[06:45] hi bushtech_ welcome to ubuntu-za [07:31] ho Golynx_ [07:31] hi Kilos === Golynx_ is now known as Golynx [07:41] Thanks Kilos [08:15] bushtech_ you here for ubuntu help or are you here to help the noobs? [08:15] tell us a bit about yourself [08:16] hi bushtech_ [08:20] hi rudi-c welcome to ubuntu-za [08:21] hi Kilos, thanks for the welcome [08:22] im the greeter bot here [08:22] ah hehehe [08:22] tell us about yourself [08:23] im trying to grow this channel but its a major job [08:23] I'm a person that likes chatting with welcome bots, and I wanted some answers regarding my unity on desktop 14.04 [08:24] ask and ye shall be helped [08:24] oh my im on kde. wait a while ill boot to unity [08:25] wbb [08:25] i cant find the answer on google, but i want to know if myunity is still available for 14.04. everything I find is for 13.04 or earlier [08:28] hmm... [08:28] rudi-c, if its serious tech help you need you might need to hang here all day [08:28] the brains only get here at night' [08:33] hi rudi-c and welcome! [08:33] Golynx, you need to get a good desktop pc so you can run unity too then i can rest [08:34] Kilos that will take a while. Maybe 2015 or so [08:34] sjoe ill be dead by then man [08:34] oh its next year so maybe not [08:34] dont say such things man [08:35] hehe [08:35] you stilll a young lad :) [08:35] oi [08:36] keep the heart young and the body will follow till 100 years old [08:36] whew [08:39] many switching to 14.04 . Cause its an LTS ? [08:39] yeah and its good [08:40] one of the best releases [08:40] every new release is the best one yet :) [08:40] no man [08:40] i loved 10.10 [08:41] yes and i loves 6.03, but it's not as nice as 14.04 [08:41] unity took lots of getting used to [08:41] lol [08:41] thats good, lighter and faster should be the defacto for ubuntu in the future [08:41] linux took a lot of getting used to [08:41] ok what unity questions you have rudi-c ? [08:42] yeah the switch from windows is a brain tease [08:43] i have the answer i needed, thanks. the answer was unity-tweak-tool [08:43] ah yes i used that too [08:43] yeah windows in nice, i used it to download ubuntu [08:43] lol [08:43] lol [08:43] rudi-c, you must stay here with us [08:44] we here every day [08:44] is Kilos and Golynx both bots? [08:44] no only bot here is maaz [08:44] Maaz, coffee on [08:44] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [08:44] Maaz coffee please [08:44] Golynx: Okay [08:45] lol rudi-c i am human [08:45] just programming make me feel like a bot sometimes [08:48] Coffee's ready for Kilos and Golynx! [08:48] Maaz, danke [08:48] Bitteschön [08:48] Maaz thanks [08:48] Golynx: Okay :-) [08:49] hehehe [08:51] strange that switching off ipv6 speeds up internet speed [08:53] it's hard to say who you chatting to :) [08:53] rudi-c what do you mean [08:54] are you not used to irc [09:00] last time i used irc a lot was probably 2004 maybe [09:01] oh , that explains the confusion then :) [09:02] yeah probably [09:02] if you stick around some more and you will get used to it again [09:03] i needed some info on ubuntu desktop and for interest sake searched SA and this came up [09:03] yes i'm using ubuntu a lot now, so i'll probably use irc a bit more [09:05] haha, i also found this channel on google December 2013. The same as you i was searching for help from ubuntu experts in SA [09:07] thats good, you can always keep your irc client open now that you using ubuntu alot [09:07] wb Kilos [09:07] yes i could, but this pc isn't on permanently [09:08] Golynx, which ubuntu do you use [09:09] ah ok , no problem you can come when you are able :) [09:09] i use ubuntu 12.04 [09:09] ty Golynx [09:09] is there a reason you dont update? [09:09] but gonna switch to 14.04 [09:09] Kilos np [09:10] rudi-c ya i am waiting for a dvd, i dont have internet speed to download 14.04 :) [09:11] yeah i had 11.04 on my previous pc and eventually my memory packed up and i couldn't upgrade, so now i have a new pc for ubuntu and after my install of 13.10 i checked for updates and 14.04 was available so i didi it [09:11] where are you from? [09:11] i actually use xubuntu, its much faster than unity. But i dont have enough recources to run unity so xubuntu will do for me [09:12] dont you still get those freedom toasters [09:12] where you could copy it for free? [09:13] i'm far from major cities though deep in the western cape. Those freedom toasters are mostly at universities and stuff [09:14] http://www.freedomtoaster.org/products/ [09:14] check there [09:18] rudi-c thanks for the link, but i dont need to upgrade that much. Mostly use ubuntu for web development. In a few months time i will have a better internet connection, so that issue will hopefully be sorted then :) [09:20] is that where you got you're ubuntu [09:21] no i downloaded it [09:22] i have adsl with about 40gb per month, so i just download whatever i want now [09:22] not that i do a lot of downloading [09:22] what web dev work do you do? [09:23] do you use bluefish, or what do you use? [09:24] wow, thats alot of data [09:25] i design websites and smartphone applications. Plus web software for the server side with php and python [09:25] i use the netbeans IDE for all my dev work [09:27] bluefish is good , but the first time i used it i couldn't drag drop a file onto it. That was a downer for me that made me leave it. Gedit is better as a lightweight text editor [09:27] ah ok, that stuff is way over my head. i do some simple web design for a few clients that dont want or cant afford the big database driven sites [09:28] i prefer something like dreamweaver, but in ubuntu the only thing i found so far was bluefish. i'd like something a bit closer to DW, but that drag and drop sounds like a nice thing to have [09:30] nice, html5 is good for that. You can store client info on the browser instead of a mysql webserver that will cost more [09:30] eish [09:31] yeah, bluefish lacks some things needed for it to be compared to DW. [09:31] wb Kilos :) [09:32] yes it lacks a bit [09:32] but hey, if you have nothing it's beats doing it in notepad in win [09:33] i mis notepad++ from windows , that is the best all in one text/code editor [09:33] what you doing? libreoffice can do lots [09:34] still nothing beats a full IDE though , like netbeans [09:34] i'm going to check it out [09:35] Kilos libre Office uses 1999 standard html for its webpage generating :p [09:35] oh you doing web pages [09:36] most of it are deprecated tags thats not used anymore and not encouraged to be used anymore [09:36] ya he wants something similar to dreamweaver in windows [09:37] oi [09:37] netbeans looks like a nice option [09:38] i'm gonna download it right now [09:38] rudi-c i use the php version of netbeans with all html5 and web development goodies included https://netbeans.org/features/php/ [09:41] i only do html and css, nothing else really, it's a lack of knowledge :) [09:41] but i'm going to download it anyway, it looks nice [09:43] net bugs :-/ [09:45] good morning [09:45] Maaz: coffee opn [09:45] charl_: *blink* [09:45] Maaz: coffee on [09:45] * Maaz puts the kettle on [09:45] Kilos: my vlc works fine for most of the time, it only seems to crash when the disk gets busy [09:46] rudi-c i gave wrong link before , here is for html5 https://netbeans.org/features/html5/ [09:46] hi charl_ [09:46] so at least i managed to narrow down the problem - its io related [09:46] hi charl_ [09:46] ram shortage? === Golynx_ is now known as Golynx [09:46] no for example let's say i'm playing something and doing updates at the same time [09:47] hi Golynx [09:47] too much for the cpu? [09:49] Coffee's ready for charl_! [10:02] Maaz: thanks [10:02] charl_: Sure [10:03] Kilos: i think it's a disk io issue [10:03] Kilos: when it can't buffer from the disk it freaks out [10:03] oi [10:10] grrrrr [12:19] Thank Golynx. Hi [12:25] I am the terror that flaps in the night [12:26] Kilos: Bit of both. I'm just an old toppie whose always been fascinated by computers and software. Got into linux couple years ago when I built an Ubuntu raid server for backing up our computers. Then the slippery slope really started. Wanted some home entertainment/management programme and got into linuxmce. The rest, as they say, is history [12:27] hi nlsthzn [12:27] hello uncle Kilos , all [12:28] great news bushtech im a toppie too [12:29] Hope you started learning C++ earlier than me [12:29] nope i dont do any programming [12:29] thats for the guys here to do [12:31] i only started on pcs in about 2006 i think [12:32] Wise move at our age. don't know if I'm going manage to scale that mountain [12:32] lol [12:32] if you want to learn programming why not go with python [12:33] get the book byteofpython to start with [12:33] Maaz, google byteofpython [12:33] Kilos: "A Byte of Python - Swaroop CH" http://www.swaroopch.com/notes/python/ :: "A Byte of Python - Ibiblio" http://www.ibiblio.org/swaroopch/byteofpython/read/ :: "A Byte of Python (PDF) - Ibiblio" http://www.ibiblio.org/g2swap/byteofpython/files/120/byteofpython_120.pdf :: "A Byte of Python" http://www.byteofpython.info/ :: "Free PDF: A Byte of Python by Swaroop [12:33] C H" http://freepdfs.org/pdf/a-byte-of-python :: "A Byte of Python e-book - LinuxTone.Org" htt… [12:34] for all I know about python it could have been called pofadder [12:34] hahaha [12:34] i tried but memory stuffed [12:35] refuse to admit that to myself [12:36] lol how toppie are you? [12:36] 58 [12:36] im 63 in june [12:37] we have another ballie that uses ubuntu as well thats in his 70's [12:37] if you ever need help there are top programmers here [12:38] I think thats blerrie impressive [12:38] yeah [12:38] Eish, they better keep a low profile! [12:39] you guys can also join out mailing list, one can learn lots from see others be helped [12:39] no man someone gotta guide the kids [12:40] here is the link to the mailing list [12:40] http://bit.ly/MCOujZ [12:41] who you wanna frighten nlsthzn [12:41] ? [12:42] I am the terror that flaps in the night [12:42] unless theres somebody here who knows all about connecting a thin client thats got a lightning struck lan port which I now want to connect via USB with alan/USB connector [12:42] I mostly frighten myself [12:43] peeps here know everything about pcs [12:43] only not me [12:43] i can only help with basics [12:44] also bushtech there are many guys on the list that are linux experts too so join and drop a mail there [13:02] hmm... frightened him away [13:59] wb rudi-c bushtech Golynx [14:01] ty Kilos [14:01] wb rudi-c [15:02] what a quiet day [15:08] * Golynx puts earplugs in ears to muffle the crickets noise [15:08] lol [15:08] :D [15:09] catch them and go fishing [15:09] dams are dry and muddy here [15:09] ai! [15:09] lots of cats though [15:10] you cant eat cats man [15:10] hahaha cats are hungry for crickets [15:10] hehe [15:11] hey try that sig-gen maybe you can find a frequency that chases them [15:13] id forgotten about that thing [15:15] i was kidding lol, no crickets here in autumn [15:15] hehe [15:15] maube when summer comes the sig-gen can come in handy [15:15] maybe* [17:38] Maaz, coffee on [17:38] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [17:38] Maaz, hurry [17:38] Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed [17:42] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [17:42] Maaz, ty [17:42] You are welcome Kilos [17:51] Golynx, you here? [17:53] yeah, in and out :) [17:54] http://askubuntu.com/questions/59632/basic-web-development-ide-editor-like-dreamweaver [17:55] that one is for rudi-c , he wanted a dreamweaver equivalent in ubuntu [17:56] ok try remember if he comes back [17:56] i suggested netbeans html5 version , he seemed to like it [17:56] the same one i ask you to download for me [17:56] oh ok [17:57] ok will try remember when he comes [17:57] but if you look at that does is look easy to use [17:57] i know nothing of that stuff [17:58] i thought maybe a dreamweaver user would find a similar thing easy to use [17:59] i never used dreamweaver before though, cause i couldnt afford the software :) [17:59] ok [18:00] its good for newbies or people that find it hard to write code , design in html css javascript and such [18:00] ah [18:01] its mostly text editors with html some web dev support in the link you gave. No real alternative for dreamweaver in linux though [18:02] ok [18:02] i remember someone was here 6 months ago or more also looking for an equivalent [18:02] so rudi-c will have to go for a full IDE that provides everything he needs to develop for his small business clients. Netbeans is easier to learn of the IDE's [18:03] hi captine [18:03] hi captine [18:03] evining Golynx , Kilos [18:03] how you all doing [18:04] ok ty and you? [18:05] ya i tried long to find software similar to stuff i used on windows. But mostly i just mix programs with a feature for something i need on each one , instead of an all in one like in windows [18:05] ok [18:10] good [18:35] night guys , early night with headache :) [20:03] good evening [20:03] nlsthzn, why you not in bed yet? [20:03] Kilos: hmm... you have new friends? [20:03] ohi superfly [20:03] hi inetpro [20:03] where inetpro ? [20:04] bushtech and rudi-c [20:04] oh yay ya another ballie so i dont feel alone [20:04] always nice to see new faces here [20:04] Kilos: did you invite them to the meeting yet? [20:05] i think i did mention the meeting yes [20:05] ahh... [20:05] bushtech, you here? [20:05] * inetpro just scanned through the backlogs very quickly [20:06] but a bally thats doing c++ whew [20:06] that is rare for sure [20:06] Kilos: yep [20:07] bushtech: welcome to #ubuntu-za [20:07] hope you will be back often [20:07] meet inetpro and superfly bushtech they are like our main guides here [20:07] hmm... [20:07] please excuse my irc sex. having a running battle with Vodacom with my 3G connection [20:08] ai! [20:08] Thanks inetpro [20:08] when i was still only a mechanic they taught me everything i know about pcs today [20:08] bushtech, what isp? [20:09] Kilos: he said VC [20:09] oh sorrygo 8ta [20:09] bushtech: what area are you from? [20:09] bushtech, what area [20:09] haha [20:09] you to fast inetpro [20:09] :-) [20:10] I stay in the bush. 8ta has never heard of this area lol [20:10] eish! [20:10] on a farm? [20:11] Vaalkopdam. 37 km from Sun City as the crow flies [20:11] interesting [20:11] Nature conservancy [20:11] great [20:11] then just keep revving them [20:11] better to email their coe or catch him on twitter [20:12] ceo [20:12] Kilos: very interesting to see another one of them [20:12] how do you rev a sleeping monster [20:12] only way i got service outa them [20:12] lol with a big stick [20:12] magespawn will be happy [20:12] twet the ceo and watch how quick you get action [20:12] tweet [20:13] * superfly is playing minetest [20:13] horribly, horribly addictive [20:13] they know everyone sees twiter messages so they make plans quick to keep the image of good service going [20:14] From Vodacom: Your network query is currently under perfomance trailing. You will be contacted once it has been resolved. [20:14] will give it a try if this fails [20:15] tweet I'm talkin'about [20:15] bushtech: if Vodacom is your only option I suggest you install a directional antenna for a steady signal [20:15] here is their email addy bushtech [20:15] mailto:Tswai@vodacom.co.za [20:15] if you don't have that yet [20:15] yeah, what inetpro said [20:16] and obviously get a router with a port for an external antenna [20:16] superfly, what kinda game is that [20:16] and how big download [20:16] I've had a yagi up here for a long time. gettiing tired of standing on a ladder realigning yagi as I jump from tower to tower [20:17] eish [20:17] Kilos: have you heard of MineCraft? [20:17] never superfly [20:18] Kilos: it's basically a game where you can build stuff [20:18] it's got some basic rules, but no real end objective [20:18] bushtech, go to the closest tower and get the number off the gate and mail voda and say that tower is sick [20:18] minetest is the open source clone [20:18] Kilos: Thanks for that email addy [20:18] yw [20:19] i fought with them lots [20:19] foning the helpdesk you just get a runaround [20:19] they have preprogrammed answers [20:19] got open signal ans cell map on my phone. Know the tower CID's and where they are [20:20] good put that info in the email [20:20] Oh Yes [20:20] then they see you not some kid they can spin a yarn to [20:21] how far is the nearest tower from you? [20:21] They said could take 14 days to sort. 10 to go then the fun starts [20:21] bushtech: give them a hard time until they sort it out [20:22] 15,6km [20:22] unfortunately you will have to call several times if you want it sorted [20:22] whew [20:22] terrible service we have in this dear land of ours [20:22] what kinda of signal do you get on a cell phone [20:23] with the yagi I get HSPA+ when their #$%$## tower is working [20:23] the money comes way too easy from the big cities [20:23] oh thats great then rev them daily [20:24] rural areas are always neglected [20:24] I'll keep at them. Not going back to sat signal at 3k/month [20:24] wow [20:25] life in the bush is interesting heh [20:25] HSPA+ is very usable if it works [20:26] best I can hope for here [20:27] * inetpro calling it a night [20:27] night inetpro sleep tight [20:27] good night everyone [20:28] sleep tight [20:28] but before I go, bushtech remember our meeting on Tuesday [20:29] see Agenda in the topic [20:29] must have missed something, news to me [20:29] its our monthly meeting here at 20.30 [20:29] we have monthly meetings just to keep us going, every 4th Tuesday of the month [20:29] Ah Ok [20:30] just informal stuffs... nothing serious [20:30] but better if you here everyday [20:30] hehe [20:30] some peeps tend to come in here just for the meetings [20:31] I monitor other irc channels so I'm 24/7 tower permitting [20:31] nice [20:31] * inetpro is off [20:31] cool, make this your number 1 channel [20:31] nag gussie [20:33] hmmm. need to know what those devs have broken on another channel [20:34] our devs fix things not break then [20:36] upwards of a million lines of code sitting on top of ubuntu. hard not to break something [20:38] lol [20:39] what release are you using? [20:39] cant member if you told us earlier [20:40] 1204 [20:40] i used that till about 3 weeks ago [20:40] 14.04 is a bit better i think [20:40] cheers all. [20:40] night captine [20:41] 12.04 gave me untold probs with 3g [20:42] in kde and unity [20:42] havent noticed that on 1204 once I got it working [20:42] does it auto connect? [20:43] oh you have 3g from a router? [20:43] yep [20:44] only the usb modems have the auto connect prob [20:45] Ah, I'm using a card [20:45] ah [20:48] eish superfly like building blocks? [21:11] ngith all. sleep tight [21:11] night as well [21:14] night Kilos