[00:00] <Psil0Cybin> found the solution "Open gconf-editor, expand apps, expand nm-applet, you will see the entry of 'disable-vpn-notifications'. Modify the value to undo it."
[00:14] <Bane> hey all, got a question.  Installing xubuntu on a work computer with 2 hard drives.  Best way to install (allocation of space)
[00:14] <Bane> i read somewhere to try around 30GB for the OS on /
[00:14] <Bane> swap as 2x the RAM
[00:14] <Bane> and /home as the remainder...
[00:15] <Bane> but with two drives? what are your recommendations?
[00:15] <knome> Bane, i do that with the first drive, then mount the other drive to /data
[00:16] <Bane> hmm ok
[00:16] <Bane> you can do that after you install right?
[00:16] <Bane> i just left it as ntfs from the previous install to make sure i had time to backup data
[00:16] <Bane> so i'd just wipe it and mount as /data
[00:17] <Bane> ?
[00:17] <knome> you can do it after installation as well, yes
[00:17] <Bane> cool, i'll be working on that thanks
[00:17] <knome> you'll want to look at editing fstab for automount
[00:17] <Bane> new to linux so i'd have to look that up
[00:17] <knome> !fstab | Bane
[00:18] <Bane> thanks
[00:18] <knome> no problem, and enjoy
[00:18] <Bane> since i just got it installing
[00:18] <Bane> would it be easier to start over and redo it with /data ?
[00:18] <Bane> heh
[00:18] <Bane> nah i'll research fstab thanks
[00:19] <Bane> always good to learn new things
[00:22] <knome> fstab is easy enough and you'll have live examples in the file
[00:27] <rourick> hi :)
[00:38] <rourick> i tested all 14.04 flavor's and xubuntu my fan keep's on, any advice?
[00:44] <recon_lap> rourick: you might try tlp , I've only read it in a guide so sont know if it works well
[00:46] <recon_lap> rourick: link here http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2014/04/24/10-or-20-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-14-04-trusty-tahr/
[00:51] <recon_lap> rourick: hmm, after reading up on tlp, it does not appear to do anything with the fan
[02:28] <Archimedes> Has anyone else been experiencing issues with VPNs or know any work arounds?
[02:28] <holstein> !vpn
[02:29] <holstein> Archimedes: you'd need to explain details about what you need/want a work around for
[02:29] <Archimedes> i installed openvpn for network manager gnome
[02:29] <Archimedes> done it before in prior versions of Xubuntu
[02:29] <Archimedes> but when I go to import a save config file from my vpn provider, the network manager crashes
[02:30] <holstein> Archimedes: are you up to date with upgrades?
[02:30] <Archimedes> yes done sudo update quite a bit today
[02:30] <Archimedes> just reinstalled 14.04 to make sure it wasnt some other issue
[02:30] <holstein> quite a bit today? why?
[02:31] <holstein> sudo apt-get update? becuase that doesnt apply anything to the system
[02:31] <Archimedes> sudo apt-get upgrade?
[02:31] <holstein> Archimedes: are you up to date with upgrades? you can use "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" to search for, and apply updates
[02:32] <Archimedes> ya im completely up to date
[02:34] <holstein> Archimedes: what happens?
[02:34] <holstein> it closes? have you tried connecting to another vpn? have you referred to the ubuntu documentationt?
[02:34] <Archimedes> when I click import it does nothing for a few seconds, crashes and sends an internal error
[02:34] <holstein> Archimedes: what error?
[02:35] <Archimedes> it's quite lengthy. I had some success with gopenvpn earlier but suddenly stopped working
[02:35] <holstein> Archimedes: in what way?
[02:36] <holstein> have you added PPAs that can provide packages that can be breaking this?
[02:36] <Archimedes> no just reinstalled the entire system an hour ago max
[02:36] <Archimedes> havent added any PPAs
[02:40] <holstein> i know, i would want to test with another vpn server
[02:41] <Archimedes> just found this, someone else has the same issue in 14.04
[02:41] <Archimedes> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2217944
[02:42] <Archimedes> well I have been able to connect through the command line, so its just an issue with the config file or network manager or something
[02:44] <holstein> Archimedes: you should test that
[02:45] <holstein> Archimedes: if you can connect to the vpn, that is a nice test
[02:45] <Archimedes> holstein: Yes I am going to manually put in the info through openvpn, I'll let you know how it goes, one sec
[03:19] <cyborgcygnus> Has "app-install-data" always been a thing in xubuntu?
[03:58] <silv3r_m00n> arent there screensavers in xubuntu
[03:59] <Azelphur> silv3r_m00n: there are.
[04:00] <silv3r_m00n> Azelphur: where do i configure them ? i cant see any option in settings
[04:02] <Azelphur> that's a good question ;)
[04:02] <silv3r_m00n> o_O
[04:03] <Azelphur> silv3r_m00n: if you want fancy screensavers might be better to just install gnome-screensaver that said, xscreensaver is very dated.
[04:03] <silv3r_m00n> let me check
[04:04] <Unit193> xscreensaver-gl-extra xscreensaver-data-extra can contain the more fun ones.
[04:04] <silv3r_m00n> so screensavers are not a part of the xfce DE, rather external programs
[04:04] <Azelphur> that too, however I still can't find a way to change the screensaver short of config files :)
[04:05] <Azelphur> silv3r_m00n: the same is true for every de really, just that some de's have made their own program to do it.
[04:05] <Unit193> Azelphur: In the settings manager, or xscreensaver-command -prefs
[04:05] <silv3r_m00n> should be integrated with the DE
[04:05] <Azelphur> silv3r_m00n: ^ there's your answer
[04:05] <Unit193> silv3r_m00n: Xubuntu uses light-locker in 14.04.
[04:06] <Azelphur> silv3r_m00n: how is gnome-screensaver not integrated with xfce?
[04:06] <Azelphur> (or for that matter, any more integrated with gnome than xfce)
[04:07] <silv3r_m00n> Unit193: did light locker have a screensaver ? let me check
[04:08] <Unit193> No, it's the lock screen.
[04:08] <silv3r_m00n> hmm
[04:29] <silv3r_m00n> does light locket conflict with xscreensaver ?
[04:29] <silv3r_m00n> locker*
[04:58] <akis> hi all. on an old pc (without ethernet hardware support) i had installed 6.06 LTS. Now i am trying to connect this machine to internet using usb port and i plugged a TP-Link USB wireless device which can be seen as "ZyDas" device under "lsusb" command. The same device is working properly on a 12.04 system and can be seen as "ZyDAS ZD1211B 802.11g" device. Is there any chance to make this device work under "dead" 6.06? Any idea to help me?
[05:34] <xubuntu141> hello
[05:34] <xubuntu141> not sure how this works
[05:34] <xubuntu141> i have a question
[05:34] <xubuntu141> i installed xubuntu on a macbook pro with a dvi out
[05:35] <xubuntu141> connected dvi out to hdmi tv
[05:35] <xubuntu141> but it does not detect the tv
[05:35] <xubuntu141> any suggestions on how o fix?
[05:38] <akis> hi all. on an old pc (without ethernet hardware support) i had installed 6.06 LTS. Now i am trying to connect this machine to internet using usb port and i plugged a TP-Link USB wireless device which can be seen as "ZyDas" device under "lsusb" command. The same device is working properly on a 12.04 system and can be seen as "ZyDAS ZD1211B 802.11g" device. Is there any chance to make this device work under "dead" 6.06? Any idea to help me?
[05:40] <akis> i installed already in /lib/firmware "zd1211" driver downloaded from internet but the systme still cannot recognize the device. any idea? i read that the driver is included in 2.6.18 kernel but 6.06 includes 2.6.15. Is there any way to update to 2.6.18?
[07:24] <silv3r_m00n> is there any package, that provides additional elements for the panel ?
[07:46] <baizon> silv3r_m00n: you mean goodies?
[07:46] <baizon> silv3r_m00n: http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/start
[08:11] <keeper_19_86> My Xubuntu Desktop suddenly looks like this: http://image-upload.de/image/zwCtYN/2bcef19e82.png
[08:12] <keeper_19_86> i havent changed the greybird theme ...
[08:12] <keeper_19_86> but after a crash (where i tried different key-combinations) it has now a blue top bar and the arrow who used to be left is now on the right ...
[08:13] <keeper_19_86> does anybody know what to do?
[08:15] <ochosi> keeper_19_86: you have to change you r theme in window-manager in settings manager again to greybird
[08:15] <ochosi> that's all
[08:16] <keeper_19_86> i tried that: it tells me that i'am currently using greybird ... if i switch to another theme and swith back to greybird it looks again like in the screenshot
[08:18] <ochosi> keeper_19_86: tried to restart xfwm4 yet? (xfwm4 --replace in the terminal)
[08:18] <keeper_19_86> no not yet ...
[08:20] <keeper_19_86> it says: Waiting for current window manager (Xfwm4) on screen :0.0 to exit: Done ... but i'm not getting a prompt ... does that process take a while?
[08:23] <keeper_19_86> i also remember the following (dont't know i f that helps): After a Software in fullscreen froze, yesterday, i ran CTRL+ALT+F1, logged in with my acount and entered the command "startx" to have a graphical Desktop
[08:23] <keeper_19_86> may that have caused this?
[08:25] <ochosi> so you haven't rebooted since then?
[08:25] <ochosi> meaning you have two sessions running?
[08:26] <keeper_19_86> maybe ... shall i reboot?
[08:31] <keeper_19_86> ochosi: okay i rebooted now, but it still looks the same. But you've mentioned something interesting before (that i might have two sessions running). if i type "who" in the terminal i get two lines ("keeper :0" and "keeper pts/0") both have the date from 2 minutes ago ...
[08:31] <keeper_19_86> is that not like its supposed to be?
[08:35] <keeper_19_86> i'll just give that: https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/first-xubuntu#TOC-Remove-the-option-save-session-from-the-logout-window a try ..
[08:36] <keeper_19_86> brb
[08:37] <mnemoc> hi, my xubuntu 14.04 is totally ignoring the style I choose in "Appearance" (I want Albatross)... and hint on what to delete in .config or similar to get it working?
[08:38] <knome> mnemoc, how is it ignoring it?
[08:38] <mnemoc> knome: not changing anything when I select something
[08:39] <keeper_19_86> not successful ...
[08:40] <keeper_19_86> any further ideas?
[08:40] <mnemoc> I was working fine some weeks ago (14.04 too) ... but now it silently refuses to work
[08:40] <mnemoc> It*
[08:40] <brainwash> mnemoc: check if xfsettingsd is running in the background
[08:40] <keeper_19_86> what do you guys get, when you enter "who" in your terminal? One, or two lines?
[08:41] <mnemoc> brainwash: it is
[08:41] <knome> keeper_19_86, the output you get is okay
[08:41] <mnemoc> brainwash: should I kill it? ... is it normal to have xfce apps running with different --sm-client-id ?
[08:42] <brainwash> mnemoc: run "xfsettings --debug --replace" in a terminal window
[08:42] <brainwash> maybe we'll get some debug information
[08:42] <brainwash> xfsettingsd
[08:43] <mnemoc> xfsettingsd: Unknown option --debug.
[08:43] <brainwash> ah, my bad
[08:43] <brainwash> should be "XFSETTINGSD_DEBUG=1 xfsettingsd --replace --no-daemon"
[08:43] <mnemoc> brainwash: changes get applied when `xfsettingsd --replace`
[08:44] <mnemoc> brainwash: but they don't change dynamically when playing... until the next --replace
[08:44] <keeper_19_86> and now?
[08:44] <brainwash> ok, so it appears that xfsettingsd got stuck somehow
[08:44] <mnemoc> XFSETTINGSD_DEBUG=1 xfsettingsd --replace --no-daemon   works fine
[08:44] <brainwash> mmh
[08:45] <mnemoc> fine=dynamically applying changes
[08:45] <brainwash> so it might not daemonize properly
[08:45] <ochosi> keeper_19_86: you can check the value set in xfconf. i.e. go to the settings manager and open the settings editor, then navigate to xfwm4
[08:45] <brainwash> mnemoc: yeah, I've filed a bug report some time ago, let me find it
[08:46] <brainwash> mnemoc: bug 1239014
[08:47] <brainwash> could be the same cause
[08:47] <mnemoc> brainwash: http://sprunge.us/WdQW <--- strace of  XFSETTINGSD_DEBUG=1 xfsettingsd --replace
[08:47] <keeper_19_86> ochosi: okay i have them ...
[08:47] <brainwash> mnemoc: ah, so you got overlay-scrollbar installed on your system
[08:48] <ochosi> keeper_19_86: does the value for the "theme" say "Greybird"?
[08:48] <keeper_19_86> ochosi, nope it says "Default"
[08:48] <mnemoc> brainwash: apt-get remove ?
[08:49] <ochosi> keeper_19_86: well then change that value by hand to Greybird and your problem will most likely go away
[08:49] <mnemoc> brainwash: any data I can collect to help getting the bug fixed?
[08:49] <keeper_19_86> ochosi, aaand its gone. Wonderful :) :) :) Thank you very much!
[08:50] <ochosi> keeper_19_86: no problem, yw ;)
[08:50] <brainwash> mnemoc: you can apply the workaround instead of removing overlay-scrollbars -> bug 1239018
[08:50] <keeper_19_86> ochosi, do you have any idea, why or how this changed in the first place?
[08:51] <brainwash> mnemoc: feel free to debug it
[08:51] <ochosi> keeper_19_86: not really sure tbh. you could check though whether you can successfully change the style in window manager settings again now
[08:53] <mnemoc> brainwash: workaround in .xinitrc solved the problem. thanks!
[08:53] <brainwash> mnemoc: I assume that rewritting the daemonize routine for xfce4-settings should help (port to gdbus)
[08:53] <brainwash> mnemoc: great :)
[08:53] <keeper_19_86> ochosi, i can ... but the headline always seems to remain gray (in different shades) ... and also: i now have this upper arrow, next to minimize (that wasnt there, before ...)
[08:54] <ochosi> keeper_19_86: the arrow you can change in the style tab of window manager settings. you can drag and drop which items you want in your window borders
[08:55] <ochosi> keeper_19_86: i guess with crashing your session you simply corrupted the settings for the window manager. so now that they work again, your problem should be fine
[08:56] <keeper_19_86> ochosi, last question (i promise :) ): is there an easy way to restore all the xconf settings to the default values from a new installation?
[08:59] <ochosi> keeper_19_86: create a new user
[09:00] <ochosi> or log out of your running session, switch to another VT (with ctrl+alt+f2 or whatever number), then move your .config folder in home to another place/name, e.g. "mv .config .config_old" and log in again
[09:00] <ochosi> but then you'll have to cherrypick those settings that you wanna keep again from the _old folder
[09:01] <keeper_19_86> ochosi, thats what i wanted to hear :) (i don't have any own settings yet - so the defaults are fine for me) thanks again!
[09:02] <ochosi> no problem
[10:22] <akis> on an old machine i am running 6.06 LTS (kernel 2.15). I am wondering if it is possible to upgrade the kernel so the system can recognize my Tp Link wireless device (zd1211). Any idea?
[10:23] <knome> akis, uhm, first of all 6.06 has been EOL for ages
[10:26] <akis> knome: i know that 6.06 is discontinued for ages but the machine cannot run any newer version because it has a low specification (400mz processor, 256 ram, 5,5 gb hd only). any idea to upgrade the kernel at 2.18?
[10:30] <knome> akis, no, and since the version is EOL you are "on your own"
[10:32] <akis> knome: ok. i will google for that.
[11:10] <amigamagic> my system is very slow. I closed all the programs and the ram keep to be occupied above the 80%. Whenever I open a program, the hd begins to swap very much.
[11:10] <amigamagic> if I reboot it will be ok.
[11:11] <amigamagic> how can I check what are the programs that occupies so much ram? I cannot find them in the xfce4-taskmanager
[11:12] <amigamagic> I'm trying to kill the processes, but the occupied ram is always above the 80%
[11:13] <amigamagic> I know I can reboot but I would like to understand what is the problem...
[11:15] <amigamagic> this is the 'free' output with only a firefox, a terminal and a task-manager open:
[11:15] <amigamagic> Mem:       1010536     945500      65036       4424        620      43308
[11:16] <amigamagic> if I close and open firefox, the hd always begins to swap
[11:17] <matariles> Hello, how can I know if the wireless card is broken? It is not recognized even in a usb boot... but it was working until yesterday, suddenly after a update and reboot recognized but non working, and after another reboot not present. Thanks in advance!! Wireless info: http://pastebin.com/nTxNgZQJ
[11:18] <amigamagic> matariles, if it worked in a live distro, you could try to make a boot cd or a bootable pendrive live distro, and try that
[11:19] <gry> that wifi question is exemplary (but out of my depth)
[11:21] <amigamagic> I don't think there are other ways to know if a wireless card is broken, apart trying to reinstall a driver (if it was windows) or installing the entire os / booting from a live distro (with a distro you know it absolutely worked before)
[11:23] <amigamagic> matariles, do you have dhcp on?
[11:37] <matariles> amigamagic: how can I know if dhcp is on? Yesterday I tryed my current xubuntu from a bootable usb, it does't worked. Also reset the BIOS to the defaults. Thanks!
[11:38] <xubuntu192> bonjour a tous
[11:38] <matariles> Sorry for my english...
[11:39] <rigo__> hi. i installed xubuntu on an e350m1 and the videos are quite laggy. i have another e350 cpu based board running server ubuntu + xbmc (same mesa drivers installed and it plays 1080p + dts hd without problem)
[11:39] <rigo__> should i remove all drivers (if so then how?) and reinstall them? (if so then how?)
[11:48] <matariles> Amigamagic: ok, i have found it: IPv4 parameter is "Automatic (DHCP)" Is it ok?
[11:58] <matariles> Wireless card not detected is a Ralink RT2561/RT61 revB 802 11g
[11:59] <sernylan> How do I restart the panel without logging out?
[12:21] <xubuntu136> Hi, Do am I the only one ? When I'm trying to close my computer, sometimes it works, sometimes not. I'm on Xubuntu 14.04.
[12:44] <Lanzo> Salut !
[12:46] <Lanzo> Hi !
[12:50] <amigamagic> how much is the time a user usually enters into a channel, asks for something, and then exits because no one answers?
[12:52] <baizon> amigamagic: ~1min
[12:52] <amigamagic> wow, all this patience... :D
[12:53] <baizon> :)
[13:30] <amigamagic> how much ram does xubuntu use after boot ?
[13:32] <amigamagic> to me about 420MB...
[13:48] <brainwash> amigamagic: that's quite a lot
[13:52] <rigo__> amigamagic: well im here since 13:39 and waiting for an answer.. so 1 minute is realistic. cause if you dont get answer in 1 min you will never.
[13:55] <amigamagic> brainwash, it's a xubuntu 14.04 inside a virtual machine
[13:56] <amigamagic> rigo__, what was your question?
[13:57] <rigo__> if what to do if i have 2 boards with same cpu/gpu (e350) i run ubuntu server 14.04 + xbmc on the first and xubuntu 14.04 on the 2nd. same mesa drivers installed and i can play 1080p + dtshd on the xbmc, but even the 240p youtube is laggy on the xubuntu.
[13:59] <amigamagic> rigo__, could be many things
[14:00] <amigamagic> it works hardware acceleration on those boards?
[14:01] <rigo__> i had the idea to install the server same way and instead of apt-get install xbmc xbmc-bin do apt-get install xfce but i would lost several functions in this case
[14:01] <rigo__> xbmc is asus e35m1-m pro, xubuntu is asrock e350m1. hw acceleration must work yes. i guess
[14:02] <amigamagic> try to do a glxgears from command line
[14:02] <amigamagic> and check how many fps do you have
[14:03] <rigo__> 375 frames in 5.0 seconds = 74.930 FPS
[14:03] <amigamagic> try this: "vblank_mode=0 glxgears"
[14:04] <rigo__> 375 frames in 5.0 seconds = 74.959 FPS
[14:04] <amigamagic> it's very low
[14:04] <rigo__> same result
[14:04] <amigamagic> on my virtual machine with 3D hw acceleration OFF, I get ~200fps
[14:04] <amigamagic> with hw acceleration on ~1000fps
[14:04] <rigo__> maybe i should reinstall the driver? or how to enable the hw acceleration?
[14:05] <rigo__> how to check if its enabled or not?
[14:05] <amigamagic> I think there is not a clear answer on this question... I asked that many times...
[14:06] <amigamagic> glxgears is the most useful thing I found until now for this matter
[14:07] <amigamagic> anyway, 74fps is VERY LOW, so I think you don't have 3D acceleration enabled
[14:07] <rigo__> it has nothing to do with bios right? i mean its not disable-able :D in the bios right?
[14:08] <amigamagic> no, it's a gpu driver problem
[14:08] <amigamagic> if the driver is good, it should be enabled as default
[14:10] <rigo__> libva info: Trying to open /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/fglrx_drv_video.so
[14:10] <rigo__> i have no such..
[14:10] <amigamagic> rigo, try this: "sudo update-pciids #optional command, requires internet
[14:10] <amigamagic> lspci -nn | grep VGA
[14:11] <rigo__> reboot after update-pciids?
[14:11] <amigamagic> no
[14:12] <amigamagic> what's the output of the lspci -nn | grep VGA ?
[14:12] <rigo__> 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Wrestler [Radeon HD 6310] [1002:9802]
[14:14] <amigamagic> it should be supported by the open source driver for ATI gpu
[14:15] <amigamagic> but I think you installed the proprietary driver, right?
[14:15] <amigamagic> fglrx
[14:16] <rigo__> it sais it is already the latest version. i GUESS i installed the mesa drivers AND the fglrx too. is this a problem?
[14:16] <amigamagic> yes
[14:16] <amigamagic> maybe those drivers don't work well for your configuration
[14:17] <rigo__> i installed fglrx after installed mesa. i try to remove all the mesa. so u say xubuntu should work just fine on an e350 right?
[14:17] <amigamagic> you can try the following to remove the fglrx and install the opensource one:
[14:17] <amigamagic> sudo apt-get remove fglrx*
[14:17] <amigamagic> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-ati
[14:19] <rigo__> i need to reboot. (xserver-xorg-video-ati is already installed)
[14:19] <rigo__> brb.
[14:24] <rigo__> well. removing fglrx* helped. NO clue why. can you please explain?
[14:24] <amigamagic> no more lags?
[14:26] <rigo__> no. 1080p is not 100% or maybe i need to wait a bit to cache or dunno. but the glxgears gives 700+ fps
[14:26] <amigamagic> that's good
[14:27] <amigamagic> basically you are using now the opensource drivers for ati cards, instead of the proprietary one
[14:27] <amigamagic> maybe the fglrx driver didn't enabled 3d acceleration for your system, because it didn't detected your gpu
[14:28] <rigo__> is fglrx still broken? (it cant vsync or play 1080p or some hd sound dunno with xbmc)
[14:28] <amigamagic> the opensource driver usually is a little slower but stabler
[14:28] <amigamagic> but it depends from your gpu. Some will do better with fglrx, some others without it.
[14:28] <rigo__> its not a problem at all. this is a small home pc for my mother. she facebooks and youtubes all around.. maybe some webcam sex :D no no.. so webcam chat. :D
[14:29] <knome> TMI
[14:29] <knome> rigo__, this is a family-friendly channel
[14:30] <rigo__> knome: and the word "sex" is not obscene at all. i hope. if so i give back my colleague degree.
[14:30] <rigo__> so amigamagic thanks for your help i would never tried to remove the fglrx. take care
[14:30] <amigamagic> rigo__, no problem :)
[14:31] <rigo__> bye :)
[14:35] <amigamagic> knome, it's normal ~420MB of used ram after boot for xubuntu 14.04?
[14:36] <amigamagic> I'm killing all the processes like xfdesktop, xfce4-panel, etc., so now I have only a void desktop wallpaper with a terminal on it.
[14:36] <amigamagic> and the free command tells me that are used ~320MB
[14:38] <amigamagic> I'm keeping to kill processes... Let's see how far I can go...
[14:46] <amigamagic> I continued to terminate them until a limit of ~240MB of used ram.
[14:47] <amigamagic> After that, killing another process would kill the x session too.
[14:53] <amigamagic> I have to say, it's not so light as I thought this XFCE DE... At least in its xubuntu version (14.04). I tried the debian 7 stable with xfce 4.8 and after boot it uses ~200MB with all the usual plugins in the panel and the whisker menu too.
[14:57] <amigamagic> But it's strange... And it's strange I cannot understand in the task manager what's the process that keeps all this ram itself
[14:58] <amigamagic> maybe it's the kernel 3.13 that reserves more ram for itself? In debian 7 the kernel is the old 3.2
[14:59] <amigamagic> anyway I don't think it's the xfce 4.10/11 that takes the ram. I tried to disable the compositor too, but it doesn't change anything.
[15:04] <amigamagic> I should try to reinstall a clean xubuntu 14.04 and check if the ram usage is the same as it is now. Maybe some software/service installed after the first clean install is eating my ram.
[15:05] <koegs> you should fire up top/htop/free to see what really eats the ram
[15:06] <amigamagic> the strange thing is that when my used ram will go up to 800MB, I can't see  what is the process that eat it
[15:06] <amigamagic> I tried with taskmanager and top
[15:07] <amigamagic> I tried to kill all the bigger processes, but nothing... Always ~800MB occupied. Now, after a reboot, I have ~420MB occupied.
[15:07] <koegs> http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[15:07] <Artemis3> hope you are substracting the buffers frin tge free command, if confused use lxtask
[15:07] <brainwash> ~350MB here
[15:08] <amigamagic> I read the second 'used' row from 'free' command
[15:08] <amigamagic> it should be (used - buffer - cache)
[15:08] <amigamagic> brainwash, that is after a boot, or after normal usage?
[15:08] <brainwash> it's a test system with over 7500 packages installed, so some useless stuff is loaded additionally
[15:08] <brainwash> fresh boot after login
[15:09] <amigamagic> it's possible that gedit use a lot of my ram? I installed gedit, but I have not open it yet.
[15:09] <amigamagic> but I noticed it installed a lot of gnome deps
[15:10] <brainwash> how should we know? :)
[15:10] <amigamagic> oh sorry, I thought you had a crystal ball... :D
[15:11] <elfy> I have one - special use only
[15:11] <elfy> I've used gedit - didn't notice a massive increase in ram usage with it
[15:12] <amigamagic> so, the only thing I can do it is to reinstall xubuntu
[15:12] <amigamagic> and see the ram usage after the first boot
[15:12] <koegs> did you check what really uses the memory?
[15:13] <koegs> htop -> F6 -> Sort by MEM%
[15:13] <amigamagic> koegs, as I said before, I continued to kill processes sorted by memory usage
[15:15] <amigamagic> is htop more accurate than top?
[15:15] <koegs> you can sort processes by mem-usage
[15:15] <amigamagic> I can do that with top too
[15:15] <amigamagic> with the keys ">" and "<"
[15:15] <koegs> and then kill them, then check second row, second column of free
[15:15] <koegs> and read my link :)
[15:16] <amigamagic> koegs, if you refer to that linuxatemyhamster link, I'm not so ignorant on the matter :D
[15:17] <koegs> well, maybe you can nopaste "free -m" and we will see :)
[15:18] <koegs> and by the way, "installing an app" will not use more ram if you do not use them
[15:18] <amigamagic> but maybe if it install some service that auto-start in background...
[15:18] <amigamagic> I'm trying with htop
[15:19] <koegs> thats something different...
[15:22] <amigamagic> ok, rebooted again, now the free gives to me this:
[15:22] <amigamagic> Mem:       1010536     900488     110048       2636      47144     413444
[15:22] <amigamagic> -/+ buffers/cache:     439900     570636
[15:23] <amigamagic> as you say: 439900 is the memory used from the system and applications (-buffers and cache)
[15:24] <Artemis3> there is also a bunch of extra stuff running in a typical ubuntu install, ie. unneded (and annoyting) things such as apport
[15:24] <amigamagic> *say = see
[15:25] <amigamagic> I want to try something else: now I will create a new user and login with it.
[15:25] <Artemis3> and remember 64bits use more ram
[15:26] <amigamagic> Artemis3, I know. But on the debian 7 virtual machine I have ~200MB of used ram, and it's a 64bit one.
[15:26] <amigamagic> kernel much older (3.2 vs 3.13)
[15:26] <Artemis3> same using 32bit takes about 70m of ram (xfce)
[15:27] <Artemis3> in xubuntu it woule be around 150m
[15:27] <Artemis3> (32bit)
[15:27] <amigamagic> it's reasonable
[15:28] <Artemis3> i doubt the kernel matters, but you can try the last one from backports (3.11?) to see the difference
[15:28] <amigamagic> mmh.. I could try that...
[15:28] <Artemis3> also wheezy uses an older xfce
[15:29] <amigamagic> 4.8, I know
[15:29] <amigamagic> but I don't think it should make such a difference
[15:29] <Artemis3> you can compare against xubuntu 12.04 instead...
[15:29] <brainwash> and it does not load gtk3 libs by default I guess
[15:34] <amigamagic> mmmh... with a new created user, after login the used memory was about 370MB
[15:35] <amigamagic> but after a change in the display resolution (vmware tools installed detects window resizing on the host system) the memory used bumped to 420MB
[15:36] <Artemis3> youd better have like 4g of ram to use 64bits
[15:36] <binali> Hello people! Please help me! How can I share files from xubuntu to windows?
[15:37] <amigamagic> Artemis3, it's a testing virtual machine, so I didn't reserve much ram to it, but I suppose I should give it at least 1.5GB for comfortable use
[15:37] <Artemis3> binali, lan? i would use filezilla (add ssh to xubuntu) ^^
[15:37] <soreau> I have one installation of 13.10 and another of 12.04 LTS. The 13.10 install notified about 14.04 but the 12.04 refuses to realize a new LTS version is available. I had it set to notify me of only LTS updates. Now that I set it to notify about any new version, it is saying 12.10 is available. I thought LTS->LTS upgrades were possible, is this not correct?
[15:37] <Artemis3> amigamagic, 64bit is a memory hog :3
[15:37] <binali> Yes, Lan or Wlan
[15:38] <Artemis3> binali, ie if you install package ssh to xubuntu, you can from windows use filezilla to connect sftp to it :)
[15:38] <soreau> even though I set it back to only notify about new LTS versions, update-manager is still saying 12.10 is available
[15:39] <soreau> How can I upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04?
[15:39] <binali> Artemis3, thank you man=)))
[15:39] <ElderDryas> binali: You can start here http://askubuntu.com/questions/321418/how-do-i-share-folders-in-xubuntu and here http://askubuntu.com/questions/320241/how-do-i-set-network-sharing-in-xubutu-13-04-with-samba-installed
[15:39] <koegs> updating to 14.04 LTS will be activated as soon as 14.04.1 is released
[15:39] <amigamagic> Artemis3, yes, and I think buggy vmware vga drivers wasted much memory when I resized the vmware window in the host system
[15:39] <amigamagic> so that's could be the problem
[15:40] <soreau> koegs: Any idea when that might be?
[15:40] <amigamagic> and it's memory that I cannot see in top, htop or other software, so it has to be memory reserverd by the kernel
[15:40] <koegs> soreau: not right now, but you can force the upgrade with "sudo do-release-upgrade -d"
[15:41] <soreau> koegs: 6 months? 3 weeks? tomorrow? (ballpark?)
[15:41] <koegs> amigamagic: just to be sure you can use htop as root
[15:41] <bazhang> soreau, july
[15:41] <koegs> soreau: 24th of July 2014 :)
[15:42] <Artemis3> 13.10 to 14.04 is already active, but 12.04 to 14.04 is not... perhaps lacks more testing (mine failed anyway due to some missing file)
[15:42] <koegs> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[15:42] <soreau> that's strange, might as well call it 14.07
[15:43] <elfy> soreau: no - it's called 14.04.1 :)
[15:43] <soreau> elfy: 14.01+3
[15:44] <Artemis3> the point releases are like updates for LTS instead of new release
[15:44] <koegs> or 14.04 Service Pack 1 :>
[15:44] <soreau> well that's counterintuitive, thanks for the info though
[15:44] <Artemis3> koegs, i would call it: update pack ;)
[15:44] <knome> i would call it a point release with stable release updates
[15:44] <koegs> that is why it is called 14.04.1 instead of 14.07
[15:45] <Artemis3> and .2 would make it terribly confusing
[15:45] <Pici> Also, 14.04 will continue getting point releases after 14.10 is released
[15:56] <elfy> and 15.04, 15.10 all the way to 19.04 :)
[15:57] <ElderDryas> Which brings up another point...LTS releases usually have 1,2,3,4 updates, but LTS's also have another year (xubuntu) or three (ubuntu) in which they receive (security?) updates. Im's assuming that during this period they don't bump the version number (5,6, etc)?
[16:00] <Pici> Remember that the version number is the YEAR.MONTH of release, it doesn't really make sense to bump the version numbers instead of making them point releases.
[16:01] <someguy12345> Hey guys, was just sitting here and the top panel crashed
[16:01] <someguy12345> not sure how to get it back or what the issue is
[16:06] <ElderDryas> someguy12345: start here (to fix, as to why...no idea)
[16:06] <ElderDryas> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels
[16:08] <ElderDryas> and here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels
[16:09] <ElderDryas> the last lik was the one I meant to post first..sorry
[16:13] <Guest47266> Question:  I am in the process of moving through the steps of the xubuntu installer.  I have reached the questions about encryption.  I am set on having full disc encryption, rather than simply the encryption of my home directory.  On the xUbuntu 14.04 LTS installer, would the obvious options result in full disc encryption?  I'm seeing a blurb about files outside of xUbuntu not being encrypted... which makes me
[16:13] <Guest47266> wonder.
[16:14] <Guest47266> Is xUbuntu one of the distros that requires use of the "alternate install" disc to enable FDE?
[17:01] <likemindead> Running Xubuntu 14.04 & it's incredible. Only minor thing I've noticed is the spellcheck isn't running in Firefox. The box is ticked in the preferences. Any ideas?
[17:03] <brainwash> did you install any dictionary packages?
[17:03] <likemindead> Nevermind. Found it. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/united-states-english-spellche/
[17:25] <Jay_>  at the part where i have selected whats the feature called when he moves the thing about http://youtu.be/HQWLTJ-UnHM?t=1m41s
[17:26] <knome> Jay_, this is not the kubuntu channel, why would we know?
[17:26] <Jay_> ok crap
[17:26] <Jay_> i put it x instead of k got confused
[17:26] <Jay_> leaving....
[18:15] <soreau> I've upgraded to xubuntu 14.04 but for whatever reason, network-manager service doesn't start automatically on boot. During the boot splash, there are messages about waiting for network connection and booting without full network configuration. After the desktop environment loads, I have to start network-manager service manually and subsequently restart nm-applet. Any idea what might be going on? I was under the impression that ubuntu started install
[18:15] <soreau> ed services automatically on boot
[18:17] <GTB3NW> Okay so I upgraded to 14.04 and it's kind of messed up my system :S
[18:18] <GTB3NW> First couple of boots were fine, now it takes upwards of 5 minutes (Opposed to 20 seconds prior)
[18:18] <GTB3NW> graphics go cray cray when booting, xfwm doesn't load
[18:18] <GTB3NW> have to manually restart xfwm
[18:19] <GTB3NW> notification icons are not appearing in the notification tray, the only one which seems to work is the audio manager (which icon is messed up) and hexchat...
[18:19] <GTB3NW> everything else is not appearing at all
[18:21] <Hedgework> what changed between the boots that were fine and now?  Update anything? Change config?
[18:22] <GTB3NW> nothing has changed, literally upgraded, restarted as requested and that was fine, after that... not fine
[18:22] <GTB3NW> I'm happy to check my syslog... I just have no idea what to look for
[18:23] <Hedgework> soreau and GTB3NW: you might both take a look at /var/log/dmesg... soreau to see if network-manager is trying to start and failing, GTB3NW in a search for interesting errors in general
[18:23] <GTB3NW> okay, I noticed others have the issue with the icons on the forums too
[18:23] <GTB3NW> could be a widespread thing?
[18:24] <GTB3NW> only just posted within the past couple of days too..
[18:25] <GTB3NW> Hedgework, got dmesg open, anything I can ctrl+f to get started?
[18:26] <Hedgework> GTB3NW: check for any warnings or errors...if nothing pops out at you pastebin it...I'll look if I have time later (@work now)
[18:27] <GTB3NW> Hedgework, the only thing which stands out is "realtek: No valid SSID, checking pincfg 0x4005e601 for NID 0x1d"
[18:28] <GTB3NW> but my network was definately connected straight away, all the apps were signed on
[18:28] <Hedgework> that should only be a wifi problem (if a problem at all) not video, etc.
[18:28] <Hedgework> okay, so you are on xubuntu, I assume you are set to boot to a graphical interface (probably teh default lightdm) right away?  if that's the case check your Xorg logs
[18:28] <GTB3NW> odd.. hda-intel shouldn't be appearing if I'm using ATI & AMD hardware?
[18:30] <GTB3NW> default settings, if lightdm is default then yes. However I'm set to auto-login
[18:30] <GTB3NW> I've noticed if I logout the system looks fine, it has the bar at the top
[18:30] <GTB3NW> logging in afterwards takes ages
[18:37] <Hedgework> That sounds like an xorg configuration issue of some sort, but I haven't the cycles to track it down at the moment
[18:38] <GTB3NW> just moved to the proprietry drivers, gonna give it a restart see if it helps
[18:45] <GTB3NW> bizarre... the driver updates have made it worse off lmao
[18:46] <GTB3NW> it loads dramatically quicker, but it's as if only half the wm is loaded.. the "- + X" on windows is there and has window stylings.. but the docks are missing
[18:46] <GTB3NW> "xfwm4 --replace" does not fix the issue like it did before..
[18:47] <GridCube> GTB3NW, do xrandr -s SCREENxRESOLUTION
[18:47] <GTB3NW> GridCube, no output..
[18:48] <GridCube> no... how can you see the screen borders if you have no output?
[18:48] <GTB3NW> I mean from console, there was no output from that command
[18:48] <GTB3NW> not graphical sorry ;)
[18:48] <GridCube> oh
[18:49] <GridCube> right, in this context xrandr will tell you no output if there is no screen to apply the setting
[18:49] <GridCube> so reseting the screen did not bring the panel back?
[18:49] <GTB3NW> would I do the xfwm --replace again?
[18:50] <GridCube> mmm i would try xfce4-panel
[18:50] <GTB3NW> ohh running that command from terminal and not app launcher gives me an error..
[18:50] <GTB3NW> Error opening /dev/dri/card0
[18:50] <GTB3NW> graphics card issue? :S
[18:51] <GridCube> mabbe
[18:51] <GTB3NW> xfce4-panel: There is already a running instance
[18:51] <GridCube> try using arandr to see how your screens are loaded
[18:51] <GridCube> you have to install arandr tho
[18:51] <GTB3NW> okay
[18:53] <GTB3NW> how should I use it?
[18:53] <GTB3NW> it's on DFP1 & 5
[18:53] <GridCube> GTB3NW, you can drag screens, and see what their particular settings are and where are each screen in relation to the other
[18:54] <GridCube> you can also see the available resolutions and see if changing them changes anything
[18:54] <GTB3NW> is it supposed to update something on my screen? nothing changes no matter what I do
[18:54] <GTB3NW> even deactivating screens
[18:54] <GridCube> nothing will happen if you dont click the apply button
[18:55] <GTB3NW> ohhh goddd
[18:55] <GTB3NW> haha
[18:55] <GTB3NW> quick what's the keybind to apply?
[18:55] <GTB3NW> I can't reach the button?
[18:55] <GTB3NW> -.-
[18:55] <GTB3NW> enter it seems
[18:56] <GridCube> enter was because the icon was preselected
[18:56] <GTB3NW> I need to have some food, will you be here to help still in around 10 minutes?
[18:57] <GridCube> GTB3NW, you can also check if this error is permanent by going to the login stage and chosing a guest account if things work properly there just remove the .config/xfce4 folders of your ~/
[18:58] <GTB3NW> will give it a go
[18:58] <GTB3NW> how can I logout from CLI?
[18:58] <GTB3NW> brb
[19:01] <sibecker> Has anyone else had issues with libreoffice after updating to 14.04?
[19:05] <GridCube> !anyone | sibecker
[19:05] <GridCube> !ask | sibecker
[19:06] <sibecker> Libreoffice fails to start on my machine after updating to Xubuntu 14.04.  I've googled, but couldn't find anything.  Any help appreciated!
[19:07] <GridCube> sibecker, try launching it from a terminal, see if any interesting error message pops up
[19:08] <sibecker> No, just returns, with error code 0
[19:08] <sibecker> strace at http://paste.ubuntu.com/7354498/
[19:14] <drc> I'm having a problem with 14.04, the Network Manager (I assume) and the hardware wifi switch on my Dell 1420 laptop.  On a boot, when the switch is OFF, 14.04 show about 75% of CPU being used (network manager).  The second I turn the hardware switch ON, the CPU usage drops to a more normal level.  If the switch is on when booting, CPU usage is normal, and turning if off has no effect on the CPU usage. This is new behavior with Xubuntu 14.04 (and no other dist
[19:14] <drc> o).  Anyone have any hints?
[19:15] <GTB3NW> damn gridcube is gone, ahh well
[19:16] <GTB3NW> if anyone else has the issue and is checking irc logs.. guest session loads totally fine, so it's a config error
[19:16] <elfy> GTB3NW: did you completely delete the original .cache?
[19:16] <soreau> Hedgework: Thanks, I found gpu reset stuff in dmesg (woops) but network-manager not starting on boot was due to wrong stuff in /etc/network/interfaces
[19:17] <GTB3NW> elfy, I've not touched .cache
[19:17] <elfy> GTB3NW: ok - so you still have the issue logged in properly?
[19:17] <David-A> sibecker: (just a longshot, if its a dotfile) have you tried logging in as another user that have never used libre, if he/she can use it?
[19:17] <GTB3NW> elfy, I'm logged in under my account now and the issue persists
[19:17] <elfy> GTB3NW: not .cache - sorry .config
[19:17] <GTB3NW> not touched it
[19:18] <GTB3NW> I can delete the xfce4 folder and logout and in?
[19:18] <sibecker> David-A: I'll give it a go
[19:18] <elfy> ok - so do as gridcube suggests - but I'd not delete it - I would rename it and move it
[19:18] <GTB3NW> sure thing
[19:18] <elfy> then when you log back in it should create what it needs - then move things back until it breaks :)
[19:19] <GTB3NW> kk :P
[19:19] <elfy> because that folder will have your settings for apps as well
[19:19] <GTB3NW> cheers, logging out, will leave channel so it doesn't have awaynick spam
[19:19] <GTB3NW> will report back once done
[19:19] <elfy> GTB3NW: hang on
[19:19] <GTB3NW> im here :)
[19:19] <GTB3NW> & understood
[19:20] <elfy> oh you said it -anyway - yea just lose the xfce4 folder
[19:20] <GTB3NW> kk, brb
[19:20] <soreau> looks like the problems might have been related, all fixed now, boots way fast now
[19:21] <GTB3NW> elfy, resolved ;)
[19:21] <elfy> ok - now go to the moved xfce4 folder and try moving them back one by one :)
[19:22] <GTB3NW> I think most programs I use have their own settings folders
[19:22] <elfy> yep
[19:22] <GTB3NW> Nothing obvious is broken, so I think I'll keep it as is
[19:22] <elfy> good call :)
[19:22] <GTB3NW> elfy, has the plugin which shows notifications changed?
[19:23] <GTB3NW> bluetooth is now showing (:/) and hexchat has its own section in the tray
[19:23] <GTB3NW> like.... it's not a notication? -.-
[19:23] <GTB3NW> notification*
[19:23] <elfy> yea
[19:23] <elfy> same here
[19:23] <GTB3NW> it's classed as a window for some reason.. explains why it showed when others didn't
[19:24] <elfy> except bluetooth
[19:24] <elfy> not got that
[19:24] <GTB3NW> funny thing is.. don't even have bluetooth -.-
[19:24] <GTB3NW> easy fix
[19:24] <elfy> yep
[19:25] <GTB3NW> again for anyone trawling irc logs, right click -> plugins -> untick bluetooth plugin
[19:27] <sibecker> David-A: Yes another user can run libreoffice.
[19:27] <GTB3NW> elfy, appreciate the help, thanks
[19:28] <elfy> GTB3NW:
[19:28] <elfy> welcome :)
[19:28] <GTB3NW> any idea how to center a panel?
[19:28] <xubuntu555> hi guys, i am just installing xubuntu 14.04, and i have been using it in version 13.10, i see that there is a new "menu start", what i have to do to have xubu 14.04 buth this menu from 13.10?
[19:29] <elfy> sibecker: then rename your libreoffice file and see if it starts for you
[19:29] <sibecker> elfy: my libreoffice file?
[19:29] <GTB3NW> xubuntu555, have you upgraded to 14.04?
[19:30] <drc> xubuntu555:  Add New Items>Applications Menu, if I read your question correctly.
[19:30] <elfy> GTB3NW: you probably need to fiddle with the separators - and not expand them - then it will shrink - as far as centering - no idea how to do it exactly - but once it has shrunk you can unlock and then move it
[19:30] <drc> You want the old menu, not whisker?
[19:30] <xubuntu555> nno, i am not upgrading, i am doing fresh install after format
[19:30] <sibecker> elfy: Not to woory, it's working for me again.  Not sure what did it, as I tried rebooting before
[19:30] <elfy> sibecker: your libreoffice config file /home/user/.config/libreoffice/
[19:30] <elfy> aah ok :)
[19:31] <GTB3NW> xubuntu555, if you want the new "whisker" menu then it will be on by default
[19:31] <GTB3NW> if for some reason it's not, you just need to add it to the panel, it's a new item
[19:31] <xubuntu555> drc : yes this is exacly what i wanted! thanks!
[19:31] <GTB3NW> elfy, will have a quick search, if not I'll probably go third party with it
[19:31] <xubuntu555> thanks a lot!
[19:31] <drc> xubuntu555: np
[19:31] <elfy> GTB3NW: the panel?
[19:32] <GTB3NW> elfy, yeah for a dock
[19:32] <GTB3NW> drc, he went? -.-
[19:32] <elfy> GTB3NW: http://imagebin.org/307991
[19:33] <drc> GTB3NW: I thinks so, he found want he wanted and went for tea :)
[19:33] <GTB3NW> drc, ohh missed your first comment
[19:33] <GTB3NW> only saw the second :P
[19:33] <GTB3NW> elfy, yes I'm trying to center it
[19:34] <elfy> GTB3NW: panel preference - unlock - move it - lock it :)
[19:34] <GTB3NW> I'm a little OCD, would like it mathmatically centered.. not by eye ;)
[19:35] <elfy> oh - well for that I will be absolutely no help at all as I have mine exactly up against a corner normally :)
[19:35] <GTB3NW> haha
[19:35] <GTB3NW> no worries
[19:35] <elfy> :)
[19:35] <GTB3NW> I think I'd like to try a third party dock
[19:36] <elfy> GTB3NW: you can do that - but as far as I know - you can't get rid of the last panel easily
[19:36]  * drc wonders how they centered the old Panel1 (the bottom one)?  by eye?
[19:37] <elfy> drc: good point - though I can't answer it :)
[19:37] <GTB3NW> hmm?
[19:37] <elfy> I would think that ochosi would know that
[19:38] <ochosi> from what i remember we used a 100% wide panel
[19:38] <drc> Yeah, if it has to do with prettiness, ochosi  would know :)
[19:38] <ochosi> and then two separators in each corner, set to expand
[19:38] <ochosi> drc: don't make me blush ;)
[19:38] <GTB3NW> sweet
[19:38] <GTB3NW> ty
[19:39] <ochosi> np
[19:39] <GTB3NW> however, does that not still cause a fill?
[19:39] <GTB3NW> of colour that is?
[19:39] <ochosi> depending on your panel bg color
[19:39] <ochosi> you can make the panel semi-transparent or even fully transparent
[19:39] <ochosi> it has the downside of having a full-width panel
[19:39] <ochosi> but the upside of being easily able to bring it up
[19:40] <GTB3NW> I made mine semi transparent.. but it only displayed the icon bits with background...
[19:40] <ochosi> even where there are no launchers
[19:40] <elfy> drc: and a ping worked too :)
[19:41] <drc> Yeah, "He's here, he's there, he's everywhere...ochosi-man"
[19:41] <GTB3NW> hmm very weird...
[19:41] <GTB3NW> when I reduce the percentage of the panel it reduces from the right
[19:41] <GTB3NW> until a certain percentage.. when it randomly starts reducing from the left as well
[19:41] <GTB3NW> but at a lesser rate..
[19:42] <GTB3NW> at 60% it seems
[19:43] <drc> now, if he only had an answer to my wifi hardware-switch / cpu problem :(
[19:43] <GTB3NW> what's up drc?
[19:44] <drc> GTB3NW: You want to scroll up or have me re-post it?
[19:45] <GTB3NW> yeah I have no idea... (I scrolled)
[19:45] <ochosi> GTB3NW: you can also drag the panel to the center, it should "lock" there when you reach the absolute center
[19:45] <drc> It's probably an ubuntu problem, as it happens in x/k/ubuntu (live and installed)
[19:45] <ochosi> or have you tried that already
[19:46] <GTB3NW> ochosi, my first instinct, if there's a lock.. it aint obvious
[19:47] <elfy> ochosi: so it does
[19:47] <elfy> GTB3NW: move it slowly - there is a stop
[19:51] <GTB3NW> elfy, decided plank looks nicer :P
[19:52] <elfy> :)
[19:52] <GTB3NW> now if I can work out how to use it..
[19:54] <ochosi> plank is also nicer if you want to track your open windows/apps
[19:54] <ochosi> that's something the xfce panel can't do (yet)
[19:55] <GTB3NW> now if I can figure out the configuration... :P
[20:02] <DomiX> hi, how do I enable switch user on xubuntu 14.04 (upgraded from 13.10) ?
[20:06] <ochosi> DomiX: locking your session = switching users
[20:06] <ochosi> switch user is just a different term, will do the same though
[20:06] <ochosi> (i.e. will lock your session and redirect you to the greeter screen)
[20:08] <DomiX> ok, you disconnect is same as switching user ?
[20:08] <DomiX> you mean*
[20:08] <ochosi> disconnect?
[20:09] <ochosi> i mean lock
[20:09] <DomiX> ok i see
[20:09] <ochosi> not sure what you mean with disconnect
[20:10] <DomiX> applications (download with firefox) will still continue ?
[20:10] <ochosi> yup, should
[20:10] <delt> what's plank?
[20:10] <ochosi> delt: a so-called "dock", i.e. a panel that shows your running applications and launchers at the same time
[20:10] <ochosi> think OSX
[20:11] <DomiX> ochosi, ok. In 13.10 I recall to have a menu with "change user" and it disappeared on 14.10
[20:12] <ochosi> yes
[20:12] <ochosi> because we're using a new locker now
[20:12] <ochosi> which uses the greeter as lockscreen
[20:12] <ochosi> so locking and switching users became the same thing
[20:12] <delt> ochosi: ah i see.. i can't find it in the repo though
[20:12] <DomiX> ochosi, ok I understand thx
[20:12] <ochosi> DomiX: np
[20:12] <ochosi> delt: yeah, it's only in some PPAs
[20:13] <delt> too new?
[20:13] <delt> or not widely enough used?
[20:13] <ochosi> mostly used in elementary OS
[20:13] <ochosi> many of their software never made it to the regular repos
[20:13] <ochosi> not sure why
[20:14] <delt> does it have that "magnifier glass" effect like the panel in osx?
[20:14] <delt> that effect is cool =)
[20:17] <DomiX> ochosi, it works
[20:29] <mpx> If I want to get a list of ppa's I've added where do I have to look for?
[20:31] <SparkImvu> Hi all, i got problems with my applets indicator and notification . they both show my bluetooth and kayboard setting but i lost the network indicator
[20:32] <SparkImvu> keyboard*
[20:35] <SparkImvu> Seams like the issue is there even on the guest session :s
[21:06] <amigamagic> ok guys, I tried to install a new virtual machine with xubuntu 14.04
[21:06] <amigamagic> (64bit version)
[21:06] <amigamagic> at the first boot after the install I had ~350MB used
[21:07] <amigamagic> after I installed the vmware tools it bumped to ~380MB
[21:07] <amigamagic> after a resolution change, the memory used was ~410MB
[21:09] <Pici> okay?
[21:11] <amigamagic> so my conclusion are: xubuntu 14.04 64bit it's not incredible light (it's not much different from a gnome classic or fallback session, in terms of memory used), but the vmware tools eat much ram
[21:12] <Artemis3> try mate and see for yourself, and yet, xfce loads faster imo
[21:13] <amigamagic> It would be interesting to make a comparison with xubuntu 12.04
[21:13] <amigamagic> mate is gnome-based?
[21:13] <Artemis3> gnome2 fork
[21:14] <Pici> !ram
[21:14] <amigamagic> Pici, don't start you too...
[21:23] <someguy12345> Been looking but cant find a way to have a seperate wallpaper in a second workspace, any info?
[21:26] <amigamagic> someguy12345, I think that is a feature of the experimental XFCE 4.12
[21:26] <amigamagic> if you want you can download it and experimenting yourself
[21:27] <amigamagic> Artemis3, however when I talked about lightness, I was talking of ram used by the desktop environment and the basic services (like update manager, volume control plugin, etc.), not the "speed" or responsiveness of the UI
[21:27] <amigamagic> of course XFCE is very fast
[21:28] <Artemis3> except update-manager does not belong to xfce
[21:28] <amigamagic> yes, but I'm talking about xubuntu that ships with an update manager borrowed from ubuntu
[21:29] <amigamagic> and with many other plugins from ubuntu, Unity and gnome
[21:30] <amigamagic> The 'raw' xfce environment is very raw... It doesn't have even a tool to manage users/groups.
[21:31] <Artemis3> and it takes less memory
[21:31] <amigamagic> of course... If you install XFCE in debian, it will be super-light
[21:31] <Artemis3> which is what you see in Debian
[21:31] <amigamagic> but in debian I installed many things from gnome, to make it on par with an xubuntu distro
[21:31] <Artemis3> or ubuntu-minimal + xfce (not xubuntu-desktop)
[21:32] <amigamagic> I don't know ubuntu-minimal... It's like a debian installation?
[21:32] <Artemis3> yes
[21:33] <Artemis3> netinstall actually
[21:33] <amigamagic> nice
[21:33] <amigamagic> and you can choose the default desktop environment?
[21:33] <Unit193> Yes.
[21:33] <Artemis3> remember to pass priority=low so it asks everything (like expert mode)
[21:33] <Artemis3> 20m iso download
[21:34] <amigamagic> nice, I should try that... Debian netinstall is ~220MB
[21:34] <Artemis3> debian is also 20m you are downloading the wrong iso :P
[21:35] <amigamagic> debian-7.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso
[21:35] <amigamagic> 227.328KB
[21:35] <Artemis3> see where it says network boot?
[21:36] <Artemis3> pick architecture and it takes you to some ftp
[21:36] <Artemis3> get inside netboot and download mini.iso thats the oen
[21:37] <Artemis3> equivalent to ubuntu-minimal
[21:37] <amigamagic> ah, then it's the version that install ALL from the network :)
[21:37] <Artemis3> yes
[21:38] <Artemis3> set up a machine in your lan with apt-cacher-ng and see the magic unfold (use it as "proxy")
[21:39] <Artemis3> and while you are at it set up said machine for pxe installs, no more usb annoyances
[21:40] <amigamagic> you are talking about debian netboot or ubuntu-mini ?
[21:40] <Artemis3> both
[21:40] <Artemis3> its the same
[21:40] <amigamagic> I should try that...
[21:40] <Artemis3> and the cacher caches all .debs
[21:41] <Artemis3> when you get better, you can set up a preseed as well and the installs are automated
[21:41] <Artemis3> ready for you mass deployments
[21:56] <NRDisciple> does anyone know how to disable the password prompt after waking the computer?
[21:58] <NRDisciple> nvm found something, but no prompt after entering in the terminal commands
[21:58] <NRDisciple> hope it works :)\
[22:00] <Unit193> NRDisciple: Check the settings manager for light locker settings?
[22:01] <NRDisciple> the power manager setting didn't stick
[22:01] <NRDisciple> but i'll check that out
[22:01] <NRDisciple> i found some terminal commands for xubuntu
[22:03] <NRDisciple> and i found the setting under light locker, thanks!
[22:11] <amigamagic> in the software selection of ubuntu-mini, to select xfce I should select xubuntu desktop or manual package selection?
[22:12] <Artemis3> depends what you want
[22:12] <amigamagic> I would want to try a default raw xfce
[22:12] <Artemis3> you can leave that out and install later, but iirc there is also an xfce option there
[22:13] <amigamagic> in the initial package selectior it doesn't
[22:13] <Artemis3> don't install desktop then
[22:13] <amigamagic> but there is a "manual package selection". I think I should select that and after that maybe XFCE
[23:02] <amigamagic> after booting ubuntu minimal with xfce bare bones, used ram: ~120MB
[23:07] <Poisoned_Dragon> cool
[23:08] <amigamagic> but I don't see many icons, like that for the terminal
[23:08] <amigamagic> maybe I should install some theme