[06:45] <Kilos> hi bushtech_  welcome to ubuntu-za
[07:31] <Kilos> ho Golynx_  
[07:31] <Golynx_> hi Kilos
[07:41] <bushtech_> Thanks Kilos
[08:15] <Kilos> bushtech_  you here for ubuntu help or are you here to help the noobs?
[08:15] <Kilos> tell us a bit about yourself
[08:16] <Golynx> hi bushtech_
[08:20] <Kilos> hi rudi-c  welcome to ubuntu-za
[08:21] <rudi-c> hi Kilos, thanks for the welcome
[08:22] <Kilos> im the greeter bot here
[08:22] <rudi-c> ah hehehe
[08:22] <Kilos> tell us about yourself
[08:23] <Kilos> im trying to grow this channel but its a major job
[08:23] <rudi-c> I'm a person that likes chatting with welcome bots, and I wanted some answers regarding my unity on desktop 14.04
[08:24] <Kilos> ask and ye shall be helped
[08:24] <Kilos> oh my im on kde. wait a while ill boot to unity
[08:25] <Kilos> wbb
[08:25] <rudi-c> i cant find the answer on google, but i want to know if myunity is still available for 14.04. everything I find is for 13.04 or earlier
[08:28] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:28] <Kilos> rudi-c, if its serious tech help you need you might need to hang here all day
[08:28] <Kilos> the brains only get here at night'
[08:33] <Golynx> hi rudi-c and welcome!
[08:33] <Kilos> Golynx, you need to get a good desktop pc so you can run unity too then i can rest
[08:34] <Golynx> Kilos that will take a while. Maybe 2015 or so
[08:34] <Kilos> sjoe ill be dead by then man
[08:34] <Kilos> oh its next year so maybe not
[08:34] <Golynx> dont say such things man
[08:35] <Kilos> hehe
[08:35] <Golynx> you stilll a young lad :)
[08:35] <Kilos> oi
[08:36] <Golynx> keep the heart young and the body will follow till 100 years old
[08:36] <Kilos> whew
[08:39] <Golynx> many switching to 14.04 . Cause its an LTS ?
[08:39] <Kilos> yeah and its good
[08:40] <Kilos> one of the best releases
[08:40] <rudi-c> every new release is the best one yet :)
[08:40] <Kilos> no man
[08:40] <Kilos> i loved 10.10
[08:41] <rudi-c> yes and i loves 6.03, but it's not as nice as 14.04
[08:41] <Kilos> unity took lots of getting used to
[08:41] <Kilos> lol
[08:41] <Golynx> thats good, lighter and faster should be the defacto for ubuntu in the future
[08:41] <rudi-c> linux took a lot of getting used to
[08:41] <Kilos> ok what unity questions you have rudi-c ?
[08:42] <Kilos> yeah the switch from windows is a brain tease
[08:43] <rudi-c> i have the answer i needed, thanks. the answer was unity-tweak-tool
[08:43] <Kilos> ah yes i used that too
[08:43] <rudi-c> yeah windows in nice, i used it to download ubuntu
[08:43] <Kilos> lol
[08:43] <Golynx> lol
[08:43] <Kilos> rudi-c, you must stay here with us
[08:44] <Kilos> we here every day
[08:44] <rudi-c> is Kilos and Golynx both bots?
[08:44] <Kilos> no only bot here is maaz
[08:44] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[08:44]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:44] <Golynx> Maaz coffee please
[08:44] <Maaz> Golynx: Okay
[08:45] <Golynx> lol rudi-c i am human
[08:45] <Golynx> just programming make me feel like a bot sometimes
[08:48] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and Golynx!
[08:48] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[08:48] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[08:48] <Golynx> Maaz thanks
[08:48] <Maaz> Golynx: Okay :-)
[08:49] <rudi-c> hehehe
[08:51] <Golynx> strange that switching off ipv6 speeds up internet speed 
[08:53] <rudi-c> it's hard to say who you chatting to :)
[08:53] <Golynx> rudi-c what do you mean
[08:54] <Golynx> are you not used to irc
[09:00] <rudi-c> last time i used irc a lot was probably 2004 maybe
[09:01] <Golynx> oh , that explains the confusion then :)
[09:02] <rudi-c> yeah probably
[09:02] <Golynx> if you stick around some more and you will get used to it again
[09:03] <rudi-c> i needed some info on ubuntu desktop and for interest sake searched SA and this came up
[09:03] <rudi-c> yes i'm using ubuntu a lot now, so i'll probably use irc a bit more
[09:05] <Golynx> haha, i also found this channel on google December 2013. The same as you i was searching for help from ubuntu experts in SA
[09:07] <Golynx> thats good, you can always keep your irc client open now that you using ubuntu alot
[09:07] <Golynx> wb Kilos
[09:07] <rudi-c> yes i could, but this pc isn't on permanently
[09:08] <rudi-c> Golynx, which ubuntu do you use
[09:09] <Golynx> ah ok , no problem you can come when you are able :)
[09:09] <Golynx> i use ubuntu 12.04
[09:09] <Kilos> ty Golynx 
[09:09] <rudi-c> is there a reason you dont update?
[09:09] <Golynx> but gonna switch to 14.04
[09:09] <Golynx> Kilos np
[09:10] <Golynx> rudi-c ya i am waiting for a dvd, i dont have internet speed to download 14.04 :)
[09:11] <rudi-c> yeah i had 11.04 on my previous pc and eventually my memory packed up and i couldn't upgrade, so now i have a new pc for ubuntu and after my install of 13.10 i checked for updates and 14.04 was available so i didi it
[09:11] <rudi-c> where are you from?
[09:11] <Golynx> i actually use xubuntu, its much faster than unity. But i dont have enough recources to run unity so xubuntu will do for me
[09:12] <rudi-c> dont you still get those freedom toasters
[09:12] <rudi-c> where you could copy it for free?
[09:13] <Golynx> i'm far from major cities though deep in the western cape. Those freedom toasters are mostly at universities and stuff
[09:14] <rudi-c> http://www.freedomtoaster.org/products/
[09:14] <rudi-c> check there
[09:18] <Golynx> rudi-c thanks for the link, but i dont need to upgrade that much. Mostly use ubuntu for web development. In a few months time i will have a better internet connection, so that issue will hopefully be sorted then :)
[09:20] <Golynx> is that where you got you're ubuntu
[09:21] <rudi-c> no i downloaded it
[09:22] <rudi-c> i have adsl with about 40gb per month, so i just download whatever i want now
[09:22] <rudi-c> not that i do a lot of downloading
[09:22] <rudi-c> what web dev work do you do?
[09:23] <rudi-c> do you use bluefish, or what do you use?
[09:24] <Golynx> wow, thats alot of data 
[09:25] <Golynx> i design websites and smartphone applications. Plus web software for the server side with php and python
[09:25] <Golynx> i use the netbeans IDE for all my dev work
[09:27] <Golynx> bluefish is good , but the first time i used it i couldn't drag drop a file onto it. That was a downer for me that made me leave it. Gedit is better as a lightweight text editor
[09:27] <rudi-c> ah ok, that stuff is way over my head. i do some simple web design for a few clients that dont want or cant afford the big database driven sites
[09:28] <rudi-c> i prefer something like dreamweaver, but in ubuntu the only thing i found so far was bluefish. i'd like something a bit closer to DW, but that drag and drop sounds like a nice thing to have
[09:30] <Golynx> nice, html5 is good for that. You can store client info on the browser instead of a mysql webserver that will cost more
[09:30] <Kilos> eish
[09:31] <Golynx> yeah, bluefish lacks some things needed for it to be compared to DW. 
[09:31] <Golynx> wb Kilos :)
[09:32] <rudi-c> yes it lacks a bit
[09:32] <rudi-c> but hey, if you have nothing it's beats doing it in notepad in win
[09:33] <Golynx> i mis notepad++ from windows , that is the best all in one text/code editor
[09:33] <Kilos> what you doing? libreoffice can do lots
[09:34] <Golynx> still nothing beats a full IDE though , like netbeans
[09:34] <rudi-c> i'm going to check it out
[09:35] <Golynx> Kilos libre Office uses 1999 standard html for its webpage generating :p
[09:35] <Kilos> oh you doing web pages
[09:36] <Golynx> most of it are deprecated tags thats not used anymore and not encouraged to be used anymore
[09:36] <Golynx> ya he wants something similar to dreamweaver in windows
[09:37] <Kilos> oi
[09:37] <rudi-c> netbeans looks like a nice option
[09:38] <rudi-c> i'm gonna download it right now
[09:38] <Golynx> rudi-c i use the php version of netbeans with all html5 and web development goodies included https://netbeans.org/features/php/
[09:41] <rudi-c> i only do html and css, nothing else really, it's a lack of knowledge :)
[09:41] <rudi-c> but i'm going to download it anyway, it looks nice
[09:43] <Golynx_> net bugs :-/
[09:45] <charl_> good morning
[09:45] <charl_> Maaz: coffee opn
[09:45] <Maaz> charl_: *blink*
[09:45] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[09:45]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[09:45] <charl_> Kilos: my vlc works fine for most of the time, it only seems to crash when the disk gets busy
[09:46] <Golynx_> rudi-c i gave wrong link before , here is for html5 https://netbeans.org/features/html5/
[09:46] <Kilos> hi charl_ 
[09:46] <charl_> so at least i managed to narrow down the problem - its io related
[09:46] <Golynx_> hi charl_
[09:46] <Kilos> ram shortage?
[09:46] <charl_> no for example let's say i'm playing something and doing updates at the same time
[09:47] <charl_> hi Golynx 
[09:47] <Kilos> too much for the cpu?
[09:49] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[10:02] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[10:02] <Maaz> charl_: Sure
[10:03] <charl_> Kilos: i think it's a disk io issue
[10:03] <charl_> Kilos: when it can't buffer from the disk it freaks out
[10:03] <Kilos> oi
[10:10] <Kilos> grrrrr
[12:19] <bushtech> Thank Golynx. Hi
[12:25] <nlsthzn> I am the terror that flaps in the night
[12:26] <bushtech> Kilos: Bit of both. I'm just an old toppie whose always been fascinated by computers and software. Got into linux couple years ago when I built an Ubuntu raid server for backing up our computers. Then the slippery slope really started. Wanted some home entertainment/management programme and got into linuxmce. The rest, as they say, is history
[12:27] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[12:27] <nlsthzn> hello uncle Kilos , all
[12:28] <Kilos> great news bushtech im a toppie too
[12:29] <bushtech> Hope you started learning C++ earlier than me
[12:29] <Kilos> nope i dont do any programming
[12:29] <Kilos> thats for the guys here to do
[12:31] <Kilos> i only started on pcs in about 2006 i think
[12:32] <bushtech> Wise move at our age. don't know if I'm going manage to scale that mountain
[12:32] <Kilos> lol
[12:32] <Kilos> if you want to learn programming why not go with python
[12:33] <Kilos> get the book byteofpython to start with
[12:33] <Kilos> Maaz, google byteofpython
[12:33] <Maaz> Kilos: "A Byte of Python - Swaroop CH" http://www.swaroopch.com/notes/python/ :: "A Byte of Python - Ibiblio" http://www.ibiblio.org/swaroopch/byteofpython/read/ :: "A Byte of Python (PDF) - Ibiblio" http://www.ibiblio.org/g2swap/byteofpython/files/120/byteofpython_120.pdf :: "A Byte of Python" http://www.byteofpython.info/ :: "Free PDF: A Byte of Python by Swaroop
[12:33] <Maaz> C H" http://freepdfs.org/pdf/a-byte-of-python :: "A Byte of Python e-book - LinuxTone.Org" htt…
[12:34] <bushtech> for all I know about python it could have been called pofadder
[12:34] <Kilos> hahaha
[12:34] <Kilos> i tried but memory stuffed
[12:35] <bushtech> refuse to admit that to myself
[12:36] <Kilos> lol how toppie are you?
[12:36] <bushtech> 58
[12:36] <Kilos> im 63 in june
[12:37] <Kilos> we have another ballie that uses ubuntu as well thats in his 70's
[12:37] <Kilos> if you ever need help there are top programmers here
[12:38] <bushtech> I think thats blerrie impressive
[12:38] <Kilos> yeah
[12:38] <bushtech> Eish, they better keep a low profile!
[12:39] <Kilos> you guys can also join out mailing list, one can learn lots from see others be helped
[12:39] <Kilos> no man someone gotta guide the kids
[12:40] <Kilos> here is the link to the mailing list
[12:40] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/MCOujZ
[12:41] <Kilos> who you wanna frighten nlsthzn 
[12:41] <nlsthzn> ?
 I am the terror that flaps in the night
[12:42] <bushtech> unless theres somebody here who knows all about connecting a thin client thats got a lightning struck lan port which I now want to connect via USB with alan/USB connector
[12:42] <nlsthzn> I mostly frighten myself
[12:43] <Kilos> peeps here know everything about pcs
[12:43] <Kilos> only not me
[12:43] <Kilos> i can only help with basics
[12:44] <Kilos> also bushtech there are many guys on the list that are linux experts too so join and drop a mail there
[13:02] <Kilos> hmm... frightened him away
[13:59] <Kilos> wb rudi-c bushtech Golynx 
[14:01] <Golynx> ty Kilos
[14:01] <Golynx> wb rudi-c
[15:02] <Kilos> what a quiet day
[15:08]  * Golynx puts earplugs in ears to muffle the crickets noise
[15:08] <Kilos> lol
[15:08] <Golynx> :D
[15:09] <Kilos> catch them and go fishing
[15:09] <Golynx> dams are dry and muddy here
[15:09] <Kilos> ai!
[15:09] <Golynx> lots of cats though
[15:10] <Kilos> you cant eat cats man
[15:10] <Golynx> hahaha cats are hungry for crickets
[15:10] <Kilos> hehe
[15:11] <Kilos> hey try that sig-gen maybe you can find a frequency that chases them
[15:13] <Kilos> id forgotten about that thing
[15:15] <Golynx> i was kidding lol, no crickets here in autumn
[15:15] <Kilos> hehe
[15:15] <Golynx> maube when summer comes the sig-gen can come in handy
[15:15] <Golynx> maybe*
[17:38] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:38]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[17:38] <Kilos> Maaz, hurry
[17:38] <Maaz> Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed
[17:42] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:42] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[17:42] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[17:51] <Kilos> Golynx, you here?
[17:53] <Golynx> yeah, in and out :)
[17:54] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/59632/basic-web-development-ide-editor-like-dreamweaver
[17:55] <Golynx> that one is for rudi-c , he wanted a dreamweaver equivalent in ubuntu
[17:56] <Kilos> ok try remember if he comes back
[17:56] <Golynx> i suggested netbeans html5 version , he seemed to like it 
[17:56] <Golynx> the same one i ask you to download for me
[17:56] <Kilos> oh ok
[17:57] <Golynx> ok will try remember when he comes
[17:57] <Kilos> but if you look at that does is look easy to use
[17:57] <Kilos> i know nothing of that stuff
[17:58] <Kilos> i thought maybe a dreamweaver user would find a similar thing easy to use
[17:59] <Golynx> i never used dreamweaver before though, cause i couldnt afford the software :)
[17:59] <Kilos> ok
[18:00] <Golynx> its good for newbies or people that find it hard to write code , design in html css javascript and such
[18:00] <Kilos> ah
[18:01] <Golynx> its mostly text editors with html some web dev support in the link you gave. No real alternative for dreamweaver in linux though
[18:02] <Kilos> ok
[18:02] <Kilos> i remember someone was here 6 months ago or more also looking for an equivalent
[18:02] <Golynx> so rudi-c will have to go for a full IDE that provides everything he needs to develop for his small business clients. Netbeans is easier to learn of the IDE's 
[18:03] <Golynx> hi captine
[18:03] <Kilos> hi captine 
[18:03] <captine> evining Golynx , Kilos 
[18:03] <captine> how you all doing
[18:04] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[18:05] <Golynx> ya i tried long to find software similar to stuff i used on windows. But mostly i just mix programs with a feature for something i need on each one , instead of an all in one like in windows
[18:05] <Kilos> ok
[18:10] <captine> good
[18:35] <Golynx> night guys , early night with headache :)
[20:03] <inetpro> good evening
[20:03] <Kilos> nlsthzn, why you not in bed yet?
[20:03] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... you have new friends?
[20:03] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[20:03] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[20:03] <Kilos> where inetpro ?
[20:04] <inetpro> bushtech and rudi-c
[20:04] <Kilos> oh yay ya another ballie so i dont feel alone
[20:04] <inetpro> always nice to see new faces here
[20:04] <inetpro> Kilos: did you invite them to the meeting yet?
[20:05] <Kilos> i think i did mention the meeting yes
[20:05] <inetpro> ahh...
[20:05] <Kilos> bushtech, you here?
[20:05]  * inetpro just scanned through the backlogs very quickly
[20:06] <Kilos> but a bally thats doing c++ whew
[20:06] <inetpro> that is rare for sure
[20:06] <bushtech> Kilos: yep
[20:07] <inetpro> bushtech: welcome to #ubuntu-za 
[20:07] <inetpro> hope you will be back often
[20:07] <Kilos> meet inetpro and superfly bushtech they are like our main guides here
[20:07] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:07] <bushtech> please excuse my irc sex. having a running battle with Vodacom with my 3G connection
[20:08] <inetpro> ai!
[20:08] <bushtech> Thanks inetpro
[20:08] <Kilos> when i was still only a mechanic they taught me everything i know about pcs today
[20:08] <Kilos> bushtech, what isp?
[20:09] <inetpro> Kilos: he said VC
[20:09] <Kilos> oh sorrygo 8ta
[20:09] <inetpro> bushtech: what area are you from?
[20:09] <Kilos> bushtech, what area
[20:09] <Kilos> haha
[20:09] <Kilos> you to fast inetpro 
[20:09] <inetpro> :-)
[20:10] <bushtech> I stay in the bush. 8ta has never heard of this area lol
[20:10] <inetpro> eish!
[20:10] <Kilos> on a farm?
[20:11] <bushtech> Vaalkopdam. 37 km from Sun City as the crow flies
[20:11] <inetpro> interesting
[20:11] <bushtech> Nature conservancy
[20:11] <Kilos> great
[20:11] <Kilos> then just keep revving them
[20:11] <Kilos> better to email their coe or catch him on twitter
[20:12] <Kilos> ceo
[20:12] <inetpro> Kilos: very interesting to see another one of them
[20:12] <bushtech> how do you rev a sleeping monster 
[20:12] <Kilos> only way i got service outa them
[20:12] <Kilos> lol with a big stick
[20:12] <inetpro> magespawn will be happy
[20:12] <Kilos> twet the ceo and watch how quick you get action
[20:12] <Kilos> tweet
[20:13]  * superfly is playing minetest
[20:13] <superfly> horribly, horribly addictive
[20:13] <Kilos> they know everyone sees twiter messages so they make plans quick to keep the image of good service going
[20:14] <bushtech> From Vodacom: Your network query is currently under perfomance trailing. You will be contacted once it has been resolved.
[20:14] <bushtech> will give it a try if this fails
[20:15] <bushtech> tweet I'm talkin'about
[20:15] <inetpro> bushtech: if Vodacom is your only option I suggest you install a directional antenna for a steady signal
[20:15] <Kilos> here is their email addy bushtech 
[20:15] <Kilos> mailto:Tswai@vodacom.co.za
[20:15] <inetpro> if you don't have that yet
[20:15] <superfly> yeah, what inetpro said
[20:16] <inetpro> and obviously get a router with a port for an external antenna
[20:16] <Kilos> superfly, what kinda game is that
[20:16] <Kilos> and how big download
[20:16] <bushtech> I've had a yagi up here for a long time. gettiing tired of standing on a ladder realigning yagi as I jump from tower to tower
[20:17] <Kilos> eish
[20:17] <superfly> Kilos: have you heard of MineCraft?
[20:17] <Kilos> never superfly 
[20:18] <superfly> Kilos: it's basically a game where you can build stuff
[20:18] <superfly> it's got some basic rules, but no real end objective
[20:18] <Kilos> bushtech, go to the closest tower and get the number off the gate and mail voda and say that tower is sick
[20:18] <superfly> minetest is the open source clone
[20:18] <bushtech> Kilos: Thanks for that email addy
[20:18] <Kilos> yw
[20:19] <Kilos> i fought with them lots
[20:19] <Kilos> foning the helpdesk you just get a runaround
[20:19] <Kilos> they have preprogrammed answers
[20:19] <bushtech> got open signal ans cell map on my phone. Know the tower CID's and where they are
[20:20] <Kilos> good put that info in the email
[20:20] <bushtech> Oh Yes
[20:20] <Kilos> then they see you not some kid they can spin a yarn to
[20:21] <Kilos> how far is the nearest tower from you?
[20:21] <bushtech> They said could take 14 days to sort. 10 to go then the fun starts
[20:21] <inetpro> bushtech: give them a hard time until they sort it out
[20:22] <bushtech> 15,6km
[20:22] <inetpro> unfortunately you will have to call several times if you want it sorted 
[20:22] <Kilos> whew 
[20:22] <inetpro> terrible service we have in this dear land of ours
[20:22] <Kilos> what kinda of signal do you get on a cell phone
[20:23] <bushtech> with the yagi I get HSPA+ when their #$%$## tower is working
[20:23] <inetpro> the money comes way too easy from the big cities 
[20:23] <Kilos> oh thats great then rev them daily
[20:24] <inetpro> rural areas are always neglected
[20:24] <bushtech> I'll keep at them. Not going back to sat signal at 3k/month
[20:24] <Kilos> wow
[20:25] <bushtech> life in the bush is interesting heh
[20:25] <inetpro> HSPA+ is very usable if it works
[20:26] <bushtech> best I can hope for here
[20:27]  * inetpro calling it a night
[20:27] <Kilos> night inetpro sleep tight
[20:27] <inetpro> good night everyone
[20:28] <bushtech> sleep tight
[20:28] <inetpro> but before I go, bushtech remember our meeting on Tuesday
[20:29] <inetpro> see Agenda in the topic
[20:29] <bushtech> must have missed something, news to me
[20:29] <Kilos> its our monthly meeting here at 20.30
[20:29] <inetpro> we have monthly meetings just to keep us going, every 4th Tuesday of the month
[20:29] <bushtech> Ah Ok
[20:30] <inetpro> just informal stuffs... nothing serious
[20:30] <Kilos> but better if you here everyday
[20:30] <Kilos> hehe
[20:30] <inetpro> some peeps tend to come in here just for the meetings
[20:31] <bushtech> I monitor other irc channels so I'm 24/7 tower permitting
[20:31] <inetpro> nice
[20:31]  * inetpro is off
[20:31] <Kilos> cool, make this your number 1 channel
[20:31] <Kilos> nag gussie
[20:33] <bushtech> hmmm. need to know what those devs have broken on another channel
[20:34] <Kilos> our devs fix things not break then
[20:36] <bushtech> upwards of a million lines of code sitting on top of ubuntu. hard not to break something
[20:38] <Kilos> lol
[20:39] <Kilos> what release are you using?
[20:39] <Kilos> cant member if you told us earlier
[20:40] <bushtech> 1204
[20:40] <Kilos> i used that till about 3 weeks ago
[20:40] <Kilos> 14.04 is a bit better i think
[20:40] <captine> cheers all.
[20:40] <Kilos> night captine 
[20:41] <Kilos> 12.04 gave me untold probs with 3g
[20:42] <Kilos> in kde and unity
[20:42] <bushtech> havent noticed that on 1204 once I got it working
[20:42] <Kilos> does it auto connect?
[20:43] <Kilos> oh you have 3g from a router?
[20:43] <bushtech> yep
[20:44] <Kilos> only the usb modems have the auto connect prob
[20:45] <bushtech> Ah, I'm using a card
[20:45] <Kilos> ah
[20:48] <Kilos> eish superfly like building blocks?
[21:11] <Kilos> ngith all. sleep tight
[21:11] <Kilos> night as well
[21:14] <bushtech> night Kilos