[00:10] <shauno> hm, interesting.  apple have a replacement program for my dodgy power button
[00:10] <diddledan> what about your various other "issues"?
[00:11] <diddledan> at last count you had no dvd drive in the dvd slot?
[00:11] <shauno> that's intentional :)
[00:11] <shauno> (also this is for my phone, so they shouldn't notice my dvd drive)
[00:12] <diddledan> aah
[00:12] <shauno> the power button on my phone takes some considerable mashing to register a press
[00:13] <diddledan> www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeZftK2kO6U‎
[00:13] <shauno> it never used to, but over the last few months it's gone from noticable to very annoying
[02:26] <mapps> anyone still around
[02:43] <shauno> "nobody here but us chickens" I believe it goes
[02:46] <mapps> :)
[02:46] <mapps> you familiar with appache?
[02:46] <shauno> sort of.  it's a love-hate relationship, but I can give it a shot
[02:46] <mapps> heh
[02:46] <mapps> well
[02:47] <mapps> got apache running fine..and using mod_userdir so ip/~user etc
[02:47] <mapps> im trying to enable .htaccess files in the users public_html dir
[02:47] <mapps> but im not quite sure how ..ive got the httpd.conf file (main conf) in /usr/local/apache/conf and then httpd-userdir.conf in conf/extras
[02:50] <shauno> I think it's gonna be a case of sticking AllowOverride somewhere awkward, but I don't user userdits, so I'm not sure how/where
[02:52] <mapps> yea i put AllowOverride AuthConfig in httpd-userdir.conf because i thought it made sense based on what was in there ..il show you
[02:52] <mapps> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7334399/
[02:52] <mapps> so i thought as the Directory directive for the public_html is there..it should go there?
[02:53] <shauno> that's the first place I'd try, yeah
[02:53] <mapps> yea
[02:54] <mapps> because that already had the directive for umm the /home/*/public_html
[02:54] <mapps> before i added the AllowOverride
[02:54] <mapps> so i dont get it:(
[04:09] <mapps> you still around shauno?
[04:18] <nigelb> hi
[04:18] <mapps> hey nigelbsup
[04:18] <mapps> :)
[04:22] <nigelb> saturday :)
[04:22] <nigelb> and I'm working :(
[04:23] <mapps> :(
[04:23] <mapps> i just did time on u;p thought you were ahead of uk time
[04:26] <nigelb> I am.
[04:26] <nigelb> It's 5 to 10.
[04:27] <mapps> oh
[04:27] <mapps> you from the uk originally?
[04:27] <mapps> raining here=[
[04:27] <nigelb> nah
[04:28] <nigelb> though, I do have a very british name and visit uk often.
[05:27] <shauno> sorry mapps, had to take a nap before my shift started :)
[05:31] <mapps> hah nice
[05:31] <mapps> how much sleep u get
[05:31] <shauno> heh, about 45 minutes :/
[05:31] <shauno> I am not a clever man
[06:41] <mapps> woah do u work from home?
[06:41] <mapps> i couldnt work in an office with so little sleep
[06:54] <shauno> nah.  in here at 6am.  bright and early :/
[07:51] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[07:52] <robotninja> 'ning
[08:20] <dwatkins> sup?
[08:35] <bigcalm> Hunger
[08:35] <bigcalm> I might have to actually have some breakfast
[08:35] <bigcalm> Strange for me to want such
[08:35] <popey> moo
[08:35] <bigcalm> Oink
[08:36]  * bigcalm ponders a trip to subway
[08:53] <dwatkins> I'd go to Subway, but it's across the road, so I'm in the cafe under my flat instead
[09:08] <bigcalm> Does your home's wifi reach down to the cafe?
[09:10] <shauno> does their coffee machine reach to the flat?
[09:22] <brobostigon> good morning boys and girls.
[09:31] <gebbione_> hi all, something weird is stopping my two monitors to display correctly, the driver now forced mirror view and if i try to set it stretch the display to both mirrors it wont let me
[09:35] <gebbione_> required virtual size does not fit available size: requested=(3840, 1080), minimum=(320, 200), maximum=(1920, 1920)
[09:35] <gebbione_> anyone
[10:02] <kbingham> http://i.imgur.com/NbB7qtK.png - I've updated from ubuntu 13.10 - to 14.04 - but my system details still show 13.10 ... do i need to do anything to finalise the install ?
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> kbingham: have you restarted the machine? Did the upgrade succeed?
[10:08] <kbingham> yes and yes - the update was last week
[10:27] <popey> kbingham: how did you upgrade?
[10:29] <kbingham> popey: It was last week - but I'm pretty sure it was sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:30] <kbingham> popey: I'm assuming something didn't complete/update - everything seems to be working fine - just noticed that the system detail still says 13.10 ... seemed odd :)
[10:40] <MartijnVdS> kbingham: "dist-upgrade" has a confusing name
[10:40] <MartijnVdS> it doesn't upgrade the distribution :)
[10:40] <MartijnVdS> kbingham: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_13.10
[10:40] <kbingham> MartijnVdS: no looking back at the page I followed it was do-release-upgrade :)
[10:40] <brobostigon> can i have a domain point at an apache virtualhost ?
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: if you have a domain, and an IP, yes.
[10:41] <kbingham> re-running it now says "no new release found"
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: you can just point a hostname at that IP (A record) or another host pointing to that IP (CNAME)
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> kbingham: what does lsb_release -a say?
[10:41] <kbingham> lsb_release -a
[10:41] <kbingham> No LSB modules are available.
[10:41] <kbingham> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[10:41] <kbingham> Description:    Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[10:41] <kbingham> Release:        14.04
[10:41] <kbingham> Codename:       trusty
[10:41] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: thats what i have, but it seems to show me apaches root rather than the virtualhost
[10:42] <kbingham> MartijnVdS: http://i.imgur.com/NbB7qtK.png
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: do you have a "NameVirtualHost" directive for the IP in question?
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> kbingham: uhh..
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> wow :)
[10:42] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: in the virtualhost config?
[10:42] <kbingham> MartijnVdS: exactly - hence my confusion :)
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it needs to be outside the VirtualHost blocks, in "global" config
[10:43] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: apache's global config?
[10:44] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: are you running trusty or something earlier?
[10:44] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: debian testing.
[10:44] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: Apache 2.4?
[10:45] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: 2.4.9
[10:45] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: in that case, having the proper <VirtualHost *:80> (or your.ip.here:80) blocks should be enough
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: as long as they include a "ServerName" (and possibly ServerAlias) directive
[10:46] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ok, let me check it again.
[10:46] <popey> kbingham: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^
[10:46] <popey> see if anything new comes down the pipe (the caret is important)
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/vhosts/name-based.html
[10:47] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: http://pastebin.com/q9EqEDiB
[10:48] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: whcih file is that?
[10:49] <brobostigon> welltravelledbear.co.uk under /etc/apache2/sites-available
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: Can you rename it to "welltravelledbear.co.uk.conf", and then run "a2ensite welltravelledbear.co.uk" ?
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> (also, check /etc/apache2/sites-enabled for a dangling symlink to the old location)
[10:50] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yep, one minute.
[10:51] <brobostigon> wooop,
[10:51] <shauno> curious, has that changed?  (I use the same layout, site-available/sitename not .conf)
[10:52]  * brobostigon gets MartijnVdS a few beer. :)
[11:08] <kbingham> popey: the ^ on apt-get is new to me ... what does that do? force a recheck of all dependancies?
[11:08] <MartijnVdS> shauno: I think 2.4 only includes files if they're named .conf
[11:08] <MartijnVdS> shauno: but I'm not sure
[11:09] <kbingham> popey: doesn't seem to be installing anything much related though ...
[11:09] <kbingham> The following packages will be REMOVED
[11:09] <kbingham>   oxideqt-codecs-extra
[11:09] <kbingham> The following NEW packages will be installed
[11:09] <kbingham>   oxideqt-codecs
[11:14] <popey> kbingham: hmm, interesting
[11:26] <popey> kbingham: looks like you have bug 1312011
[11:27] <popey> kbingham: you probably want to click the "Does this affect you" to confirm the bug
[11:28] <kbingham> popey: good find ... I'll post on there .. .cheers
[11:39] <popey> np
[12:30] <d3ngar> Hello there
[12:30] <robotninja> hi
[12:30] <d3ngar> I was wondering if there is a way to upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04?
[12:31] <d3ngar> do-release-upgrade tells me that there is no new version available, however I can see 14.04 is released
[12:32] <penguin42> d3ngar: It tends to wait until 14.04.1 is out until it offers it you I think
[12:32] <d3ngar> mmm
[12:32] <d3ngar> When would that be, do you think?
[12:33] <d3ngar> And is there a way to force it?
[12:33] <penguin42> not sure, I'm fairly sure you can change the options to let it do it for you, I think they just like to wait until it's been tested a bit more before moving LTSs over
[12:33] <d3ngar> Okay
[12:33] <d3ngar> Thanks for the info!
[13:52] <DJones> directhex: Just noticed somebody commenting on a ppa wit your name on it in #ubuntu 404'ing, I suspect user error rather than a ppa fault though
[13:53] <DJones> lubotu3: Hush, nobody asked you
[13:53] <DJones> Point proved
[13:55] <DJones> 14:51 < Balls> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/directhex/ppa/ubuntu/dists/saucy/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404   Not Found
[14:03] <directhex> that's badgerports, which has never had packages for saucy
[14:03] <directhex> nor supported using via launchpad rather than my mirror
[15:26] <foobarry> my page up key is broke, how can i map it to another key?
[15:26] <penguin42> foobarry: xmodmap
[15:26] <foobarry> e.g. alt-page down
[15:34] <foobarry> i found that page down = 112
[15:34] <foobarry> page up = 112
[15:35] <foobarry> page down = 117
[15:35] <foobarry> but i want alt+page down to perform a page up
[15:37] <penguin42> right so that's a modifier
[15:37] <penguin42> foobarry: if you do xmodmap you'll see that mod1 is probably Alt ?
[15:38] <foobarry> do you mean xev
[15:38] <foobarry> mod1        Alt_L (0x40),  Meta_L (0xcd)
[15:39] <penguin42> foobarry: I can't quite remember the syntax, but if you look at the output of xmodmap -pk I think you can see each key has multiple codes it can produce and that depends on the combination of modifiers
[15:39] <penguin42> no, I don't mean xev - but that shows stuff interacitvely as you press stuff
[15:39] <penguin42> foobarry: What I'm not sure of is if you were to bind alt-pgdown to produce pageup whether things would see it as alt-pageup
[15:40] <foobarry> http://askubuntu.com/questions/250791/how-to-bind-altarrows-to-pageup-pagedown
[15:40] <foobarry> seems helpful
[15:40] <foobarry> not xmodmap but xbindkeys
[15:42] <penguin42> still thinks it's xmodmap you want
[15:44] <foobarry> i dont know how to do combos in modmap
[15:45] <penguin42> hmm, yeh I think my question of alt comes in here - I can see how to do it with shift but not with alt
[15:47] <kbingham> popey: ping - are you still online?
[15:48] <kbingham> popey: I found the root of my issue - unity-control-centre reports ubuntu 14.04, gnome-control-center reports 13.10 still .... I've updated the bug #1312011 anyway. Its clear that the other guy was also using Gnome-shell from his screenshot.
[16:01] <popey> kbingham: interesting
[16:10] <foobarry> penguin42: how would you do it with shift pls?
[16:10] <foobarry> getting confused by modmap
[16:10] <foobarry> i'll take anything atm
[16:11] <penguin42> foobarry: So if I understand correctly each entry of xmodmap says for 'this keycode   here is the thing we generate by itself, then the thing we send if it's with shift, then two other cases'
[16:12] <MartijnVdS> Isn't xmodmap dead, and replaced by xkb definitions?
[16:12] <foobarry> i'm on 12.04
[16:13] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Please, I never kept up with it
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> xmodmap was supposed to be dead in 8.04 or 10.04 ;)
[16:14] <foobarry> what do i enter for xkb?
[16:17] <foobarry> http://askubuntu.com/questions/24916/how-do-i-remap-certain-keys
[16:17] <foobarry> 124 upvotes says xmodmap is still the way :S
[16:18] <foobarry> got iT!
[16:18] <foobarry> xmodmap -e 'keycode 117=Alt_L Prior'
[16:19] <foobarry> i was doing it back to front
[16:19] <penguin42> really? Heck oh I didn't know it would work that way
[16:19] <foobarry> trying 112 alt_l next
[16:19] <penguin42> yeh I thought it was that direction as well :-)
[16:19] <foobarry> woops
[16:20] <foobarry> maybe need to clear my config now
[16:23] <penguin42> foobarry: You can create a .xmodmaprc to get it loaded during login I think
[16:23] <penguin42> foobarry: But have you considered a new keyboard :-)
[16:23] <foobarry> laptop
[16:24] <penguin42> ah
[16:24] <foobarry> hmm . seems like its not the fix
[16:26] <MooDoo> howdy all
[16:38] <penguin42> foobarry: I'm thinking something like     keycode 117 = Next Prior Next
[17:36] <mapps> phew
[17:36] <mapps> walked about 7miles
[17:36] <mapps> 3.4 there 3.4 back it says
[17:37] <penguin42> good going, I did about 5 earlier according to g.e
[17:47] <mapps> pretty boring walk along canal to the stadium
[17:47] <mapps> bt at least it didnt rain:D rained when i got there
[17:47] <penguin42> it was really nice when I went for my walk - rained when I got back - even better
[17:48] <mapps> yea it was nice when i left the house..so nice i considered wearing shorts
[17:48] <mapps> then err yea rained during the game,and a bit on way back and got kinda cold;ish
[17:48] <mapps> :(
[17:48] <mapps> luckily mmy seat was under the cover bit
[17:49] <penguin42> ah, what type of stadium was this?
[17:49] <mapps> football
[17:50] <mapps> funny how quick it changes..nice nice nice..pouring down with rain
[17:50] <mapps> :D
[19:12] <zleap> hello
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> \o
[19:13] <zleap> how are you
[19:13]  * zleap is looking forward to monday, taking some 1404 cds to the school i am helping at
[19:15] <zleap> hi
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> 1404 CDs?
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> that's a lot
[19:16] <zleap> well dvds
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> still a lot
[19:16] <zleap> i made a few the other day and put nice printed labels on them
[19:16] <zleap> no a few cd's of 14.04 ubuntu
[19:16] <zleap> not 1404, i on;y have a pack of 50 dvds
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> oh :)
[19:17] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: I came to the same conclusion
[19:17] <zleap> sorry
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> nah I'm thick :P
[19:18] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: thanks for that compliment :-p
[19:18] <zleap> it is possible to write a shell script to store package names in a list then have apt install them
[19:19] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: if you're thick for assuming 1404 was a number then by association I must be too
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> zleap: you want to clone a system's installed packages? :)
[19:19] <zleap> if we install 14.04 on 20 computers its going to be a pain doing lots of apt get install on each
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: thick by association? Hmm :)
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> zleap: that's what chef was invented for.. but that might be a lot to learn in a day :)
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> zleap: or puppet
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> zleap: or ansible
[19:19] <zleap> MartijnVdS, well we can run a script that has, apt-get install package x
[19:19] <zleap> for each one, then just run that on each
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> zleap: ansible is awesome!
[19:20] <zleap> ok
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> http://www.ansible.com/home
[19:20] <zleap> thanks
[19:22] <zleap> see what happens monday,  not sure what the plan for the computer group is yet
[19:23] <zleap> i need to work out exactly what extra stuff to install,  I am guessing at the very least,  geany, idle,idle3 python, python3,  ruby, kidsruby scratch
[19:24] <zleap> so put those names in a script and then put the script on git,  have ech Pc git clone the git archive (we need to do that anyway) and within that there are scripts to do stuff
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> zleap: You should really look at the ansible tutorial :)
[19:25] <zleap> ok
[19:25] <zleap> will do
[20:13] <brobostigon> why would www.dns.co.uk result in a different ip compared to dns.co.uk ?
[20:13] <shauno> why not?
[20:14] <brobostigon> exactly, when i ping both i get different results.
[20:15] <penguin42> brobostigon: because you can put an A record on dns.co.uk (I think?) and you need a separate one for www so there's nothing that forces them to be the same
[20:15] <shauno> you don't even need an A record for the domain.  eg, check nasa.gov
[20:15] <brobostigon> penguin42: i did that, i created a cname to point to the previous without the www.
[20:17] <brobostigon> i mean, one with www, thats points to a A record.
[20:17] <brobostigon> cname*
[20:17] <penguin42> shauno: How does that work then?
[20:18] <diddledan> you own dns.co.uk?
[20:18] <brobostigon> i used that as an example diddledan, i dont no.
[20:18] <penguin42> how bizarre, all 3 of nasa.gov's DNS servers are on the same subnet
[20:18] <shauno> penguin42: it doesn't :)  if you stick nasa.gov in a browser, you'll end up on www. just because the browser goes wandering grasping at straws
[20:18] <diddledan> penguin42: maybe they're anycast
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> shauno: nah, Chrome stopped doing that and just warns you
[20:18] <penguin42> shauno: Ah ok
[20:19] <penguin42> diddledan: How does that work then?
[20:19] <shauno> they're my favourite annoying example.  they have NS & MX records, but no A/AAAA
[20:19] <brobostigon> ok, how do i think about this, it has a www cname record pointing at it, what do i look at next.?
[20:20] <diddledan> I don't understand anycast, but at a high level it doesn't match a single machine instead maps to a regional machine
[20:20] <diddledan> kinda like how CDNs work
[20:20] <shauno> anycast is advertising different routes to different networks.  the routes don't all end up at the same place - but they do end up at machines that answer to that address
[20:20] <diddledan> thanks shauno
[20:21] <shauno> eg, google's dns.  if you traceroute them you'll probably end up in london.  the rest of the planet doesn't
[20:21] <diddledan> I guess it's abusing the global routing tables instead of behaving as originally designed
[20:21] <diddledan> intended**
[20:23] <penguin42> interesting - and yes google's ns's also all appear on the same subnet
[20:23] <shauno> it's not that abusive.  it's quite logical that if you're linked to two ISPs, you advertise a different route to each ISP - so each arrives by the most direct route
[20:24] <shauno> now if you split your site into two, each identical to each other, so one ISP goes to each ... why change that route?  they'll still get the intended results
[20:25] <diddledan> traceroute to ns1.nasa.gov appears to be blackholing after 12 hops at washington for me
[20:26] <diddledan> I guess they're unrespinsive to ICMP?
[20:26] <shauno> diddledan: leave the door off the chain, it'll make less mess when they come for you :)
[20:26] <diddledan> lol
[20:27] <diddledan> I should probably leave it ajar so they don't have to use the "key"
[20:27] <zleap> lol
[20:36] <shauno> I'm not sure what's worse.  that someone decided to embed a .sid (c64-style) in a webpage.  or that safari figured out what to do with it
[20:38] <penguin42> you got an emulator installed?
[20:38] <shauno> I have a 'quicklook' plugin for them.  I had no idea the browser would borrow them
[20:39] <penguin42> I guess the plugin just registered the mimetype or whatever the equivalent is
[21:17] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/d9fci38ft55etyi/IMG_20140426_221042.jpg
[21:17] <daftykins> click if you dare
[21:20] <diddledan> http://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/birds-adapting-chernobyls-radiation
[21:23] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RECuQaaGGfA
[21:25] <popey> mmm brownies
[21:27] <diddledan> Hank and John Green have done a lot to spearhead geekiosity among youtube kids
[21:28] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: yes! and it's awesome :)
[21:35] <zleap> MartijnVdS, there are lots of geeky kids out there, its great,  shame there are so few grown ups who can or are willing to see the potential in helping them,
[21:36] <daftykins> it's a big ask
[21:36] <zleap> yeah
[21:36] <zleap> well good news is we have a code club in Torbay
[21:36] <daftykins> :)
[21:37] <zleap> as well as the coding, hardware group i am helping wth
[21:37] <zleap> with
[21:38] <zleap> lego mindstorms with brick PI
[21:39] <zleap> among other things such as installing ubuntu :)
[21:41] <daftykins> install all the things!
[21:42] <zleap> well we are doing all sorts of stuff, so we have install ubuntu on 2 computers
[21:42] <zleap> which on monday I can see it being me running update as its 13.10 so may as well update
[21:43] <diddledan> I bought a 5.25inch floppy drive the other day
[21:43] <diddledan> I'm proud
[21:43] <zleap> yay
[21:44] <zleap> what you gonna use that for
[21:44] <diddledan> reading floppies
[21:44] <diddledan> :-p
[21:44] <penguin42> diddledan: full or half?
[21:44] <diddledan> I want to go through all my old disks backing them up to more accessible storage
[21:45] <diddledan> penguin42: 360KB
[21:45] <zleap> i remember when my friend fell off his chair, i showed him my spectrum +D drive full 720 k, he was using 100k 5 1/4 " floppies
[21:45] <zleap> or nearly did
[21:46] <zleap> 16 speccy games om 1 disk or 15 if you wanted a menu thing to load them
[21:50]  * penguin42 has quite a range of drives, including one that's pretty odd (100tpi rather than 96tpi)
[21:55] <zleap> tpi
[21:55] <zleap> something per inch I suspect
[21:58] <penguin42> tracks
[21:59] <mapps> good evening all
[22:02] <daftykins> what-o
[22:04] <mapps> ok i got a question
[22:04] <mapps> hopefully one of you fine folks..and daftykins may be able to help
[22:04] <mapps> ;)
[22:04] <mapps> quick qestion - im using a .htaccess file to control access to a dir located in /userdir/private so http://ip/~mark/private - well when i go to /~mark the private dir isnt shown? but when i remove the .htaccess it is any ideas?
[22:06] <daftykins> is that cause i'm a super fine folk?
[22:06] <mapps> yea
[22:06] <mapps> :P
[22:06] <daftykins> ah i've never used a .htaccess
[22:07] <mapps> ah
[22:07] <mapps> well
[22:07] <mapps> they just contain the directives you can have in the .conf basically
[22:10] <daftykins> all i've done is disable indexes on mine
[22:11] <mapps> hmm
[22:11] <mapps> whats that mean no dir listing?
[22:12] <daftykins> yeah
[22:12] <mapps> -Indexes?
[22:12] <mapps> yea
[22:12] <mapps> well
[22:12] <daftykins> can still get files if you know their names though
[22:13] <mapps> i cant see how to stop a specific dir being listed
[22:14] <mapps> so i could work back
[22:14] <mapps> heh
[22:14] <mapps> like go to
[22:14] <mapps> https://frogs.zapto.org/~mark/
[22:14] <mapps> and you dont see private dir right?
[22:14] <mapps> but remove the .htaccess and you do..argh!
[22:16] <mapps> help!
[22:17] <MooDoo> what you broke mapps
[22:19] <mapps> i dont know..did you read the above or need me to explain again?:)
[22:19] <mapps> :(
[22:19] <MooDoo> I'll have a look at the longs
[22:19] <MooDoo> logs
[22:19] <mapps> ah ok only 2mins ago;)
[22:21] <MooDoo> so you go to https://frogs.zapto.org/~mark/ and you can't see the private folder, when you remove .htaccess you do?
[22:21] <mapps> yep
[22:21] <mapps> i can show you if you want
[22:21] <MooDoo> can you pastebin the .htaccess?
[22:21] <mapps> atm the .htaccess is there
[22:21] <mapps> yep sec
[22:22] <mapps> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7340864/
[22:22] <mapps> v basic
[22:23] <MooDoo> that's what in the mark folder or the vault folder
[22:24] <mapps> thats in the .htaccess in /~mark/private
[22:24] <mapps> the userfile is stored in vault..away from the web for security
[22:24] <mapps> web dirs rather
[22:24] <MooDoo> ok and you're wondering why there is no link to private in the mark folderlisting on the site?
[22:24] <mapps> yea
[22:24] <mapps> am i doing something wrong
[22:25] <mapps> shouldnt it be there then ask for login/pass
[22:25] <MooDoo> hmmmmm
[22:25] <MooDoo> yeah it should
[22:26] <mapps> wanna see the conf directive for userdir?
[22:26] <mapps> its small as its in a sep config file
[22:26] <mapps> conf/extras/httpd-userdir.conf
[22:27] <MooDoo> I'm wondering what the permissions of the private folder are?
[22:28] <MooDoo> or if there is a .htaccess file in the mark folder itself with something like indexignore in it
[22:29] <mapps> na no other .htaccess files so the ~mark dir (which is mod_userdir) is managed by the .conf
[22:29] <mapps> il show you
[22:29] <MooDoo> hmmm strange
[22:29] <mapps> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7340907/
[22:31] <MooDoo> yeah that is bizarre
[22:31] <mapps> you cant see anything wrong can you?
[22:31] <MooDoo> no I can't
[22:32] <MooDoo> what's the permission of the private folder?
[22:32] <mapps> see refresh now and youll see the dir
[22:32] <mapps> https://frogs.zapto.org/~mark/
[22:32] <mapps> private listed
[22:32] <mapps> just mv .htaccess to .htaccesb temp
[22:32] <MooDoo> ah yes thought you'd fixed it lol
[22:32] <mapps> but minute i put it back ..its gone
[22:34] <mapps> put it back and..boom gone
[22:35] <MooDoo> looking at google there are a few pages where people say apache is hiding htpasswd folders
[22:35] <mapps> when i google for it its comes up with basically stopping files being listed in dirs and stuff..but this is like 1 DIR thats not listed when a htaccess is present as you can see there's all the rest
[22:35] <mapps> oh really
[22:35] <mapps> what did you google i must be useless
[22:35] <mapps> i only found stuff about hidinf files from listings :|
[22:37] <MooDoo> add a .htaccess to the mark folder with this in it IndexOptions ShowForbidden
[22:40] <MooDoo> http://serverfault.com/questions/367809/htaccess-in-a-directory-makes-it-disappear-from-its-parents-listing
[22:51] <mapps> wait
[22:51] <mapps> couldnt i just add that to the httpd-userdir.conf?
[22:51] <mapps> as the htaccess just contains diectives normally for the conf files iirc
[22:53] <MooDoo> no ides, just found that webpage, thought it might help :D
[22:54] <MooDoo> other than that, not got a bloomin clue :d
[22:55] <mapps> oke lets see
[22:57] <mapps> IndexOptions +ShowForbidden yea?
[22:57] <mapps> you were right
[22:57] <MooDoo> not sure about + but you can give that a try.
[22:58] <MooDoo> doesn't mention the plus on the website, but that was 2012 so no idea what's changed in apache since then
[22:58] <mapps> https://frogs.zapto.org/~mark/
[22:58] <mapps> :D
[22:58] <MooDoo> yup I can see it
[22:58] <mapps> works
[22:58] <mapps> :)
[22:58] <MooDoo> yup :D  nice one
[22:59] <MooDoo> and on that note, time for bed :D  nn
[23:00] <mapps> cya mate