=== chriadam|away is now known as chriadam === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [04:56] <_vaibhav_> Hello, I missed the Ubuntu App Developer Week of march 2014. Can I get archives or ppt from somewhere? === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [06:45] good morning === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away === davidcalle_ is now known as davidcalle [08:53] when I started my app today, I god this [08:53] QProcessPrivate::execChild() failed to chdir to /home/akiva/Programming/Example/build-Example-Desktop-Default/.ubuntu-sdk-deploy [08:53] never had that before [08:54] hmmm [08:56] nevermind [08:56] twas something else === gcollura is now known as gcollura|univers === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [12:17] I have a newly installed machine, which was 13.10 and then upgraded to 14.04. I installed Ubuntu SDK after the upgrade to 14.04. When I plug in my Ubuntu phone (nexus 4), it is not recognised by the SDK IDE as a device; the SDK IDE recognises that something was plugged in, but doesn't seem to think that it's Ubuntu. Do I need to do something to enable this? [12:17] aquarius: probably need to re-enable the ppa [12:17] what? [12:17] I'm on 14.04 [12:17] ppas are disabled when you upgrade [12:17] I still need the ppa? :( [12:18] yes, always use the ppa AIUI [12:18] oh. [12:18] that'd explain it, then. [12:18] it's much faster to deliver updates than via the SRU process [12:18] so anyone developing for Ubuntu phone on 14.04 will need to enable a PPA first? [12:18] i believe so, that's right bzoltan ? [12:19] http://developer.ubuntu.com/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/ says "Add PPAs (pre Trusty only)" [12:19] ah! but maybe I need ubuntu-device-flash, or phablet-tools? [12:20] that doc page seems confused [12:20] Install phablet-tools: [12:20] $ sudo apt-get install ubuntu-device-flash [12:20] so now I don't know which to install :) [12:20] those are the phablet tools [12:20] "The Phablet Tools" [12:20] are in package ubuntu-device-flash [12:20] the next step is [12:20] List its tools with: [12:20] $ dpkg -L phablet-tools | grep bin [12:20] ubuntu-device-flash is in its pwn package [12:20] *own [12:20] oh dear [12:21] yes, that doc is wrong [12:21] ubuntu-device-flash does not seem to depend on phablet-tools [12:21] and all packages are in trusty ... you shouldnt need the PPA at this point of time [12:21] do I need both packages? [12:22] (i assume the PPA will get updated packages for truesty once there are new changes ... and that will be faster than waiting for SRUs, so using the PPA *then* will make sense ... atm you shouldnt need it though) [12:23] I *think* that the doc error is just that "Install phablet-tools: $ sudo apt-get install ubuntu-device-flash" should be "Install phablet-tools: $ sudo apt-get install phablet-tools" (because you installed ubuntu-device-flash in the previous step) [12:23] ogra_: the ppa has stuff build 5 days ago [12:23] I'll file a bug. [12:23] ah, then the PPA might make sense already [12:26] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntudeveloperportal/+bug/1313692 filed [12:26] Launchpad bug 1313692 in Ubuntu App Developer site ""Installing Ubuntu for Devices" page is confused about package names" [Undecided,New] [12:26] shouldn't ubuntu-device-flash recommend phablet-tools? [12:27] why ? [12:27] you dont need developer tools to flash as enduser [12:27] oh, u-d-f is completely self-contained? [12:27] fair enough then [12:27] its a go tool :) [12:28] afaik it can even run on MAC [12:28] bah [12:29] dholbach, do you have an idea why the click reviewers tool finds this error: "Could not find 'com.ubuntu.terminal.desktop.in'" when running over http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/click/com.ubuntu.terminal_0.5.latest_armhf.click ? [12:29] I've no idea where it gets the idea to look for a .in file [12:29] hasn't helped. I have installed both phablet-tools and ubuntu-device-flash, and the Ubuntu SDK IDE still doesn't identify my Ubuntu phone when I plug it in :( [12:29] bzoltan, ping ^^ [12:30] dholbach, nm, I found out [12:30] it reads it from the manifest, which listed the wrong file [12:35] artmello: hi, when you have some time can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~amanzi-team/gallery-app/gallery-app-flip-hint/+merge/216079 ? [12:35] The "Log" tab says: "Detecting device..* there is no device connected." What prints that? So I can try and work out why it isn't working? [12:35] nerochiaro: sure [12:35] aquarius, do you have any "Ubuntu device" devices listed under Tools > Options > Devices? [12:35] dpm, nope, I do not [12:36] aquarius, ah, I had some problems with my device last week, and deleting them from there helped me. In that case, you might want to ask zbenjamin ^ [12:37] its not picked up? thats weird, what happens after you press refresh when you plugged in your device? [12:38] zbenjamin, I don't have a refresh button, I don't think [12:38] zbenjamin, where should I be looking for one? [12:38] aquarius: do you have the device mode available in QtCreator? [12:39] aquarius: on the left side where you have , welcome, edit, design and so on, there should be also one saying Device [12:39] zbenjamin, there is a devices entry on the left-hand sidebar. Clicking it shows an "Ubuntu Device" pane, with three bottom tabs: Device Actions, Emulators, and Log. Device Actions is afaict completely empty; Emulators invites me to install the emulator, and Log says "Detecting device..* there is no device connected." [12:40] aquarius: ok plug in your device and run "abd devices -l" in a terminal+ [12:41] 01df8dd49ccb99f7 device usb:3-1 product:occam model:Nexus_4 device:mako [12:41] ok so adb can see it, but why can't QtC [12:41] don't know; that's why I asked :) [12:42] aquarius: there is no "Refresh" button on the Devices tab? there should be oO [12:43] http://imgur.com/iZkrGLN is what it looks like. [12:43] aquarius: dunno if it's relevant, but I had a similar problem a long time ago after having one of Nokia's QtCreator MeeGo bundles installed, and removing the old config files from (I think) ~/.config/QtProject and ~/.config/Nokia solved it [12:43] I know you did a bit of N9 development, so maybe you have something similar hanging over? [12:44] Elleo, not on this machine. This is new [12:44] ah, okay [12:44] aquarius: wth? never saw this error before [12:44] I hadn't even installed the ubuntu sdk until I upgraded to 14.04 this weekend :) [12:44] zbenjamin, you see my confusion :) [12:44] aquarius: yeah, mine wasn't completely blank like yours either [12:44] it just kept searching for the device, failing, searching again, etc. [12:44] zbenjamin, I'm happy to provide info to try and work out why this is; then you chaps can perhaps try and fix the underlying bug which causes it [12:44] aquarius: start qtc from the cli maybe it outputs something of interest for us [12:45] plus this was all back in October so a lot has probably changed since then [12:45] OK. Does the Ubuntu SDK link in the dash/launcher just do "qtcreator"? or does it do somethnig special? [12:45] just qtcreator [12:45] zbenjamin, aquarius, I actually get that blank screen whenever I plug in anything (non-phone) into any USB slots with Qt Creator running === _salem is now known as salem_ [12:46] aha! [12:46] now device actions is showing me stuff [12:46] don't know why :) [12:46] aquarius: you can see something now on the page? [12:47] yep [12:47] aquarius: sometimes the device detection is a bit flaky and gets stuck somewhere, probably a hickup [12:47] now it's complaining that my device doesn't have a network connection, which it does, but I'm OK to continue on my own now :) [12:47] aquarius: rule of thumb: plug in and out ;) [12:47] don't know why it was a blank page before [12:48] ok, I lied [12:48] plugging the phone in is now correctly detected, hooray [12:48] awesome :) [12:48] however, Ubuntu SDK says "No network connection on your device", which is a big lie because there is a network connection :) [12:49] there is also a large "Enable Developer Mode" button on the right hand side of the Ubuntu Device pane, but it's insensitive. [12:49] aquarius: this device page is really buggy, we have a new version in landing which hopefully will be available soon. [12:50] ok. So, in the meantime... can I just not deploy apps to my device for testing? :( [12:50] ah [12:50] redetect devices woke it up [12:50] excellent! [12:50] now we're cooking. I can see the device fine. [12:50] brilliant [12:51] not brilliant that it was confusing, but at least it's resolved now, and you've already fixed a bunch of this by the sound of it :) [12:51] thank you zbenjamin [12:51] aquarius: the network connection is required for installing packages on the device, its not required if developer mode is already on [12:52] aquarius: well the new page is less confusing i hope :), it still can get stuck but it should never be completely empty [12:52] aquarius: and its written using Ubuntu UI toolkit :) [12:54] nice :) === jhodapp|afk is now known as jhodapp === ken__ is now known as kenvandine [13:43] bzoltan, zbenjamin: is http://askubuntu.com/questions/260185/is-there-way-to-compile-qt5-programs-written-with-c-to-ubuntu-touch something we should answer differently today? [13:44] dholbach: yeah we should, the default way would be to use cmake [13:45] dholbach: and with cmake we have full QtC support [14:03] balloons, joining the core apps call? [14:10] dpm, https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/reminders-app/improveFirstRunWorkaround/+merge/217450 [14:10] mardy: ciao, could you ping me when you have 10 minutes for a query? I have a couple of questions about online accounts [14:17] rpadovani: ciao! There you go :-) [15:03] hey, is there anyone who can help me use qtcreator to make a web app? [15:08] bzoltan, ^ ? [15:11] rickspencer3: http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/html-5/ [15:12] justCarakas, I'm just trying to wrap up an existing web site [15:12] that documentation looks more like for making a full blown app [15:12] am I missing something? [15:12] ow that is something else indeed [15:13] more like http://developer.ubuntu.com/web/ , I guess [15:13] its very simple [15:13] in the sdk [15:13] new project [15:13] and than web app [15:14] just fill everything in there [15:14] if I remember correctly [15:15] justCarakas, how do I package it, test it, etc...? [15:17] ping mardy. [15:17] do you have some time for me today? [15:18] by running it in the sdk I think [15:18] Is there some way to tell QML "hey, someitem.someproperty ought to have a new value now but it hasn't; recalculate it, please"? [15:18] rickspencer3: have you tried the sdk yet ? [15:19] justCarakas, yes, but it looks quite desktop centric [15:19] and I still don't see in QtCreator how to just simply run it to test it out [15:19] the green button on thebottom left [15:20] rickspencer3: http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/webapp/packaging-web-apps/ [15:20] else you can try this [15:20] * rickspencer3 looks [15:21] aah, there seems to be no QtCreator integration yet :) [15:21] for building at least [15:22] rickspencer3: to build it, just run click build . inside the directory [15:22] rickspencer3: than the link I send should contain the answer [15:22] daker, right [15:22] daker, then how do I run it, etc...? [15:22] rickspencer3: on desktop ? [15:22] adb push it to /home/phablet [15:23] then: pkcon install-local /path/to/click [15:23] daker, right, typically I would run an app on my desktop to make sure it is working well [15:23] (as phablet user) [15:23] ogra_, right, seems like installing it is a bit over kill [15:23] also, I may want to write a little code to integrate with the sound menu [15:23] seems like being able to do a run/debug loop would be nice :) [15:25] rickspencer3: first you need to make sure the Exec line works on desktop [15:26] ex : webbrowser-app --webapp --enable-back-forward --webappUrlPatterns=https?://m.youtube.com/* http://m.youtube.com [15:26] so just run the exec line? [15:26] easy [15:26] wouldnt that be webapp-container nowadays ? [15:26] webbrowser-app --webapp is the old way [15:26] for the 13.10 API [15:27] ogra_: yes that what i was going ask too :) [15:27] for oxide you want webbrowser-app [15:27] err [15:27] that's what the QTC give on 14.04 [15:27] webapp-container [15:28] ogra_, what should I use instead? [15:28] I just used the QtCreator template [15:28] webbrowser-app --webapp --enable-back-forward --webappUrlPatterns=https?://www.phishtracks.com/* http://www.phishtracks.com [15:29] changed to: [15:29] webapp-container --webapp --enable-back-forward --webappUrlPatterns=https?://www.phishtracks.com/* http://www.phishtracks.com [15:29] seems to work also [15:29] webapp-container --enable-back-forward --webappUrlPatterns= ... http://foo.com [15:30] ogra_, do I need "--webapp"? [15:30] rickspencer3: just remove the --webapp and s/webbrowser-app/webapp-container [15:30] shoudn't [15:31] we should file a bug against QTC for this [15:31] ++ [15:38] ogra_, so the behavoir in the webapp container is different than in chromium [15:38] is there something I should know wrt css or similar? [15:38] no idea, best to ask chrisccoulson === jhodapp is now known as jhodapp|lunch [15:39] i havent really tested any of the mobile sites my webapps use with chromium [15:39] (they work well enough with oxide though) [15:40] interesting [15:40] chrisccoulson, any reason this would not work on my desktop? [15:40] webapp-container --enable-back-forward --webappUrlPatterns=https?://www.phishtracks.com/* http://www.phishtracks.com [15:40] * rickspencer3 updates [15:41] * ogra_ would remove the www from the pattern [15:41] oh, 457 megs of updates [15:41] maybe I am a little behind ;) [15:42] rickspencer3, that works pretty much fine for me -- what's not working for you? [15:43] aquarius, you can play a song? [15:43] did you enable audio in apparmor ? [15:43] oh, it's supposed to play music, is it? :) [15:43] I bet it will work after this update [15:43] aquarius, yeah :) [15:44] ogra_, do I need to do that on the desktop? [15:44] I'm suspecting I have an out of date oxide because I haven't upgraded in a while [15:44] i never tried a webapp on the desktop :) [15:44] indeed. In the webapp container, it's not showing the play bar at the bottom, or playing any songs [15:44] hi rickspencer3 :) [15:44] hi chrisccoulson [15:44] also, I hate phish :) [15:44] what's the issue (i've not read the whole scrollback yet)? [15:45] chrisccoulson, my web app doesnt work, at least not on my desktop [15:45] webapp-container --enable-back-forward --webappUrlPatterns=https?://phishtracks.com/* http://phishtracks.com [15:45] chrisccoulson, it should play music [15:45] but breaks in different ways [15:46] chrisccoulson, I haven't tried running it on my phone or anything yet, though [15:46] also, I can't get --inspector to work, either [15:46] which makes it hard to diagnose the problem [15:48] rickspencer3, it seems to play music here (in a plain webview though). do you have oxideqt-codecs-extra installed? [15:48] chrisccoulson, I dunno [15:48] aquarius, i think alex-abreu is working on that :) [15:48] let me finish this upgrade and then check [15:48] I have this feeling that the root problem is that I forgot that I am a bit out of date on this 'puter :) [15:48] rickspencer3, it's not installed by default, so I suspect not. and I bet you need that for it to work :) [15:48] chrisccoulson, aquarius yes [15:49] chrisccoulson, ah [15:49] ok, I'll install that when this is done [15:49] yep that fixes it, nice webapp [15:49] pmcgowan, I guess to make it really nice I need to integrate it with the sound menu\ [15:50] alex-abreu, ah, cool. I was wondering whether I had to specify --inspector=yes or somethnig :) [15:50] which doesn't look too too hard [15:50] * pmcgowan finds watcher of the skies, wow [15:51] aquarius, should land soon, I have a branch lying for some time need to MR it & retest it [15:51] bah, I thought you'd be able to do webapp-container --inject-this-script=myintegrationscript.js but you can't -- you'll have to write the webapp integration script (for the sound menu integration, using the unity webapps api) and then install it :( [15:51] aquarius, btw stuck on level 8 [15:51] pmcgowan, heh. Which one's level 8? [15:51] * rickspencer3 drums fingers [15:51] somethign about those included in classification [15:52] was sure I had the answer 3 times [15:52] pmcgowan, the app describes itself as requiring psychology, intelligence, lateral thinking, research, and guesswork. This one is basically all research. :) [15:53] aquarius, will do, although I thought I did ;) [15:53] it's picky about capitalisation and things like that [15:53] (I'm going to make Riddling 2 less picky about that; I thought it'd make it more fun, but it just makes it annoying) [15:54] aquarius, you need to add things like "close but not quite" or "gettign warmer" [15:57] pmcgowan, yeah. That's difficult to do, though... [15:57] rickspencer3: pong [15:59] hi dbarth [15:59] so, I think I might be sorted [16:00] just waiting for this update to run, then I need to sudo apt-get install oxideqt-codecs-extra [16:00] dbarth, fyi [16:00] rickspencer3: sorry, was otp and missed the rest [16:00] QtCreator is creating an incorrect exec line [16:00] and also, it seems like it should be hooked up to the QtCreator run button [16:01] and also, the packaging tab should work [16:01] rickspencer3: if you on trusty, you need an update of qtc-plugin-ubuntu [16:01] dbarth, aaah [16:01] to be able to run the app on dvice [16:01] I bet it all works after this update [16:01] i caught this one last week and released an update :/ [16:01] yes [16:01] sorry dbarth, I bet all my problems go away when I am up to date :) [16:01] https://code.launchpad.net/~dbarth/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/fix-1311692 [16:01] I didn't realize how out of date I was :) [16:02] a whole week! [16:02] :) [16:02] dbarth, has that fix been srued? or are we basically requiring app devs on 14.04 to enable the PPA? [16:02] oh [16:02] not SRU'ed, as last week was not possible [16:02] no way am I running the PPA [16:02] lol [16:02] but uploaded to the sdk ppa where devs are supposed to be taking updates for the SDK [16:02] rickspencer3, that's why I asked the question. I don't want to run the PPA either :) [16:02] ah [16:02] then i need to lobby again for an sru, but that was not possible last week [16:03] dbarth, sure, understood [16:03] let me ping back the sdk/ci folks about it [16:03] rickspencer3: but apart from that, did you find what you needed? [16:03] dbarth, I think so [16:03] rickspencer3, I can confirm that with oxide-qtcodecs-extra installed, your webapp works fine [16:03] rickspencer3: ok cool [16:03] I'll let you know if this update doesn't fix everything [16:04] rickspencer3: you might want to try the latest runtime API which was made available to html5 app devs [16:04] dbarth, ok, my next step will be sound menu integration [16:04] rickspencer3: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/html5/sdk-14.04/RuntimeApi.RuntimeApi/ [16:04] I may ask for pointers [16:05] omg, this upgrade is taking *forever*4 [16:05] rickspencer3: hmm, not on touch though, we're not plugged into the media hub yet [16:05] dbarth, oh? I can't add sound menu integration yet? [16:05] rickspencer3, http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-13.10/javascript/web-docs/#mediamenu [16:05] that makes it easy :) [16:05] you should be able to integrate into the sound menu [16:06] your problem will be that when your phone blanks the screen, the music will stop playing [16:06] aquarius, I think dbarth just said this doesn't work on Touch yet [16:06] aquarius, oh, it doesn't use the media service yet? [16:06] ouch [16:06] but that's not anything that you can fix; that's for dbarth and chrisccoulson to fix in Oxide so that it talks to the media hub :) [16:06] that's seriously ouch [16:06] I might be wron [16:06] cause we couldn't pass the stream yet [16:06] wrong [16:06] don't listen to me, listen to a bald French guy instead :P [16:07] or 2 ;) [16:07] dbarth, I assume that fixing this is on your roadmap? [16:07] yes, now we have the underlying support [16:07] cool [16:08] dbarth, if I put my app in the store now, will it just magically start wokring when that support is added? [16:08] * rickspencer3 likes magic [16:09] just discussing it on hangout with alex-abreu [16:09] trying to make it magic [16:09] currently on the desktop it's explicit, so would require some hints [16:10] but now we think that as soon as you have a stream that goes via media hub [16:10] *that* part could be implicit, and hence be there magically for you [16:10] ie., for the stream, play/pause, that could be transparent [16:11] dbarth, oh wow [16:11] next/prev action suppotr should still require explicit instructions in your app [16:11] ah, that makes sense [16:11] I'll skip the menu integration for now then :) === jhodapp|lunch is now known as jhodapp [16:12] rickspencer3: is that a new app? i was following the scope dev you were doing lately [16:12] dbarth, sorry, I missed something, not certain what you are asking about [16:13] rickspencer3: if the sample app you're doing is something you share on g+ the way you did with the scopes [16:13] dbarth, well, I might do a little write up of this web-app [16:13] rickspencer3: this way we can use that as a "user story" to guide our devs on the html5 stack [16:13] but when said and done, there's not much to it [16:13] map your use cases first [16:26] chrisccoulson, thoughts? [16:26] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7353439/ [16:28] rickspencer3: you need to install oxide-qt something package === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [16:29] rickspencer3: liboxideqt-qmlplugin [16:29] * rickspencer3 tries [16:32] daker, I don't think it's that particular package, as it says it's already at the latest [16:32] * rickspencer3 tries liboxideqt-qmlplugin [16:32] oops [16:32] I mean oxideqmlscene [16:32] no love [16:33] * davmor2 pictures rickspencer3 delving into a tophat, screaming abracadabra at his phone [16:33] hi davmor2 [16:33] I suspect that I need to dist-upgrade to get new versions [16:34] * rickspencer3 runs dist-upgrade [16:34] rickspencer3: i think you need to run it [16:34] AFAIK oxide is at 1.0 not 0.1 if i am not wrong [16:34] ok [16:34] it's running now :) [16:35] I should have just done a dist-upgrade to start with [16:38] \o/ all works now :) [16:38] Can I disable the HUD in my app? [16:39] I'm experimenting with the bottom edge [16:39] rickspencer3: congrats! [16:39] and when I pull up I keep getting the HUD :) [16:39] being up to date ftw ;) [16:49] aquarius: I think the app cannot do that.. unity8 needs to disable it [16:49] aquarius: cool that you are experimenting with the bottom edge. Are you using the Panel component? [16:49] t1mp, oh. :( [16:50] t1mp, not using the panel: should I be? I didn't even know that existed :) [16:50] aquarius: it is one option.. it detects bottom edge swipes and tracks how far you moved your finger up [16:50] oh really? [16:50] aquarius: pretty basic, but it could save a bit of work [16:50] I'm doing that by hand ;) [16:50] aquarius: that's how I did it ;) [16:51] https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/Ubuntu.Components.Panel ? [16:51] aquarius: I discovered a bug last week that got in there recently.. I fixed it in UITK staging but it still needs to land in the images [16:51] aquarius: yes, that one [16:51] heh. DIdn't know about that. [16:51] https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fixPanel/+merge/217014 this needs to land first [16:51] aquarius: currently, when you move your mouse in the panel-area, it automatically fully opens (just like the toolbar for desktop), that shouldn't happen.. [16:52] although it's not all that useful to me, because the contents and size change depending on how far you've swiped up, in the thing I'm doing [16:52] and a Panel has a fixed size which is predeclared, looking at this API documentation [16:52] aquarius: I have a tiny bottom-edge test program here: https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/+junk/vscale [16:52] I may have a look at that [16:52] aquarius: ah yes I remember.. on purpose I didn't tell people of the Panel because of that bug.. waiting for the fix to land [16:53] I'm not really doing this to actually use it, I'm doing it to try and suggest a different approach to how the web browser should work, inspired by opera coast :) [16:53] and I want to put together a working demo [16:53] aquarius: uhm.. right. I didn't think of multiple-stages of swiping up yet when I made the panel [16:53] and try out some bottom edge things at the same time [16:53] aquarius: I haven't tried opera coast, but when you have some cool new interaction I'd be happy to check it out :) [16:53] t1mp, yeah -- not a problem. I wasn't particularly expecting what I'm trying to do to be catered for by an out-of-the-box component :P [16:54] t1mp, once I have something I'll wave it at you :) [16:54] aquarius: thanks [16:55] aquarius: app developers can think of their own crazy stuff for the bottom edge, so it is near impossible to have out-of-the-box components for that [16:55] ya [16:55] definitely [16:55] something like your Panel is a good starting point, though, I think [16:55] aquarius: when it turns out that there are a few standard approaches that work, we can put something for that in our toolkit [16:55] dbarth, when I am making my webapp I need to create a manifest.json file before I use click build? [16:55] http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/webapp/packaging-web-apps/ [16:55] and if lots of people start doing things similar to what I'm doing here, then a MultiPanePanel component would be an obvious next step [17:06] beuno, wow, auto scanning ftw [17:23] rickspencer3: you sure about m.phishtracks.com ? [17:23] it doesn't load here [17:23] Host m.phishtracks.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) [17:27] rickspencer3: yes, like any normal app [17:27] rickspencer3: qtc should have done it for you already [17:28] you need the webview policy_group in particular [17:28] http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/apps/security-policy-for-click-packages/ [17:29] rickspencer3: are you doing a local html5 app, or just wrapping a website (ie a "webapp") ? [17:32] kyleN: ^^ is there still a page on d.u.c which makes the difference between the 2? [17:33] dbarth, are you referring to webapps v html5 apps? [17:34] dbarth: currently there is a top level section called "web" [17:34] I think the intention of this is to cover webapps [17:35] I think this 'web' content needs to be clarified. [17:35] for example just hours ago I filed this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntudeveloperportal/+bug/1313769 [17:35] Launchpad bug 1313769 in Ubuntu App Developer site "web landing page unclear on what a web app is" [Undecided,New] [17:35] that subject is separate from html5 apps on the dev portal [17:35] kyleN: totally [17:36] they are covered under apps/html-5: http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/ [17:36] Hey all :-) There is a simple way to close a popup dialog outsidethe dialog itself? [17:36]