[05:12] <OvenWerk1> knome: reading from way back up the back log about ISO size. I sense that there is the idea of making it easy to have everything on a CD where inernet is not available/fast but small for where it is.
[05:13] <OvenWerk1> How hard would it be to make a two cd set? The first is a minimal install and the second is just packages? The first includes a chooser for the second.
[05:14] <OvenWerk1> That way, in places with minimal internet, one cd set could do many computers.
[05:22] <zequence> OvenWerk1: It's done in seeds. I've been meaning to do this for us for next cycle
[05:23] <zequence> OvenWerk1: You can check how others do it. I think Lubuntu has a bunch of different ISOs
[05:25] <Unit193> For arches, not sub-flavors.
[05:58] <zequence> Unit193: They have both a live and an alternate
[05:58] <zequence> Unit193: What do you mean, sub flavors? You starting one in Xubuntu?
[05:58] <Unit193> Right, but the same system.
[06:21] <jhenke> good morning
[08:33] <brainwash> any idea what might be the cause for bug 1313220 ?
[08:34] <knome> OvenWerk1, multiple discs would still mean more testing...
[08:35] <knome> OvenWerk1, and i can't see the extra disc as much more than just an offline software repository
[08:35] <knome> OvenWerk1, people can create such discs already, and choose what they want to include
[08:35] <knome> OvenWerk1, eg. not have to download whole libreoffice if you just wanted a single langpack
[08:56] <zequence> knome: We have a special situation where the live DVD is a great tool and showcase, but too big to be practical for most installations
[08:56] <zequence> So, we will definately have two images
[08:57] <zequence> Either introducing a very basic netinstall, or a much smaller live CD variant
[09:30] <brainwash> knome: please mark bug 1312641 as wishlist, thanks :)
[09:33] <ochosi> brainwash: i suppose you didn't update your ppa with the new patch for powerman?
[09:34] <brainwash> no
[09:34] <ochosi> that would be nice, please remove the sleep though if you can, so we have a patch/test that could be proposed for SRU
[09:35] <brainwash> but which new patch?
[09:36] <ochosi> this, but without line 31: http://lpaste.net/103262
[09:37] <brainwash> what about the briefly visible desktop?
[09:37] <brainwash> xscreensaver even adds a 1 sec sleep before locking
[09:39] <brainwash> so it feels more like a wonky workaround
[09:39] <ochosi> it is
[09:39] <ochosi> it's nothing i'd want to go upstream
[09:39] <brainwash> we need a proper solution
[09:39] <ochosi> but i think it's good enough to send it through some testing
[09:41] <brainwash> mmh, maybe add some logic, so it only locks on wake up if light-locker is running
[09:41] <brainwash> otherwise before suspend
[09:44] <ochosi> yeah, but then you get to the funky part of detecting what locker is running/used
[09:44] <ochosi> what would you do if both xscreensaver and light-locker are installed/running? (typical upgrade case)
[09:44] <brainwash> prefer ll
[09:45] <Gryllida> what is light-locker ?
[09:45] <brainwash> llc already tests if ll is running
[09:45] <ochosi> just trying to make a point, it's not easy to detect what is in use
[09:46] <brainwash> so we can re-use the code
[09:47] <brainwash> but this is getting to hack-ish
[09:51] <ochosi> exactly
[09:51] <ochosi> i think the simple patch should be tested
[09:51] <ochosi> for 14.10 onwards, there'll be a better powerman etc etc
[09:51] <ochosi> bbl
[10:18] <knome> brainwash, done
[10:24] <brainwash> knome: thanks
[10:24] <brainwash> ochosi: bug 1313011
[10:25] <brainwash> maybe you know what's broken here
[11:19] <bluesabre> d'oh!
[11:19] <bluesabre> knome: https://bugs.launchpad.net/menulibre/+bug/1313276
[11:23] <bluesabre> knome: can you verify that the problem goes away if you remove the second Preferences item?
[11:29] <bluesabre> Unit193: I take it back, compton works quite well now
[12:26] <knome> bluesabre, i'll check that at some point
[13:06] <brainwash> ochosi: https://launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+archive/test now without the 1 sec sleep
[13:43] <knome> GridCube, timem to evaluate -team membership (per strategy document): what kind of contributions did you do for trusty, and do you plan to contribute to the project in the future?
[13:45] <knome> GridCube, asking because you didn't have any work item assigned the last cycle
[13:46] <GridCube> I have not done much really, i've done a few tests when elfy asked me, but not all the ones i would have liked to. I have giving some support on the main channel. As i have not been able to join most of the meeting in the last cycle i could not insert my opinions or take some task works that could have been handed to me if wanted, not that i can do much programing and such, the only project i had that i could take some time to do was the 
[13:46] <GridCube> desktop of the week thing, but that was postponed indefinetly and then i could do nothing about it.
[13:47] <knome> right, that's correct. wonder why there isn't no work items for that...
[13:47] <GridCube> I plan to keep being in the channels and doing all what i can to contribute to xubutnu, i still think its one of thebest OS i've ever used and im glad i can do even a little thing to help
[13:47] <knome> so what are your plans in the future?
[13:47] <knome> do you think you can do more testing?
[13:48] <knome> and potentially help organizing the testcases?
[13:48] <GridCube> sure i guess i can do that, i will need guidance to give me an start but i can
[13:48] <knome> there's plenty if you are interested
[13:49] <knome> most of it is in place, but they always need maintaining and improving
[13:49] <GridCube> i was just writing my reply to the mailing list discussion about a new mailing list, and my opinion is that having an external place where people who can not join the meetings to properly read and inform about the cases to vote would be rather usefull, i know it would be to me.
[13:49] <knome> i can most definitely agree to that
[13:50] <GridCube> i understand that i have not beeing of much help lately, and i apologice about that
[13:50] <knome> the problem/workload for that is actually keeping the mailing list updated
[13:50] <GridCube> I know also that I don't always have the best of attitudes and i can be rather obnoxious, and again i apologize about that
[13:50] <knome> that's okay, life happens and comes in the way
[13:50] <knome> i was just checking the situation generally
[13:50] <GridCube> thats good :)
[13:51] <GridCube> again, if theres anything any of you need help with and think i could do a service, please let me know
[13:52] <knome> you should be in touch with elfy mostly, who's running the testing and leading other efforts related to QA
[13:52] <GridCube> very good
[13:56] <knome> humph.
[14:48] <ochosi> thanks brainwash, will check out in a bit
[14:56]  * elfy get's the balrog's whip out ... 
[14:57] <ElderDryas> None Shall Pass
[14:57] <elfy> and welcomes GridCube to more testing :p
[15:01] <ElderDryas> Hey elfy, speaking of testing...my Youngest Daughter just gave me a 500gig hdd (replaced it with a SSD in her laptop).  I'm think about dual booting :(, setting up a standard partition setup for use and a seperate partition for testing (no real data, etc). What's a good size for this...10, 15, 20, 25 gig ?
[15:03] <elfy> I tend to use a 20Gb partition in vm for the majority of the basic testing - with that I can also let it do the install alongside testcase 
[15:04] <elfy> I'm also this cycle going to be harping on - for those who are in a position to do so - to run unicorn as their main machine to get more testing done with packages/panel changes
[15:05] <ElderDryas> yeah, vm...even worse than dual booting (hang overs from the days when 1) it was not so easy and 2) I was young and stupid.
[15:05] <elfy> also we hope to set up a common ppa for us to use to test things
[15:06] <ElderDryas> and while she gave me a larger hhd, she forgot to give me her ram (2gig and vm's are/were (?) dicey.
[15:06] <elfy> ElderDryas: lol - I find vm testing fine for the basic stuff - I've got 2 unicorn vm's already - one is destined to run with systemd - I've got a trusty vm with that as well
[15:06] <ElderDryas> so a 20 gig partition is good?
[15:06] <elfy> aah yea - can be abit slow ith 2GbRam
[15:07] <elfy> I'd say so - good enough to test installs with :)
[15:07] <ElderDryas> well. I have a birthday coming up...time to start plotting the hints.
[15:07] <elfy> :)
[16:08] <elfy> knome: any reason to hold the QA recap blog thing?
[16:09] <knome> elfy, can't think of any
[16:09] <elfy> ok - I'll publish then
[16:09] <ochosi> knome: what's the status on the css stuff for the lock-article?
[16:10] <knome> ochosi, "meh"
[16:11] <elfy> knome ochosi - I'm happy to wait for that lock article to go first - I just would like to get the recap out before I start calling for unicorn
[16:11] <ochosi> xubuntu project status types: "done", "todo", "inprogress", "blocked", "meh"
[16:11] <knome> elfy, no, just go ahead with the testing article
[16:11] <knome> ochosi, yep...
[16:12] <elfy> ok - done that
[16:13] <knome> can't see it
[16:13] <knome> :P
[16:13] <knome> oh
[16:13] <knome> it's released on april 16
[16:15] <knome> oops!
[16:15] <knome> fixed now.
[16:15] <knome> what the
[16:16] <knome> elfy, did you look at the actual post?
[16:16] <elfy> yea - why?
[16:16] <knome> there was some really odd formatting
[16:16] <elfy> where?
[16:17] <knome> i'm fixing it
[16:17] <elfy> k
[16:18] <knome> should be ok now
[16:18] <knome> tweeting
[16:18] <elfy> thanks :)
[16:19] <knome> and done
[16:19] <elfy> :)
[16:20] <knome> i should go to the grocery store
[16:20] <knome> bu i'm hungry
[16:20] <knome> and no wonder, haven't eaten much today
[16:20] <elfy> so ... did we get anywhere with sorting blueprints for 
[16:20] <knome> hmpf, no
[16:20] <elfy> I hate going for food when hungry
[16:20] <knome> hehe
[16:20] <knome> yeah...
[16:21] <knome> i have food at home though, the two issues are unrelated
[16:21] <elfy> :)
[16:22] <knome> ate a banana
[16:22] <knome> but... yeah, we should get organized
[16:22] <knome> i don't want to do too much before the next meeting though
[16:22] <elfy> understand that
[16:22] <elfy> I'm happy to do the 2 QA ones 
[16:22] <elfy> when it's time 
[16:23] <knome> yep
[16:24] <elfy> QA one will be a lot smaller this time - not a huge list of bugs on it 
[16:26] <brainwash> elfy: got some time to test xfpm once again? https://launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+archive/test
[16:26] <hakermania> Hey there! Can anyone confirm that this is a XUbuntu related bug? Ubuntu's indicators do not seem to have any problem with it.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wallch/+bug/1313531
[16:27] <elfy> brainwash: yep - 
[16:28] <ochosi> hakermania: yes, the icons don't get scaled down correctly currently
[16:28] <ochosi> they changed that in the indicators rather late in the cycle and without warning, so we had on time to fix that
[16:29] <hakermania> ok thanks a lot :) I just wanted to close the bug on Wallch :D
[16:29] <ochosi> meh :)
[16:30] <brainwash> elfy: the lock screen is triggered after waking up the system, so it might reveal the desktop for a brief moment. that's what we need to test and confirm
[16:30] <brainwash> test with light-locker and xscreensaver
[16:31] <brainwash> and maybe other screen lock apps
[16:34] <ochosi> testing that now too... brb (hopefully)
[16:36] <ochosi> brainwash: works fine with light-locker
[16:36] <ochosi> no more seeing the session here, all goes as expected
[16:38] <brainwash> 1 positive test result :)
[16:38] <ochosi> well, better than 0 ;)
[16:39] <elfy> exactly what are you expecting me to do here - in one line - and not forgetting I have and then asking me to do it all again ;)
[16:39] <ochosi> 1) upgrade the xfpm package from brainwash's PPA
[16:39] <ochosi> 2) restart xfpm
[16:40] <ochosi> 3) make sure lock on suspend is set in light-locker-settings
[16:40] <ochosi> 4) close the lid
[16:40] <ochosi> 5) keep your fingers crossed that everything goes fine
[16:40] <ochosi> 6) repeat the test with light-locker removed and xscreensaver installed instead
[16:40] <ochosi> sound about right? ^
[16:41] <brainwash> no need to open the lid? :P
[16:41] <elfy> oh good lord - none of my alias's are set up on this :|
[16:42] <ochosi> hehe, yeah, right, 5.1) open the lid, log in again ;)
[16:42] <elfy> lol
[16:43] <elfy> but you failed at the first hurdle anyway - looks like 6.1 lines to me :D
[16:46] <ochosi> yeah, i know, readability > line-count ;)
[16:47] <elfy> lol
[16:47] <elfy> so that all went pear shaped ... 
[16:47] <elfy> just undoing something I did the other day first :p
[16:49] <elfy> mmm
[16:50] <elfy> bah
[16:51] <elfy> so I'll do it after I've reinstalled it 
[17:11] <slickymasterWork> elfy: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/315/builds <- Xubuntu ones haven't landed yey
[17:11] <slickymasterWork> *yet
[17:15] <elfy> yea I know - I've not seen it build yet
[17:21] <elfy> brainwash ochosi - so - vanilla install, add the ppa - upgraded what it wanted to - killed and restarted xpfm - closed the lid - restart - password - black screen
[17:24] <elfy> purging ppa - readding it and then only upgrading xpfm and not light-locker
[17:34] <elfy> which didn't want to know - so upgraded - no difference - black screen here
[17:36] <ochosi> strange
[17:37] <ochosi> i guess it's no good if it doesn't work always for everyone
[17:37] <elfy> it's still sitting at the dead screen - I left it just in case you wanted me to try anything
[17:37] <elfy> ochosi: +1 this is the intel graphics machine
[17:41] <ochosi> well there's not much to try
[17:41] <elfy> ok
[17:42] <elfy>  so it's all set up to test that now - I just need pinging as and when
[17:43] <ochosi> guess if this sort of patch doesn't work, we'll need to find a good alternative approach first
[18:57] <elfy> GridCube: if you want to get more involved in QA this cycle - and that doesn't just involve testing - let me know, I'm sure I can find something :)
[18:58] <GridCube> elfy, sure, as i said anything i can help im willing to try
[18:58] <elfy> 1st step is to get a trello account then I'm afraid :p
[18:58]  * GridCube googles trello
[18:58] <elfy> that's were we do the backstage stuff
[19:02] <GridCube> done so
[19:02] <elfy> k - what's the account name? 
[19:04] <GridCube> GridCube
[19:05] <elfy> k - you should get a mail from trello with the board name 
[19:06] <elfy> lderan: re jenkins - excellent - all I've done till now is look rather irregularly :)
[19:06] <lderan> :P
[19:06] <GridCube> elfy, done and done
[19:07] <elfy> GridCube: woohoo
[19:07] <elfy> GridCube: I'll unarchive 14.04 and you can see how we used it during the cycle 
[19:08] <GridCube> :)
[19:08] <GridCube> ill check it up later
[19:08] <GridCube> now i gotta go 
[19:08] <GridCube> :D
[19:08] <elfy> basically it's just a list that we all write to - you can subscribe to things etc
[19:08] <GridCube> bbl
[19:08] <elfy> yep - well it's there now to look at 
[19:08] <GridCube> yes , i think i understand the concept
[19:08] <elfy> 14.10 is quite empty 
[19:09] <elfy> yea - it's not hard - I manage :)
[22:26] <ochosi> sergio-br2: ping
[22:28] <sergio-br2> hey
[23:15] <Unit193> < brainwash> 4.2 has been released?  <-- Yep, and with unicorn.  It contains some fixes, one of which is for UTF-8 showing up right.
[23:15] <Unit193> 4.2.1 is even out too, but not in Debian/Ubuntu yet.
[23:17] <ochosi> 4.2 of what?
[23:19] <Unit193> screen.
[23:22] <ochosi> ah
[23:30] <brainwash> ah
[23:31] <Unit193> I pulled the one when it went into experimental and rebuilt for trusty, sweetness.
[23:31] <ochosi> why, what does it do?
[23:33] <ochosi> not even sure what version of screen i have here
[23:34] <brainwash> just a version bump
[23:44] <Unit193> ochosi: 1. Nice to actually have a release after this time. 2. 4.2.1 merges distro patches so that's kind of nice.  3. And last, and the biggest one: http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/screen.git/commit/?id=d94037c08a6dd30845b27cd76d99663e06aaabb2
[23:45] <ochosi> right, i guess that's nice
[23:48] <brainwash> mmh, does not get me hyped
[23:53] <Unit193> Oki, well that's the "new release" info anywho.
[23:54] <brainwash> at least it does not break anything
[23:54] <brainwash> like firefox 29 will :D
[23:54] <brainwash> new "innovative" GUI incoming
[23:56] <Unit193> Yeah, wondering if I should apt-mark hold the current, though not the "best" idea.
[23:58] <brainwash> ah, new dev cycle - same question
[23:59] <brainwash> XMir?
[23:59] <brainwash> or is it dead already (= not an option worth testing anymore)?