[05:56] <Kilos> morning all
[06:58] <Kilos> winter sucks, where is global warming
[07:30] <Private_User> lol morning Kilos
[07:31] <Kilos> hi Private_User  
[07:31] <Private_User> I also hate winter, love summer
[07:31] <Kilos> lo Golynx  
[07:31] <Golynx> hi Kilos
[07:31] <Private_User> hi Golynx
[07:31] <Golynx> hi Private_User
[07:31] <Kilos> you got mail methinks
[07:32] <Golynx> ok will check
[08:51] <charl_> morning Kilos, Golynx, Private_User 
[08:51] <charl_> new vlc is not so stable, had it crash twice on me on 14.04
[08:51] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[08:51]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[08:51] <Golynx> hi charl_
[08:51] <Kilos> hi charl_  
[08:52] <Kilos> works fine by me
[08:52] <Private_User> morning charl_
[08:52] <Kilos> or did you get the ppa charl_  
[08:53] <Kilos> i used whats in the repos
[08:54] <charl_> Kilos: no the standard
[08:54] <charl_> i don't do much with the ppas
[08:54] <Kilos> wow mine plays dvds fine
[08:54] <Kilos> reinstall
[08:55] <Kilos> you on kde?
[08:55] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[08:56] <Kilos> wbb
[09:00] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[09:00] <Maaz> charl_: Okay :-)
[09:00] <charl_> wb Kilos 
[09:00] <charl_> no i'm still using i3
[09:00] <Kilos> aptitude reinstall vlc
[09:01] <Kilos> it will tell you if there are probs
[09:02] <charl_> no the package installed fine, i think it has something to do with vlc itself
[09:02] <charl_> but nevermind, it doesn't happen that frequently
[11:27] <charl_> wb Kilos 
[11:27] <charl_> nice ! my internet has been upgraded !
[11:27] <charl_> i now have 180mbps
[11:32] <Golynx> wb Kilos
[11:32] <Golynx> charl_ :O
[11:32] <Golynx> whis that even possible 
[11:33] <Golynx> is that*
[11:33] <Kilos> wow
[11:35] <Golynx> if thats in bits then the data would be 180 / 8 = 22.5 MBytes per second
[11:35] <Golynx> still awesome speed 
[11:35] <Kilos> very
[11:36] <Kilos> i smile when i hit 1 mB/s
[11:37] <Golynx> and i dream of someday reaching 1 mB/s :)
[11:37] <Kilos> haha
[11:41] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[11:41] <Vince-0> G'day
[11:42] <charl_> Golynx: the technology is called EuroDOCSIS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#Europe_.E2.80.93_EuroDOCSIS
[11:42] <charl_> it's old and slow
[11:42] <charl_> but fibre is not available in my area
[11:42] <charl_> realistically i will not need more than 180mbps in the years to come though
[11:42] <Vince-0> better agenda items for the meet!
[11:42] <charl_> hey Vince-0 
[11:43] <Vince-0> haai
[11:43] <Vince-0> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/781/detail/
[11:44] <charl_> Vince-0: ubuntu related or tech-related in general ?
[11:46] <Vince-0> general,
[11:46] <Golynx> thats great charl_ , glad it works so well
[11:46] <Golynx> o/ Vince-0
[11:47] <Vince-0> 0/
[11:48] <charl_> Vince-0: dnssec? ipv6?
[11:48] <charl_> i'm really busy working on dnssec right now
[11:49] <charl_> really cool techmology
[11:49] <Vince-0> hmm im looking at the previous ones
[11:50] <Vince-0> how about dnssec on VoIP?
[11:50] <charl_> which type of voip? sip?
[11:50] <Vince-0> yar
[11:50] <Vince-0> trying to find usable webrtc software
[11:50] <charl_> if you connect to a host sip.example.com then i could be handy
[11:50] <charl_> *it
[11:52] <charl_> hahaha http://opensslrampage.org/
[11:52] <charl_> oh that's a good item for the agenda
[11:52] <charl_> libressl
[11:53] <charl_> http://www.libressl.org/
[12:07] <Vince-0> yar and availability 
[12:08] <Vince-0> google and a bunch of corporates just funded one of them, probably openssl
[12:23] <inetpro> good afternoon
[12:24] <Vince-0> hi
[12:25]  * inetpro reported bug #1313079 -  LoCo Team Portal is extremely slow 
[12:25] <inetpro> hi Vince-0
[12:26] <Golynx> hi inetpro
[12:26] <inetpro> hi Golynx
[12:39] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[12:39] <Kilos> you also fing bugs hehe
[12:44] <inetpro> eh
[12:45] <inetpro> guess it doesn't help to just complain amongst us all the time
[12:45] <Kilos> haha
[12:45] <Kilos> what is the bug in?
[12:45] <Kilos> what doesnt work
[12:45] <inetpro> it is just damn slow man
[12:46] <inetpro> performance issues
[12:46] <Kilos> oh what is slow
[12:46] <Kilos> everything or certain apps
[12:46] <inetpro> creating the aganda is a mission and a half
[12:46] <inetpro> agenda as well
[12:46] <Kilos> oh you mean up there
[12:46] <inetpro> yebo yes
[12:46] <Kilos> good man get it fixed
[12:46] <inetpro> haha
[12:48] <Kilos> it opens quite quick here is it when you try add sutffs
[12:48] <Kilos> stuffs
[12:49] <Kilos> only min mense said they attending on g+ hey
[12:50] <Kilos> you are quite clued up. only unity and servers come from canonical still hey?
[12:50] <inetpro> don't trust those numbers, just keep it rolling
[12:50] <Kilos> no more x k and lubuntu's
[12:50] <Kilos> what numbers
[12:50] <inetpro> g+ attendees
[12:51] <Kilos> oh
[12:51] <inetpro> x k an lubuntu's have always been community projects
[12:51] <Kilos> oh didnt they come from canonical before
[12:52] <Kilos> hmm...
[12:52] <inetpro> not directly no
[12:52] <inetpro> they just feed into the same repos
[12:52] <Kilos> i then have a kde in  official wrapper
[12:53] <Kilos> remember when i said i couldnt even get it to connect
[12:53] <Kilos> sjoe who is the old one here
[12:54] <Kilos> kubuntu 9.04 in blue envelope thing
[12:54] <inetpro> there used to be one or two canonical developers involved officially but they phased it out
[12:55] <Kilos> have you looked at the new kubuntu
[12:55] <inetpro> have it running in a vm just to test
[12:55] <Kilos> its good but some stuffs you gotta hunt for
[12:55] <inetpro> like?
[12:55] <Kilos> like the compose key function
[12:56] <Kilos> and how to make opera default browser
[12:56] <Kilos> and they hide the workspace switcher
[12:56] <Kilos> oh pager thing
[12:57] <inetpro> nonsense
[12:57] <inetpro> always been like that
[12:57] <Kilos> and muon isnt installed
[12:57] <inetpro> muon is there as well
[12:57] <Kilos> nee man it used to show 4 by default
[12:57] <Kilos> no
[12:57] <Kilos> muon package manager isnt there
[12:58] <Kilos> i tried with 2 installs
[12:58] <Kilos> the update manager is
[12:58] <Kilos> aptitude install muon and watch
[12:58] <inetpro> press alt+f2 and type muon
[12:58] <Kilos> i type muon in the launcher
[12:59] <Kilos> it used to show now i had to install
[12:59] <inetpro> I have a default install in front of me
[13:00] <Kilos> and it shows if you type muon in the launcher?
[13:00] <inetpro> yebo
[13:00] <Kilos> nee man why didnt mine
[13:01] <inetpro> it says:
[13:01] <inetpro> Muon Discover
[13:01] <inetpro> Software Centre
[13:01] <Kilos> when i tried aptitude reinstall muon it told me it isnt installed
[13:01] <inetpro> Software Center*
[13:01] <Kilos> i dont like software centre
[13:01] <Kilos> too slow
[13:02] <inetpro> because it is called  muon-discover
[13:02] <Kilos> ok
[13:03] <inetpro> and the updater is called muon-updater
[13:04] <Kilos> how do you change your default browser
[13:04] <Kilos> dont work here as it used to
[13:04] <Kilos> i only use ff if opera cant do something
[13:06] <Kilos> anyway nm that, im on unity atm so will forget before i get back to kde
[13:06] <Kilos> i go sleep a bit 
[13:08] <Kilos> maybe watch star wars 4 first
[13:09] <Golynx> which one i that , The phantom menace  
[13:09] <Golynx> is*
[13:09] <Kilos> lemme look
[13:10] <Kilos> a new hope
[13:10] <Golynx> nope thats episode one :D
[13:10] <Kilos> ai!
[13:10] <Golynx> didnt watch the others 2,3 and 4
[13:11] <Kilos> got the complete saga here but they named differently
[13:11] <Golynx> is there space left for that movie 
[13:11] <Kilos> lol i told you once youve written to it you cant add
[13:11] <Golynx> wow cool, i like star wars 
[13:12] <Kilos> lemme see size
[13:12] <Golynx> oh ok
[13:12] <Kilos> 1.1g
[13:12] <Kilos> thats 4
[13:13] <Kilos> they all 1.1g
[13:13] <Golynx> thats too big ya
[13:14] <Kilos> i got 300 movies and series here on ians external
[13:14] <Golynx> i got some full movies sizes are 200mb 
[13:14] <Golynx> but its mobile 3gp
[13:15] <Kilos> mobile stuff is smaller
[13:15] <Golynx> for tiny screens lol
[13:15] <Kilos> even the audio
[13:15] <Kilos> forget its ext now
[13:15] <Kilos> .something
[13:15] <Kilos> .amr
[13:16] <Golynx> ya amr is the lowest quality audio , but the smallest in size
[13:17] <Golynx> its was used mostly for voice recordings on old java phones
[13:17] <Kilos> i used to convert stuff with mobile media converter but havent tried for a coupla releases
[13:19] <Golynx> i had a program on win that converted dvd movies to mobile movies, kept all the quality too, only 4 times less in size though
[13:25] <Kilos> ya mmc does that
[13:26] <Kilos> can convert to lots of different formats
[13:26] <inetpro> Kilos: you could always ask at #kubuntu
[13:27] <Kilos> i have kde experts here so why would i go there? i cant keep up there
[13:28] <inetpro> or at https://plus.google.com/communities/108139456908538054874
[13:28] <Kilos> ai!
[13:28]  * Kilos throws a brick at inetpro 
[13:28] <inetpro> :-)
[13:30] <inetpro> Kilos: you could also join the mailing list at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
[14:37] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[14:37] <inetpro> you make me look for something that was always there and I don't even see it
[14:39] <inetpro> Kilos: System Settings, Default Applications, Web Browser, then click on the little button on the far right side with the three dots and find and click on Opera, then click on the Apply button
[14:39] <inetpro> nothing changed
[14:42] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:42] <Kilos> what you mean nothing changed
[14:43] <inetpro> it was always there
[14:45] <inetpro> I just didn't see Default Applications earlier and was caught by surprise
[14:48] <Kilos> i hunted. lemme go to kde and see
[14:49] <Kilos> Maaz, default apps is <reply>  System Settings, Default Applications, Web Browser, then click on the little button on the far right side with the three dots and find and click on Opera, then click on the Apply button
[14:49] <Maaz> Kilos: If you say so
[14:49] <Kilos> wbb
[14:53] <Kilos> Maaz  default apps
[14:53] <Maaz> System Settings, Default Applications, Web Browser, then click on the little button on the far right side with the three dots and find and click on Opera, then click on the Apply button
[14:54] <inetpro> Kilos: opera is not in the default repositories, how do you even install it?
[14:54] <Kilos> i added the ppa
[14:55] <inetpro> ai!
[14:55] <inetpro> is it really worth it?
[14:55] <Kilos> maybe
[14:55] <Kilos> its faster
[14:55] <Kilos> maybe i didnt
[14:55] <Kilos> Maaz  google opera browser for 14.04
[14:55] <Maaz> Kilos: "How-to Install Opera Mobile Browser Emulator for Ubuntu 14.04 ..." http://tutorialforlinux.com/2014/04/19/how-to-install-opera-mobile-browser-emulator-for-ubuntu-14-04-trusty-lts-64bit-linux-easy-guide/ :: "Tutorial for Linux | How-to Install Opera Browser 32/64bit for Linux ..." http://tutorialforlinux.com/how-to-install-opera-browser-3264bit-for-linux-
[14:55] <Maaz> distro-guides-list/ :: "How to Install diodon clipboard manager on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS or ..." http:/…
[14:55] <Golynx> opera's new webkit series is not yet available for linux. We gotta use the old 12.xx versions and below
[14:56] <Kilos> ah ya it was different so i did the ppa
[14:56] <Kilos> didnt understand the emulator thing
[14:57] <Golynx> haha the emulator is for opera mini for phones
[14:57] <Kilos> in 12.04 it was easy
[14:57] <Kilos> Maaz  google how to install opera browser on 12.04
[14:57] <Maaz> Kilos: "How do I download and install Opera in 12.04? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/169020/how-do-i-download-and-install-opera-in-12-04 :: "Opera 12 Released: How to Install it in Ubuntu 12.04 (Precise ..." http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/06/opera-12-released-how-to-install-it-in-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/ :: "Install Opera in Ubuntu 12.04 |
[14:57] <Maaz> Unixmen" http://www.unixmen.com/install-opera-ubuntu-12-04/ :: "Install Opera Web browser in Ubunt…
[14:59] <Golynx> 12.04 uses the old opera versions before they changed to the webkit rendering engine. Opera has not yet made a version of the new webkit series for linux, so it wont be in the default 14.04 repositories
[15:00]  * inetpro fails to see why one would choose opera over a default firefox
[15:00] <Golynx> i use Opera 12.16
[15:01] <inetpro> If I had to choose I would much rather use Chromium than Opera
[15:01] <inetpro> but that is just me
[15:01] <Golynx> Opera is great for speed and dont waste data that other browsers do, plus a few more tricks
[15:01] <Kilos> ff has large upgrades often
[15:02] <Kilos> opera hardly ever
[15:02] <inetpro> hmm... large?
[15:02] <inetpro> those upgrades happen for a reason
[15:02] <Kilos> 40m or so
[15:02] <Kilos> we done this before
[15:03] <Kilos> dejavous
[15:03] <Kilos> daai ding
[15:04] <inetpro> aptitude -vv show firefox
[15:04] <inetpro> Compressed Size: 17,9 M
[15:04] <Golynx> since opera changed to webkit it lost alot of what made it unique. Since its the same rendering engine chrome uses. Most Windows users who loved opera before hate it now
[15:04] <Kilos> ya and all the extra stuff it does
[15:05] <Kilos> i used ff on windows but never updated anything
[15:05] <Kilos> every update had some or other prob
[15:06] <Kilos> ie super sucks
[15:06] <Golynx> ff is better now though and much lighter
[15:07] <Golynx> still downloads  stuff in the background i dont want
[15:07] <Kilos> anyway inetpro  i installed opera and when i go the settings route it doesnt show as another browser
[15:08] <inetpro> cli is your friend
[15:08] <Kilos> because i cant find where it is in the little window that opens up
[15:08] <inetpro> which opera
[15:09] <Kilos> tell me the command then please
[15:09] <inetpro> which opera
[15:09] <Kilos> sjoe i dunno
[15:09] <inetpro> which opera
[15:09] <Kilos> where do i find that info
[15:09] <inetpro> ai!
[15:09] <inetpro> Kilos: that is the command
[15:09] <Kilos> lol
[15:10] <Kilos> huh
[15:10] <inetpro> type it and press enter
[15:11] <Kilos> if i type in opera it opens opera , dont give me the version
[15:11] <inetpro> go to the cli and type "which opera" and press enter
[15:12] <inetpro> without them ""
[15:12] <Kilos> miles@P64:~$ which opera
[15:12] <Kilos> /usr/bin/opera
[15:12] <inetpro> \o/
[15:12] <Kilos> oh thats where to find it
[15:12] <inetpro> now put that in the default setting for your browser
[15:12] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:14] <inetpro> you done it yet?
[15:14] <Kilos> ty i done that. it used to give the choise when i opened the browsers
[15:14] <Kilos> ya
[15:15] <inetpro> now after you saved that click on a link like http://www.google.com/
[15:15] <inetpro> does it open with opera?
[15:17] <Kilos> no
[15:17] <inetpro> ai!
[15:17] <inetpro> what irc client?
[15:18] <Kilos> konversation
[15:18] <Kilos> it opens in konqueror
[15:18] <Kilos> and from evo links it opens with ff
[15:19] <inetpro> hmm...
[15:19] <Kilos> oi
[15:19] <inetpro> When you click on a highlighted URL anywhere in Konversation, it will launch the default KDE application associated with the MIME type of the URL
[15:19] <Kilos> so i get to remove konqueror
[15:19] <inetpro> so you will have to change the file type thingy as well
[15:19] <inetpro> no
[15:19] <Kilos> ai!
[15:21] <inetpro> go to System Settings, File Associations 
[15:21] <inetpro> expand text and find html
[15:21] <inetpro> then change the Application Preference Order
[15:22] <inetpro> add Opera if it's not there
[15:22] <inetpro> and move it up to the top
[15:22] <inetpro> then press Apply
[15:24] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:24] <inetpro> easy stuff
[15:24] <Kilos> i dont see expand text option
[15:25] <inetpro> ai
[15:25] <inetpro> you see "text"?
[15:25] <Kilos> lemme see
[15:25] <inetpro> under multipart
[15:25] <Kilos> oh ya
[15:25] <inetpro> click on ">"
[15:26] <Kilos> ya see that now ty but so tiny
[15:27] <inetpro> so now it has expanded and you find many more files types
[15:27] <inetpro> now find and click on html
[15:27] <Kilos> found html
[15:27] <Kilos> and moved opera to the top
[15:27] <inetpro> mooi
[15:28] <Kilos> sjoe major job that
[15:28] <inetpro> now click on the link at the top again
[15:29] <inetpro> does it work?
[15:29] <Kilos> yip that worked. ty very much sir
[15:29] <inetpro> cool
[15:30] <Kilos> hey you can look at getting some livestock
[15:30] <Kilos> lemme find out the savings
[15:30] <inetpro> this is what you get when you do things outside of the ordinary
[15:30] <inetpro> you're on your own if you use non-default repositories
[15:31] <Kilos> listen man
[15:31]  * inetpro is ene ore
[15:31] <Kilos> you save over R400 a month on rates if you got sheep goats or cattle
[15:31] <inetpro> huh?
[15:32] <Kilos> dont you pay rates with your lights account
[15:32] <inetpro> ya and?
[15:33] <Kilos> if you got sheep you tell them you a farmer and you get R400 per month off
[15:34] <inetpro> hmm...
[15:34]  * inetpro wonders
[15:34] <inetpro> where do you see that?
[15:35] <inetpro> Kilos: now tell me, if you have not yet removed firefox what is the point of you using opera?
[15:36] <inetpro> it will still download the updates
[15:36] <Kilos> i have locked the version on unity in synaptic
[15:37] <Kilos> gotta work out how to lock versions here
[15:37] <Kilos> the rates thing you can enquire. but i know it here
[15:38]  * inetpro will try to find out about those rates
[15:38] <Kilos> its fact, believe me
[15:38] <Kilos> have i ever led you astray
[15:39] <Kilos> hehe
[15:39] <Kilos> its the only perk farmers get
[15:40] <inetpro> ai!
[15:40] <inetpro> well you have to be in a farming area, I think
[15:41] <Kilos> all plots were farms
[15:41] <inetpro> IIRC my area is zoned a residential these days
[15:41] <inetpro> sad reality
[15:42] <Kilos> no man cant be it they large plots
[15:42] <inetpro> what is large?
[15:42] <Kilos> 2 or 3 hectares
[15:44] <Kilos> if you are allowed to keep livestock its a plot
[15:46]  * inetpro has less than that unfortunately
[15:47] <inetpro> and all around us has been cut up into smaller plots
[15:48] <Kilos> anyway just ask. if you can keep sheep you can get a rates discount
[15:48] <Kilos> will only cost you a fone call
[15:49] <inetpro> how much land do you need per sheep?
[15:49] <Kilos> i see in muon package manager if you right click on a package you can lockk the version 
[15:49] <Kilos> depends on the grass you have i think
[15:50] <inetpro> some other site says: "upto 5 ewes with lambs per acre if reasonable quality and fertiliser use, maybe more if push it"
[15:52] <Kilos> kikuyu can feed lots of sheep
[15:52] <inetpro> so I guess I could push it to about 10
[15:52] <inetpro> if I destroy my garden
[15:53] <inetpro> and if I let them run around the house :-)
[15:53] <Kilos> waching these they eat mixed 1/2 hour on the kikuyu then go to felt grass then eat some weeds then back and so it goes on
[15:53] <Kilos> we lets these here eat around the house as well
[15:53] <inetpro> could save on lawnmower costs
[15:54] <inetpro> but first I would have to find the money for fencing
[15:54] <Kilos> ai! your plot not fenced?
[15:55] <Kilos> what about your dogs
[15:55] <inetpro> anyway, talking nonsense now... will think about it
[15:59] <Kilos> hehe this bug still going, maybe they gonna fix it now
[15:59] <Kilos> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/848164
[16:24] <Private_User> evening all
[16:25] <Kilos> hi Private_User  
[16:25] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[16:39] <Private_User> so whats good people?
[16:47] <Kilos> ubuntu is good in all flavours
[16:48] <Private_User> lol
[16:49] <Private_User> true that
[17:20] <Kilos> yum lekker warm sop
[17:28] <Kilos> hi smile  
[17:29] <smile> hi :)
[17:47] <inetpro> Kilos: the numbers are up to 11 now
[17:56] <Kilos> lol yay
[18:05] <Kilos> is nuvolari  in the circle inetpro  
[18:05] <Kilos> ping him
[18:05] <Kilos> he is getting very slack
[18:06] <Kilos> hi not_found  
[18:06] <not_found> o/
[18:06] <Kilos> bad day for za rugger again
[18:06] <Kilos> sigh
[18:06] <inetpro> Kilos: yes but has not responded 
[18:07] <Kilos> ok ill mail him inetpro  
[18:07] <Kilos> haha rev him via email
[18:07] <inetpro> he'll get another reminder with g+
[18:08] <not_found> at least the cheetah's one
[18:09] <Kilos> that was a great game hey not_found  
[18:09] <Kilos> poor stormers, bad year for them
[18:10] <Kilos> inetpro  told him be here or else
[18:10] <Kilos> hehe
[18:10] <not_found> dunno , I was sleeping
[18:11] <Kilos> is drubin  still alive. or also gone the apartheid route
[18:11] <Kilos> ohi superfly  didnt see you there for a while
[18:12] <Kilos> things getting bad here. spending more and more time on kde
[18:12] <Kilos> poor unity
[18:18] <Kilos> charl_  have you fixed your vlc
[18:22] <Kilos> inetpro  check this out
[18:22] <Kilos> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/2-ways-of-reinstalling-all-of-your.html
[18:22] <Kilos> see i do google 
[18:24] <Kilos> pity its not all in 2 commands
[18:31] <not_found> bbl
[18:34] <Kilos> sjoe 2146 installed apps
[18:34] <Kilos> no wonder pc sweating
[18:41] <Kilos> inetpro  ping
[18:42] <Kilos> is your system upgraded completely?
[19:06] <smile> cu :p
[19:06] <smile> :D
[19:07] <smile> Kilos: if you don't know what to do, read https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciaal:Bijdragen/SmileBot&offset=&limit=500&target=SmileBot
[19:07] <smile> :p
[19:07] <smile> good night! :)
[19:07] <Kilos> night smile  
[19:29] <Kilos> night all .sleep tight