[00:00] <Hashcode> it's bombing out building the boot.img, something isn't where it's expected
[00:00] <rsalveti> right
[00:19] <Leon1990> hello
[00:20] <Leon1990> I was wondering if anyone was around that could help answer a question about detecting ubuntu touch, installed on a nexus 4 on a ubuntu laptop
[00:27] <bact> detecting?
[00:32] <Leon1990> after install ubuntu touch on the phhone i pluged it into my laptop in order to use the dd commands to make a clone of the hard drive. however the phone does not show up when doing any fdisk commands
[00:33] <Leon1990> I've checked with a normal usb stick and that comes up on fdisk. it just seems the phone dosent show up. which is odd since i can access the phones storage though the GUI
[00:34] <Leon1990> it also shows up when i use the lsusb command
[01:12] <dobey> Leon1990: it's not a disk. it's an MTP device. it's not using usb storage, but MTP
[01:14] <Leon1990> thank you dobey. I've been readding though the technical support for it and i think my best bet is to ssh into the phone and do the ssh though there as i cant seem to make a clone though the adb commands
[01:16] <Leon1990> do the dd though there*
[01:20] <dobey> why are you trying to create a disk image of your phone anyway?
[01:20] <dobey> it's a phone, not a disk
[01:23] <Leon1990> curious to see whats left on the phone after converting from android to ubuntu touch.
[01:23] <Leon1990> the best was i thought of doing this was using dd to clone it. though its become a lot more hassle than i thought
[01:27] <Leon1990> unless anyone has a simple way of being able to clone a ubuntu touch phone's harddrive
[01:47] <bact> Leon1990: you own a smartphone with a harddrive? Goodness gracious
[01:49] <Leon1990> oh you know what i mean, tiny little flash disk probbably
[01:49] <Leon1990> on the + side i did finally find the directory for the MTP phone without ssh
[01:49] <dobey> same "hard drive" that's in the chromebook
[01:50] <Leon1990> hiding inside the user/myusername/gvfs/
[01:50] <dobey> i wonder what the heck is going on with audio and ofono on the nexus5 though
[01:50] <Leon1990> theres a nexus 5?
[01:50] <cwayne> dobey, i did notice audio issues, but ofono was working fine on mine
[01:52] <dobey> cwayne: well, i presume it's ofono. i've been using my voicemail number to test with, and right now my phone is in this weird state where the first time, the call will go through, but there will be no audio. then i can call again, and there will be audio. and then all further calls just get dropped
[01:52] <dobey> it's really weird
[01:53] <dobey> and i'm not fond of how the contacts stuff works right now. not sure if there's anything i can do to fix it though
[01:56] <nhaines> dobey: I actually haven't managed to make any phone calls with my phone yet.  :)
[01:57] <nhaines> I've noticed if I play music long enough on the Nexus 5, it stops distorting.
[01:59] <dobey> nhaines: just switching "stations" in grooveshark a couple times results in smooth audio in that app at least
[01:59] <dobey> i only have on song on the phone at the moment (i don't tend to use my phone for music anyway)
[02:06] <dobey> anyway, gotta go
[02:42] <not-rww> popey: I was asked to ask when Stallboard is coming to Ubuntu Desktop
[03:20] <nhaines> hahaha
[03:20] <nhaines> not-rww: it'll run already if you grab the files.
[03:36] <george__> hello all :)
[04:59] <Hashcode> ping rsalveti
[06:58] <dholbach> good morning
[07:38] <n3tJ4ckr> Morning
[08:03] <slvn_> hello
[08:03] <slvn_>  put the UbuntuPhone image #303 on my tablet Nexus10. The scrolling is very slow / jerky / flickering !
[08:08] <ogra_> slvn_, in the browser you mean ?
[08:10] <slvn_> yes, in the web-browser only.  The main *desktop* scrolling is fine. also the left/right panels scrolling are fine.
[08:10] <ogra_> mind to file a bug ? the N10 didnt get as much attention as the 2013 N7
[08:10] <ogra_> against webbrowser-app
[08:11] <ogra_> (or probably davmor2 or popey know if there is one open already
[08:11] <ogra_> )
[08:12] <popey> not aware of that
[08:14] <slvn_> ogra_, ok, I can file a bug report  and/or check if one is already opened !
[08:26] <slvn_> ogra_,  done, created : https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1312588
[08:27] <ogra_> thanks !
[08:27] <davmor2> slvn_: there is a bug for ugliness of the n10 and scrolling
[08:28] <davmor2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1301380
[08:30] <slvn_> davmor2, Sorry, I couldn't find it though I try to search for some ! (I am a new user to launchpad)
[08:31] <davmor2> slvn_: it's not a worry
[08:34] <slvn_> also, a little user feedback :  It would be nice to have a way to disable the "haptic" feedback when touching the screen.
[08:45] <davmor2> slvn_: yeah still early days really.  we also need haptic feedback to be enabled on the keyboard which is where most people have it turned on, and also turned off when taking a photo so it doesn't blur pictures etc etc we'll get there though honest :)
[08:46] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:47] <slvn_> davmor2, ok, I understand!
[08:48] <davmor2> slvn_: I think the main plan is to get everything working before we work on making it not we are mostly there but not quite :)
[08:50] <slvn_> I have a more precised question. I want to develop apps in C/C++ for UbuntuPhone. Actually my apps already exists for Android/Ios/WinRT/WinPhone. They are build on top of SDL and I want to port them for Ubuntu Phone.
[08:52]  * popey looks for the question ... 
[08:52] <slvn_> Any Idea how to port SDL to Ubuntu Phone and/or to  develop app in c/c++ for UbuntuPhone ? I dont need QT but I can include dummy file/stuff.
[08:53] <popey> SDL already has support for Mir, that was added a while back, however I don't think SDL devs have released a version since which includes it
[08:55] <slvn_> Yes, I saw there was support for Mir/Wayland added. I use the SDL trunk anyway.
[08:55] <slvn_> I try to foresee the steps to get SDL compiled for UbuntuPhone.
[08:56] <slvn_> I guess I should cross compiled it for ARMEAB + enable MIR ?
[08:56] <popey> that would be an interesting exercise
[08:56] <popey> I have had that at the bottom of my to-do list for ages
[08:57] <popey> but things keep arriving at the top of the stack, pushing it down
[08:58] <slvn_> Which toolchain should I use ? the one from the Android NDK ? I also should have the MIR Header Sync-ed ?
[08:59] <popey> Not sure, might be better asking in #ubuntu-mir tbh
[08:59] <slvn_> I have the Ubuntu 14.04 install on my machine, but I think this version is not yet using MIR.
[08:59] <slvn_> ok, will ask :)
[09:03] <popey> no, desktop doesn't use mir, but you can certainly install the deps needed to build things against it
[09:04] <popey> although you'll need an armhf chroot to build for the phone
[09:41]  * ogra_ finally found the time to update the manual install instructions 
[09:43] <davmor2> popey: I thought that was multiarch now or is that just for debugging and I'm getting mixed up
[09:44] <popey> yes
[09:45] <davmor2> popey: ah it's debugging I couldn't remember if I'd had to build a package aswell as dbg-sym'ing one
[11:27] <jammy_> hi
[11:29] <jammy_> is it pssible to install ubuntu in my sony mobile
[11:29] <jammy_> now it is working with android ics
[11:46] <davmor2> jammy_: probably not
[11:52] <ogra_> !devices| jammy_
[11:52] <ogra_> jammy_, if it is not on that list you would have to do a port yourself (which is non-trivial)
[11:52] <jammy_> k
[11:53] <ogra_> (you can also search on the xda forums, sometimes there are ports that are not listed on the wiki)
[12:11] <Tassadar> "generic" and "generic_x86" devices on s-i.u.com are for the emulator, right?
[12:11] <Mirv> dbarth: is there a sort of summary on what's using Oxide and what's using QtWebKit still? mitya57 would like to sync up Debian's QtWebKit 5.2 to Ubuntu (14.10), and I'm wondering whether we've some blockers still
[12:12] <tvoss> jdstrand, lool did you guys have a chance to look at http://androidxref.com/4.4.2_r2/xref/hardware/libhardware/include/hardware/keymaster.h
[12:12] <Mirv> dbarth: for example, do the OpenGL game website apps still use QtWebKit or Oxide?
[12:15] <sergiusens> Tassadar: yes
[12:15] <jdstrand> tvoss: I have not seen it until just now. I guess that corresponds to https://android.googlesource.com/platform/system/security/+/70e3a86abd2c412d602a018967c01c177eb6cf4e
[12:15] <dbarth> Mirv: hi
[12:16] <tvoss> jdstrand, yup, seems so
[12:16] <tvoss> jdstrand, just stumbled across it, too
[12:16] <dbarth> Mirv: you mean the webapps using the new oxide runtime, vs the old qtwebkit one?
[12:16] <dbarth> Mirv: th selection is made with the framework
[12:16] <Mirv> dbarth: yes
[12:17] <dbarth> framework 13-10 is qtwebkit only
[12:17] <dbarth> 14.04{-dev} is oxide only
[12:17] <jdstrand> well, the html5 stull is still qtwebkit, no?
[12:17] <Mirv> dbarth: right, so old framework == qtwebkit, and if an app has not been updated from 13-10 it's still qtwebkit?
[12:17] <jdstrand> like hangonman is using the html5 container
[12:17] <dbarth> Mirv: hmm, modulo the UbuntuView release numer, but for webapps that's irrelevant
[12:17] <jdstrand> (and cordova)
[12:18] <dbarth> Mirv: yes, correct; and we transparently do the qtwebkit redirection for old apps
[12:18] <jdstrand> s/stull/stuff/
[12:18] <dbarth> jdstrand: correct yes
[12:18] <jdstrand> Mirv: so it is more than just webapps that should be considered
[12:18] <dbarth> Mirv: ^^ html5 apps, ie apps written with the html5 SDK use qtwebkit still
[12:18] <dbarth> the switch to oxide is in progress, for next week or so
[12:18] <jdstrand> nice
[12:19] <Mirv> dbarth: ok. eventually the qtwebkit does need to be updated (in 1-2 months) in 14.10 anyhow, so I guess we mostly need to make sure those OpenGL game apps are updated that had problems running with 5.2
[12:19] <Mirv> oh, nice, more oxide migration
[12:19] <lool> tvoss: you mean it might be affected by recent OpenSSL issues?
[12:20] <lool> tvoss: this looks like the java keystore API, with pluginified storage
[12:20] <jdstrand> Mirv: my sarcasm detector is confused :) I'm going to strip out the sarcasm and say "why, yes it is :)"
[12:20] <jdstrand> s/the/any/
[12:20] <tvoss> lool, nope, more like "interesting stuff", wonder if anyone else has stumbled across it
[12:20] <Mirv> jdstrand: no sarcasm intended, sincere "nice" :)
[12:21] <Mirv> since qtwebkit is not security updated among else
[12:21] <jdstrand> yes! :)
[12:30] <sil2100> dbarth: hi!
[12:31] <sil2100> dbarth: do you think any of your landings (lines 34, 36, 37) can be assigned for an SRU?
[12:31] <sil2100> dbarth: I see 36 is not ready and 37 is rather U, but what about 34?
[12:32] <sil2100> dbarth: could you prepare the bugs for SRU? :)
[12:32] <sil2100> Or is that non-SRUable
[12:32] <didrocks> sil2100: seems they are not set as "ready yes", no?
[12:32] <sil2100> didrocks: 34 is set to ready yes
[12:32] <sil2100> didrocks: as I mentioned, this one is of interest to me
[12:32] <didrocks> yep
[12:34] <dbarth> sil2100: i love to have a silo yes
[12:34] <dbarth> sil2100: are there some available now?
[12:34] <dbarth> sil2100: the SRU pack one should be made of SRU bugs, or close to
[12:34] <dbarth> sil2100: ie, i can add the SRU stanza to those missing it
[12:34] <sil2100> dbarth: we have 1 free right now (more soon), but since it doesn't make sense to assign for U right now, we're looking for anything that is 'SRU-related' that we can use it for
[12:35] <sil2100> dbarth: so just poke me once you have a landing that we can assign
[12:36] <pmcgowan> popey, how do terminal app users enter things like Ctrl? or do they just not
[12:36] <ogra_> pmcgowan, tap and hold
[12:36] <sil2100> pmcgowan: there's an additional menu appearing on long-press
[12:37] <popey> what they said
[12:38] <pmcgowan> so I see the other chars, but how do I get ctrl-c?
[12:38] <ogra_> pmcgowan, tap and hold until the circle shows ... move thumb to C
[12:38] <pmcgowan> oh wowser
[12:39] <pmcgowan> ogra_, thanks, was tapping the osk
[12:39] <ogra_> heh
[12:39] <pmcgowan> how about alt?
[12:39] <ogra_> pmcgowan, double tapping gets you the tab key
[12:39]  * ogra_ hasnt seen alt 
[12:39] <jdstrand> pmcgowan: also, for things not listed in the long press (eg, Esc), there is a toolbar entry for exposing various panels
[12:40] <jdstrand> something fast for Esc would be cool
[12:40]  * pmcgowan never used terminal
[12:40] <ogra_> we could add it to the hud
[12:40] <ogra_> next to the "Hack into NSA" option :)
[12:40] <pmcgowan> hud going away at some point
[12:41] <jdstrand> yeah, I just noticed that
[12:41] <popey> could we have a custom keyboard layout for terminal?
[12:41] <jdstrand> if someone decides on a custom kb layout, make sure they are a vim user
[12:41] <jdstrand> :)
[12:41] <ogra_> ++
[12:41] <popey> we have had people ask for dvorak for example
[12:41] <pmcgowan> popey, thats the bug I was looking at
[12:41] <pmcgowan> not sure how to do that
[12:41] <Tassadar> ogra_: I've updated the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices page a little bit and added my server
[12:42] <popey> surely it's just another layout like UK, US, FR etc?
[12:42] <pmcgowan> yeah but do you want it on all the time?
[12:42] <dbarth> sil2100: i think line 36 applies, let me ping you back once the bugs are ready for it
[12:42] <dbarth> sil2100: but keep the silo for me please ;)
[12:42] <ogra_> Tassadar, yay, thanks a lot !!!
[12:43] <Tassadar> at least it no longer refers to 'quantal' ^^
[12:43] <ogra_> pmcgowan, hud going away like ... going away completely ?
[12:43] <jdstrand> yeah, I thought it was just being redone or something
[12:43] <pmcgowan> ogra_, until it emerges redesigned I am told
[12:43] <pmcgowan> make way for the bottom edge
[12:44] <ogra_> yup, i heard that ... just not that the hud would go away
[12:44] <popey> pmcgowan: pretty sure dvorak users use dvorak 100% of the time.
[12:44] <sergiusens> Tassadar: ogra_ that devices page is so outdated I don't know where to start fixing.. :-/
[12:45] <ogra_> yeah :(
[12:45] <popey> Q: "How do you know someone uses dvorak layout?". A: "Aysh ostt isa!"
[12:45] <Tassadar> yeah, me too, so I left most of it as-is :/
[12:45] <ogra_> especially since most ports are pretty dead or use the quantal MWC image
[12:57] <fps> hi, i got this nexus 4 mainly to checkout ubuntu touch. but it's too unstable for me (as could be exepcted) and now i think about dual booting..
[12:57] <fps> for this i need to install an android first though it seems
[12:58] <ogra_> dbarth, hmm, is there a bug open for "webapp does not take any input anymore after external link was opened in webbrowser" ?
[12:58] <fps> is there a guide for how to install a custom android rom on a phone that has ubuntu touch?
[12:58] <fps> it seems i need to install android first to be able to then install ubuntu touch for dual booting
[13:01] <fps> ok, i found it i think :D
[13:08] <pmcgowan> ogra_, osk won't come up or any input?
[13:08] <ogra_> i cant scroll
[13:08] <ogra_> i can releav the toolbar but hitting back does nothing
[13:08] <ogra_> *reveal
[13:08] <pmcgowan> hmm
[13:09] <dbarth> ogra_: uh
[13:09] <dbarth> ogra_: no there is not
[13:09] <dbarth> ogra_: no input, like touches?
[13:10] <ogra_> pmcgowan, to reproduce: install golem-de app ... click on "ticker" in the menu at the top, pick the "Init-dienst" article ... scroll down to last paragraph and click on any link
[13:10] <ogra_> then close the browser via the hud, swipe the golem app back on screen and notice you can move anything
[13:10] <dbarth> hmm, ok, trying now
[13:10] <pmcgowan> dbarth, do we use url dispatcher I assume?
[13:11] <pmcgowan> been seeing several focus related issues lately
[13:16] <dbarth> pmcgowan: yes
[13:16] <dbarth> ogra_: can you file a bug for this one please?
[13:16] <ogra_> will do
[13:33] <dbarth> ogra_: i can reproduce the issue, but do you think that's the container or the shell that is stealing input?
[13:33] <ogra_>  i think it is the renderer losing it
[13:33] <ogra_> input is till there on shell level ... you can swipe in the toolbar and hud
[13:34] <ogra_> you can just not do anything with the content
[13:41] <pmcgowan> dbarth, I clicked a link in an SMS and everything worked fine fwiw
[13:46] <lool> pmcgowan: first WAP push!
[13:46] <pmcgowan> lool, what where
[13:46] <lool> pmcgowan: a link in an SMS...
[13:46] <lool> ;-)
[13:47] <ogra_> dbarth, bug 1312754
[13:54] <pmcgowan> lool, ah, does that count ;)
[14:04] <jdstrand> dbarth: hey, I tried the googlecalendar webapp but it stopped being able to launch. is this a known issue?
[14:05] <jdstrand> pmcgowan: hey, I keep hearing about calendar sync in the calendar app. are there instructions on how to use it?
[14:06] <dbarth> ogra_: thanks
[14:06] <dbarth> jdstrand: nope
[14:06] <dbarth> jdstrand: where does it stop?
[14:06] <dbarth> jdstrand: you're talking about the mobile one?
[14:06] <pmcgowan> jdstrand, enable your gogle account and turn on sync I believe
[14:09] <pmcgowan> oSoMoN, is this bug still valid https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1236360
[14:33] <jdstrand> dbarth: yes, the mobile one. I got it to start once, logged in, then never have been able to get it to start. the screen just flashes when I click the icon on in the dash
[14:33] <jdstrand> pmcgowan: ah-- and that will work with 2fa? (ie, the canonical calendar?)
[14:33] <pmcgowan> jdstrand, I beleive that got that fixed, but I have not tried recently
[14:34] <pmcgowan> jdstrand, checking with renato
[14:34] <jdstrand> now I need to decide if I want to negate the benefit of 2fa since I have the authenticator app on the phone...
[14:35] <jdstrand> dbarth: ie, it worked once, then never again
[14:42] <dbarth> jdstrand: any error message?
[14:42] <dbarth> jdstrand: i just retested and closed and opened it again here
[14:42] <dbarth> hmm, on 302 though
[14:42] <dbarth> might need to update a bit
[14:45] <jdstrand> dbarth: no error message. I don't even see the browser-- just a flash and its gone. I don't see anything output in .cache/upstart either
[14:46] <jdstrand> dbarth: I have to step away for a bit. I'll try to delete all the app specific directories and try again
[14:46] <pmcgowan> dbarth, there's nothing newer than 302 really
[14:48] <dbarth> pmcgowan: right, but in any case, i'm trying
[14:49] <dbarth> jdstrand: don't forget to re-add the extra pattern file for now
[14:49] <dbarth> jdstrand: unless you want to help test silo 005 with the new oauth code
[14:49] <dbarth> pmcgowan: this should eliminate the need for the conf. file soon
[14:50] <jdstrand> ok
[14:50] <pmcgowan> dbarth, great
[14:53] <cwayne> ogra_, huh, bootchart doesn't seem to make any pngs after the first run of phablet-bootchart
[14:53] <ogra_> oh ?
[14:53] <ogra_> any errors ?
[14:53] <ogra_> works here
[14:53] <cwayne> ogra_, yeah, after some reboots i just have the .tgz, but no .pngs
[14:54] <ogra_> you should have a png in the dir where you executed phablet-bootchart ... thats weird
[14:54] <cwayne> ogra_, i did for that first boot
[14:54] <ogra_> what is your host running ?
[14:55] <cwayne> but after phablet-bootchart's run once, shouldnt i get it in /var/log/bootchart on each reboot?
[14:55] <ogra_> probably a bug in pybootchartgui
[14:55] <ogra_> no
[14:55] <ogra_> no pngs on the device
[14:55] <ogra_> they get created on your desktop from the tarball data
[14:56] <cwayne> oooh ok
[15:51] <popey> beuno / cjwatson do you know if we're planning on adding cryptographically signing to click packages?
[15:52] <popey> one of our devs brought up the idea that Alice could send Bob a 'com.ubuntu.facebook.click' which bob installs because it has smileys, it replaces the onboard com.ubuntu.facebook and that app now has access to his data.
[15:52] <popey> Now it does mean he has to push the file to the device and manually install it, circumventing the store.
[15:52] <popey> but it's possible.
[15:53] <cjwatson> We talked about it a while back, there's a design, not currently on the roadmap although not *hugely* hard
[15:53] <cjwatson> Although I didn't think that com.ubuntu.facebook.click would automatically get access to com.ubuntu.facebook's data
[15:54] <cjwatson> But I don't know the apparmor policies that well
[15:54] <popey> well it's effectively the same app, so figured it must
[15:54] <cjwatson> Oh, you mean com.ubuntu.facebook_VERSION_ARCH.click
[15:54] <cjwatson> Not com.ubuntu.facebook.click_VERSION_ARCH.click
[15:54] <popey> yeah, a package crafted to look like any other click package
[15:54] <popey> which isnt hard to create, but the store would reject it
[15:55] <popey> because it's outside Alice's namespace
[15:55] <cjwatson> I think we still want to be able to force that locally, but it should indeed produce a warning of some kind
[15:55] <cjwatson> The Android approach is that it has to be the same key as last time, roughly
[15:55] <cjwatson> But you can uninstall/reinstall
[15:55] <popey> Right.
[15:55] <cjwatson> (I've used this myself to install modified versions of free software apps)
[15:56] <cjwatson> But I have to go nowish, sorry
[15:56] <popey> ok ☻
[15:58] <cjwatson> popey: there are some links in the fifth row of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppStore/Decisions FWIW
[15:58] <popey> ta
[16:04] <oSoMoN> pmcgowan, yes, bug #1236360 is still valid (just tested on N7) (sorry for the delay, just saw your ping)
[16:05] <pmcgowan> oSoMoN, ok will update and assign it then, is it in osk or jst uitk?
[16:05] <oSoMoN> pmcgowan, in uitk I think
[16:06] <oSoMoN> pmcgowan, the attached reproducers are outdated, I’ll attach an updated one
[16:06] <pmcgowan> oSoMoN, ok ty
[16:20]  * daker thinks that all .de webapps on the store are coming from ogra_
[16:20] <ogra_> lol
[16:20] <ogra_> could be :)
[16:20] <ogra_> someone is competing with me with .fr apps now though :)
[16:20] <mhall119> shouldn't they be region-specific?
[16:20] <ogra_> (why doesnt the click lens not show the developer name anymore)
[16:21] <ogra_> mhall119, uh, why ? i dont want to exclude americans that can read german from my apps
[16:21] <daker> mhall119: yes but it's optionnal, it's up to the dev to specify the region
[16:22] <mhall119> ogra_: are they language-specific, or geography specific?
[16:22] <ogra_> language
[16:22] <mhall119> ah, ok, nevermind then
[16:22] <ogra_> most of them are webapp wrappers for news sites
[16:22]  * ogra_ has a script to mass-produce them ... 
[16:23] <mhall119> apps like LaPoste....don't seem like they'd be useful to an American even if they spoke french
[16:23] <ogra_> looking up stamp prices while you travel in france ?
[16:23] <mhall119> then I can install it while I'm in france
[16:24] <seb128> you can poste letters to somebody in France using the service
[16:24] <mhall119> seb128: I can use that app to send letters *from* the USA?
[16:24] <seb128> like if you want to send a traditional mail letter to didrocks
[16:24] <seb128> mhall119, yes, you can type online and have them print/deliver it
[16:24] <ogra_> SMS to paper :)
[16:25] <mhall119> that's a thing?
[16:25] <ogra_> or message to paper
[16:25] <seb128> dunno anyone doing it, but they provide the service
[16:25] <ogra_> german postal service offers that too ...
[16:25] <ogra_> but its cheaper to travel to the person and say it in his/her face :P
[16:25] <mhall119> maybe what's needed then is a language filter for the dash
[16:26] <ogra_> (with a rental car)
[16:26] <mhall119> you've convinced me that LaPoste may be useful to me, as an American in the USA, but I can't *read* it
[16:26] <ogra_> a good reason to take a frenc course then :)
[16:26] <mhall119> I did
[16:26] <ogra_> *french
[16:26] <ogra_> tzen blame your teacher
[16:26] <ogra_> *then
[16:27] <mhall119> I blame the language, the syntax was too unstructured, white space was barely relevant to flow control, and it had strong gender typing
[16:28] <popey> NERD
[16:28] <mhall119> :)
[16:29] <dobey> popey: no, in french it's LE NERD
[16:29] <mhall119> oh, so nerd is masculine? Why's it got to be that way?
[16:29] <ogra_> isnt is LA ?
[16:29] <mhall119> oh, so nerd is feminine? Why's it got to be that way?
[16:29] <ogra_> LOL
[16:30] <popey> Owl has no time for your nerd games  (ʘ∇ʘ)ク 彡 ┻━┻
[16:30] <dobey> The owls are not what they seem.
[16:55] <mhall119> bzoltan1: I'm trying to build Trojita on a click chroot, but I'm getting http://paste.ubuntu.com/7331105/
[16:56] <mhall119> working on unmodified upstream
[17:05] <popey> mhall119: DanChapman was trying to build in qtc also earlier and coming a cropper
[17:07] <DanChapman> mhall119:  I had that earliercreating a new click target seemed to solve it. I'm now struggling with it saying can't open / find manifest
[17:08] <mhall119> DanChapman: I created the new click target, still having that issue :(
[17:10] <DanChapman> mhall119: do the click files have to be in the root of the build dir? I've placed them in trojita/qtc_packaging/click_ubuntu/ since jkt will not accept a patch for them to be in the src rootdir :-/
[17:11] <mhall119> DanChapman: what we can do is have cmake copy them from qtc_packaging/click_ubuntu/ into the build target directory root
[17:11] <mhall119> I agree with jkt on this, they shouldn't be in the trojita project root
[17:12] <DanChapman> mhall119: that's what i'm trying :-) and it don't work atm. Plus QtC is going to create new manifests in root each time you open the project even though we have put them elsewhere
[17:13] <mhall119> yeah, I talked to bzoltan1 about qtcreator always making new ones in the project root a while ago
[17:13] <mhall119> for now, we can tell git to ignore them so they won't get placed into the repo
[17:16] <DanChapman> mhall119: ok cool, do these look ok to you https://github.com/dpniel/trojita/tree/run_on_touch/qtc_packaging/click_ubuntu
[17:19] <mhall119> DanChapman: the only thing I'm not sure about is the name, I'd been using net.flaska.trojita
[17:19] <mhall119> popey: ^^ can we use a name like that in the click store?
[17:19] <DanChapman> cool i'll change that. That wouldn't stop it from running now though would it?
[17:19] <mhall119> or will it need to be com.ubuntu.developer.*
[17:20] <mhall119> DanChapman: it wont' stop it, no, as long as it matches what's in the applicationName property of the MainView
[17:20] <mhall119> my only concern is the app store policy
[17:20] <mhall119> beuno: ^^ maybe you can weight in on that
[17:29] <dobey> pmcgowan: yay! you assigned my keyboard bug. will be very happy to see that fixed :)
[17:29] <pmcgowan> dobey, it is annoying I admit
[17:33] <dobey> pmcgowan: indeed. even more so now that i have a device that ubuntu supports screen rotation on. sometimes the keyboard will pop up in the wrong orientation (but not sure where exactly that bug belongs yet)
[17:33] <Tassadar> dobey: on my n5, it tries to rotate every time the phone vibrates for some reason, the sensitivity is way to high
[17:33] <dobey> possibly a side effect of the rotation sensing being overly sensitive, and the "oh you tapped something" vibration existing
[17:34] <dobey> Tassadar: yeah, same here
[17:34] <dobey> Tassadar: but sometimes only the keyboard is rotated, the app will remain in portrait mode, but the keyboard pops up in landscape
[17:34] <Tassadar> but I don't think the screen rotation is in a state bug reports like that are valuable
[17:34] <Tassadar> yet
[17:34] <pmcgowan> dobey, it should not pop in wrong orientation, thought we fixed all of those
[17:34] <Tassadar> heh, didn't notice that, but I don't use it very much
[17:34] <dobey> pmcgowan: it does sometimes on my nexus 5
[17:35] <pmcgowan> dobey, file against keyboard then
[17:35] <dobey> pmcgowan: but it could be something else causing it there. like Tassadar, the rotation/vibration bit is extremely sensitive
[17:35] <pmcgowan> especially if you can reproduce it
[17:35] <pmcgowan> that would be down lower in the service
[17:36] <dobey> yeah
[17:36] <pmcgowan> wonder if its worse on n5
[17:36] <pmcgowan> but being out of sycn with the app rotation is osk
[17:36] <dobey> probably, the n5 is lighter than the n4 at least
[17:36] <dobey> hmm, ok
[17:36] <pmcgowan> I mean, it could be the service and timing, but fine to track it there
[17:36] <dobey> i'll take a screenshot next time it happens
[17:36] <pmcgowan> ok
[17:45] <DanChapman> mhall119: where is the run configuration defined? it seems to be set to 'trojita' as default which doesn't seem right since binary etc is 'trojita-ubu'
[17:47] <Hashcode> rsalveti: ping
[17:47] <mhall119> DanChapman: under the "project" section, I found I had to remove the run configuration and re-add it, then it worked
[17:48] <mhall119> fwiw, mine was looking for ${BUILD_DIR}/armhf/trojita-ubu not ${BUILD_DIR}/trojita
[17:48] <mhall119> DanChapman: I noticed that with the latest upstream, we're back to showing the oldest email at the top, rather than the newest, was that intentional?
[17:49] <DanChapman> mhall119:  o.O let me check that, is that the latest as in last 30 mins or so?
[17:50] <DanChapman> What's the 'Ubuntu Project'  run configuration?
[17:51] <mhall119> no idea, I don't have that
[17:52] <mhall119> DanChapman: v0.4.1-182-g7970633 is the version I'm testing
[17:56] <DanChapman> mhall119: that would be a bug. I'll fix that now
[19:03] <rsalveti> Hashcode: pong
[19:03] <Hashcode> rsalveti: i got a build to roll last night
[19:03] <Hashcode> I had a question about this ramdisk.img check
[19:04] <Hashcode> And then I can post a review item
[19:04] <Hashcode> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=e0dZwpR4
[19:04] <Hashcode> rsalveti: That first change needs to be fixed
[19:04] <Hashcode> I basically removed the extra check for "ramdisk.img"
[19:04] <Hashcode> But
[19:04] <rsalveti> cool
[19:04] <Hashcode> I think the right way to fix that would be pull the "not" items outside the () or ()
[19:04] <Hashcode>  so that if both aren't there it fails
[19:05] <Hashcode> rather than failing if either one isnt there
[19:05] <rsalveti> right, makes sense
[19:05] <Hashcode> In your prebuilt devices is there a ramdisk.img?
[19:05] <rsalveti> yup, that's the ubuntu initramfs, and needed for the boot.img
[19:06] <Hashcode> I don't ever see a "ramdisk.img" in that area
[19:06] <Hashcode> I have BOOT/RAMDISK
[19:06] <Hashcode> which fulfills the 1 check
[19:06] <rsalveti> do you have it at out?
[19:06] <rsalveti> you should have
[19:06] <Hashcode> I do have it at out
[19:06] <rsalveti> android-ramdisk.img
[19:06] <Hashcode> I have both
[19:06] <rsalveti> and ramdisk.img
[19:06] <rsalveti> ok
[19:06] <Hashcode> did you want to change the location of that check?
[19:06] <Hashcode> I don't think it'll ever be in sourcedir
[19:07] <rsalveti> not in sourcedir
[19:07] <rsalveti> don't think android does
[19:07] <Hashcode> os.path.join(os.getenv('OUT'), "ramdisk.img")
[19:07] <rsalveti> I thought yesterday it was able to find the ramdisk.img, but just not able to find the right files in it
[19:07] <Hashcode> would be a better check?
[19:07] <rsalveti> let me check the code
[19:07] <Hashcode> It uses the expanded "RAMDISK" files under "BOOT"
[19:07] <Hashcode> in my buikd
[19:08] <Hashcode> which I think also works
[19:08] <Hashcode> that's the ubuntu ramdisk
[19:09] <rsalveti> right, then it's fine
[19:09] <rsalveti> we just need to change it to not expect any android ramdisk specific file
[19:09] <Hashcode> right
[19:09] <Hashcode> so maybe removing that "ramdisk.img" check entirely is ok
[19:10] <rsalveti> probably
[19:10] <Hashcode> I can put this up on review, but it'd be great to another another user test it
[19:10] <rsalveti> as long you have a boot.img containing the kernel + ubuntu initramfs, you're good
[19:10] <rsalveti> inside the ota zip
[19:10] <Hashcode> yeah I do
[19:10] <rsalveti> sure
[19:10] <Hashcode> I haven't begun testing the actual boot yet
[19:11] <Hashcode> I re-wrote the bootloader on my test device so that I can change partition layouts etc
[19:11] <rsalveti> cool
[19:11] <Hashcode> (data/media)
[19:11] <Hashcode> I never had the right storage setup before
[19:11] <Hashcode> on my serial out device anyway
[19:29] <Hashcode> rsalveti: is there a hook you're using to get an auto "Signed-off-by" line in gerrit?
[19:29] <rsalveti> Hashcode: just git commit -s
[19:29] <Hashcode> Ajh
[19:29] <Hashcode> thanks
[19:59] <SilasGb> Hey all, I just started looking into Ubuntu touch, but I don't think it is quite what I am looking for.  I want to turn my old phone into a linux / ubuntu device, maybe add a external power source and hard drive, not use it as a phone but as a mini-computer / server.  Any thoughts or know where I can look for this more? (Galaxy s1 or s2)
[20:10] <lotuspsychje> SilasGb: look here for the supported devices: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[20:12] <SilasGb> thanks lotuspsychje; I saw that before and wasn't sure I wanted to use ubuntu touch as I am less concerned with the screen and phone, and more want to use the hardware.  I'll give it a go though.  Thanks again
[20:12] <lotuspsychje> SilasGb: the new ubuntu touch works pretty nicely on nexus7 and nexus4
[20:14] <lotuspsychje> SilasGb: it can only get better, as ubuntu will come out later this year on meizu phones
[20:18] <SilasGb> I have no doubt.  But I don't want to use my old phone as a phone, I want it for other work, robots copters and such.  I figure it already has a lot of the hardware I need, but I don't want to write a custom android or os.  I would rather just make it an embedded linux box that I can connect to via minicom to push stuff and run commands, connect via wireless for debug and new instructions; then just drop some code in python or c to run the commands I
[20:18] <SilasGb>  want.
[20:18] <SilasGb> was going to start with the linux core first and make sure that all works, then try to incorporate new hardware with some pic controllers or something.
[20:19] <lotuspsychje> cool project :p
[20:19] <SilasGb> yeah, lot of work and most of it over my head, but I need to do something and it sounds fun.
[20:20] <SilasGb> but starting is always the hard part.
[20:20] <lotuspsychje> i didnt like the smell of android the moment i tasted it :p
[20:20] <SilasGb> I actually have liked it.  I don't like the "never close anything we'll do that for you" way of programing.
[20:21] <lotuspsychje> i like the security of ubuntu now :p
[20:21] <lotuspsychje> on my n7 :p
[20:24] <SilasGb> I actually haven't used anything ubuntu in a while.  Ubuntu 11 didn't work out of the box on my laptop and I had no idea what I was doing.  ubuntu 12 never worked quite right for me and so I jumped to fedora for a while (PITA), then to mint. but the phone stuff has looked interesting and I've been thinking of trying it on my old devices.
[20:25] <lotuspsychje> you should try 14.04 trusty
[20:25] <SilasGb> my devices are i777 though, so I don't think there is a port working yet.
[20:25] <lotuspsychje> its has improved alot
[20:25] <lotuspsychje> well hopefully for you the final ubuntu touch will support more devices then
[20:26] <lotuspsychje> i bought me a n7 specially for ubuntu, i couldnt wait other devices release
[20:26] <lotuspsychje> and dont like ipads or androids so
[20:27] <lotuspsychje> got me ubuntu on all my devices at home
[20:28] <Hashcode> SilasGb: my laptop never ran all that well on ubuntu 11/12.xx releases
[20:28] <Hashcode> but it runs quite well on 14.04
[20:28] <Hashcode> kernel updates have a lot to do with it
[20:29] <verdeP> is there like an ubuntu penguin or something lotuspsychje to go along with it? xD
[20:29] <SilasGb> it's his device charger
[20:29] <lotuspsychje> verdeP: lolz
[20:29] <lotuspsychje> verdeP: ive been messing with linux for long while can you tell :p
[20:30] <SilasGb> Hashcode: yeah I had some kernel issues on the mint side to. One of these days I will break down and try building from source for my computer to just see if it goes well.
[20:30] <verdeP> lotuspsychje: aye, only 12 years for me q.q
[20:31] <lotuspsychje> verdeP: time has no importance in learning :p
[20:31] <Hashcode> SilasGb: try 14.04 it's quite nice.  Uses 3.13.x kernel line
[20:31] <verdeP> thats some positive thinking ^^
[20:31] <lotuspsychje> Hashcode: agree, trusty is real nice
[20:32] <verdeP> I still gotta decide when to upgrade my server to 14 xD
[20:32] <lotuspsychje> verdeP: running 12.04 server?
[20:32] <dobey> hmm
[20:32] <verdeP> yep
[20:32] <lotuspsychje> verdeP: as what?
[20:32] <verdeP> as everything under the sun lol xD
[20:33] <lotuspsychje> lol
[20:33] <lotuspsychje> that sounds malicious :p
[20:33] <verdeP> its just for fun, actually mostly just for my irc
[20:35] <lotuspsychje> i run trusty 64bit on samsung ssd 120gig evo on acer netbook
[20:35] <lotuspsychje> rocketfast with all tweaks
[20:36] <verdeP> ah nice, my home computers are still macs for the most part, but server stuff linux all the way
[20:37] <verdeP> I watch this channel mostly cause I want this to happen lol, cause I don't like android and I don't like where iOS is going, and someday I'm gonna want a new phone lol
[20:37] <lotuspsychje> lol
[20:37] <lotuspsychje> same here mate
[20:37] <lotuspsychje> ipads and androids
[20:38] <lotuspsychje> that google play store is like a nightmare
[20:38] <verdeP> ah yeah
[20:38] <lotuspsychje> playground for malicious apps
[20:38] <verdeP> yeah one of my friends is planning to switch from iOS to Android and they are extremely computer illiterate and I'm like oh god pls no xD cause I don't wanna have to keep tabs on them so they don't get hosed or something xD
[20:39] <lotuspsychje> lol
[20:39] <dobey> when ubuntu has as many apps as android does in the app store, i'm sure some might say the same of it. malicious people are going to upload malicious things to all the app stores
[20:39] <verdeP> yeah that is true
[20:39] <verdeP> but somehow it feels different
[20:39] <lotuspsychje> there are dangerous ppa's for ubuntu now aswell
[20:39] <dobey> verdeP: get them a nexus 4 and put ubuntu on it :)
[20:40] <lotuspsychje> but its harder for intrusion to takeover ubuntu
[20:40] <dobey> a lot of the PPAs that are dangerous are just people not knowing how to build packages correctly
[20:40] <dobey> not really malicious
[20:40] <verdeP> mmm
[20:41] <dobey> if you find malicious stuff in a PPA though, please do report it on https://answers.launchpad.net/answers
[20:41] <lotuspsychje> dobey: didnt find anything unusual yet on touch
[20:42] <lotuspsychje> ive installed nmap and other terminal stuff
[20:42] <lotuspsychje> just to test things out
[20:42] <lotuspsychje> cant find any pdf support neither too
[20:42] <verdeP> wireshark on phone would be nice
[20:42] <lotuspsychje> verdeP: some guy tested it in here last time
[20:43] <verdeP> ah cool
[20:43] <lotuspsychje> verdeP: seemed like it didnt pickup the capture
[20:43] <lotuspsychje> didnt work well
[20:43] <verdeP> oh
[20:43] <lotuspsychje> nmap works good for me
[20:43] <lotuspsychje> irrsi too
[20:43] <lotuspsychje> links2 not
[20:44] <MrTurkelton> helle i have a litte questions about the new ubuntu tocu, i know the old nexus 7 2012 is not maintend, but is there any solution to run the new image on the old nexus?
[20:45] <lotuspsychje> MrTurkelton: i dont think its supported
[20:45] <dobey> if there are community builds for it, you can run those
[20:45] <dobey> but there are no images for it on the official images server any more
[20:45] <MrTurkelton> dobey; Where i can find this images
[20:46] <lotuspsychje> xda forum maybe?
[20:46] <MrTurkelton> i haven´t find anything in xdas about custom ubuntu touch roms
[20:46] <dobey> ubuntu-device-flash --channel devel-proposed --server="http://system-image.tasemnice.eu" maybe
[20:47] <lotuspsychje> http://www.xda-developers.com/android/installing-ubuntu-touch-on-the-2012-nexus-7-xda-developer-tv/
[20:48] <MrTurkelton> @lotuts thsi is the last supportet image from canoncial
[20:50] <lotuspsychje> not sure
[20:52] <dobey> that post is also 6 months old
[20:52] <lotuspsychje> not latest then
[20:52] <dobey> that was for when it ws supported, and when phablet-flash was the tool to use
[20:52] <dobey> well it will be whatever the latest image is in the channel referenced, assuming there is an image in the channel
[20:55] <Hashcode> rsalveti: more questions when you get the time
[21:18] <tonetheman> once you run the command ubuntu-device-flash do you need to do anything on the device? mine is sitting at a record screen
[21:30] <rsalveti> Hashcode: sure
[21:31] <Hashcode> rsalveti: just some observations ..
[21:31] <Hashcode> and I'm not sure if this is how current devices are booting
[21:31] <Hashcode> but the busybox I'm getting in the ubuntu ramdisk is linked
[21:31] <Hashcode> libc and libld
[21:31] <rsalveti> right, I think there's a minimal libc in there as well
[21:31] <rsalveti> let me extract it here
[21:32] <Hashcode> under /lib?
[21:32] <rsalveti> the android build process doesn't build it, just grabs the binary from the archive
[21:32] <Hashcode> right
[21:32] <Hashcode> its named this in /lib
[21:32] <Hashcode> klibc-JsQhEnahZRs4zAFAYMqmbGmjTlY.so
[21:32] <rsalveti> right
[21:33] <rsalveti> there are a few other libs in there as well
[21:33] <Hashcode> but the busybox bin is linked against libc.so.6
[21:33] <Hashcode> as far as references
[21:33] <Hashcode> and ld-linux-armhf.so.3
[21:33] <Hashcode> which is there
[21:34] <Hashcode> ah
[21:34] <rsalveti> don't you have it under /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf?
[21:34] <Hashcode> I see libc there yeah
[21:34] <Hashcode> so it's odd
[21:34] <Hashcode> if I replace it with a static binary
[21:34] <Hashcode> it does execute
[21:34] <Hashcode> but right off the bat if I don't
Failed to execute /init
Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found.  Try passing init= option to kernel. See Linux Documentation/init.txt for guidance.
[21:35] <Hashcode> Just making sure my ramdisk build is standard, I guess
[21:35] <rsalveti> weird, it should be
[21:35] <Hashcode> The other issue I notice
[21:35] <rsalveti> as I said, it's not modified at all
[21:35] <Hashcode> grep / find commands in the touch script don't seem to be working
[21:35] <Hashcode> And I don't notice those commands linked to busybox in /bin
[21:36] <Hashcode> But then, maybe I'm not understanding how those are working
[21:38] <rsalveti> right, there's indeed no link in there
[21:38] <Hashcode> er
[21:38] <rsalveti> wonder if it's exported to your env somehow once you open the terminal with busybox
[21:39] <Hashcode> yeah could be
[21:39] <Hashcode> I'd have to stop the boot process there and access it w/ adb somehow to test that
[21:39] <rsalveti> right, I believe we have a hook for that, ogra_ added one
[21:39] <Hashcode> yeah I saw the adb spawning
[21:39] <rsalveti> yeah, adbd is also part of the initramfs
[21:40] <rsalveti> see if you can have access via adb, then it's way easier to debug
[21:41] <Hashcode> lemme see if that works
[21:42] <Hashcode> The problem I think is that I get a panic at that point for some reason
[21:43] <rsalveti> do you get any useful message before it gives <4>Failed to execute /init ?
[21:46] <Hashcode> no not really
[21:46] <Hashcode> but like I said, I could replace it with a static busybox and it boots
[21:46] <Hashcode> into the init / touch scripts anyway
[21:46] <Hashcode> perhaps I'm missing something basic here
[21:48] <rsalveti> if busybox related, wonder how it could only break with your system
[21:48] <rsalveti> the same busybox is used on our default image
[21:48] <rsalveti> and same initramfs
[21:50] <Hashcode> yep
[21:50] <Hashcode> here's a more basic setup question
[21:50] <Hashcode> using the new 4.4.2 repos
[21:50] <Hashcode> the android part is a very simple setup
[21:51] <Hashcode> repo init
[21:51] <Hashcode> bring your gits in
[21:51] <Hashcode> lunch full_<name>-eng
[21:51] <Hashcode> make -j# otapackage
[21:51] <Hashcode> there's no special patching these days w/ phablet-tools right?
[21:51] <rsalveti> no, the only additional thing you need is the vendor blobs
[21:52] <Hashcode> ah see
[21:52] <Hashcode> but that's device specific no?
[21:52] <rsalveti> if building for a nexus device, you can grab the android-src-vendor
[21:52] <rsalveti> right
[21:52] <Hashcode> I have mine
[21:52] <rsalveti> then that's all you need
[21:52] <Hashcode> hrm
[21:52] <Hashcode> I'll do some more debugging :p
[21:52] <Hashcode> thanks for the help
[21:52] <rsalveti> np
[21:53] <Hashcode> You wouldn't have a copy of the legacy GNex kernel config would you?
[21:54] <rsalveti> let me take a look
[21:54] <rsalveti> Hashcode: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-trusty.git;a=blob;f=debian.maguro/config/config.common.ubuntu;h=e1440b73df25fdc231bbade51fe806eb9b3db9e0;hb=refs/heads/maguro
[21:55] <Hashcode> thanks again
[22:40] <doomlord_>  whats this change with mutable vs immutable closures..
[23:10] <Sense36> what is the version name of the current ubuntu touch? i am trying to use multi-rom on nexus 7
[23:28] <bact> devel