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ianorlinit more merged with razor qt00:08
ianorlinthen they are making a qt based lxde called lxqt00:10
wxlianorlin: is that ever going to get integrated into lubuntu?00:12
ianorlinyes in 14.10 is the plan00:12
wxlcool00:13
wxli've been waiting for that00:13
wxli like qt00:13
auc|workcan i access the flash drive that i booted lubuntu from (liveusb) to write files to?00:22
surfnso is razor-qt the new LXDE or is it lxqt?00:24
interf4cedwhats the difference between the "software update" and "package manager". Do they have some redundant purposes?03:20
holsteininterf4ced: you wouldnt choose a package with the updater to install03:20
holsteinyou just update what you have with it03:21
holsteinyou can use a package manager to update.. but, the updater usually checks on a shedule or whatever03:21
interf4cedthat's what i figured i just wanted to know fo sho03:21
interf4cedthe synaptic manager is basically just a GUI for pacman correct03:22
holsteinits a gui application manager03:22
holsteinwe dont have pacman03:22
holsteinyou can use apt or aptitude03:22
interf4cedok. that's what i meant. when i use synaptic i'm doing the GUI version of apt-get update/upgrade03:23
holsteininterf4ced: not really.. you are using the GUI03:23
holsteininterf4ced: if you want apt-get, you'll need to use apt-get03:24
interf4cedso synaptic is it's own thing, uses it's own "programming", and doesn't call on apt03:25
holstein!info synaptic03:25
ubottusynaptic (source: synaptic): Graphical package manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.81.1 (trusty), package size 1329 kB, installed size 7650 kB03:25
holsteininterf4ced: id have to check for sure...03:25
interf4cednot too terribly important i'm just curious about it. another question I have is in the Lubuntu Software Center, the Ubuntu Software Center is an option for installation, does the Ubuntu software manager have a larger list of apps. in other words, I know there are more packages available than what shows in the Lubuntu software center(i can get them through apt). does the Ubuntu software center list more of03:29
interf4cedthese?03:29
holsteinno03:30
holsteinthe sources are the sources.. you can install what you want from your sources with whatever package manager you want03:30
holsteinthe ubuntu software center offers some commercial options03:30
interf4ced1 more question then i'll depart. Do you know of on linux and equivalent to a restore point in windows(snapshot), where you can restore your whole system back to a previous date?03:35
holsteinsure03:35
holsteinliterally whatever snapshoting you would like03:35
holsteinyou can dd the disk.. use clonezilla.. backup your home.. whatever level you want to be on with that03:36
holsteinclonezilla is probably the easiest03:37
holsteinand, its cloned to an external drive, so it wont break like windows snapshots do03:37
interf4cedwell i like to play with system files and tinker. my previous attempts at switching to linux usually end after about 6 months when i totally jack up my system. this was like 5 years ago, and I could never find a snapshot like program. is this a newer thing?03:37
b3nt0any way to move the display with 2 monitors? so they work up and down?09:53
b3nt0i have 2 monitors plugged in, and the monitor became primary but, the pc thinks its on the right.. but its on the left was looking for the setting but could not find it09:54
b3nt0anyways any help would be great09:54
raalexif you find out, please let me know too09:57
raalexthe settings for external monitors are very very basic09:57
b3nt0i know, just never went there09:58
b3nt0cant find it at all do you happen to know the binary?09:58
raalexit's just in preferences, monitor settings10:00
raalexbut you will not be able to do what you want to do10:00
b3nt0oh ya but i cant swap anything10:00
raalexit offers almost no options10:00
raalexyes, that's what I was trying to say10:00
raalexit's a bit useless10:00
b3nt0i ran into that, cant swap 2 to 310:01
b3nt0or whatever10:01
b3nt0maybe i can just unmount at the etc level10:01
b3nt0actually.. the monitor cant even be turned off via the display settings from my end10:01
raalexyes, it's really annoying10:04
b3nt0well silly me10:04
b3nt0you have nvidia?10:04
raalexNo10:04
b3nt0go system tools and server settings10:04
b3nt0well.. my nvidia took over was able to fix it with it10:05
b3nt0off topic question anyone shoved thunderbird profile on the google drive?10:06
raalexis it normal that flash videos work awfully on Lubuntu?10:39
JohnDoe_71Rusb3nt0: try arandr10:48
b3nt0is that a full xwindows?11:37
b3nt0was looking a sec ago at that funny you mention JohnDoe_71Rus11:38
b3nt0was compiling some irrlicht stuff and came up a no file11:38
Ahmuckhi hi12:44
Ahmucki dumped 14.0412:44
Ahmuckand moved back to 13.1012:44
comics_ideeshow can I make greek/english toggle with alt-shift in lubuntu?13:48
B_Littlehi14:29
B_Littlewhat repository do I need to add for irssi 0.8.16 ? in the main repo only 0.8.15 is included14:30
vjacobwhat is the alternative for14:31
vjacobwhat is the recommended 'network-manager-vpn' alternative under Lubuntu, typically?14:31
vjacobI am trying to avoid having to install14:32
vjacobgnome to have this (network-manager-vpn) work, but so far I have had to reinstall 'network-manager', and when I try to create a new VPN connection using that, all the fields are grayed out14:33
vjacobstarting to think that going down the route of gnome again may be the only solution here.14:33
vjacobopenvpn btw...14:35
TaiSHiAfter update (tried with fresh install as well) enabling Parcellite nor light-locker on autostart wont work14:37
TaiSHiIs there any way to debug it to see where it's failing? Or is it a known issue?14:37
holsteinTaiSHi: you are trying to autostart an application? and its not working? how are you trying to implement that? how are you testing that in a live environment?14:40
vjacobtried to google this btw.14:40
TaiSHiI did so as well, there -was- an issue with nm14:41
TaiSHiWhich I fixed by adding the applet to taskbar14:41
comics_ideeshow can I make greek/english toggle with alt-shift in lubuntu?14:41
TaiSHiholstein: 2 different systems (one upgraded and the other fresh install), tried to implement light-locker from it's own menu and Parcellite from Default apps for LXSession14:42
TaiSHiholstein: Also, if I go to light-locker options it -is- 'enabled' by default, yet app isn't running. If I turn it off and back on, it starts running but wont be persistent through a logout14:42
holsteinvjacob: its find to use that tool in lubuntu, if you want14:44
holsteinfine*14:44
vjacob ah.14:44
vjacobjust not sure how to get it to work14:44
vjacobholstein: did you?14:44
holsteinvjacob: so, you *have* added it? then?14:44
holstein!vpn14:44
ubottuFor more information on vpn please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VPN14:44
holsteinis what i always refer to14:45
vjacobas written above, clicking add VPN, then I have only greyed out fields14:45
holsteinvjacob: well, also written above is "trying to avoid", so you *do* have it installed? correct?14:45
vjacobyes14:45
vjacobyes14:45
holsteinhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/VPNClient should be relevant then14:46
holsteinyou might be missing some of the backend that is making the options greyed. or your user permissions..14:47
vjacobhmm, thank you holstein, will go over this.14:47
vjacobbtw if I am using wicd to connect at this point in time, will that be an issue going forward?14:47
vjacobnot sure if my network-manager is being used at launch anymore14:48
vjacobstill, when I just launched NetworkManager using sudo, then I see the fields are editable14:48
vjacobmessy.14:48
holsteinvjacob: messy?14:48
vjacobI am finding it a bit messy yes :)14:49
holsteinseems to support the user permissions scenario14:49
vjacobok14:49
holsteinvjacob: the tool doesnt ship with lubuntu, so it may require some configuration14:49
vjacobnot just thinking about the previously inaccessible fields/now accessible, also that I am myself choosing to run two different network managers14:49
vjacobhowever, perhaps it is as simple as stopping to use wicd14:50
vjacobaye14:50
holsteinim not sure if wicd supports VPN connections.. i know it didnt used to14:50
vjacobholstein: hold on, what does Lubuntu ship with? :)14:50
vjacobI guess I always thought it was some form of14:51
vjacobnetwork-manager shipped14:51
holsteinright14:51
holsteini was reading you were adding one.. for vpn support14:51
vjacobah in terms of that14:51
vjacobI see, yes14:51
holsteinif you are finding something 'messy', it might be due to that, is all14:51
vjacobfair enough14:52
vjacobnot saying that Lubuntu is messy, for good orders sake14:52
vjacobjust that sometimes I (we?) end up making it (messy)14:52
holsteinvjacob: it would be "nice" to have an easy vpn client solution option14:52
holsteincould be that its just not something planned for out of the box14:52
vjacobI would say it is a must in the times we live in14:52
holsteineh.. id say, its likely not solving any problems either, but, if one wants to use a vpn, one should be able to, and i have no issues facilitating that method14:53
vjacobhm?14:54
holsteinvjacob: im suggesting, a vpn is not in itself ultimately the perfect security solution, is all14:54
vjacobnothing is perfect in terms of security14:54
vjacob:)14:54
holsteinits not always "vpn = privacy" and security14:54
vjacobnothing is14:54
vjacobbut you are right that vpn by itself does not create either14:55
vjacobI just think it goes a long way for most of us on the planet.14:55
holsteinbut, that quality and jugment call beside the point, im saying i aggree that vpn connection focus would be something i would get behind, regardless that i think its arguably helpful14:55
vjacobagreed.14:55
vjacobwho else uses vpn or would like to see it supported on channel? democratic show of hands in these times of privacy and anonymity?14:56
holsteinvjacob: now that all that politics and policy is behind us ;) ..if you want to start a general bug report, i'll join it14:56
holsteinvjacob: its not "unsupported"14:56
holsteinvjacob: its just a matter of testing, and making it easier14:56
holsteinvjacob: nothing in lubuntu is preventing one from running a vpn client.. im only suggesting that you and i can address the "messy" ness of it, if you 'd like14:57
vjacobholstein: let me think it over. first step is to get it to work myself :)14:57
vjacobif you want to move forward though, feel free :)14:58
holsteinits not the goal of lubuntu to block or prevent vpn use in anyway14:58
holsteinim just suggesting, its a small development team, and may just not be part of the focus for the out of the box experience14:58
vjacobhear hear :)14:58
holsteinid like to check upstream with wicd.. see if that has been added yet there.. or is planned to be14:59
vjacobin terms of wicd I think it is also a must, at least for some WiFi nics I have never gotten them to work without14:59
holsteinvjacob: you ever use wicd-curses ?15:00
vjacobwicd usually gets things configured far quicker for those cases, as far I have found at least.15:00
vjacobyes15:00
vjacobboth that and wicd-gtk15:00
holsteini havent required either15:00
holsteinsomething ive always wanted to test more, though15:01
holsteinvjacob: certain chipsets require wicd ?15:01
vjacobas far as I know wicd doesn?t actually require removing network manager come to think of15:01
vjacobit... and pretty sure it does not disallow network manager from running, probably will not work well though if you are using both panels to connect at once tho :/15:02
vjacobyou can go ahead and trial it15:02
vjacobat little cost no?15:02
vjacobnot sure15:02
vjacobalmost seems that they do in practice15:02
holsteinvjacob: i have a box i can break like that.. if needed.. without concern15:02
vjacobI wonder though how much is about special scenarios with long/difficult WPA passwords where wext acts differently?!15:03
holsteinvjacob: could be as simple as security management, i suppose15:03
holsteini would like to get more scientific about it, though15:03
holsteinsee how much is driver support, or wicd, or encryption.. or whatever15:03
vjacobprecisely15:04
TaiSHiAh, wifi hates me as well :P 14.04 is not being nice to me15:13
holsteini have a problematice wifi device in linux as well. but its the device15:14
holsteinbroadcom15:14
TaiSHiOh, mine is something more along the lines of "World hates me" :P15:18
TaiSHiSeems wpa-supplicant isn't detecting network state change properly, I click on nm-applet, select network, input PSK15:19
TaiSHiNothing happens, when I click back, no networks listed... a minute or so after, it'll list networks back on15:19
TaiSHiSo I had to configure the network manually, then it works like a dream15:20
vjacobTaiSHi, what I have done in the past is to choose another distro15:20
vjacobso for at least me it is a deal breaker15:20
vjacobsometimes it worked, sometimes I went through several distros15:20
vjacobuntil I found something that made it work (usually wicd)15:20
TaiSHiWell, I was charmed by lubuntu up until 13.1015:20
TaiSHi14.04 is performing great when it comes to performance15:20
TaiSHiStill those minor issues that bug me, wifi one would be the most annoying one until I set up my networks again15:21
TaiSHiIt's to be expected when switching to a release this early15:22
vjacobmaybe15:22
vjacobfor me wifi would never be minor15:22
TaiSHiWell I don't move my laptop everyday now15:23
vjacobthese days we all want our network connections to be without wires :)15:23
TaiSHiOf course, but I think it would work just great on a psk-less network15:23
vjacobsave for those who run servers or are very conservative about either speed or security15:23
TaiSHiWe shall see on friday15:23
vjacob:)15:24
TaiSHiHome network works perfectly, so I'm happy with it15:24
TaiSHiI can't take the cable with me to the bathroom15:24
TaiSHiYet I think autostart is somewhat screwed, or somewhere15:26
TaiSHibrb15:27
TaiSHiOk, so now light-locker is working15:34
TaiSHiand wasn't on my desk at work lol15:34
TaiSHiOk, got parcellite working, it was a pebcak issue, light-locker wasn't and will have to test at work on monday15:37
reddioHi!15:52
reddioDoes LUbuntu have its GUI utilities written in PyGObject like Ubuntu does?15:53
reddioNot that I really know anything about software Canonical develops for Ubuntu... I'm a new Python developer (VB developer since '98, C# developer since '06, PHP developer since '08) and I'd love to help out.15:55
reddioOh well, I tried.15:58
comics_ideesis there a google earth version for lubuntu?16:42
TaiSHiIs there one for ubuntu?16:43
raalexno16:46
raalexthe linux version is non functional16:46
raalexand for some reason the browser plugin, is only available for OSX and Windows16:47
raalexwhich is funny since they advertise is with the slogan "go anywhere on any device for free"16:48
TaiSHiIt's because they hate us16:48
raalexhttp://www.google.com/intl/en_uk/earth/download/ge/agree.html16:50
raalexyou can download and try it here, but it is supposedly non functional16:50
raalexI am not really keen on trying it now because Google Earth sucks16:50
interf4cedi've got /home mounted to dev/sd2, and i have 120GB total, and 84GB used, but i literally have not added anything to my home drive yet. it's almost a fresh installation. why is there 84GB used?16:51
interf4cedor dev/sda2 mounted on /home, whichever way you would say it16:52
ianorlinwhat are you using to get this information on used?16:52
interf4ceda program called timeshift, and then a command "dh -f"16:53
TaiSHidf -h16:53
TaiSHiI'd say16:53
TaiSHiAnd it's referred to /dev/sda2 (the device)16:53
TaiSHiDo du -sh /home/*16:53
ianorlinone thing not installed by default I like for disk usage is ncdu16:54
TaiSHiOh, ncurses based du16:54
interf4cedok, my computer is like 10 years old so it's just making noise, lets see what it says, i'm assuming du stands for disk usage, what does the -sh switch do?16:55
ianorlinh is for human readable16:56
ianorlins is for summary16:56
TaiSHi-s is i'vealwaysusedandnevercheckedwtfitdoes16:56
TaiSHiFrom the docs16:56
TaiSHi-s, --summarize       display only a total for each argument16:56
interf4cedstill just making noises. i'm assuming since ya'll are in here that you use lubuntu, have you been using it for a while?16:57
TaiSHiI've been using linux for a while, lubuntu specifically a couple weeks16:59
interf4cedk. it gave me this. i didn't run as sudo so not sure if that is why i got the error but...16:59
interf4ced84G /home/interfaced16:59
interf4ceddu: cannot read directory ‘/home/lost+found’: Permission denied16:59
interf4ced16K /home/lost+found16:59
interf4cedi really have put almost nothing on here yet, so i'm really baffled why it's 84GB. i've used "filemanager pacmanFM" to look around on my home drive but i'm not finding anything really17:01
ianorlinhave you seen if it is a massive hidden file?17:01
interf4cedwhat should i run for that. is there an ls switch for searching an entire directory tree. pacmanfm doesn't seem to have a display for sizes.17:02
ianorlinpress control h in pcmanfm will toggle showing hidden files17:03
interf4cedi just right-clicked show hidden, but thanks for the shortcut. how can i get it to display the size? just sort by size and properties on the top one.17:04
interf4cedok properties on the Documents folder and it is currently calculating. it just went over 20GB. so i'm assuming it's something in Documents17:06
interf4cedtheres 35 GB's worth of "recup_dir.1, recup_dir.2, recup_dir.354" and so on.17:08
interf4cedwhat are those folders for?17:08
interf4cedthere full of .txt and .java and .png files17:09
ianorlinI have no clue what those are17:10
interf4cedok. my fault everybody. I ran PhotoRec to try and recover overwritten files. those are the recovery directories17:11
interf4cedi didn't think it added that much info though. i must have done something wrong, and it was looping over and over just recovering the same information17:12
interf4cedthanks.17:13
westmihello17:15
westmitacer aspire one17:15
westmiacer*17:16
westmitinstalled lubuntu, and no wifi17:16
westmiinstalled*17:16
holsteinwestmi: needed proprietary wifi driver was installed by default for me, somehow.. confirm that your unit uses the same broadcom chip17:16
holstein!wifi | westmi17:17
ubottuwestmi: Wireless documentation, including how-to guides and troubleshooting information, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs17:17
westmiQualcom Atheros AR242x / AR542 Wireless Network adapter (PCI-Express)17:40
westmifoxcomm17:40
bluezcruizerHi all!18:04
ianorlinhi bluezcruizer can I help?18:06
bluezcruizerI'm a newbie and have a question for installation of Lubuntu on an old machine (P3 1.17Ghz 1GB Ram 2 HDDs, NVIDIA Geforce 5500 FX card).  The Video card is a PCI card.  I'm currently in test mode (running the o's on a flash drive) and it did not recognize the video on the PCI.  I had to go to the BIOS and tell it to run the video on the integrated graphics and switch the cable.  How do I get the o/s to run on the PCI video car18:06
bluezcruizerOr do I have to install the o/s on the HDD first, switch the BIOS to video bus PCI and restart the machine to get lubuntu to see it and install appropriately?18:08
bluezcruizerI checked my hardware settings and "install drivers"...it saw the PCI card then and allowed me to install the NVIDIA driver, but when I switched the cable from the integrated graphics card to the PCI card, it did not pull the video up.18:11
bluezcruizerI might've just answered my own question...maybe  the driver's installed but I need to restart (still using the USB stick) to see if the driver works and I can use my PCI video card...18:11
bluezcruizer...change the BIOS back to PCI first...18:12
leszekhi18:12
ianorlinI am not sure it will work as nvidia have stopped drivers for that card since 12.0418:13
bluezcruizerwell that's a bummer.18:13
bluezcruizeris 12.04 still supported (long life support)?18:15
ianorlinnot for lubuntu and it starting becoming unsupported in 12.0418:15
bluezcruizeroh; you mean Dec 2004...?18:15
ianorlinno I mean ubuntu 12.04 did not have that card working iwth that version of x window system18:16
bluezcruizeroh.  might be stuck on the integrated graphics card then as that seems to work.18:16
bluezcruizerok, thank you for your dialog and help Ianorlin.18:17
bluezcruizerreally appreciate it.18:17
ianorlinlubuntu doesn't require much in the way of graphics thankfully but some gaems still do18:17
bluezcruizerthankfully this system's primary purpose is productivity software...the kid likes to play some flash-based games online (educational games)...he's very young so he won't be into high resource usage video games on PC for a few more years anyway.18:19
bluezcruizerso I can do without using the PCI card.  Just a bummer as it means the mobo will and it's RAM will have to handle video operations...offloading the task to the PCI card won't be accessible.18:20
bluezcruizerI'll jump off now.  thank you!18:21
michalbyMy computer won't resume after suspend, after reboot apport reports kerneloops. I18:45
michalbyHow can I report this bug, if it's a bug, and how can I try other kernels to see if it is a new issue?18:46
michalbyLubuntu 14.04, nokia booklet 3g18:47
comics_ideesis there any web site with basic tweaks and how tos for lubuntu?19:20
ianorlincomics_ideas menu prefrences customize look and feel and panel prefrences can provide basic tweaks but not sure where on the web others have used them19:35
ianorlinif you create a new user for exprimentation you won't mess up your main account19:35
Megaman_Can spmeone help me connect my wifi on lubuntu 14.04?19:45
MikaelaMegaman_: ALT + F2 and type "nm-applet" without the quotes and press enter (or return if you call it as that).19:47
MikaelaUnless your issue is different from what I think in which case you should give a little more information :)19:47
Megaman_Ok I did that but I dont know where to go to see a list of wifi networks19:49
Megaman_I figured it out ty19:53
* Mikaela wonders if there is anything new on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel/+bug/1308348 .20:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1308348 in lxpanel (Ubuntu Trusty) "network settings indicator missing from panel" [Undecided,Confirmed]20:16
MikaelaUndecided? I think it should be decided as so many people are seeing and wondering it. Good night20:17
westmigot it fixxed had to install wicd and totally remove networkmanager21:30
westmiholstein   got it fixxed had to install wicd and totally remove networkmanager21:33
B_Littleis there a shell based webbrowser ?22:04
Unit193w3m, lynx, etc.22:05
B_Littlek tnx ill give it a try22:06

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