[00:01] which one? [00:01] sandybridge asus laptop, the U36SD [00:49] yay [00:49] i can now use 4od over 3g [00:49] 3gunrestrictor ftw [00:51] 0o [00:57] apps sop u using them on 3g [00:57] wifi only like 4od [00:57] which is annoying if you got unlimited [00:58] Apple ;) [01:00] daftykins: did you hear about my hilarity with three? [01:00] I got them to disable tethering detection on my line lol [01:01] :O that's pretty impressive [01:01] how'd they go for that? :D [01:02] o_O [01:02] three let me tether for no extra [01:11] daftykins: I found an app which sends firefox as the HTTP User agent, and called them asking to fix it [01:11] they fixed it by disabling tethering detection [01:11] tl;dr, install pvstar+ and call three if it disconnects you :P [01:20] haha [01:20] app for what is this [01:22] mapps: it's just a youtube viewing apps, but lets you do it in the background (good for music) [01:25] AHH [01:26] yea [01:26] thatd be awesome if we had that on ios [01:26] i assume its for android? [01:27] hmm [01:31] mapps: yup, Android [01:31] iOS isn't the greatest of things :P [01:47] ios isn't the greatest?! [01:47] you .. you .. thingy [01:47] I can't think of a suitable slur [01:48] so thingy will now be my slur of choice [01:48] lol [02:09] woo judge judy [02:09] :D [02:36] nn guys, have a good week [03:22] nn [06:44] moening all [06:46] moaning MooDoo [06:46] morning === bashrc_ is now known as bashrc [06:48] sigh... cold again [06:48] hayfever for me [06:49] MooDoo: I was talking about physical temperature, not sickness... [06:50] ah lol [06:51] ah hayfever sucks [06:52] yeah but i'll get some stuff for it at dinner and I'll be fine. [06:52] think i have that..whenever i go to my dads i cant stop sneezing..find it harder to breathe too [06:54] it's a pain in the neck if nothing else. [07:17] hey peeps [07:18] howdy dwatkins [07:26] Starting the day with a deep discussion on facebook is always fun. [07:26] Morning all [07:26] depends what the conversation is about [07:27] morning diplo [07:27] MooDoo: it started because I shared an image of a bunch of skeletons saying that we're all the same on the inside, whatever our race, religion or sexuality. [07:27] dwatkins: say no more :) [07:27] It's not a bad discussion, just a long one. [07:28] anyway, happy Monday people :) [07:28] :D [07:28] * dwatkins fires up a virtual machine and get out the big guns (wireshark) [07:34] what you doing dwatkins [07:37] mapps: trying to get a definitive list of all the domains used by an application in order for a whitelist specification [07:52] Hmmh, phone died at the weekend & had to be replaced, cheap non contract phone actually seems quite reasonable for the price [07:53] DJones: i'm suck to death of my s3 crashing, I'm tempted to just bin it [07:53] Hah, new test hardware for the Ubuntu phone developed http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/28/chap_builds_mobe_based_on_raspberry_pi/ :) [07:56] MooDoo: I had a S3, then swapped with my wife once I got a N7 tablet & she needed a more reliable phone (than the Desire HD she was using), that finally died a death yesterday after getting stuck in the rom boot menu, picked up a £50 Alcatel OneTouch android phone which is pretty decent for what it is [07:59] DJones: I put cyanogen mod on it, but it's crashing every 2 mins :( [08:01] I was tempted to try that to see if it would rescue the phone, but decided I couldn't be bothered wasting the time to do it [08:03] * DJones installs 14.04 in virtualbox to try the upgrade to 14.10 [08:14] I'm also running cyanogen on a phone currently. Havn't had any crashes [08:14] cyanogen crashes all the time for me [08:14] almost every time i get a phone call [08:14] it never used to do this [08:15] i think my phone is too old now and it is triggering the watchdog [08:16] yes, it's probably that the memory is too limited and the oom-killer is doing its thing [08:17] a bit like a problem I was having on the Beaglebone [08:17] yeah that's also quite likely [08:17] When I come to upgrade, I might be tempted by the OnePlus One phone [08:17] why would you buy anything but nexus? seriously? [08:17] or maybe SGS [08:17] I got a second hand nexus 4 [08:19] ali1234: Yeah, will probably end up being a choice between Nexus 5/SGS5/HTC M8 === msm is now known as Guest17337 [08:32] ooh errr. Nests on Google Play. I don't know how well they work in British homes though. We got OWL installed at ours. [08:33] are we the mice? [08:35] or are we men? [08:36] Myrtti: it won't work in mine -- I can only turn heating up (or down) by twisting knobs on my radiators [08:36] MartijnVdS: I saw an ad for thermostats like that in telly few days back, Danfoss apparently has some fancy new kit [08:38] MooDoo: we are but men, ROCK ON! [08:39] jussi: are we human? Or are we dancer? [08:39] jussi: pic of destiny ;) [08:51] yay LPIC-1 has arrived. [08:51] book [08:53] retro [08:54] light reading for when I've done my MS exam next month lol [09:31] morning boys and girls. [09:32] goood morning! [09:32] morning brobostigon BigRedS [09:33] morning MooDoo and BigRedS [09:52] I'd really prefer if the furry baby would jump and go sleep in his basket [10:02] Morning all [10:02] Hi guys, up until about an hour ago the command : route add -net 141.163.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 dev ppp0 would work to route traffic to my Uni's VPN from my VPS (after I do pon plymuni) [10:02] However, now whenever I enter this command the whole VPS freezes [10:03] can any scripting wiz show me the best way to extract a givenname field from a list of gecos and sn? python does "subtract" on strings doesn't it? [10:10] jamieshepherd: perhaps something has changed on the VPN; how are you connecting to the server? [10:12] That's what I thought, but I can connect on my laptop fine [10:12] Just on my VPS, I usually write pon plymuni, followed by adding the route [10:13] how are you connecting to it, jamieshepherd? [10:13] And it's worked literally for the past 3 weeks, and now it's presentation day about 1hr 30 away rofl and it doesn't work [10:13] Sorry, how do you mean? Through a VPN [10:13] before you activate the uni VPN, yeah [10:13] ssh, vnc, console access to the virtual machine through a browser? [10:13] How am I connecting to the VPS? Just ssh [10:14] does the OS freeze, or just your ssh connection to it? [10:14] But when I add that route command nothing responds, ssh closes, websites cease to work [10:14] Digital Ocean lists it as "Active" still but, nothing can connect traffic wise [10:14] So perhaps there is a clash [10:14] I assume you're stopping your own traffic from reaching it, then. [10:15] Here is my ifconfig: https://gist.github.com/jamieshepherd/11367656 [10:15] Could you see something that might be clashing here? [10:17] jamieshepherd: what's your local IP? Are you on the 141.163.0.0/16 network? [10:17] I am not no [10:17] Oh [10:17] That's a massive lie [10:17] I actually am [10:17] I'm at the Uni now.. This would make a lot of sense [10:17] perhaps the order of the routes has changed so it uses the VPN as the default when you execute the command [10:18] aha [10:18] jamieshepherd: It's trying to send all traffic to you over the VPN instead of directly :) [10:18] Ah of course, well that was dumb of me [10:18] easily sorted, though :) [10:18] At least i know what's causing it now, just means I can't connect to the website from the Uni I guess [10:18] Is there a way I could get it working for this presentation? [10:19] jamieshepherd: try using 'ip link', 'ip route' and 'ip addr' -- they're the "new" tools :) [10:19] whereabouts is the website, jamieshepherd? [10:19] Amsterdam [10:19] I mean in network terms [10:20] I'm sorry, I don't understand [10:20] why can't you access it directly right now? [10:20] Away from the Uni, i.e. not on the network [10:20] So anywhere else I can connect to the website, just at the Uni I cannot [10:20] Because of the reason MartijnVdS said I suppose [10:20] then don't set the route? [10:21] so you need to set the VPN as the default route? [10:21] I'm guessing here. [10:21] Times out without the route [10:21] dwatkins: you don't want that! [10:22] jamieshepherd: I always see how to fix network/routing things best when drawing them on a piece of paper [10:22] jamieshepherd: machines (nodes) as squares, with a line for each network interface [10:22] good plan [10:23] include your local machine, both ends of the VPN, your server, etc. [10:23] the website too [10:23] [My Machine]--connected to Uni VPN--[Uni VPN]--connected to uni VPN--[Amsterdam VPS] [10:23] only problem is the presentation is about an hour away [10:24] so was just wondering if there might be a quick fix [10:24] can you access other ports on the server? [10:24] jamieshepherd: also consider what the VPN is running on (the interface(s) it's using) [10:24] jamieshepherd: also, a real drawing works best because you can add *all* the network interfaces [10:25] PPTP [10:25] (a VPN is a connection inside a connection) [10:26] Well, at least I know what the problem is [10:26] Just don't have time to fix it before the presentation [10:26] So I'll just tether my phone on 3G and connect my laptop to that ;D [10:26] Thanks for your help anyway guys much appreciated as always <3 [10:27] sounds like quite a restrictive university network [10:27] Yeah they're almost as clueless as me I think [10:27] dwatkins: A VPS sounds like a weird place to terminate a VPN to me:) [10:27] Pretty sure it's run by students [10:27] The VPS is one I own Martin [10:27] DigitalOcean droplet [10:27] Unrelated to the Uni ^ [10:27] It's just, the database for the application has to be hosted at the Uni [10:28] sure.. but usually you run a VPN connection to a secured network from your local workstation [10:28] not from a random VPS [10:28] So I had to do some retarded routing from my VPS website to the database [10:28] Yeah the VPS hosts a website, which uses features of teh database on the Uni network [10:28] you could just a add a route to *just the database server*, instead of the entire /16 === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [11:46] wonder if anyone can help me approach this problem? [11:46] probably with some bash script [11:47] foobarry: which problem was that again? [11:47] need to do a large ldap modify. list of givenname fields to go with surnames [11:47] i have a text file of givenname.txt and gecos.txt [11:48] i want to create an ldif file that says, line by line, [11:49] add a given name of the xth line gecos entry to be the xth line of the givenname file [11:50] i can do the ldap bit, but not the bashy bit [11:50] for a single file i do for x in 'cat file' do echo x done [11:51] foobarry: this sounds like an awk kind of job [11:52] it's handy that there are so many types of Chrome/Chromium I can install, I'm running three separate instances of it at the moment. [11:52] MartijnVdS: you may be right :D [12:04] foobarry: or Perl, because awk is awkward :) [12:04] foobarry: let me whip something up :) [12:05] wow cheers [12:09] foobarry: untested, needs modification, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7352024/ [12:10] great, thankyou === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [12:24] MooDoo: you about? [12:24] MartijnVdS: works perfect, cheers [12:26] foobarry: \o/ [12:44] looking at snippets of Perl like this is a good way to learn a language [12:45] I assume you used 'chomp' to remove the newline at the end of each line, MartijnVdS [12:45] yes [12:46] not really necessary if you extract the fields (using regexes or split or something) anyway. [12:46] still a good programming practise, I imagine [12:47] Yeah.. though I don't read a lot of text files these days ;) [12:47] mostly database work [12:48] I'm still learning how to do that from PHP. I assume it's not something you would do from JavaScript, though, as it's client-side. [12:49] dwatkins: I'm assuming there'd be a global object/API to do that [12:49] in "stand-alone" javascript [12:50] MartijnVdS: probably, but if I'm writing the entire site, I assume it's best to not give anything external access to the database, and have the PHP retreive data from the server itself. [12:50] jussi: wassup? [12:50] ah I see what you mean, executing a JS file directly, perhaps yeah. [12:51] dwatkins: yes, that does sound useful :) Except that it's still PHP :P [12:51] yeah, I imagine mostly JS is used for things like resizing a page, forms and so on, not database connectivity [12:52] dwatkins: have a look at nodejs and be scared ;) [12:53] MartijnVdS: I will be doing that eventually, gotta learn basic JS and jquery first. [12:53] dwatkins: but.. also.. you want a very thing "API" layer that does nothing but handle requests for data from a (JS) front-end [12:53] dwatkins: have a look at Angular :) [12:53] https://angularjs.org/ [12:53] thin, I assume you mean ;) [12:54] thin, yes [12:55] interesting, thanks - I assume that's mostly about formatting the data [12:57] dwatkins: also about retrievign it [12:59] I'm jumping the gun a bit and assuming that you wouldn't want your users to have access to any kind of database ever, but I guess if they're just reading from it via some kind of interface that presents as http or something, that's fine [13:01] dwatkins: That sounds good. Except if your database has programmable access controls (like an HTTP server has -- you write the controllers that present the data to the client side :)) [13:01] then the client side uses the HTTP output as its model [13:01] all very dynamic and JS and hip and modern [13:02] * dwatkins puts on his horn-rimmed glasses === marcushaslam_ is now known as marcushaslam [13:02] no really, I have some on my desk (they're a prop) [13:03] were they.. propped up by something? [13:04] badum tschhhhhhh [13:04] dwatkins: Can you see PROPerly with them? [13:04] http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0063CZWRU/ [13:35] Good morning peeps :) [13:35] morning [13:56] morning [13:56] turned out nice again === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [15:58] Yup, Ubuntu 14.04 is a lesson in frustration for me, copy paste doesn't even work properly any more :( [15:58] yay for the continual degradation of multi screen support \o/ [15:59] 14.04 seems ok to me [16:00] bashrc: yea, this bug won't affect you unless you have separate X screens [16:02] copy & paste was always a bit hit & miss for me, especially as there was never a consistent keyboard shortcut for it across all applications [16:03] yea, the way Linux handles it is a little bizarre, rather than pulling into memory it just expects the data to still be there in the original application when you paste [16:03] I've copied something out of chrome, closed the tab, then tried to paste it so many times by accident. [16:03] Azelphur: wait till gnome drop middle mouse copy/paste :D [16:03] hehe [16:03] that's the thing, though - there are both Gnome and app-specific mechanisms for copying and pasting [16:04] yea [16:04] I have a feeling it's the gnome ones that are broken, I can copy from other applications (firefox) but not from gnome ones (terminal, gedit, ...) [16:07] ah, so far I usually only have one screen, aothough currently I am using two [18:08] hmph, that's annoying - the latest version of the newsblur android app requires Android 3, and I don't think the old one is working any more [19:05] Dishwasher is broken. Having to wash crockery by hand. It's like the DARK AGES here! #firstworldproblems [19:07] how many extra glasses/plates/takeaways have you ordered to avoid that [19:08] popey: you could always just fix the dishwasher instead :D [19:18] this evenings meal was made with only one pan ☻ [19:18] i have googled, seems the "float" is broken [19:18] or clogged, the moter runs constantly to pump out water, even when it's empty [19:22] ah [19:22] i get that [19:22] u have a bosch exccel by any chance? [19:22] get to 0 mins and its still chugging [19:23] popey: i get it quite a bit, i haven't yet had to take the side off the dishwasher yet, although soemtimes it gets bad for a whole week [19:23] popey: possibly water logged float maybe [19:24] usually it's either some foil/sweetcorn under the drain bit. i ensure the drainage bit at the bottom is clean completely [19:24] then pour a little washing up liquid, boiling water and leave a little while [19:24] then press the buttons to reset the cycle [19:24] which manually drainsthe water [19:25] then pour v hot water in the bottom bit again and start a hot wash without many dishes in [19:25] usually it clears after a while [19:25] no, neff [19:26] its a built in machine though [19:26] there's a little tap icon in the display [19:26] I'll give that a try, thanks [19:26] evening [19:26] I did pour hot water in earlier, but I think it's knotted up with cheese [19:27] wifey cleaned the filter the other day [19:27] under maintenance? [19:27] I believe these are related [19:27] built-in units can be a real son of a gun [19:27] had this one in Portsmouth that nobody could work out how to remove [19:27] hm [19:27] i tell my wife its not a waste disposal unit [19:27] http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?%2Ftopic%2F234959926-airfix-124-hawker-typhoon-on-the-flight-line%2F [19:27] i think she sufficiently dislodged cheese into the bottom [19:28] wow, that is a stunning model plane [19:28] that is impressive [20:28] just got done watching white house down - I feel patriotic. [20:31] diddledan: for Brits? :) [20:31] or to... rather [20:32] foobarry, that's impressive [20:32] daftykins, unfortunately for america [20:33] I dang near cried when the lil girl waved the president's flag to ward off an air strike [20:34] XD [20:39] * diddledan looking through movies. got to the matrix. I'm trying to remember the name of the wachowski brother - for some reason Lana's name springs to mind easily but her brother I can't remember [20:40] and post sexchange, are they to be referred to as "the wachowskis" or "the wachowski siblings"? [20:44] wiki says it's the former - interesting bit about a netflix series they're making to debut later in the year [20:46] ah yesi'd forgotten about that [21:21] hai [21:24] o hai [21:27] sup daftykins ? [21:34] not much sir [21:34] just gaming [21:50] \o/ Jabber [21:51] Jabber \o/ [22:12] Jabber party \o/ [22:12] it has been a while :p [22:15] i never get why you lot used to say that [22:17] its a greeting [22:19] fail to see how people love this bbc show the callcentre [22:19] it's pretty dull, watching it on iplayer atm [22:20] i dislike people like that so find it hard to watch [22:21] kinda amusing when the managers say to young staff ..'youve got potential you just need to change your attitude' ./..seriously it's a call centre, [22:23] what kind of people popey? [22:27] self serving idiots that run basic companies and try to portray it off as something more than it is? [22:27] it's a call centre that makes nuisance calls thats all..nothing more imo [22:27] :/ [22:27] sounds terrible [22:29] well i mean, any of us could run a call centre like that..pay people minimum wage, make nuisance calls to get people to have insulation etc and make money off the grants [22:29] but its still..nothing more than that [23:10] popey: you mean the type of call centres that lower the level to which the turing test has to reach? [23:11] I mean, I don't like outgoing pushy people ☻ [23:11] yeh, me neither [23:15] yea me too..he's the kinda clown that'd embarass you infront of everyone and tihnk it's ok [23:15] *think === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away