[02:44] <studio> hey guys, have a problem.  Have just installed 14.04.  Was trying to set up flash through synaptic but install froze up.  now when I try to open synaptic I get an error.  says to run "dpkg --configure -a".  I am running that in terminal but it doesn't seem to be going anywhere either.  Any ideas?
[02:44] <studio> hm
[02:44] <studio> cut off the first part
[02:44] <holstein> !flash
[02:44] <holstein> i use chrome, which has the only recent version of flash provided by adobe
[02:45] <holstein> you can use the chome pepperflash in chromium
[02:45] <Unit193> !info pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[02:45] <studio> I installed flash another way.  But my prob is that I cannot access synaptic
[02:45] <holstein> studio: ok. install flash the suggested way
[02:46] <studio> i downloaded flash and followed the readme
[02:46] <holstein> studio: if you have package issues, you can open a terminal and run..
[02:46] <holstein> sudo apt-get update and share errors
[02:46] <holstein> studio: you should insatll flash as i, and the ubuntu community and adobe suggests
[02:46] <studio> which is how?
[02:47] <cfhowlett> studio READ the !flash link sent to you earlier
[02:48] <holstein> studio: please open a terminal and run "sudo apt-get update" and use a pastebin to share the output
[02:48] <holstein> !paste | studio
[02:49] <studio> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7342106/
[02:50] <cfhowlett> !aptlock|studio
[02:50] <holstein> studio: is another process using it?
[02:51] <studio> I  don't have any other process using it that I am aware of
[02:51] <holstein> studio: there is one, however
[02:51] <studio> how do i find it?
[02:52] <holstein> studio: could be the crashes synaptic..
[02:52] <holstein> studio: you can always just reboot, if you cant figure out how to manage processes
[02:53] <studio> i ran the fuser command and it is asking to kill a process
[02:53] <studio> do i kill it?
[02:53] <holstein> studio: you'll need to, to get lock
[02:53] <holstein> studio: i have no idea what pacakge you tried to install
[02:53] <holstein> or, how it has broken your system
[02:53] <studio> downloading http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_11.2.202.350.orig.tar.gz
[02:54] <holstein> studio: ok.. are you saying you are downloading that?
[02:54] <holstein> studio: please stop, if you are
[02:54] <studio> was
[02:54] <holstein> studio: and run "sudo apt-get update" til you get no error output
[02:54] <holstein> studio: share errors in pastebin
[02:55] <studio> running update now
[02:57] <holstein> studio: run it, and share the errors, so we can fix what you have broken, and get the system stable
[02:57] <studio> says "dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run "sudo dpkg -- configure -a" to correct the problem
[02:57] <holstein> studio: ok.. have you done that?
[02:57] <holstein> studio: you can copy paste it in..
[02:58] <studio> a couple times but that's when the downloading flash from above shows up
[02:59] <studio> Setting up update-notifier-common (0.154.1) ...
[02:59] <studio> flashplugin-installer: downloading http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_11.2.202.350.orig.tar.g
[02:59] <holstein> studio: tell me *exactly* how you are installing flash?
[03:01] <studio> not for certain, now.
[03:01] <holstein> studio: ?
[03:01] <holstein> studio: you need to figure it out
[03:02] <studio> had tried so many ways
[03:02] <holstein> studio: you have broken your system with one of those ways
[03:02] <studio> let me see
[03:02] <holstein> studio: its quite easy following the link above
[03:02] <holstein> studio: its in the default repos.. or, you just install chrome
[03:02] <holstein> studio: but, i need to know, if that download is hanging, what you have done
[03:02] <studio> I have it now installed
[03:02] <holstein> if you have added a source, or a PPA
[03:02] <studio> didn't add a source or ppa
[03:03] <holstein> https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[03:03] <holstein> studio: if you dont know where you got it, you'll have to verify that you trust it or not. and support it
[03:03] <studio> Downloaded it from adobe
[03:03] <holstein> studio: did you?
[03:04] <holstein> studio: you just said you didnt know?
[03:04] <studio> and placed the files where the readme file said to
[03:04] <holstein> studio: i would undo that, and do the one that i gave
[03:04] <holstein> why? because the package manager will update it automatically for security reasons
[03:04] <holstein> https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ gives what output?
[03:05] <studio> You have version 11,2,202,350 installed
[03:05] <holstein> ok. so, if you want the latest, you use chrome or pepperflash in chromium
[03:06] <holstein> if you want the system to manage the security updates for version 11, you remove what you did and follow..
[03:06] <holstein> !flash
[03:06] <studio> the problem is is that I am locked out of synaptic
[03:06] <holstein> studio: im not following, friend
[03:07] <holstein> studio: you click on an icon to launch the synaptic package manager, and you get "locked out" of something?
[03:07] <studio> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[03:07] <studio> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[03:08] <studio> that's what I get when I try to open synaptic
[03:08] <holstein> studio: correct.. you have broken your system.. we determined that
[03:08] <studio> so how do I fix?
[03:08] <holstein> studio: you need to address those issues.. have you tried correcting the problem as instructed?
[03:08] <studio> I am not following
[03:08] <studio> how?
[03:08] <holstein> studio: as instructed from the message you gave
[03:09] <holstein> dpkg --configure -a
[03:09] <holstein> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:09] <holstein> if you could tell me *anything* about what you were doing, i could help more..
[03:09] <studio> It locks with the following: Setting up update-notifier-common (0.154.1) ...
[03:09] <studio> flashplugin-installer: downloading http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_11.2.202.350.orig.tar.gz
[03:10] <holstein> studio: you need to fix all of that
[03:10] <holstein> you can try removeing whatever is getting stuck
[03:10] <holstein> sudo apt-get autoremove flashplugin-installer
[03:10] <holstein> studio: you'll need to fix all of those errors before *any* package manager will work properly
[03:11] <holstein> studio: synaptic is not locking you out.. its saying you have broken your system
[03:11] <studio> still getting this: : Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:11] <studio> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[03:12] <holstein> studio: correct. thats becuase you tried to open synaptic
[03:12] <holstein> studio: you can stop doing that
[03:12] <studio> that was in terminal
[03:12] <holstein> studio: you fix the errors *first*.. then synaptic will work
[03:12] <studio> ok.  how?
[03:12] <holstein> !lock
[03:12] <cfhowlett> !aptlock
[03:13] <holstein> ^
[03:13] <holstein> thats how you fix the issue you create when you try and start synaptic with a broken package system
[03:13] <studio> !lock?  what is that?
[03:13] <holstein> studio: ? that was a mistake, frien
[03:13] <cfhowlett> !aptlock|studio READ THIS HERE!
[03:13] <holstein> studio: i messed up there.. and cfhowlett helped me with the correct link
[03:14] <studio> ok.  tried that
[03:14] <holstein> studio: fix the apt-lock, and stop trying to run synaptic.. synaptic is fine
[03:14] <studio> nothing
[03:14] <studio> i ran the fuser
[03:15] <holstein> studio: in the terminal. "sudo apt-get update" and report errors till we fix them
[03:15] <holstein> studio: you can try "sudo apt-get autoremove flashplugin-installer
[03:15] <studio> ok.  running sudo apt-get update
[03:16] <holstein> studio: *dont* run synaptic til you fix this.. you create a lock, and synaptic gets stuck.. synaptic is not broken. you system is
[03:16] <studio> update finished with the following error
[03:16] <holstein> !paste
[03:16] <studio> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:16] <studio> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[03:17] <holstein> sudo fuser -vki  /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:17] <holstein> ^
[03:17] <holstein> in the terminal
[03:17] <studio> running that
[03:17] <holstein> studio: at some point, you'll need to consider reinstallation here
[03:17] <studio> said to kill process.  Killed process
[03:18] <studio> running  --configure -a
[03:18] <studio> this is output: Setting up update-notifier-common (0.154.1) ...
[03:18] <studio> flashplugin-installer: downloading http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_11.2.202.350.orig.tar.gz
[03:18] <studio> still runiing
[03:19] <holstein> studio: correct.. does that not complete?
[03:19] <holstein> studio: why are you stopping there?
[03:19] <studio> done this several times but doesn't seem to finish.  How long should it take?
[03:19] <holstein> studio: depends
[03:20] <studio> well, waiting
[03:20] <holstein> studio: you interrupted something somewhere
[03:21] <holstein> studio: if you could tell me what, it would help
[03:21] <studio> i don't know,  Sorry
[03:21] <studio> too many kids in the house
[03:21] <holstein> i would try stopping that.. then, doing.. sudo fuser -vki  /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:21] <holstein> i mean..
[03:21] <holstein> i would try stopping that.. then, doing.. sudo fuser -vki  /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[03:22] <studio> i did that already
[03:22] <holstein> then.. sudo apt-get autoremove flash-plugin-installer
[03:22] <studio> did that
[03:22] <holstein> studio: no, you havent
[03:22] <studio> yes i did
[03:22] <holstein> studio: you have used the longer one
[03:22] <holstein> studio: the command i just gave is differen
[03:23] <holstein> sudo fuser -vki  /var/lib/dpkg/lock should clear the lock
[03:23] <studio> yes
[03:23] <holstein> then, you can try auto-remove cleanly and share errors
[03:23] <studio> asks if I want to kill process
[03:23] <holstein> studio: the goal of that command is to kill processes
[03:23] <holstein> studio: it will *always* ask that
[03:23] <studio> just "auto-remove"
[03:24] <holstein> studio: ?
[03:24] <studio> you said try auto remove
[03:24] <holstein> studio: i try auto-remove whatever is a problem
[03:24] <holstein> studio: i specifically said "sudo apt-get autoremove flash-plugin-installer"
[03:25] <holstein> studio: you should try and burn through these quickly
[03:25] <studio> okay, on that last one
[03:25] <holstein> the issue can be challenging. and you really just have to try things
[03:25] <studio> studio@studio-Inspiron-1545:~$ sudo apt-get autoremove flash-plugin-installer
[03:25] <studio> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[03:26] <holstein> you can ask in a larger channel, since its not studio related at all
[03:26] <studio> running in circles
[03:26] <holstein> or, just reinstall, and come here before breaking your sytem
[03:26] <holstein> system*
[03:26] <holstein> studio: yes. you will need to run in circles to track that down
[03:26] <holstein> studio: its a pain..
[03:26] <holstein> studio: it would be ideal if you could say waht you have done to break it
[03:26] <holstein> that would help in undoing the breakage
[03:27] <holstein> if its my system? i just reinstall and be more cautious about what i paste in next time
[03:27] <holstein> otherewise.. just keep running commands and trying apt fixes
[03:29] <holstein> studio: you can try something like "sudo apt-get clean"
[03:29] <studio> ok.  lets see
[03:30] <holstein> then, the dpkg one
[03:30] <holstein> studio: clearing the lock as needed
[03:32] <studio> well, nothing helps
[03:33] <holstein> studio: ?
[03:33] <holstein> studio: nothing you have tried so far, you mean
[03:33] <studio> yes
[03:33] <holstein> studio: i mean, you *can* fix it. but it would help to know how you broke it
[03:33] <studio> I said all I remembered
[03:33] <holstein> studio: you can, as i said, go to a larger community for help
[03:33] <holstein> #ubuntu or #xubuntu
[03:33] <studio> okay.  Thanks anyway
[03:33] <studio> going to reinstall
[03:34] <holstein> this is not studio related, specificially, and there may be more folks there that can offer
[03:34] <holstein> but, reinstallation is so fast...
[03:34] <holstein> relatively
[03:34] <studio> yes
[03:34] <studio> be back later
[03:34] <holstein> studio: please, feel free and come *before* installing flash
[03:34] <holstein> studio: or, before installing anything, if you like
[03:34] <studio> good idea
[03:34] <studio> haha
[03:34] <studio> will do
[03:34] <holstein> studio: we can help you make sure you dont break the packages
[03:35] <holstein> studio: its easy to do with a google search and some copy pasting
[03:35] <studio> ok.  going to reinstall now.
[03:35] <holstein> studio: i feel for you.. and wish you well...and wish we could have been more helpful.
[04:28] <studio> Well, back again
[04:29] <studio> fresh install. should I install the restricted extras package?
[04:30] <holstein> !flash
[04:30] <holstein> !restriced
[04:30] <holstein> !restricted
[04:30] <holstein> studio: i use chrome for flash, since i want the latest flash
[04:30] <holstein> !pepperflash
[04:30] <holstein> !info pepperflash-plugin-nonfree
[04:31] <holstein> !info pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[04:31] <holstein> or, you can use that ^
[04:31] <studio> I need to install the restricted for xubuntu?
[04:31] <holstein> studio: restricted extras has a lot of stuff in it
[04:31] <holstein> studio: you never "need" to
[04:31] <holstein> studio: if you want what the extras provide, you install them
[04:31] <studio> well, if I want to then the xubuntu?
[04:31] <holstein> studio: there is more than flash in there
[04:31] <studio> yes
[04:35] <studio> all this because my wife watches hulu in firefox
[04:35] <holstein> you can use chrome
[04:35] <holstein> it is the only recent version of flash provided to us
[04:35] <studio> chrome doesn't have a video downloader
[04:35] <holstein> https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[04:35] <holstein> studio: you can use firefox to download the videos. whatever that means
[04:36] <holstein> i download content all the time in chrome, or whatever browser
[04:36] <holstein> im not saying chrome is "good" or "better".. im staing a fact
[04:36] <holstein> it is the only up to date flash we have
[04:36] <studio> probably will.  the restricted package should let me watch video yes?
[04:36] <holstein> and, you can use it in chromium if you prever
[04:37] <holstein> studio: the restricted package does what it does
[04:37] <holstein> installs what it installs.. the packages do what they do
[04:37] <holstein> nothing about those pacakges, or linux, or ubuntu, or ubuntustudio prevents *any* video from plahing
[04:37] <holstein> playing*
[04:37] <studio> haha.  very existentialistic that
[04:38] <holstein> any content provider or creator is more than welcome to look at the completely open code in everything we have, and make content that works for you
[04:38] <holstein> but, the dont
[04:38] <holstein> and you watch the content you want to watch by doing what they suggest
[04:38] <studio> true
[04:38] <holstein> many times that requires a more recent version of flahs
[04:38] <holstein> flash*
[04:38] <holstein> that is available through pepperflash in linux only
[04:39] <studio> hadn't heard of pepperflash
[04:39] <holstein> https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[04:39] <holstein> thats not a linux or ubuntu site
[04:39] <holstein> you can read about it from the creators and maintainers of the actual product there
[04:39] <holstein> a lot of places (youtube) lets you opt into html5 content
[04:40] <studio> still haven't seen much of that
[04:40] <holstein> that?
[04:40] <studio> html5
[04:40] <holstein> its coming more and more
[04:40] <studio> what i've seen looks cool
[04:40] <cfhowlett> flash is dying.  slowly and painfully, perhaps, but dying.
[04:41] <holstein> eventually, it wont be an issue.. til then, we dont get flash anymore
[04:41] <studio> c'est la vie
[04:42] <studio> well, love linux, love studio
[04:42] <holstein> cheers!
[04:46] <studio> hm.  could be a repeat of the problem.
[04:47] <studio> nope. nevermind
[04:47] <holstein> just dont interrupt any package managers
[04:47] <holstein> try and stay connected, and remember what you ran
[04:47] <studio> restricted extras installed successfully
[04:50] <studio> so far so good
[04:50] <studio> are there still some issues
[04:55] <studio> how do i know if ffmpeg is installed?
[04:57] <cfhowlett> studio terminal ffmpeg -i
[04:58] <studio> says command not found
[04:58] <studio> that mean its not installed
[04:58] <cfhowlett> studio then not installed
[04:59] <studio> so, sudo apt-get install ffmpeg?
[04:59] <cfhowlett> studio note:  ffmpeg has been deprecated.  use avconv instead
[04:59] <studio> really?
[04:59] <studio> ok
[04:59] <cfhowlett> !info ffmpeg
[04:59] <cfhowlett> !info avconv
[05:00] <studio> ?
[05:00] <cfhowlett> holstein eh?  no avconv in trusty?
[05:00]  * cfhowlett is still on precise until 14.04.1
[05:00] <studio> so winff won't work?
[05:02] <cfhowlett> studio winff is a gui front-end to ffmpeg
[05:02] <cfhowlett> studio try this: run a terminal:      apt-cache search ffmpeg
[05:03] <cfhowlett> studio if it shows, sudo apt-get install
[05:03] <studio> ok.
[05:04] <studio> hm.  seems winff is frontend for avconv also.  cool
[05:05] <cfhowlett> studio makes sense!
[05:05] <studio> converting something now.  let's see how it works, avconv that is
[05:07] <studio> Well, worked great.
[05:08] <cfhowlett> studio one problem solved!
[05:08] <studio> actually several.  groovy
[09:41] <delt> Hello
[09:41] <delt> is the "envelope/mail" indicator supposed to probe a mailbox and tell you if there's new mail or something?
[09:41] <delt> not doing it here for local mailbox, and no (apparent) options to configure it
[16:56] <coelebs> hello
[16:56] <coelebs> after i've used jack how i set pulseaudio back on
[16:57] <coelebs> so i can watch youtube etc
[17:13] <zequence> coelebs: You can use both at the same time
[17:13] <zequence> coelebs: On Ubuntu Studio?
[17:13] <coelebs> huh?
[17:14] <coelebs> i got a solution already to kill manually jack processes
[17:14] <zequence> coelebs: Yes, but you can connect pulseaudio to jack, so you can use both simultaniously
[17:14] <coelebs> that would be cool i admit
[17:15] <zequence> coelebs: On Ubuntu Studio?
[17:15] <coelebs> yeah on ubuntu studio ^_^
[17:16] <zequence> coelebs: So, unless you installed another kind of jack, you should have jackd2 installed. Always make sure to start jackdbus, and not jackd. qjackctl is set to do that by default
[17:16] <zequence> After starting jack, simply select jack as the output in pulseaudio controls
[17:17] <zequence> There's a module that automatically creates a jack client with sink and source for pulseaudio, called pulseadio-module-jack, but it will only automatically do so if you start jackdbus
[17:18] <zequence> jackd2 grabs the audio device from pulseaudio, but with the module, you can make pulseaudio just another software client for jack
[17:20] <coelebs> thx i will play with this around :)
[17:20] <zequence> The setting in qjackctl to select between jackd and jackdbus is in Setup -> Misc, something about dbus support
[17:20] <zequence> make sure it's selected
[17:21] <coelebs> i'm mostly interested on routing audio from browser to renoise
[17:21] <zequence> you can route all of pulseaudio to any jack client, so that should be no problem, as long as renoise supports jack
[17:24] <coelebs> not yet there but tweaking this spot seems to crash firefox
[17:26] <coelebs> anyways thank you for this
[17:26] <coelebs> i'll look at it later more now it
[17:27] <coelebs> 's time to watch some game of thrones
[19:58] <zzecool> Hello there is anyone here?
[19:58] <zzecool> not afk