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Kiloshi bushtech_  welcome to ubuntu-za06:45
Kilosho Golynx_  07:31
Golynx_hi Kilos07:31
=== Golynx_ is now known as Golynx
bushtech_Thanks Kilos07:41
Kilosbushtech_  you here for ubuntu help or are you here to help the noobs?08:15
Kilostell us a bit about yourself08:15
Golynxhi bushtech_08:16
Kiloshi rudi-c  welcome to ubuntu-za08:20
rudi-chi Kilos, thanks for the welcome08:21
Kilosim the greeter bot here08:22
rudi-cah hehehe08:22
Kilostell us about yourself08:22
Kilosim trying to grow this channel but its a major job08:23
rudi-cI'm a person that likes chatting with welcome bots, and I wanted some answers regarding my unity on desktop 14.0408:23
Kilosask and ye shall be helped08:24
Kilosoh my im on kde. wait a while ill boot to unity08:24
Kiloswbb08:25
rudi-ci cant find the answer on google, but i want to know if myunity is still available for 14.04. everything I find is for 13.04 or earlier08:25
Kiloshmm...08:28
Kilosrudi-c, if its serious tech help you need you might need to hang here all day08:28
Kilosthe brains only get here at night'08:28
Golynxhi rudi-c and welcome!08:33
KilosGolynx, you need to get a good desktop pc so you can run unity too then i can rest08:33
GolynxKilos that will take a while. Maybe 2015 or so08:34
Kilossjoe ill be dead by then man08:34
Kilosoh its next year so maybe not08:34
Golynxdont say such things man08:34
Kiloshehe08:35
Golynxyou stilll a young lad :)08:35
Kilosoi08:35
Golynxkeep the heart young and the body will follow till 100 years old08:36
Kiloswhew08:36
Golynxmany switching to 14.04 . Cause its an LTS ?08:39
Kilosyeah and its good08:39
Kilosone of the best releases08:40
rudi-cevery new release is the best one yet :)08:40
Kilosno man08:40
Kilosi loved 10.1008:40
rudi-cyes and i loves 6.03, but it's not as nice as 14.0408:41
Kilosunity took lots of getting used to08:41
Kiloslol08:41
Golynxthats good, lighter and faster should be the defacto for ubuntu in the future08:41
rudi-clinux took a lot of getting used to08:41
Kilosok what unity questions you have rudi-c ?08:41
Kilosyeah the switch from windows is a brain tease08:42
rudi-ci have the answer i needed, thanks. the answer was unity-tweak-tool08:43
Kilosah yes i used that too08:43
rudi-cyeah windows in nice, i used it to download ubuntu08:43
Kiloslol08:43
Golynxlol08:43
Kilosrudi-c, you must stay here with us08:43
Kiloswe here every day08:44
rudi-cis Kilos and Golynx both bots?08:44
Kilosno only bot here is maaz08:44
KilosMaaz, coffee on08:44
* Maaz starts grinding coffee08:44
GolynxMaaz coffee please08:44
MaazGolynx: Okay08:44
Golynxlol rudi-c i am human08:45
Golynxjust programming make me feel like a bot sometimes08:45
MaazCoffee's ready for Kilos and Golynx!08:48
KilosMaaz, danke08:48
MaazBitteschön08:48
GolynxMaaz thanks08:48
MaazGolynx: Okay :-)08:48
rudi-chehehe08:49
Golynxstrange that switching off ipv6 speeds up internet speed 08:51
rudi-cit's hard to say who you chatting to :)08:53
Golynxrudi-c what do you mean08:53
Golynxare you not used to irc08:54
rudi-clast time i used irc a lot was probably 2004 maybe09:00
Golynxoh , that explains the confusion then :)09:01
rudi-cyeah probably09:02
Golynxif you stick around some more and you will get used to it again09:02
rudi-ci needed some info on ubuntu desktop and for interest sake searched SA and this came up09:03
rudi-cyes i'm using ubuntu a lot now, so i'll probably use irc a bit more09:03
Golynxhaha, i also found this channel on google December 2013. The same as you i was searching for help from ubuntu experts in SA09:05
Golynxthats good, you can always keep your irc client open now that you using ubuntu alot09:07
Golynxwb Kilos09:07
rudi-cyes i could, but this pc isn't on permanently09:07
rudi-cGolynx, which ubuntu do you use09:08
Golynxah ok , no problem you can come when you are able :)09:09
Golynxi use ubuntu 12.0409:09
Kilosty Golynx 09:09
rudi-cis there a reason you dont update?09:09
Golynxbut gonna switch to 14.0409:09
GolynxKilos np09:09
Golynxrudi-c ya i am waiting for a dvd, i dont have internet speed to download 14.04 :)09:10
rudi-cyeah i had 11.04 on my previous pc and eventually my memory packed up and i couldn't upgrade, so now i have a new pc for ubuntu and after my install of 13.10 i checked for updates and 14.04 was available so i didi it09:11
rudi-cwhere are you from?09:11
Golynxi actually use xubuntu, its much faster than unity. But i dont have enough recources to run unity so xubuntu will do for me09:11
rudi-cdont you still get those freedom toasters09:12
rudi-cwhere you could copy it for free?09:12
Golynxi'm far from major cities though deep in the western cape. Those freedom toasters are mostly at universities and stuff09:13
rudi-chttp://www.freedomtoaster.org/products/09:14
rudi-ccheck there09:14
Golynxrudi-c thanks for the link, but i dont need to upgrade that much. Mostly use ubuntu for web development. In a few months time i will have a better internet connection, so that issue will hopefully be sorted then :)09:18
Golynxis that where you got you're ubuntu09:20
rudi-cno i downloaded it09:21
rudi-ci have adsl with about 40gb per month, so i just download whatever i want now09:22
rudi-cnot that i do a lot of downloading09:22
rudi-cwhat web dev work do you do?09:22
rudi-cdo you use bluefish, or what do you use?09:23
Golynxwow, thats alot of data 09:24
Golynxi design websites and smartphone applications. Plus web software for the server side with php and python09:25
Golynxi use the netbeans IDE for all my dev work09:25
Golynxbluefish is good , but the first time i used it i couldn't drag drop a file onto it. That was a downer for me that made me leave it. Gedit is better as a lightweight text editor09:27
rudi-cah ok, that stuff is way over my head. i do some simple web design for a few clients that dont want or cant afford the big database driven sites09:27
rudi-ci prefer something like dreamweaver, but in ubuntu the only thing i found so far was bluefish. i'd like something a bit closer to DW, but that drag and drop sounds like a nice thing to have09:28
Golynxnice, html5 is good for that. You can store client info on the browser instead of a mysql webserver that will cost more09:30
Kiloseish09:30
Golynxyeah, bluefish lacks some things needed for it to be compared to DW. 09:31
Golynxwb Kilos :)09:31
rudi-cyes it lacks a bit09:32
rudi-cbut hey, if you have nothing it's beats doing it in notepad in win09:32
Golynxi mis notepad++ from windows , that is the best all in one text/code editor09:33
Kiloswhat you doing? libreoffice can do lots09:33
Golynxstill nothing beats a full IDE though , like netbeans09:34
rudi-ci'm going to check it out09:34
GolynxKilos libre Office uses 1999 standard html for its webpage generating :p09:35
Kilosoh you doing web pages09:35
Golynxmost of it are deprecated tags thats not used anymore and not encouraged to be used anymore09:36
Golynxya he wants something similar to dreamweaver in windows09:36
Kilosoi09:37
rudi-cnetbeans looks like a nice option09:37
rudi-ci'm gonna download it right now09:38
Golynxrudi-c i use the php version of netbeans with all html5 and web development goodies included https://netbeans.org/features/php/09:38
rudi-ci only do html and css, nothing else really, it's a lack of knowledge :)09:41
rudi-cbut i'm going to download it anyway, it looks nice09:41
Golynx_net bugs :-/09:43
charl_good morning09:45
charl_Maaz: coffee opn09:45
Maazcharl_: *blink*09:45
charl_Maaz: coffee on09:45
* Maaz puts the kettle on09:45
charl_Kilos: my vlc works fine for most of the time, it only seems to crash when the disk gets busy09:45
Golynx_rudi-c i gave wrong link before , here is for html5 https://netbeans.org/features/html5/09:46
Kiloshi charl_ 09:46
charl_so at least i managed to narrow down the problem - its io related09:46
Golynx_hi charl_09:46
Kilosram shortage?09:46
=== Golynx_ is now known as Golynx
charl_no for example let's say i'm playing something and doing updates at the same time09:46
charl_hi Golynx 09:47
Kilostoo much for the cpu?09:47
MaazCoffee's ready for charl_!09:49
charl_Maaz: thanks10:02
Maazcharl_: Sure10:02
charl_Kilos: i think it's a disk io issue10:03
charl_Kilos: when it can't buffer from the disk it freaks out10:03
Kilosoi10:03
Kilosgrrrrr10:10
bushtechThank Golynx. Hi12:19
nlsthznI am the terror that flaps in the night12:25
bushtechKilos: Bit of both. I'm just an old toppie whose always been fascinated by computers and software. Got into linux couple years ago when I built an Ubuntu raid server for backing up our computers. Then the slippery slope really started. Wanted some home entertainment/management programme and got into linuxmce. The rest, as they say, is history12:26
Kiloshi nlsthzn 12:27
nlsthznhello uncle Kilos , all12:27
Kilosgreat news bushtech im a toppie too12:28
bushtechHope you started learning C++ earlier than me12:29
Kilosnope i dont do any programming12:29
Kilosthats for the guys here to do12:29
Kilosi only started on pcs in about 2006 i think12:31
bushtechWise move at our age. don't know if I'm going manage to scale that mountain12:32
Kiloslol12:32
Kilosif you want to learn programming why not go with python12:32
Kilosget the book byteofpython to start with12:33
KilosMaaz, google byteofpython12:33
MaazKilos: "A Byte of Python - Swaroop CH" http://www.swaroopch.com/notes/python/ :: "A Byte of Python - Ibiblio" http://www.ibiblio.org/swaroopch/byteofpython/read/ :: "A Byte of Python (PDF) - Ibiblio" http://www.ibiblio.org/g2swap/byteofpython/files/120/byteofpython_120.pdf :: "A Byte of Python" http://www.byteofpython.info/ :: "Free PDF: A Byte of Python by Swaroop12:33
MaazC H" http://freepdfs.org/pdf/a-byte-of-python :: "A Byte of Python e-book - LinuxTone.Org" htt…12:33
bushtechfor all I know about python it could have been called pofadder12:34
Kiloshahaha12:34
Kilosi tried but memory stuffed12:34
bushtechrefuse to admit that to myself12:35
Kiloslol how toppie are you?12:36
bushtech5812:36
Kilosim 63 in june12:36
Kiloswe have another ballie that uses ubuntu as well thats in his 70's12:37
Kilosif you ever need help there are top programmers here12:37
bushtechI think thats blerrie impressive12:38
Kilosyeah12:38
bushtechEish, they better keep a low profile!12:38
Kilosyou guys can also join out mailing list, one can learn lots from see others be helped12:39
Kilosno man someone gotta guide the kids12:39
Kiloshere is the link to the mailing list12:40
Kiloshttp://bit.ly/MCOujZ12:40
Kiloswho you wanna frighten nlsthzn 12:41
nlsthzn?12:41
Kilos<nlsthzn> I am the terror that flaps in the night12:42
bushtechunless theres somebody here who knows all about connecting a thin client thats got a lightning struck lan port which I now want to connect via USB with alan/USB connector12:42
nlsthznI mostly frighten myself12:42
Kilospeeps here know everything about pcs12:43
Kilosonly not me12:43
Kilosi can only help with basics12:43
Kilosalso bushtech there are many guys on the list that are linux experts too so join and drop a mail there12:44
Kiloshmm... frightened him away13:02
Kiloswb rudi-c bushtech Golynx 13:59
Golynxty Kilos14:01
Golynxwb rudi-c14:01
Kiloswhat a quiet day15:02
* Golynx puts earplugs in ears to muffle the crickets noise15:08
Kiloslol15:08
Golynx:D15:08
Kiloscatch them and go fishing15:09
Golynxdams are dry and muddy here15:09
Kilosai!15:09
Golynxlots of cats though15:09
Kilosyou cant eat cats man15:10
Golynxhahaha cats are hungry for crickets15:10
Kiloshehe15:10
Kiloshey try that sig-gen maybe you can find a frequency that chases them15:11
Kilosid forgotten about that thing15:13
Golynxi was kidding lol, no crickets here in autumn15:15
Kiloshehe15:15
Golynxmaube when summer comes the sig-gen can come in handy15:15
Golynxmaybe*15:15
KilosMaaz, coffee on17:38
* Maaz starts grinding coffee17:38
KilosMaaz, hurry17:38
MaazMaking decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed17:38
MaazCoffee's ready for Kilos!17:42
KilosMaaz, ty17:42
MaazYou are welcome Kilos17:42
KilosGolynx, you here?17:51
Golynxyeah, in and out :)17:53
Kiloshttp://askubuntu.com/questions/59632/basic-web-development-ide-editor-like-dreamweaver17:54
Golynxthat one is for rudi-c , he wanted a dreamweaver equivalent in ubuntu17:55
Kilosok try remember if he comes back17:56
Golynxi suggested netbeans html5 version , he seemed to like it 17:56
Golynxthe same one i ask you to download for me17:56
Kilosoh ok17:56
Golynxok will try remember when he comes17:57
Kilosbut if you look at that does is look easy to use17:57
Kilosi know nothing of that stuff17:57
Kilosi thought maybe a dreamweaver user would find a similar thing easy to use17:58
Golynxi never used dreamweaver before though, cause i couldnt afford the software :)17:59
Kilosok17:59
Golynxits good for newbies or people that find it hard to write code , design in html css javascript and such18:00
Kilosah18:00
Golynxits mostly text editors with html some web dev support in the link you gave. No real alternative for dreamweaver in linux though18:01
Kilosok18:02
Kilosi remember someone was here 6 months ago or more also looking for an equivalent18:02
Golynxso rudi-c will have to go for a full IDE that provides everything he needs to develop for his small business clients. Netbeans is easier to learn of the IDE's 18:02
Golynxhi captine18:03
Kiloshi captine 18:03
captineevining Golynx , Kilos 18:03
captinehow you all doing18:03
Kilosok ty and you?18:04
Golynxya i tried long to find software similar to stuff i used on windows. But mostly i just mix programs with a feature for something i need on each one , instead of an all in one like in windows18:05
Kilosok18:05
captinegood18:10
Golynxnight guys , early night with headache :)18:35
inetprogood evening20:03
Kilosnlsthzn, why you not in bed yet?20:03
inetproKilos: hmm... you have new friends?20:03
Kilosohi superfly 20:03
Kiloshi inetpro 20:03
Kiloswhere inetpro ?20:03
inetprobushtech and rudi-c20:04
Kilosoh yay ya another ballie so i dont feel alone20:04
inetproalways nice to see new faces here20:04
inetproKilos: did you invite them to the meeting yet?20:04
Kilosi think i did mention the meeting yes20:05
inetproahh...20:05
Kilosbushtech, you here?20:05
* inetpro just scanned through the backlogs very quickly20:05
Kilosbut a bally thats doing c++ whew20:06
inetprothat is rare for sure20:06
bushtechKilos: yep20:06
inetprobushtech: welcome to #ubuntu-za 20:07
inetprohope you will be back often20:07
Kilosmeet inetpro and superfly bushtech they are like our main guides here20:07
inetprohmm...20:07
bushtechplease excuse my irc sex. having a running battle with Vodacom with my 3G connection20:07
inetproai!20:08
bushtechThanks inetpro20:08
Kiloswhen i was still only a mechanic they taught me everything i know about pcs today20:08
Kilosbushtech, what isp?20:08
inetproKilos: he said VC20:09
Kilosoh sorrygo 8ta20:09
inetprobushtech: what area are you from?20:09
Kilosbushtech, what area20:09
Kiloshaha20:09
Kilosyou to fast inetpro 20:09
inetpro:-)20:09
bushtechI stay in the bush. 8ta has never heard of this area lol20:10
inetproeish!20:10
Kiloson a farm?20:10
bushtechVaalkopdam. 37 km from Sun City as the crow flies20:11
inetprointeresting20:11
bushtechNature conservancy20:11
Kilosgreat20:11
Kilosthen just keep revving them20:11
Kilosbetter to email their coe or catch him on twitter20:11
Kilosceo20:12
inetproKilos: very interesting to see another one of them20:12
bushtechhow do you rev a sleeping monster 20:12
Kilosonly way i got service outa them20:12
Kiloslol with a big stick20:12
inetpromagespawn will be happy20:12
Kilostwet the ceo and watch how quick you get action20:12
Kilostweet20:12
* superfly is playing minetest20:13
superflyhorribly, horribly addictive20:13
Kilosthey know everyone sees twiter messages so they make plans quick to keep the image of good service going20:13
bushtechFrom Vodacom: Your network query is currently under perfomance trailing. You will be contacted once it has been resolved.20:14
bushtechwill give it a try if this fails20:14
bushtechtweet I'm talkin'about20:15
inetprobushtech: if Vodacom is your only option I suggest you install a directional antenna for a steady signal20:15
Kiloshere is their email addy bushtech 20:15
Kilosmailto:Tswai@vodacom.co.za20:15
inetproif you don't have that yet20:15
superflyyeah, what inetpro said20:15
inetproand obviously get a router with a port for an external antenna20:16
Kilossuperfly, what kinda game is that20:16
Kilosand how big download20:16
bushtechI've had a yagi up here for a long time. gettiing tired of standing on a ladder realigning yagi as I jump from tower to tower20:16
Kiloseish20:17
superflyKilos: have you heard of MineCraft?20:17
Kilosnever superfly 20:17
superflyKilos: it's basically a game where you can build stuff20:18
superflyit's got some basic rules, but no real end objective20:18
Kilosbushtech, go to the closest tower and get the number off the gate and mail voda and say that tower is sick20:18
superflyminetest is the open source clone20:18
bushtechKilos: Thanks for that email addy20:18
Kilosyw20:18
Kilosi fought with them lots20:19
Kilosfoning the helpdesk you just get a runaround20:19
Kilosthey have preprogrammed answers20:19
bushtechgot open signal ans cell map on my phone. Know the tower CID's and where they are20:19
Kilosgood put that info in the email20:20
bushtechOh Yes20:20
Kilosthen they see you not some kid they can spin a yarn to20:20
Kiloshow far is the nearest tower from you?20:21
bushtechThey said could take 14 days to sort. 10 to go then the fun starts20:21
inetprobushtech: give them a hard time until they sort it out20:21
bushtech15,6km20:22
inetprounfortunately you will have to call several times if you want it sorted 20:22
Kiloswhew 20:22
inetproterrible service we have in this dear land of ours20:22
Kiloswhat kinda of signal do you get on a cell phone20:22
bushtechwith the yagi I get HSPA+ when their #$%$## tower is working20:23
inetprothe money comes way too easy from the big cities 20:23
Kilosoh thats great then rev them daily20:23
inetprorural areas are always neglected20:24
bushtechI'll keep at them. Not going back to sat signal at 3k/month20:24
Kiloswow20:24
bushtechlife in the bush is interesting heh20:25
inetproHSPA+ is very usable if it works20:25
bushtechbest I can hope for here20:26
* inetpro calling it a night20:27
Kilosnight inetpro sleep tight20:27
inetprogood night everyone20:27
bushtechsleep tight20:28
inetprobut before I go, bushtech remember our meeting on Tuesday20:28
inetprosee Agenda in the topic20:29
bushtechmust have missed something, news to me20:29
Kilosits our monthly meeting here at 20.3020:29
inetprowe have monthly meetings just to keep us going, every 4th Tuesday of the month20:29
bushtechAh Ok20:29
inetprojust informal stuffs... nothing serious20:30
Kilosbut better if you here everyday20:30
Kiloshehe20:30
inetprosome peeps tend to come in here just for the meetings20:30
bushtechI monitor other irc channels so I'm 24/7 tower permitting20:31
inetpronice20:31
* inetpro is off20:31
Kiloscool, make this your number 1 channel20:31
Kilosnag gussie20:31
bushtechhmmm. need to know what those devs have broken on another channel20:33
Kilosour devs fix things not break then20:34
bushtechupwards of a million lines of code sitting on top of ubuntu. hard not to break something20:36
Kiloslol20:38
Kiloswhat release are you using?20:39
Kiloscant member if you told us earlier20:39
bushtech120420:40
Kilosi used that till about 3 weeks ago20:40
Kilos14.04 is a bit better i think20:40
captinecheers all.20:40
Kilosnight captine 20:40
Kilos12.04 gave me untold probs with 3g20:41
Kilosin kde and unity20:42
bushtechhavent noticed that on 1204 once I got it working20:42
Kilosdoes it auto connect?20:42
Kilosoh you have 3g from a router?20:43
bushtechyep20:43
Kilosonly the usb modems have the auto connect prob20:44
bushtechAh, I'm using a card20:45
Kilosah20:45
Kiloseish superfly like building blocks?20:48
Kilosngith all. sleep tight21:11
Kilosnight as well21:11
bushtechnight Kilos21:14

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