[01:59] is there an image for 14.10 available yet? [01:59] no [01:59] might as well start testing [01:59] rww, shucks [02:00] I figure this one is going to be a real unstable one :) [04:55] hi all! is this channel for ubuntu dev branchs testers? [08:10] rww: ppl could upgrade though right? [08:10] through sources.list [08:18] Fudge: yep [09:40] Hello [09:41] I have a problem with my Ubuntu 14.04 Os [09:41] Please help me to downgrade it to Ubuntu 13.10 [09:57] antoronson05: we're already dealing with 14.10 in here now - best place to go would be #ubuntu [09:58] though as far as I know downgrading is going to be installing 13.10 over 14.04 [10:15] 'Morning folks === ikonia is now known as Guest55705 [13:23] Good afternoon. [13:30] greetings [13:30] running 14.10 Kubuntu here, and the neworking is not auto loading on both eth0 and wifi. Have to run dhclient to connect on both. [13:31] BluesKaj: You broken the unicorn already? [13:31] penguin42, yup:) [13:33] networking's merely an annoyance at this point, the dhclient command does work tho [13:34] just doesn't autoconnect at boot [13:34] or login, I haven't checked the logs [13:36] it shows connected to the modem/router in the panel, but not to the internet. I can ssh into the other pcs on the lan before running dhclient [13:38] missing the default route? [13:38] seems so [13:38] ip route should show you [13:39] ok let me reboot and i'll check [13:41] hi, is there a release schedule for utopic yet? [13:41] junka: See topic. [13:42] thanks lordievader [13:59] default via 192.168.2.1 dev wlan0 proto static [13:59] 192.168.2.0/24 dev wlan0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.2.12 metric 9 [13:59] hmm, well it's got the default route - can it ping the 192.168.2.1 ? [14:01] hmm, ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted [14:02] Firewall being a pita? [14:02] BluesKaj: Try that as root? [14:03] it pings ok as root [14:03] it's a bit mean not to let you ping as a normal user [14:03] ok, so can you ping an external host by ip? [14:06] yeah have to sudo ping google.com to get a response, otherwise i get the icmp open socket: Operation not permitted [14:06] sounds like broken perms on the ping binary? [14:07] can you do non-ping external connections? [14:07] something like wget http://www.google.com ? [14:08] wget http://www.google.com works [14:08] without sudo [14:08] ok - so external connectivity is all working great - what makes you think it was broken without dhcpc ? [14:09] So [14:09] libpam-tmpdir in 14.10 right? :) [14:10] * penguin42 doesn't know yet - just doing my utopic upgrade on a vm :-) [14:10] it showed the machine was connected to the internet at login altho it wasn't really connected until dhclient was invoked [14:10] but if you do that ping and that wget before the dhclient did they work? [14:10] was connected to the lan tho [14:11] no [14:11] let me try this on my desktop pc [14:13] BluesKaj: OK but what does the route look like prior to the dhclient ? [14:14] just got a notice on the desktop reboot about the dhcp server crashing [14:15] server? [14:15] Are you running your own dhcp server? [14:16] no, using net [14:16] NM [14:19] penguin42, wget http://www.google.com unable to resolve host address [14:20] ok, does the ping work? [14:20] ip route gives the same operation not permitted [14:20] huh, ok as root [14:21] no [14:21] so, as root what happens? [14:22] same , unable to reslve [14:22] resolve [14:22] by IP [14:23] the NM icon in the panel shows eth0 is connected tho [14:24] what happens if you ping by ip as root [14:25] sudo ping 4.4.4.4 sending bytes of data but no response [14:25] use 8.8.8.8 [14:25] ok [14:26] that works [14:26] ok, good, so your connectivity is there - just your domain resolution is broken [14:27] you said your dhcpserver crashed - are you sure it wasn't dnsmasq? [14:28] yes I'm sure it said dhcp server [14:28] curious [14:28] ok, well you can see what your /etc/resolv.conf says [14:29] 8.8.8.8 is always a good one to remember, it's owned by google and is just a good ping target [14:30] (and DNS server) [14:34] resolv.conf is empty , probly still written to by /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base [14:34] checking /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base [14:35] empty? [14:35] I don't think it should be empty [14:35] resolvconf is supposed to set that up [14:39] BluesKaj: Check that you have the resolvconf package installed [14:45] penguin42, yeah , newest version [14:46] * penguin42 wonders what runs resolvconf [14:47] in my case it's probly NM [14:49] BluesKaj: My freshly updated vm to utopic can ping as non-root [14:49] BluesKaj: (unity this vm) [14:53] penguin42, I can ping as root , but not as user [14:53] without running dhclient [14:54] if you run dhclient it changes that? [14:54] are you sure? I can understand that dhclient would fix up the resolv.conf but I can't see how it can fix the rootiness [14:55] yes I'm sure [14:57] also have to run dhclient as root [14:58] which seems normal [15:01] ok, that's very weird [15:05] when I run dhclient as user = RTNETLINK answers operation not permitted [15:05] yeh, I expect to need to run dhclient as root, what surprises me is it influences ping's behaviour with an ip [15:07] penguin42, I've seen this before with other users, but i don't recall the fix...perhaps NM needs some tweaking by the devs for 14.10 [15:07] my 14.10 unity is working ok [15:08] unity probly uses a different NM setup [15:09] but I've seen ping require root in two situations 1) Where it doesn't have perms to run at all (screw up in filesystem) and hence I wouldn't expect dhcpcd to fix it, or 2) If the address looks likea broadcast address - but that's also not the case in your situation, so I don't know what's going on [15:10] I'd run from the interfaces and resolvconf files but setting it up for wifi and vpn is rather complex so I let NM and openvpn NM take care of the settings [15:10] yeh, I've never figured out wifi manually [15:13] might be a bug in dhcp/NM setting for 14.10 [15:14] not auto loading the dhcp server [15:14] yeh what's confusing for me is I can't see how if dhcp/nm screw up they would produce the failure you're seeing [15:14] well, I can see most of the failure - just not the ping permission error change [15:15] odd tho because dropbox updates fine at login [15:46] penguin42, dnsmasq was using 50% of the cpu and it nothing happened after I killed it [15:48] on both machines [15:48] You need to edit /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf file → gksudo gedit /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf [15:49] then add a # to the line dns=dnsmasq [15:49] so it will be #dns=dnsmasq [15:49] and restart it by typing sudo restart network-manager [15:54] BluesKaj: Interesting, dns naming has broken in my unity vm - ping by IP still works [15:54] BluesKaj: And yes, dnsmasq is eating cpu [15:55] Na3iL, thanks for the tip .. restarting NM now [15:55] you welcome :) [15:56] BluesKaj: So it's not just KDE [15:57] for me dnsmasq appears to be stuck doing socket operations on a pipe [16:00] hmm, still ff28 in +1 [16:03] ok dnsmasq commented out, no longereating cpu for no reason [16:03] have you reported that bk - since I've just hit the same thing (although for me ping never gives a perm error) [16:14] ok penguin42 , connection to internet problem solved...seems dnsmasq was the culprit as you suspected earlier [16:15] thanks to Na3iL :) [16:15] BluesKaj: Yeh I just hit the same problem on Gnome - although ping was OK - did you report it? [16:16] you welcome BluesKaj :) [16:18] not yet, it's kind of early days, don't you think ? especially if dnsmasq is causing it, some users who use manual networking setups use dnsmasq in their networking files [16:18] penguin42,^ [16:18] BluesKaj: dnsmasq is broken -> bug [16:18] they'll soon discover it [16:18] dnsmasq is broken on what version of ubuntu ? [16:19] 14.04 ? [16:19] 14.10 [16:19] we're bleeding edgers here :) [16:20] u can report it on launchpad [16:57] * penguin42 reports it [16:59] cool :) [17:02] bug 1313393 [17:02] bug 1313393 in dnsmasq (Ubuntu) "dnsmasq lockup at 100% cpu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1313393 [17:02] BluesKaj: Can you please confirm that one [17:03] ok penguin42 , confirmed [17:03] bug 1313392 [17:03] bug 1313392 in xorg (Ubuntu) "dnsmasq crashes dhcp/internet connection and uses a lot of cpu " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1313392 [17:04] looks like some overlap there :) [17:07] penguin42, confirm bug 1313392 [17:07] bug 1313392 in xorg (Ubuntu) "dnsmasq crashes dhcp/internet connection and uses a lot of cpu " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1313392 [17:12] BBL ...it's a nice day . yardwork awaits [19:13] http://imagebin.org/307853 ok - that really shouldn't happen [19:14] I can't find a way to type into the command box, but still === Guest55705 is now known as ikonia