 14.04
[14:23] <stratus_ss> I am trying to use a Recently Used Files extension, but it insists on opening stuff in gnome documents
[14:23] <stratus_ss> which is super annoying
[14:24] <stratus_ss> because you know... i actually want to edit the stuff
[14:24] <SammyMouse_> I moved from Elementary OS to Ubuntu Gnome....and I still cant bloody get extension,to work...
[14:25] <SammyMouse_> I wish there was a way to just manually download the Zip  files from https://extensions.gnome.org/...
[14:25] <stratus_ss> ya some of my extensions i had to go to github
[14:25] <stratus_ss> what ones are you having problems with
[14:26] <SammyMouse_> all of them...
[14:27] <SammyMouse_> like...none of them work, I am trying to get a weather one and more so one that allows me to tweak hot corners
[14:29] <majod> does anyone else have problems with fglrx drivers?
[14:30] <majod> i cant get them working, was wondering if that could be this specific distro issue because looks like they work just fine in ubuntu
[14:31] <stratus_ss> Sammy --> i really havent had problems with extensions working
[14:31] <stratus_ss> sammy --> they seem to do what they are supposed to
[14:32] <stratus_ss> majod --> I avoid ATI/AMD based video cards... I have never had a good time with them
[14:32] <majod> i did have good time with them last 15 years on windows.
[14:34] <stratus_ss> didnt matter the OS it hasnt been a good time for me
[14:42] <SammyMouse_> also....I am having trouble with the Dark theme
[14:43] <SammyMouse_> anyone know how to get it to work on the menu of other applications? IE firefox, IRC client, MUD client, Office
[14:45] <SammyMouse_> anyone?
[14:49] <stratus_ss> some of those have to be themed specifically
[14:49] <stratus_ss> there are guides about how to theme firefox etc
[14:52] <SammyMouse_> the older OS I used, when I applied a theme, it effected everything
[14:53] <stratus_ss> ya i am only vaguely familar to be honest. Some of the podcasts I listen to have talked about it
[14:53] <stratus_ss> specifically firefox
[14:53] <stratus_ss> but since i dont really do that, i never really paid attention
[17:07] <majod> anyone using fglrx drivers? im suspecting theyre not working with gnome shell?
[17:18] <sysroot> majod, they're running fine here
[17:18] <sysroot> ubuntu 14.04 + fglrx
[17:18] <sysroot> and gnome-shell
[17:18] <majod> sysroot: thanks, just wanted to be sure
[17:19] <majod> mine suck.
[17:19] <sysroot> okay, you're welcome
[17:19] <sysroot> in ubuntu they're running fine
[17:19] <sysroot> but in Fedora, GNOME is not working after the fglrx installation
[17:19] <majod> i cant get them working in ubuntu gnome
[17:19] <majod> not sure what to do
[17:25] <Forage> majod: bit hard to say anything about it if you don't tell us what the problem is
[17:26] <majod> Forage: sorry, didnt actually expect anyone to help. i tried 4 forums already without any help, but heres my short story: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?99386-How-to-get-Catalyst-14-4-working-on-Ubuntu-14-04
[17:28] <majod> btw already figured out the hw acceleration so thats not an issue anymore
[17:28] <Forage> majod: I'm surprised you got the drivers from amd running on 14.04 in the first place
[17:28] <Forage> 14.04 is not supported yet
[17:29] <majod> there are tons of catalyst benchmarks on phoronix on trusty so i guess it should be working
[17:29] <Forage> and if the open source driver are "awesome", why bother to install amd's in the first place?
[17:29] <majod> because i explained in the post. i want them for gaming
[17:29] <majod> theyre awesome in desktop
[17:30] <sysroot> majod, did you tried installing the fglrx package from the Ubuntu's repositories?
[17:30] <sysroot> i installed them and it's just working fine
[17:30] <Forage> why did the fglrx drivers from ubuntu's repos suck?
[17:30] <Forage> those are working fine for me as well
[17:30] <majod> the same reason as the new one
[17:30] <sysroot> rene@sysroot:~$ dpkg -l | grep fglrx
[17:30] <sysroot> ii  fglrx                                                 2:13.350.1-0ubuntu2                                 amd64        Video driver for the AMD graphics accelerators
[17:30] <sysroot> ii  fglrx-amdcccle                                        2:13.350.1-0ubuntu2                                 amd64        Catalyst Control Center for the AMD graphics accelerators
[17:30] <sysroot> ii  fglrx-pxpress                                         1:0.2.91.4                                          amd64        transitional package for ubuntu-drivers-common
[17:31] <Forage> I'm waiting for 14.04 support before using amd's fglrx again
[17:31] <majod> i installed them from "additional drivers" and did the same thing as 14.4 beta
[17:31] <sysroot> Forage, for me they're working fine too
[17:31] <sysroot> i am using a hybrid graphics stack
[17:31] <sysroot> and everything seems fine
[17:31] <majod> is there anything i can debug/look at?
[17:32] <majod> to see what the problem is
[17:34] <Forage> majod: the problem with which drivers? from amd's website or ubuntu's repos?
[17:34] <majod> both
[17:34] <majod> neither of them works so...
[17:35] <majod> i really have no idea what could go wrong...i installed the OS and the first thing was installing the fglrx
[17:36] <Forage> majod: so the issues are the same with both drivers?
[17:36] <majod> yes, same issues with both
[17:39] <majod> maybe i can try reinstalling the os but im afraid thats just waste of time again
[17:39] <Forage> the glitches and tearing sound like problems I had in the past as well. The only thing that fixed it was waiting for AMD to fix their driver. I suspect your card isn't properly supported yet
[17:40] <majod> well 7850 has its years...
[17:41] <Forage> yeah, unlike GNOME 3.12
[17:41] <majod> ?
[17:41] <Forage> AMD's drivers often break with gnome updates
[17:42] <majod> oh.
[17:43] <Forage> I guess we are lucky with our cards and you aren't. Sorry I can't be more helpful, but based on the issues you describe it sounds like you will have to wait
[17:43] <majod> thank you anyway
[17:44] <Forage> the HW acceleration issue might be because you haven't installed xvba-va-driver
[17:44] <majod> yes, exactly that
[17:44] <sysroot> majod, just to know, what's your graphic card model?
[17:45] <majod> sysroot: sapphire 7850
[17:45] <majod> 2GB
[17:45] <sysroot> mine
[17:45] <sysroot> Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Thames [Radeon HD 7550M/7570M/7650M]
[17:46] <sysroot> Forage, and yours?
[17:46] <majod> well, idk. i guess i only have to wait for miracle in open source drivers...
[17:46] <Forage> HD6950
[17:47] <Forage> majod: don't expect changes for the opensource drivers before 14.10
[17:47] <majod> i added oibaf ppa so i have daily updates
[17:47] <majod> and updated kernel to 3.14
[17:47] <Forage> ok
[17:49] <Forage> AMD supporting new ubuntu releases often takes at least 2-3 months, but fixes for gnome shell could take more then a year (based on past experience)
[17:49] <majod> i will keep trying new versions of catalyst
[17:49] <majod> its painful to always revert back to 3.13 kernel, but worth trying :)
[17:50] <Forage> do make sure you properly remove the drivers when switching back to the open source drivers
[17:50] <Forage> otherwise you might get issues there as well
[17:51] <majod> too bad gpu drivers are still so bad on linux
[17:51] <majod> i think thats the biggest issue on linux desktops usually
[17:52] <Forage> they have made a lot of progress in the last 1-2 year, closed as well as open source
[17:52] <Forage> at least speed-wise, not feature-wise unfortunately
[17:53] <Forage> valve is a big motivation as well
[17:53] <majod> yeah i read a lot before migrating to linux so i was really hoping for the best...well its not so bad with open source drivers, but the game performance is sometimes much much worse than i used to have on windows...
[18:12] <Forage> An issue I raised yesterday as well:
[18:12] <Forage> I'm a bit confused about the staging ppa. Should the other 2 ppa's be enabled as well when using staging with 14.04?
[18:12] <Forage> I enabled all 3 ppa's and installed all updates. Tracker, however, was having some issues and because of it I noticed I've got 0.16 as well as 1.0 installed now. The former available in the stable ppa, the latter available in the staging ppa.
[18:12] <Forage> should the 0.16 version be deleted or can and should they coexist?
[18:22] <stratus_ss> tracker changed its naming convention i believe
[18:23] <stratus_ss> the problem is that there was problems with their naming that caused issues with package deps
[18:24] <stratus_ss> so it could very well remove things you didnt intend if you move one version or the other
[18:46] <Forage> stratus_ss: ok, removed all 0.16 packages
[18:47] <Forage> stratus_ss: no other packages complained about depending on them
[18:48] <stratus_ss> what packages did you install from which repo?
[18:49] <Forage> I didn't install any specific packages, I updated from 13.10 to 14.04 which gave me tracker 0.16, with the staging ppa 1.0 was added
[18:49] <stratus_ss> staging (which is the 3.11/3.12) has the tracker 1.0
[18:49] <stratus_ss> the gnome 3 stable ppa has the apps that depend on  0.16.4
[18:50] <stratus_ss> ya so there is a possibility that functionality may be missing
[18:50] <stratus_ss> in some
[18:50] <stratus_ss> so for exaple (i am just going off the top of my head)
[18:51] <stratus_ss> if you had bijiben 3.10 and it has a build dep of tracker 0.16.4, it wont necessarily rip out bijiben
[18:51] <stratus_ss> but bijiben may have some missing functionality
[18:51] <Forage> rats
[18:51] <stratus_ss> darkxst knows this stuff a lot better than i do
[18:51] <stratus_ss> I have only been working with him since december
[18:51] <stratus_ss> so I am still super green
[18:52] <Forage> luckily I don't have bijiben, but I'll check on the other stable packages
[18:53] <stratus_ss> if you are curious at all, you can do an apt-get source <package name>
[18:53] <stratus_ss> then you look in the debian/control (or control.in) file
[18:53] <stratus_ss> this will tell you package dependencies and versions (if there is a specific version required
[18:53] <Forage> on tracker or packages possibly using tracker?
[18:54] <stratus_ss> packages possibly using tracker
[18:55] <Forage> gnome-system-monitor is the only trusty package in stable not in staging
[18:56] <stratus_ss> its quite possible that you will be fine then
[18:56] <Forage> but that doesn't mean there aren't any packages in the other repositories that require 0.16 of course...
[18:56] <stratus_ss> dont take my word as gospel truth though
[18:56] <stratus_ss> i just help out with the packaging
[18:56] <stratus_ss> in the gnome3 ppa
[18:57] <Forage> the staging ppa description should need an update
[18:57] <Forage> "To use this PPA, you should enable the main GNOME3 PPA and gnome3-next PPA (Saucy only) too."
[18:57] <stratus_ss> ya Tim is really busy
[18:57] <Forage> but that line is from before trusty, so you can't tell if it applies to trusty or not
[18:57] <stratus_ss> you can file a bug if you like
[18:58] <stratus_ss> ya i understand your meaning :)
[18:58] <stratus_ss> i mean file a bug to get the ppa changed
[18:59] <Forage> yeah
[18:59] <stratus_ss> I dont think i have rights to change that
[18:59] <Forage> I don't have an option to file a bug in the ppa bugs section
[19:00] <Forage> I always get lost in launchpad :-S
[19:01] <stratus_ss> ya i am not super awsome at it... i actually always navigate from my 'home' screen
[19:01] <Forage> is contacting the team's admin acceptable?
[19:01] <stratus_ss> I dont know why not (though I am not the the official voice :) )
[19:05] <Forage> done