[05:30] <darkxst> bigon, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/gdm_3.10.0.1-0ubuntu3_3.10.0.1-0ubuntu4.diff.gz
[05:31] <darkxst> you guys probably want those changes ;)
[05:36] <darkxst> ahoneybun, hi, finally back from my lack of internet, sorry I forget where you where at, build failures on something?
[07:06] <bigon> darkxst: thx :)
[07:07] <bigon> they are already in our svn I think, the systemd support for DM was been cooked by pitti and joss during our sprint last weekend
[08:19] <darkxst> bigon, right, I just stole pitti's work anyway ;) '
[08:32] <bigon> :)
[10:50] <mgedmin> upgraded to 3.12 from gnome3-staging; things seem fine
[10:50] <mgedmin> upgrade was a bit painful: gnome-settings-daemon-schemas 3.12 conflicts with unity-settings-daemon (which wants g-s-d-s << 3.10)
[10:51] <mgedmin> apt-get couldn't find reasonable solutions (either held a lot back or wanted to remove the ubuntu-gnome-desktop metapackage); aptitude dist-upgrade found one (remove unity metapackage as well as unity-settings-daemon and unity-control-center)
[10:53] <mgedmin> tracker-extract keeps segfaulting (bug 1304129); it's hard to debug without debug symbols
[10:53] <darkxst> mgedmin, install the symbols then!
[10:53] <mgedmin> where can I find them?
[10:55] <mgedmin> this is tracker-extract 1.0.0-1ubuntu1~trusty1 from the ppa; so far I only found the -dbgsym packages for 0.16.2-1ubuntu4 from trusty/universe
[11:01] <ricotz> mgedmin, additionally add "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/gnome3-team/gnome3-staging/ubuntu trusty main/debug"
[11:01] <mgedmin> ooh, main/debug?  does this exist for all PPAs?
[11:02] <ricotz> no, just for those which support it
[11:02] <mgedmin> is this documented somewhere?  my google failed
[11:02] <ricotz> not sure, but i dont think
[11:07] <darkxst> mgedmin, probably not documented but all gnome3-team ppa's support ddebs
[11:07] <darkxst> apport-retrace picks them up automatically, but otherwise as ricotz said you need to add main/debug
[11:08] <darkxst> mgedmin, we also have a retracer running (probably the only ppa with one) so if you submit crashes, they will get retraced ;)
[11:09] <mgedmin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1304129 did not get retraced
[11:10] <darkxst> mgedmin, yes it did, but coredump was invalid
[11:10] <mgedmin> maybe I should've allowed apport to submit a new bug instead of deciding it was a duplicate
[11:10] <mgedmin> "package libtracker-miner-1.0-0 does not exist, ignoring" seems to indicate that the retracer bot did not have the ppa enabled?
[11:11] <mgedmin> well, it was before the release...
[11:11] <mgedmin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1309073 might've been after
[11:12] <darkxst> mgedmin, occasionally retracer fumbles and things get blocked.... these things bit-rot fast ;(
[11:12] <mgedmin> anyway I've seen the segfault twice now in two days; with debug symbols available locally hopefully I'll get a full stacktrace tomorrow
[11:13] <darkxst> mgedmin, ok CC me on bug report once you can provide that
[11:14] <darkxst> mgedmin, also provided you don't need interactive debugging, apport-retrace works really well to analyse crash dumps ;)
[11:14] <mgedmin> hey, good idea
[11:15] <mgedmin> I still have the /var/crash/... file
[11:15] <darkxst> mgedmin, aka, click' examine locally' in the
[11:15] <darkxst>  apport pop-up
[11:15] <darkxst> (only shows if apport-retrace is installed though)
[11:16] <mgedmin> hm, but it already contains the (incomplete) stack trace
[11:16] <mgedmin> I see I don't have apport-retrace installed
[11:16] <darkxst> mgedmin, that was either bit-rot, or an invalid core-dump
[11:16] <darkxst> probably the first
[11:18] <darkxst> ricotz, so packaging branches? git or bzr?
[11:19] <darkxst> my preference would be for git, I still don't like bzr much!
[11:20] <mgedmin> stack trace produced by apport-retrace from the crash dump: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7358761/
[11:20] <ricotz> is there really a choice here?
[11:21] <ricotz> https://code.launchpad.net/~gnome3-team
[11:21] <darkxst> ricotz, also gdm in -staging will now boot off systemd ;)
[11:21] <ricotz> oh :)
[11:22] <ricotz> wasnt brave enough yet to switch
[11:22] <darkxst> ricotz, bzr merges are a huge pain when the branches are not aligned ;)
[11:23] <ricotz> hmm, so i guess you would prefer a github repo?
[11:24]  * mgedmin tries to figure out if pull-lp-source can fetch source packages from PPAs
[11:24] <darkxst> mgedmin, I don't think so
[11:24] <darkxst> use chdist
[11:25] <darkxst> ricotz, github would work
[11:33] <darkxst> mgedmin, please add that trace to a bug report, I am off for the night
[11:34] <mgedmin> darkxst, is it enough to link to the pastebin, or do you want an attachment?
[11:34] <darkxst> mgedmin, attach it, pastebin's tend to expire sometimes
[11:35] <darkxst> mgedmin, also `t a a bt full` can be nice if you can reproduce it ;)
[11:35] <mgedmin> oops, I forgot the 'full'
[11:36] <mgedmin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1304129/comments/7 seems pretty clear
[11:36] <mgedmin> now I'd like to find the upstream bug tracker
[11:38] <darkxst> b.g.i
[11:38] <darkxst> b.g.o
[11:38] <mgedmin> thanks
[11:38] <darkxst> but might already be fixed in tracker 1.0...
[11:39] <mgedmin> yup, it is fixed: https://github.com/GNOME/tracker/blob/master/src/libtracker-miner/tracker-decorator.c#L331
[11:40] <mgedmin> in https://github.com/GNOME/tracker/commit/a1efdb7691542c4a871b3bd4d0aefe6aa34012f8
[11:40] <mgedmin> 7 days ago
[11:41] <darkxst> mgedmin, ok link upstream bug to lp report
[11:41]  * darkxst has to run now
[11:41] <mgedmin> there was no upstream release with this fix
[11:42] <darkxst> mgedmin, and/or feel free to send through a debdiff with the patch added
[11:42] <mgedmin> ;)
[11:43] <ricotz> darkxst, ok, i would prefer one branch per cycle containing all packagings
[11:43] <ricotz> mgedmin, better get upstream to do a release ;)
[11:45] <darkxst> ricotz, right, I guess if we have trusty, utopic etc branches, can just cherry-pick relevent bits as needed
[11:46] <ricotz> mgedmin, ah, this wasnt even cherry picked to 1.0 yet
[11:46] <darkxst> ricotz, or maybe it really needs to be trusty-3.10, 3.12 etc ? gah anyway need to sleep
[11:46] <ricotz> darkxst, right, better gnome-3.10-trusty, gnome-3.12-trusty and so on ;)
[11:47] <ricotz> darkxst, ciao
[11:47] <darkxst> ricotz, night
[11:55] <ricotz> mgedmin, pushed tracker including that patch
[11:55] <mgedmin> \o/
[13:13] <majod> anyone running with efi partition?
[13:13] <majod> i have seriously long booting times and i think its because of that
[13:16] <majod> i have ultrafast boot enabled in bios. while i had win8.1, i saw post screen, then windows logo for 2 seconds and after that could enter my password...but now, i see post screen, then theres blank grey screen with dark grey border for about 5 seconds and PC is doing nothing...then it disappears to black screen and finally i see ssd working for another 5 seconds...only then i see login screen
[13:16] <majod> i wonder whats going on during the first grey image
[15:43] <weierophinney> is it possible to do a dist-upgrade from vanilla ubuntu to ubuntu gnome?
[15:55] <xnox> weierophinney: install ubuntu-gnome, remove ubuntu-desktop, keep the difference.
[15:55] <xnox> weierophinney: some minor things might get stuck weird e.g. some gsettings et.al.
[15:56] <eurythmia> install ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[15:58] <xnox> ah, yeah weierophinney ^
[15:59] <weierophinney> eurythmia: that's it? Really?
[15:59] <weierophinney> I assume I also need to do the PPA purge, correct?
[16:00] <eurythmia> weierophinney: that installs gnome, gdm, and all the standard stuff in the ubuntu gnome dist. You *can* remove ubuntu-desktop if you'd like, but it's not necessary.
[16:00] <weierophinney> cool -- looks like I can do that _now_, and then upgrade to 14.04 when done with that.
[16:00] <eurythmia> weierophinney: xnox's warning about some minor weirdness hanging around still stands though.
[16:01] <weierophinney> eurythmia: I figured. I've had minor wierdness since switching to gnome-shell a couple years ago anyways.
[16:01] <eurythmia> weierophinney: no need to do PPA purge ... ubuntu and ubuntu gnome *are* the same distro with different user interfaces.
[16:01] <weierophinney> I'm just hoping this will be _less_ wierdness. :)
[16:01] <holstein> weierophinney: could be due to ppa use.. try the default ubuntu packages
[16:01] <weierophinney> ah, okay.
[16:02] <weierophinney> rigt -- that's what I was getting at. I have the gnome3- ppa currently. I should purge that one?
[16:02] <holstein> weierophinney: you should keep in mind, if you have issues with it, you get support from the ppa maintainers.. otherwise, i would just try both
[16:03] <weierophinney> okay
[16:03] <weierophinney> excellent -- wasn't aware of the ubuntu-gnome-desktop metapackage. That will be nice to try out.
[16:03] <weierophinney> Thanks, all!
[16:04] <holstein> if you are saying, i have always had issue with gnome, and always used the ppa, try the default repo packages.. at least you can get support from the larger ubuntu community
[16:05] <weierophinney> holstein: agreed, thx
[17:02] <SonikkuAmerica> darkxst: Good job cutting it down to 2 PPAs. Couldn't have done it better imho
[17:47] <majod> anyone can help me find out why booting my OS takes so long? :/
[17:52] <x-Na> Wild guess, one of your usb devices
[17:54] <x-Na> I had that problem, powered down my HP 1018 LaserJet and booted normally
[17:55] <x-Na> Then I noticed that hplip was again installed, which causes problems
[17:55] <majod> my only usb devices are keyboard and mouse...
[17:56] <majod> when i turn on my pc, after post screen it shows grey screen for about 5 seconds and do nothing...
[17:56] <majod> only after that i see my ssd working
[18:00] <x-Na> Ok, I did find a thread somewhere about the issue, do not know if there are bugs reported
[18:02] <[Ch4m3l30n]> majod: you might want to make a Boot Chart to see what's going on... http://www.bootchart.org/
[18:29] <majod> [Ch4m3l30n]: thanks, will try!