| Aki-Thinkpad | is there an image for 14.10 available yet? | 01:59 |
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| rww | no | 01:59 |
| Aki-Thinkpad | might as well start testing | 01:59 |
| Aki-Thinkpad | rww, shucks | 01:59 |
| Aki-Thinkpad | I figure this one is going to be a real unstable one :) | 02:00 |
| tozen | hi all! is this channel for ubuntu dev branchs testers? | 04:55 |
| Fudge | rww: ppl could upgrade though right? | 08:10 |
| Fudge | through sources.list | 08:10 |
| rww | Fudge: yep | 08:18 |
| antoronson05 | Hello | 09:40 |
| antoronson05 | I have a problem with my Ubuntu 14.04 Os | 09:41 |
| antoronson05 | Please help me to downgrade it to Ubuntu 13.10 | 09:41 |
| elfy | antoronson05: we're already dealing with 14.10 in here now - best place to go would be #ubuntu | 09:57 |
| elfy | though as far as I know downgrading is going to be installing 13.10 over 14.04 | 09:58 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning folks | 10:15 |
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| lordievader | Good afternoon. | 13:23 |
| penguin42 | greetings | 13:30 |
| BluesKaj | running 14.10 Kubuntu here, and the neworking is not auto loading on both eth0 and wifi. Have to run dhclient to connect on both. | 13:30 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: You broken the unicorn already? | 13:31 |
| BluesKaj | penguin42, yup:) | 13:31 |
| BluesKaj | networking's merely an annoyance at this point, the dhclient command does work tho | 13:33 |
| BluesKaj | just doesn't autoconnect at boot | 13:34 |
| BluesKaj | or login, I haven't checked the logs | 13:34 |
| BluesKaj | it shows connected to the modem/router in the panel, but not to the internet. I can ssh into the other pcs on the lan before running dhclient | 13:36 |
| penguin42 | missing the default route? | 13:38 |
| BluesKaj | seems so | 13:38 |
| penguin42 | ip route should show you | 13:38 |
| BluesKaj | ok let me reboot and i'll check | 13:39 |
| junka | hi, is there a release schedule for utopic yet? | 13:41 |
| lordievader | junka: See topic. | 13:41 |
| junka | thanks lordievader | 13:42 |
| BluesKaj | default via 192.168.2.1 dev wlan0 proto static | 13:59 |
| BluesKaj | 192.168.2.0/24 dev wlan0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.2.12 metric 9 | 13:59 |
| penguin42 | hmm, well it's got the default route - can it ping the 192.168.2.1 ? | 13:59 |
| BluesKaj | hmm, ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted | 14:01 |
| lordievader | Firewall being a pita? | 14:02 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: Try that as root? | 14:02 |
| BluesKaj | it pings ok as root | 14:03 |
| penguin42 | it's a bit mean not to let you ping as a normal user | 14:03 |
| penguin42 | ok, so can you ping an external host by ip? | 14:03 |
| BluesKaj | yeah have to sudo ping google.com to get a response, otherwise i get the icmp open socket: Operation not permitted | 14:06 |
| penguin42 | sounds like broken perms on the ping binary? | 14:06 |
| penguin42 | can you do non-ping external connections? | 14:07 |
| penguin42 | something like wget http://www.google.com ? | 14:07 |
| BluesKaj | wget http://www.google.com works | 14:08 |
| BluesKaj | without sudo | 14:08 |
| penguin42 | ok - so external connectivity is all working great - what makes you think it was broken without dhcpc ? | 14:08 |
| Bluefoxicy | So | 14:09 |
| Bluefoxicy | libpam-tmpdir in 14.10 right? :) | 14:09 |
| * penguin42 doesn't know yet - just doing my utopic upgrade on a vm :-) | 14:10 | |
| BluesKaj | it showed the machine was connected to the internet at login altho it wasn't really connected until dhclient was invoked | 14:10 |
| penguin42 | but if you do that ping and that wget before the dhclient did they work? | 14:10 |
| BluesKaj | was connected to the lan tho | 14:10 |
| BluesKaj | no | 14:11 |
| BluesKaj | let me try this on my desktop pc | 14:11 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: OK but what does the route look like prior to the dhclient ? | 14:13 |
| BluesKaj | just got a notice on the desktop reboot about the dhcp server crashing | 14:14 |
| penguin42 | server? | 14:15 |
| lordievader | Are you running your own dhcp server? | 14:15 |
| BluesKaj | no, using net | 14:16 |
| BluesKaj | NM | 14:16 |
| BluesKaj | penguin42, wget http://www.google.com unable to resolve host address | 14:19 |
| penguin42 | ok, does the ping work? | 14:20 |
| BluesKaj | ip route gives the same operation not permitted | 14:20 |
| penguin42 | huh, ok as root | 14:20 |
| BluesKaj | no | 14:21 |
| penguin42 | so, as root what happens? | 14:21 |
| BluesKaj | same , unable to reslve | 14:22 |
| BluesKaj | resolve | 14:22 |
| penguin42 | by IP | 14:22 |
| BluesKaj | the NM icon in the panel shows eth0 is connected tho | 14:23 |
| penguin42 | what happens if you ping by ip as root | 14:24 |
| BluesKaj | sudo ping 4.4.4.4 sending bytes of data but no response | 14:25 |
| penguin42 | use 8.8.8.8 | 14:25 |
| BluesKaj | ok | 14:25 |
| BluesKaj | that works | 14:26 |
| penguin42 | ok, good, so your connectivity is there - just your domain resolution is broken | 14:26 |
| penguin42 | you said your dhcpserver crashed - are you sure it wasn't dnsmasq? | 14:27 |
| BluesKaj | yes I'm sure it said dhcp server | 14:28 |
| penguin42 | curious | 14:28 |
| penguin42 | ok, well you can see what your /etc/resolv.conf says | 14:28 |
| penguin42 | 8.8.8.8 is always a good one to remember, it's owned by google and is just a good ping target | 14:29 |
| penguin42 | (and DNS server) | 14:30 |
| BluesKaj | resolv.conf is empty , probly still written to by /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base | 14:34 |
| BluesKaj | checking /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base | 14:34 |
| penguin42 | empty? | 14:35 |
| penguin42 | I don't think it should be empty | 14:35 |
| penguin42 | resolvconf is supposed to set that up | 14:35 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: Check that you have the resolvconf package installed | 14:39 |
| BluesKaj | penguin42, yeah , newest version | 14:45 |
| * penguin42 wonders what runs resolvconf | 14:46 | |
| BluesKaj | in my case it's probly NM | 14:47 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: My freshly updated vm to utopic can ping as non-root | 14:49 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: (unity this vm) | 14:49 |
| BluesKaj | penguin42, I can ping as root , but not as user | 14:53 |
| BluesKaj | without running dhclient | 14:53 |
| penguin42 | if you run dhclient it changes that? | 14:54 |
| penguin42 | are you sure? I can understand that dhclient would fix up the resolv.conf but I can't see how it can fix the rootiness | 14:54 |
| BluesKaj | yes I'm sure | 14:55 |
| BluesKaj | also have to run dhclient as root | 14:57 |
| BluesKaj | which seems normal | 14:58 |
| penguin42 | ok, that's very weird | 15:01 |
| BluesKaj | when I run dhclient as user = RTNETLINK answers operation not permitted | 15:05 |
| penguin42 | yeh, I expect to need to run dhclient as root, what surprises me is it influences ping's behaviour with an ip | 15:05 |
| BluesKaj | penguin42, I've seen this before with other users, but i don't recall the fix...perhaps NM needs some tweaking by the devs for 14.10 | 15:07 |
| penguin42 | my 14.10 unity is working ok | 15:07 |
| BluesKaj | unity probly uses a different NM setup | 15:08 |
| penguin42 | but I've seen ping require root in two situations 1) Where it doesn't have perms to run at all (screw up in filesystem) and hence I wouldn't expect dhcpcd to fix it, or 2) If the address looks likea broadcast address - but that's also not the case in your situation, so I don't know what's going on | 15:09 |
| BluesKaj | I'd run from the interfaces and resolvconf files but setting it up for wifi and vpn is rather complex so I let NM and openvpn NM take care of the settings | 15:10 |
| penguin42 | yeh, I've never figured out wifi manually | 15:10 |
| BluesKaj | might be a bug in dhcp/NM setting for 14.10 | 15:13 |
| BluesKaj | not auto loading the dhcp server | 15:14 |
| penguin42 | yeh what's confusing for me is I can't see how if dhcp/nm screw up they would produce the failure you're seeing | 15:14 |
| penguin42 | well, I can see most of the failure - just not the ping permission error change | 15:14 |
| BluesKaj | odd tho because dropbox updates fine at login | 15:15 |
| BluesKaj | penguin42, dnsmasq was using 50% of the cpu and it nothing happened after I killed it | 15:46 |
| BluesKaj | on both machines | 15:48 |
| Na3iL | You need to edit /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf file → gksudo gedit /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf | 15:48 |
| Na3iL | then add a # to the line dns=dnsmasq | 15:49 |
| Na3iL | so it will be #dns=dnsmasq | 15:49 |
| Na3iL | and restart it by typing sudo restart network-manager | 15:49 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: Interesting, dns naming has broken in my unity vm - ping by IP still works | 15:54 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: And yes, dnsmasq is eating cpu | 15:54 |
| BluesKaj | Na3iL, thanks for the tip .. restarting NM now | 15:55 |
| Na3iL | you welcome :) | 15:55 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: So it's not just KDE | 15:56 |
| penguin42 | for me dnsmasq appears to be stuck doing socket operations on a pipe | 15:57 |
| penguin42 | hmm, still ff28 in +1 | 16:00 |
| BluesKaj | ok dnsmasq commented out, no longereating cpu for no reason | 16:03 |
| penguin42 | have you reported that bk - since I've just hit the same thing (although for me ping never gives a perm error) | 16:03 |
| BluesKaj | ok penguin42 , connection to internet problem solved...seems dnsmasq was the culprit as you suspected earlier | 16:14 |
| BluesKaj | thanks to Na3iL :) | 16:15 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: Yeh I just hit the same problem on Gnome - although ping was OK - did you report it? | 16:15 |
| Na3iL | you welcome BluesKaj :) | 16:16 |
| BluesKaj | not yet, it's kind of early days, don't you think ? especially if dnsmasq is causing it, some users who use manual networking setups use dnsmasq in their networking files | 16:18 |
| BluesKaj | penguin42,^ | 16:18 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: dnsmasq is broken -> bug | 16:18 |
| BluesKaj | they'll soon discover it | 16:18 |
| Na3iL | dnsmasq is broken on what version of ubuntu ? | 16:18 |
| Na3iL | 14.04 ? | 16:19 |
| BluesKaj | 14.10 | 16:19 |
| BluesKaj | we're bleeding edgers here :) | 16:19 |
| Na3iL | u can report it on launchpad | 16:20 |
| * penguin42 reports it | 16:57 | |
| Na3iL | cool :) | 16:59 |
| penguin42 | bug 1313393 | 17:02 |
| ubottu | bug 1313393 in dnsmasq (Ubuntu) "dnsmasq lockup at 100% cpu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1313393 | 17:02 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: Can you please confirm that one | 17:02 |
| BluesKaj | ok penguin42 , confirmed | 17:03 |
| BluesKaj | bug 1313392 | 17:03 |
| ubottu | bug 1313392 in xorg (Ubuntu) "dnsmasq crashes dhcp/internet connection and uses a lot of cpu " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1313392 | 17:03 |
| BluesKaj | looks like some overlap there :) | 17:04 |
| BluesKaj | penguin42, confirm bug 1313392 | 17:07 |
| ubottu | bug 1313392 in xorg (Ubuntu) "dnsmasq crashes dhcp/internet connection and uses a lot of cpu " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1313392 | 17:07 |
| BluesKaj | BBL ...it's a nice day . yardwork awaits | 17:12 |
| penguin42 | http://imagebin.org/307853 ok - that really shouldn't happen | 19:13 |
| penguin42 | I can't find a way to type into the command box, but still | 19:14 |
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