[01:39] <lotuspsychje> morning to all
[01:39] <lotuspsychje> where can i follow updates on channel=trusty ?
[01:49] <dobey> lotuspsychje: i don't think there will be any further updates on the "trusty" channel
[01:49] <lotuspsychje> dobey: would you reccomend, reinstall the whole system to channel=dev then?
[01:50] <lotuspsychje> dobey: right now, when i click updates on trusty touch, it installs apps updates
[01:51] <dobey> right, you will only get updates for the click apps, on trusty
[01:51] <lotuspsychje> ahh
[01:51] <dobey> if you want system image updates, you'll need devel or devel-proposed
[01:52] <lotuspsychje> dobey: so i need the devel until the new touch will release?
[01:53] <lotuspsychje> whats the difference bewteen devel and devel-proposed?
[01:53] <dobey> devel only has promoted images that have been approved by the qa team. devel-proposed is where all the image builds go first, and may occasionally break more often
[01:54] <lotuspsychje> ill go for devel then
[01:55] <lotuspsychje> but eventualy the trusty channel will get the final updates too right?
[01:55] <dobey> no
[01:55] <lotuspsychje> but will only show after its final
[01:55] <dobey> trusty is already released
[01:55] <dobey> trusty has already gotten its final update
[01:56] <lotuspsychje> this is little confusing
[01:56] <lotuspsychje> whats the end goal?
[01:56] <dobey> end goal for what?
[01:56] <lotuspsychje> for ubuntu touch
[01:56] <lotuspsychje> to release a final ubuntu touch trusty no?
[01:56] <dobey> to be used
[01:56] <dobey> no
[01:56] <dobey> trusty was merely a single stepping stone
[01:57] <lotuspsychje> ah got it
[01:57] <dobey> later in the year, Bq and Meizu will release OEM phones that come with Ubuntu pre-installed
[01:57] <lotuspsychje> dobey: and that image will be called...
[01:58] <lotuspsychje> dobey: or just custom ubuntu touch for those companies
[01:58] <dobey> it won't be "called" anything. they will ship custom images almost certainly, because they'll likely want to ship some of their own apps by default
[01:58] <lotuspsychje> right got it
[01:58] <dobey> it will be Ubuntu
[01:58] <dobey> just like Ubuntu for the last 10 years, the release names are just names of releases that were developed
[01:59] <lotuspsychje> well as i bought me a n7 just for touch purpose, ill go to channel=devel again
[01:59] <lotuspsychje> tnx for the hint
[01:59] <lotuspsychje> then ill notice further changes right?
[01:59] <dobey> Ubuntu for phones is still beta though, so it doesn't get the same support that Ubuntu Desktop/Server do
[01:59] <lotuspsychje> i see
[02:00] <dobey> yes, devel will start seeing image updates soon
[02:00] <lotuspsychje> cool
[02:00] <lotuspsychje> is there also an url where i can follow changes?
[02:00] <dobey> i don't know
[02:00] <lotuspsychje> kk
[02:01] <lotuspsychje> ill look into terminal/logs/system settings after i installed dev again
[02:15] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-device-flash --channel=devel --bootstrap
[02:15] <lotuspsychje> running :p
[02:25] <lotuspsychje> dobey: devel installed correctly tnx again
[02:26] <dobey> sure
[06:20] <dholbach> good morning
[07:12] <Jeroen_> Hello
[07:12] <bact> hello
[07:13] <Jeroen_> Just asking, does ubuntu works well on a HTC one X?
[07:16] <bact> is it listed on the devices page?
[07:16] <Jeroen_> Yea i see a list here
[07:16] <Jeroen_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/endeavoru
[07:17] <Jeroen_> But dont look that well, but dont know anything about it to be honest :P
[09:15] <ArmyJW> Does anyone have Skype working properly on Ubuntu Touch?
[09:33] <utack> Hi. Does Ubuntu Touch work with the Nexus 4 Modem 0.98 and Bootloader 30?
[09:34] <ogra_> heh
[09:34]  * ogra_ never checked the actual versions of either of these
[09:34] <utack> it is the kitkat default bootloader/modem
[09:34] <utack> that came with the android 4.4 update/factory image
[09:34] <ogra_> well, since we use 4.4.2 i wuld expect that to work then
[09:34] <ogra_> *would
[09:34] <utack> allright thanks
[09:35] <ogra_> (we switched to AOSP mid last cycle)
[09:35] <utack> sounds good
[09:59] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:45] <asac> question of the day: whats up with media hub :)?
[10:45] <asac> ogra_: ?
[10:45] <ogra_> asac, should land today afaik
[10:45] <ogra_> iirc the silo was re-allocated and things needed rebuilds yesterday
[10:46] <asac> ogra_: not tomorrow ?
[10:46] <asac> :)
[10:46] <asac> ogra_: is everything rebuilt?
[10:46] <asac> ogra_: who is testing?
[10:46] <ogra_> or tomorrow ... :)
[10:46] <ogra_> no idea, let me check the silo
[10:46] <asac> please do
[10:46] <asac> we must not forget this activity
[10:47] <asac> if its built lets get everyone on testing it and then land i guess
[10:47] <ogra_> ah, seems some FTBFS there
[10:48] <ogra_> asac, its jhodapps highest prio ... i doubt he could forget about it
[10:48] <ogra_> :)
[10:51] <ogra_> seems teher are unittests failing in qtubuntu-media ... i'll poke him about it once he shows up
[10:51] <asac> mandel: do you kjnow where we are wrt "Browser download file support in dm"?
[10:51] <asac> *sigh*
[10:51] <asac> ogra_: ok
[10:52] <asac> so tomorrow and then tomorrow :/
[10:52] <mandel> asac, yes, we are at me trying to land all the pieces today so that Elleo updates his branches and we have t in the image asap
[10:52] <mandel> asac, I wans to get a +1 from alecu about the click scope, land the first batch of udm changes, then land Elleos changes and later ping the sdk to add the udm qml pluing in the meta package
[10:53] <mandel> asac, my goal is to get everything today or tom
[10:53] <asac> mandel: ok thanks. is there a landing entry/silo already?
[10:53] <mandel> asac, yes, I'm managing silo 11 with the udm + click-scope changes (ABI changes) I'll request one more with elleos changes as soon as we land silo 11
[10:55] <mandel> bzoltan, we want to add the udm qml to the sdk, what is the process for that?
[10:55] <ogra_> asac, why the hurry ? every landing has someone assigned, nothing will be lost
[10:55] <mandel> bzoltan, do I have to add the udm qml as a dependency?
[10:55] <ogra_> (or forgotten)
[10:57] <asac> ogra_: well, mediahub has like 3 month late :)
[10:58] <ogra_> indeed, as is mms support and stuff ... but that doesnt mean it sits idle
[10:58] <asac> ogra_: we have substantial work blocked on that, so :)
[10:58] <asac> ogra_: non-idle != progress :)
[10:58] <ogra_> sure
[10:58] <ogra_> but also != stuck :)
[11:00] <ogra_> all big features have someone working with highest prio on it ... if there are issues we need to sort them first though ... and media-hub specifically has shown many unexpected issues on the go
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> great work on the new file manager guys! looking good
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> is there an url i can follow channel=devel update changes?
[11:03] <ogra_> asac, i would be more worried about the features where we *dont* seem to have someone working on yet to have them landing before june ... like battery warning ... or a shutdown dialog etc etc
[11:04] <ogra_> lotuspsychje, not devel, but devel-proposed (or rather utopic-proposed) http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: tnx!
[11:04] <ogra_> for trusty changelogs there is a subdir ...
[11:05] <asac> ogra_: battery warning? who would own that?
[11:05] <ogra_> asac, not sure if thats an indicator or a shell thing ... probably power-indicator for the trigger (since it knows the charge state) and shell for the dialog
[11:07]  * ogra_ sees rickspencer3 managed to get phishtracks in the store and tries if you can play songs in germany 
[11:07] <rickspencer3> hey ogra_
[11:07] <rickspencer3> I will be *shocked* if it doesn't work there
[11:07] <rickspencer3> that music is licensed in a pretty kind way
[11:08] <ogra_> plays fine :)
[11:08] <rickspencer3> nice!
[11:11] <fattest> when will ubuntu touch be stable for samsung galaxy s2 (i9100) ?
[11:12] <ogra_> fattest, you should ask the porter
[11:12] <ogra_> !devices
[11:12]  * ogra_ tickles the bot 
[11:23] <bact> I would have thought the sII would be too old
[11:37] <ogra_> bact, not to old, but the port went idle after a while so what you can get for it is horridly outdated (far from what ubuntu touch is today)
[11:38] <bact> but the galaxy nexus port is discontinued right?
[11:39] <ogra_> well, you could keep it alive if you wanted :)
[11:39] <bact> are they not similarly spec'd devices?
[11:39] <ogra_> they are
[11:39] <ogra_> and neither is officially supported
[11:39] <ogra_> but that doesnt mean you couldnt maintain a community port for it ... as long as you get kitkat sources for it somewhere at least
[11:40] <bact> it seems weird to me that ubuntu has to rely on the android sources
[11:44] <ogra_> bact, how else would use the drivers ?
[11:45] <bact> ogra_: via the kernel?
[11:45] <ogra_> to use the modem or the sensors you need binary drivers that are only linked against androids bionic ... not against libc
[11:45] <bact> :/
[11:46] <ogra_> the kernel has as much driver stuff for the modem, gps or sensors (or the graphics) as the kernel on x86 has pieces for the nvidia binary driver in it ...
[11:46] <ogra_> and there are no open alternatives
[11:46] <bact> shame
[11:47] <ogra_> so what we do is to have a minimal android that only contains the hardware abstraction layer (drivers and the few daemons these drivers need)
[11:48] <ogra_> and we have libhybris ... that translates all libc calls into bionic calls
[11:49] <ogra_> that was we can run the minimal android in an lxc  container to drive the binary drivers ... but still keep a "normal" ubuntu that just talks to the lxc container when it needs to access the drivers
[11:49] <ogra_> s/was/way/
[11:52] <ogra_> if ubuntu would be as mbig as android on the phone we would have enough market share to put some pressure on HW manufacturers to actually open the drivers (or at least parts of it) and wouldnt need android ...
[11:52] <ogra_> but today we arent that big :)
[11:52] <ogra_> btw, firefoxOS and jolla do the same ... we all rely on these binary blobs from android
[12:52] <cwayne1> bah, emulator segfaulting
[12:53] <ogra_> must be a (virtual) hardware issue :P
[13:22] <sergiusens> cwayne1 expected on x86 unless you build yourself with the prebuilt x86 toolchain
[13:22] <cwayne> sergiusens, nah it was armhf
[13:30] <cwayne1> kenvandine: i don't suppose there's golang bindings for content-hub in the works?
[13:31] <kenvandine> cwayne1, nothing yet, i suppose we need them
[13:38] <popey> hey
[13:39] <voltagex> hi
[13:39] <voltagex> I'm trying to build http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/phablet-tools
[13:40] <popey> voltagex: so https://launchpad.net/phablet-tools is the upstream for phablet-tools
[13:40] <popey> sergiusens is the owner of that lot I believe.
[13:40] <voltagex> yep, I'm using dpkg-buildpackage against it
[13:41] <sergiusens> what's up?
[13:42] <voltagex> just a Debian user trying to build phablet-tools
[13:42] <sergiusens> ogra_: is utopic broken?
[13:43] <sergiusens> ogra_: just did a bootstrap flash and I died
[13:44] <ogra_> sergiusens, died ? how ?
[13:45] <sergiusens> ogra_: can't mount userdata and after flashing I wasn't rebooted into ubuntu, but to recovery
[13:45] <sergiusens> trying again now
[13:45] <ogra_> sergiusens, dogfooding didnt reveal any issues with either #1 or #2
[13:45] <voltagex> I'm having issues building the click tool for Debian jessie/sid.
[13:46] <ogra_> (and i just promoted #2 to the utopic channel ... waiting for stgraber to show up to switch the deve/devel-proposed aliases)
[13:46] <sergiusens> voltagex: the click tool isn't part of phablet-tools fwiw; you want lp:click
[13:46] <voltagex> sergiusens: yeah, it gives me *very* odd dependency problems on Debian
[13:47] <voltagex> favourite pastebin?
[13:47] <sergiusens> voltagex: maybe cjwatson can help you there ;)
[13:48] <ogra_> voltagex, paste.ubuntu.com (indeed :) )
[13:50] <voltagex> erm, is there a way to cat to that one?
[13:50] <ogra_> apt-get install pastebinit
[13:50] <ogra_> you can pipe to it or call it with a file as argument
[13:50] <ogra_> (not sure it defaults to paste.ubuntu.com on debian though)
[13:51] <voltagex> http://pastebin.com/L9SCf8uv
[13:51] <sergiusens> a reflash did the trick
[13:52] <sergiusens> ogra_: ^
[13:52] <ogra_> wow, thats quite some deps missing
[13:52] <ogra_> sergiusens, great
[13:52] <sergiusens> I might consider formatting everything from now on though
[13:53] <sergiusens> ogra_: voltagex I am confused; are you building lp:click or lp:phablet-tools?
[13:54] <voltagex> sorry, lp:click
[13:55] <voltagex> from a bzr checkout - it's not in the Debian archives at all
[13:57] <sergiusens> voltagex: yeah, it's just that in your pastebin there''s a mention of phablet-tools
[13:57] <voltagex> crap, I think I've munged two
[13:57] <voltagex> ah yeah, that's after dpkg -i phablet*deb
[13:57] <sergiusens> voltagex: if you aren't in a schroot, can you apt-get install -f to get rid of the uninstallables
[13:57] <sergiusens> ?
[13:58] <voltagex> sergiusens: yep, that removes phablet-tools ;)
[14:00] <sergiusens> voltagex: I have a debian schroot; will give lp:click a go
[14:00] <voltagex> sergiusens: jessie/sid both give the same result. I would try it in a schroot but I find getting non-archive dependencies in there very hard
[14:10] <sergiusens> voltagex: lp:click built fine in a clean sid for me; apt-get install devscripts && mk-build-deps -i && debuild ... well it fails on tests; but I'll leave that to you ;-)
[14:11] <voltagex> hmm
[14:11] <voltagex> thanks
[14:11] <cjwatson> I recommend sbuild
[14:11] <voltagex> I've been fighting with sbuild for days
[14:11] <cjwatson> Perhaps https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild will help
[14:11] <cjwatson> There are no extra-archive dependencies needed here
[14:12] <sergiusens> cjwatson: yeah, it mostly worked fine for me in a sid schroot ; but sbuild is the way to go
[14:13] <voltagex> :( I must have turned off IRC logging.
[14:13] <voltagex> but I'm waiting for https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=714883
[14:13] <cjwatson> click builds cleanly for me in an unstable/i386 sbuild instance, including all tests passing
[14:14] <voltagex> okay, will try after some sleep
[14:14] <voltagex> thanks
[14:20] <cwayne1> mardy: dbarth: the ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts trunk isn't the same as what's in the image... should there be a landing scheduled?
[14:21] <mardy> cwayne1: weird, let me check
[14:23] <mardy> cwayne1: as far as I can see, it's in sync
[14:23] <mardy> cwayne1: with trusty, at least
[14:27] <dbarth> cwayne1: there was a hiccup 2 months ago, but i thought it was back in sycn; which diffrence do you see?
[14:29] <cwayne1> dbarth: looking at trunk, i'd expect the click hooks to be installed (whether or not they're setup/working is a different story)
[14:29] <cwayne1> unless they're just in the source but not setup to be installed to /usr/share/click/hooks?
[14:41] <chandra> Hello - anybody able to uninstall Samba4 on Ubuntu13.10 ? I tried to install Libreoffice Writer after I Samba4 uninstall and hit a Samba4 exception.
[14:42] <dobey> chandra: you need to ask in #ubuntu for support
[14:43] <chandra> how do i do that - first time Ubuntu user and in this chat room
[14:43] <ogra_> chandra, /join #ubuntu ...
[14:44] <ogra_> this is the chat room for the phone (and we dont have samba on there :) )
[14:49] <chandra> thanks ogra - I'm on ubuntu support, sent in  2 q's, no response yet. Lot of people quitting on that channel - thanks anyway. Let's see if Ubuntu support supports.
[14:50] <chandra> Giving up in about 5 minutes. All I see is people joining and quitting so I'm going to play it safe and not upgrade. Samba's been an install problem since 2005! Not good.
[14:51] <ogra_> cyphermox, hmm, i was just out at the grocery store ... seems NM itself switched fine from WLAN to 2G and back... but the indicator seems to be stuck on 2G
[14:51] <dbarth> cwayne1: the click hooks should be there
[14:51] <dbarth> cwayne1: but the rest of the branch may be stuck with the webapps+oa changeset
[14:51] <dbarth> cwayne1: which was pulled out for the time being
[14:52] <dbarth> cwayne1: you need mardy on that detail level though
[14:52] <chandra> Switching off. Thanks.Ubuntu's not supporting.
[14:52] <ogra_> cyphermox, if i expand i see my wlan checked and the general wlan checkbox too ... in the terminal i also see my route goes to the wlan and i can surf ...
[14:52] <ogra_> chandra, seriously ... this is IRc
[14:52] <ogra_> you have to be a bit patient
[14:52] <ogra_> ah ... to late
[14:53] <mardy> dbarth: ah, yes, the revert was not correct, so those files have remained in trunk :-/
[14:58] <cwayne1> dbarth: should be there as in should be in the image?
[14:59] <dbarth> cwayne1: so that's the issue; there's been a revert and trunk is not in sync until webapp+oa lands :/
[15:00] <dbarth> mardy: i think you should enforce that revert on trunk, and that will make the webapps+oa branches relevant again
[15:02] <mardy> dbarth: no please, can't we leave those files there? They are harmless, AFAIK
[15:02] <mardy> dbarth: I'd really avoid trying more rebases and risk messing up things again
[15:03] <ogra_> cyphermox, heh, now the indicator just switched to 3G ... yet the defaulkt route points to wlan
[15:24] <dpm> rickspencer3, you might want to ask mandel for docs on download manager
[15:24] <rickspencer3> hi dpm
[15:24] <mandel> tell me :)
[15:24] <dpm> hey :)
[15:24] <rickspencer3> mandel, I asked in #ubuntu-app-devel ... where do I find docs on Download manager?
[15:25] <mandel> rickspencer3, I have a branch that generate the cpp and the qml docs, I have talked with mhall119 about this, we are in th ci train to land some changes for it required for mms and the browser and will then will land the docs branch
[15:26] <mandel> s/th/the
[15:26] <rickspencer3> mandel, can I use it today?
[15:26] <rickspencer3> the reason I ask is because I have a project where the server doesn't return the xml as a web page, but rather initiates a file download
[15:26] <rickspencer3> I assume that the download manager can help me with this :)
[15:27] <rickspencer3> mandel, if it's not ready yet, I can just wait until it's out
[15:29] <mandel> rickspencer3, you can use it, yet you app will not be able to find it in the img because is not part of the sdk just yet (I've talked with bzoltan about that)
[15:29] <mandel> rickspencer3, and yes, the download manager will do that for you with no problems
[15:29] <rickspencer3> mandel, ok
[15:30] <mandel> rickspencer3, and is super easy to use, if you wait until it is added to the sdk it will be easier for you
[15:30] <rickspencer3> mandel, I knwo that mzanetti figured out how to supply the functionality I want for one of his apps
[15:30] <rickspencer3> so I'm sure I won't be blocked
[15:30] <rickspencer3> mandel, yeah, I'll wait
[15:30] <rickspencer3> thanks for the info
[15:30] <mandel> rickspencer3, no worries, I'll join the app-devel channel, sorry I missed that one
[15:30] <ogra_> whee !
[15:30]  * ogra_ sees a pathwind update in the store 
[15:30] <rickspencer3> mandel, no worries at all
[15:31] <ogra_> kenvandine, :)
[15:31] <kenvandine> ogra_, ?
[15:31] <mandel> rickspencer3, let me get you the uds talk about the api so that you can get an easy idea of what you will get
[15:31]  * mandel looks 
[15:32] <rickspencer3> thanks mandel
[15:32] <ogra_> kenvandine, i had installed your test click package ... just got a store update for it
[15:32] <mandel> kenvandine, update in the game
[15:32]  * rickspencer3 pictures everyone playing pathwind
[15:32] <rickspencer3> "for work"
[15:33] <mandel> rickspencer3, here you go => http://summit.ubuntu.com/appdevweek-1403/meeting/22128/add-download-capabilities-to-your-apps/
[15:33] <mhall119> bzoltan: pmcgowan: what's the status of the ubuntu-sdk-14.04-dev1 to ubuntu-sdk-14.04 framework version transition? All I see is the -dev1 frameworks in the Ubuntu SDK
[15:33] <rickspencer3> cool
[15:34] <mandel> rickspencer3, diego does a very good explanation of how to use the api and from my point of view is super easy
[15:34] <rickspencer3> mandel, thanks, I'm looking forward
[15:34] <kenvandine> ogra_, like it?
[15:34] <bzoltan> mhall119: for us to change it is a simple fix
[15:35] <mandel> rickspencer3, will ping you when is in the img so that you have no issues with the deployment on the phone, probably will add something to the g+ group too
[15:35] <ogra_> kanyeah, i do :)
[15:35] <ogra_> kenvandine, yeah, i do
[15:35] <kenvandine> cool
[15:36] <pmcgowan> mhall119, that is on lool's list to enable
[15:36] <pmcgowan> mhall119, needs to go in the image first
[15:38] <mhall119> will we put out a new trusty image with the new framework version?
[15:41] <mhall119> bzoltan: what is qmlplugindump and why does it hate my CPU so much?
[15:54] <ogra_> popey, so wheer is the deathtrigger webapps in the store now ?
[15:54] <popey> given how my i7 laptop struggled.. I would imagine the phone would burn out playing DT2
[16:13] <ogra_> cyphermox, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7360362/
[16:13] <ogra_> :((
[16:13] <ogra_> thats what i get after upgrading to utopic on my phone
[16:13] <ogra_> cyphermox, davmor2 thinks it is related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dnsmasq/+bug/1313393
[16:14] <davmor2> ogra_: no Mirv thinks that I think it is just the dns wasn't there
[16:15] <ogra_> ah
[16:15] <ogra_> well, disabling wlan and re-enabling fixed it
[16:15] <Mirv> I have that bug on desktop, I just mean that the fact that there is new upstream version of dnsmasq in utopic may cause other problems in addition to that desktop one
[16:15] <ogra_> but its the same "two default routes" issue i had before
[16:23] <cyphermox> ogra_: ack
[16:24] <cyphermox> I don't know what causes this. NM routes should have a different metric for each type of connection which would ensure this dual default gateway thing would never happen
[16:24] <cyphermox> not that it's technically incorrect that it happens ;)
[16:25] <cyphermox> I'm going to look at the logs some more, maybe something will pop out
[16:25] <ogra_> yeah, sorry, i have already dis/enabled wlan and it works again
[16:26] <ogra_> next time i'll keep it in the brokenb state so we can capture stuff
[16:30] <davmor2> cyphermox: I've hit it going from wifi to 3g and 3g has had no dns, then when I come back to wifi there is no dns.  I'm assuming it is something on the device as disconnecting 3g and wifi and reconnecting everyhting just magically works again but I've only hit that once so far so I'm looking for ways to reproduce it reliably currently
[16:30] <davmor2> cyphermox: of course I think we just blame awe_ and wonder off ;)
[16:31] <awe_> davmor2, bug #?
[16:33] <davmor2> awe_: there isn't one yet I hit it at the weekend and it's been fine since if I find a way to reproduce I will bug it immidiately
[16:37] <Sivik> hey, whats the default password for ubuntu touch 14.04 beta?  ubuntu doesn't seem to be working
[16:38] <ogra_> phablet
[17:02] <davmor2> cyphermox, awe_: happy coincidence my browser looks like it might be about to time out.  What do you need off the device?
[17:03] <awe_> I would say, /var/log/syslog, and then the output from 'netstat -rn', '/usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-modems' and 'list-contexts' ( same dir )
[17:04] <awe_> cyphermox may have other requests
[17:05] <davmor2> awe_: this is on wifi I've not done any flipping with this but I'm imagining that it won't be connecting on 3g either but if I knock the wifi off it might change the state
[17:06] <awe_> davmor2, ok.  I thought this was a 3g issue...  for deeper Wi-Fi debugging, I'll defer to cyphermox
[17:11] <davmor2> cyphermox: anything you want?
[17:12] <cyphermox> lunch
[17:12] <cyphermox> :)
[17:12] <cyphermox> file a bug, add the output of ip route and /var/log/syslog
[17:22] <davmor2> cyphermox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1314299
[17:26] <Sivik> thanks ogra_
[17:26] <Sivik> Anyone know of a ereader program for touch?
[17:26] <ogra_> there is beru
[17:26] <ogra_> but it can only read open epub ...
[17:27] <Sivik> thats fine.
[17:27] <Sivik> Thats the format I always try and find anyways
[17:27] <ogra_> (no drm content, no pdf)
[17:33] <Sivik> what is going to happen to ubuntu touch when ubuntu one goes away?
[17:36] <ogra_> Sivik, only the file sharing service will go away
[17:37] <Sivik> oh ok, not the program install thingy is going away
[17:37] <ogra_> right, authentication stays ... and the db backend as well
[17:37] <ogra_> you can store app config data in it still
[17:37] <Sivik> Alright.
[17:37] <Sivik> Cause I juse installed beru though it but got the warning message about it going away
[17:38] <ogra_> thats weird
[17:38] <ogra_> the auth service surely wont generate such a thing
[17:39] <mterry> Are there any known bugs with wifi on image 2?  (mako)
[17:39] <Sivik> I got it when I signed up for an account.
[17:39] <ogra_> mterry, there are issues with dnsmasq in general in utopic
[17:39] <ogra_> mterry, i had an issue as well, dis/enabling wifi should fix it
[17:40]  * mterry tries
[17:40] <ogra_> (it did for me at least)
[17:40] <mterry> Doesn't seem to help here
[17:41] <ogra_> :(
[17:41] <Tassadar> stgraber: hi, how does upgrade from trusty to utopic on devel-proposed channel work? I mean, the version number was reset, and from what I can see, s-i-cli checks the version numbers
[17:41] <ogra_> how does the issue manifest ?
[17:42] <stgraber> tsimpson: devel-proposed is an alias to trusty-proposed. When the alias changes, system-image-cli ignores the version number, considers it is currently at ID 0 and does a full upgrade.
[17:42] <ogra_> mterry, do you see the wlans listed in the indicator and all ?
[17:42] <Tassadar> ooh
[17:42] <Tassadar> okay, thanks
[17:42] <mterry> ogra_, well I have two makos.  On the one without a sim, it connects to wifi but doesn't dns resolve anything
[17:42] <mterry> ogra_, on the one with a sim, it looks like it connects, but the indicator never stops showing 3G
[17:42] <Sivik> is there a way to reboot ubuntu touch other than typing sudo reboot in command line?
[17:43] <mterry> Sivik, adb reboot?
[17:43] <Sivik> from the phone, not from the pc
[17:43] <ogra_> Sivik, hold the power button for 3 sec
[17:43] <ogra_> it will shut down ...
[17:44] <Sivik> Yea, I was thinking there might be another way other than a full shutdown and then restart
[17:44] <ogra_> wait til all backlight is gone andyou can boot again
[17:44] <ogra_> not yet
[17:44] <ogra_> at some point that 3sec press will pop up a dialog
[17:44] <Sivik> alright.
[17:45] <ogra_> but that dialog doesnt exist yet
[17:45] <Sivik> Thats all I needed to know.
[17:45] <ogra_> same goes for "low battery warning" btw
[17:45] <ogra_> so watch the battery indicator :)
[17:45] <Sivik> ok, yea, my battery indicator is way off in ubuntu touch
[17:45]  * ogra_ has it often enough that his phone shuts down while reading or so 
[17:46] <ogra_> when i forgot to keep an eye on it
[17:46] <Sivik> yea, My battery indicator is way off
[17:46] <Sivik> What device do you have ogra_ ?
[17:46] <ogra_> all of them :)
[17:46] <ogra_> but i dogfood only on my mako
[17:47] <Sivik> yea, I have a nexus 5 so that might be part of it
[17:47] <ogra_> the rest are for ad-hoc testing or hacking
[17:48] <Sivik> Since the nexus 5 isn't supported, I probably shouldn't even be talking about it
[17:49] <ogra_> well, we like to get fixes and patches for it :)
[17:50] <Sivik> I'm not a coder so I wouldn't even know how to start
[17:50] <ogra_> even if it isnt officially supported
[17:50] <ogra_> you could file bugs (if there arent any) for issues you find ... and some coder could pick them up
[17:50] <Sivik> Alright.
[17:50]  * ogra_ is actually surprised nobody looked into the sound issues with N5 yet
[17:51] <Sivik> what sound issue?
[17:51] <ogra_> dunno
[17:51] <Sivik> oh
[17:51] <ogra_> i always hear people say there are sound issues
[17:51] <Sivik> I haven't played much with sound on the n5 yet
[17:52] <Sivik> should be battery life be shorter with ubuntu touch installed?
[17:52] <ogra_> shouldnt (butt probably is)
[17:52] <Sivik> alright.
[17:52] <Sivik> i will submit a bug later tonight when I get home
[17:52] <ogra_> ++
[17:56] <Tassadar> there, tasemnice is building utopic for n5 and deb right now)
[18:08] <Sivik> Tassadar: what is that?
[18:08] <Tassadar> that's my system-image server with builds for hammerhead and the LTE version of nexus 7
[18:08] <Sivik> Oh ok.
[18:15] <Sivik> oh fun, beru cuts off the top of my pages on my epubs
[18:15] <davmor2> cyphermox: did you have everything you needed in that bug?
[18:16] <popey> Sivik: https://github.com/rschroll/beru/issues
[18:16] <cyphermox> yeah looks fine
[18:19] <davmor2> cyphermox: thanks I'll disconnect it now so I can get the latest image then :)
[18:27] <Sivik> Yep, its the header bar thats blocking it
[18:29] <Sivik> awesome, easy fix in the code
[18:34] <Sivik> now to figure out how to open the file as root on my phone.
[18:36] <Sivik> what is the command to open the file manager on touch via command line so I can open it as root
[18:42] <mhall119> ogra_: do I need to ubuntu-device-flash my phone to get the utopic images on my Nexus 4?
[18:43] <ogra_> no
[18:43] <ogra_> if you are on devel or devel-proposed you should just get an update offered
[18:43] <ogra_> if you are on any "trusty-*" channel you will have to switch channels though
[18:44] <mhall119> It seems I am on channel: ubuntu-touch/trusty
[18:44] <asac> stgraber: can you check with Saviq on your questions on unity8/mir etc.? he can connect you to right folks to give you these details to get started
[18:44] <ogra_> mhall119, yeah, thats a dead end
[18:44] <stgraber> asac: ok
[18:45] <mhall119> ogra_: so ubuntu-device-flash or system-image-cli --channel devel --build 0 ?
[18:45] <ogra_> mhall119, adb shell system-image-cli  --channel ubuntu-touch/devel -b 0 -v
[18:46] <mhall119> thanks
[18:49] <stgraber> Saviq: so first question, what do I do if I want to start a unity8 session using Mir on tty9?
[18:51] <Saviq> stgraber, you need to start unity-system-compositor there
[18:52] <Saviq> stgraber, it takes a --vt arg
[18:53] <Saviq> stgraber, then, you launch unity8 pointing it at the u-s-c's sockets, that's effectively what the unity8 session wrapper does, /me looks again
[18:54] <stgraber> Saviq: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7361266/
[18:55] <Saviq> stgraber, actually looking at the files again, not sure it starts u-s-c any more
[18:56]  * Saviq tries
[18:56] <ogra_> Saviq, it uses usc-wrapper
[18:57] <ogra_> (ubuntu-touch-session)
[18:57] <Saviq> ogra_, yeah, we're talking the desktop session
[18:57] <ogra_> ah
[19:01] <Saviq> stgraber, wrong, it does use usc still, here's the command it runs on my machine:
[19:01] <Saviq> /usr/sbin/unity-system-compositor --file /tmp/lightdm-mir-0 --from-dm-fd 19 --to-dm-fd 28 --vt 9 --enable-hardware-cursor=true
[19:02]  * Saviq tries to find out where does this come from
[19:04] <stgraber> Saviq: what are those two fds? (19 and 28)
[19:05] <Saviq> stgraber, connection to the display manager
[19:05] <Saviq> stgraber, so that comes from lightdm
[19:06] <stgraber> are those mandatory or can I skip those until we get that stuff integrated with lightdm?
[19:07] <Saviq> stgraber, we have it integrated with lightdm
[19:07] <Saviq> stgraber, install unity8-desktop-session-mir, and just select the Unity8-Mir session in the greeter
[19:08] <stgraber> Saviq: I know we do but not in the way asac asked me to get it to work :)
[19:08] <stgraber> Saviq: I need to get unity8 and Mir running in a LXC container
[19:08] <Saviq> stgraber, yeah, I know
[19:09] <Saviq> stgraber, so yeah, you should be able to just run u-s-c as root and then point unity8 at the correct socket, that's about it, not sure what the error you got is about, might want to check with folks in #ubuntu-mir
[19:10] <Saviq> stgraber, but maybe --file is all you need
[19:10] <Saviq> to get rid of that fial
[19:10] <Saviq> fail
[19:11] <mterry> stgraber, yeah, running USC manually is hard.  Let lightdm do it if you can
[19:12] <Saviq> brb, food
[19:12] <mterry> stgraber, (it talks a lot to lightdm so uses some control fds for its private protocol)
[19:13] <stgraber> mterry: right, so the context is that we want to run a LXC container which contains unity8 and Mir. We'll want that integrated with lightdm eventually, though at the moment I'd like to see it start standalone at least once so I can see it fail on whatever devices it needs to access, then I can tweak the container config and get it working, at which point we can do the lightdm bits.
[19:15] <stgraber> oh, looks like I can try unity8 directly for that maybe
[19:16] <mterry> stgraber, yeah unity8 can be a standalone thing
[19:16] <mterry> stgraber, just run it with an unset MIR_SOCKET
[19:21] <Saviq> right, or that
[19:26] <chrisq_nl> hi
[19:27] <chrisq_nl> I just bought a touch enabled laptop and  immediately installed ubuntu trusty
[19:27] <chrisq_nl> touchscreen is working pretty good.. but sometimes fails to load on boot..
[19:27] <chrisq_nl> and no right click..
[19:28] <ogra_> chrisq_nl, you might want to go to #ubuntu-x instead
[19:28] <chrisq_nl> ah.. check
[19:28] <stgraber> mterry: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7361449/
[19:28] <ogra_> (this channel is for ubuntu touch, the phone OS)
[19:29] <chrisq_nl> ok.. I read the desktop and phone version would merge for 14.10, so I figured this would be the right place.. :P
[19:29] <chrisq_nl> thx.. I'll go to #ubuntu-x
[19:30] <ogra_> they will merge at some point between 14.04 and 16.04
[19:31] <ogra_> work on that will *start* in 14.10
[19:33] <mterry> stgraber, that might be a better question for Mir folk
[19:34] <mterry> stgraber, certainly looks like EGL can't deal with the environment you've got though
[19:36] <stgraber> mterry: who are the Mir folks nowadays?
[19:36] <ogra_> stgraber, the guys in #ubuntu-mir mostly :)
[19:36] <mterry> stgraber, #ubuntu-mir is a good start, they are responsive
[19:38] <Sivik> ok, I misseds if someone updated but how do I open the file manager on ubuntu touch as root so I can get outside my home folder
[19:39] <ogra_> you cant
[19:39] <ogra_> no app can get out of its confined space
[19:39] <Sivik> Ok, so how do I open a file to be able to modify it?
[19:40] <ogra_> on the commandline or with the terminal app
[19:40] <Sivik> cause I cannot use vi cause I don't have esc or ctrl to save the modified file
[19:40] <ogra_> (commandline via adb)
[19:40] <ogra_> note that the system is readonly though
[19:40] <ogra_> you do ;)
[19:40] <ogra_> tap and hold the terminal screen
[19:40] <ogra_> that brings up the ctrl wheel
[19:41] <ogra_> then hit c ...
[19:41] <Sivik> yea, but ctrl w isn't there
[19:41] <ogra_> and the tab key is generated by double tapping
[19:41] <ogra_> ctrl-c
[19:41] <ogra_> :w
[19:41] <ogra_> try that
[19:41] <Sivik> ok
[19:42] <Sivik> is there a way to tab complete from terminal?
[19:42] <ogra_> yes, double tap
[19:43] <ogra_> if you want a real escape key iirc there was a key panel you can enable from the bottom toolbar
[19:43] <ogra_> (i never use it since it steal screen space)
[19:43] <ogra_> *steals
[19:44] <Sivik> is there an insert key?
[19:45] <ogra_> not that i know of
[19:46] <Sivik> alright
[19:46] <Sivik> then I gotta find a file editor program I can use that doesn't use the insert key
[19:48] <dobey> vim?
[19:49] <ogra_> ++
[19:49]  * dobey has never used the insert key in vim
[19:49] <ogra_> i dont think i have used the insert key ever
[19:49] <ogra_> anywhere :)
[19:49] <dobey> yeah, that too
[19:49] <josepht> I use Shift+Insert to paste in xterms all the time
[19:50] <dobey> well, i've only used to to turn off overwrite mode when i accidentally pressed it when i was in an editor
[19:52] <Sivik> ogra_: I use insert key all the time in vi/vim
[19:52] <Sivik> Ok, I copied a file over to my Documents folder but when I connect to my pc, its not showing up.  Even though I changed the permissions on it
[19:52] <Sivik> and ownership
[19:53] <dobey> Sivik: just pressing 'i' in vi/vim gets you into insert mode.
[19:53] <dobey> Sivik: although, at this point, why don't you just use adb shell to do it? :)
[19:53] <Sivik> true but you have to hit insert to get the replace mode
[19:54] <Sivik> dobey, I was just told adb shell is read only
[19:54] <dobey> Sivik: no, the filesystem is read only
[19:54] <ogra_> Sivik, the filesystem is
[19:54] <ogra_> you get a root shell with adb ..
[19:54] <Sivik> dobey, hum, wonder how you fix this then: https://github.com/rschroll/beru/issues/25
[19:54] <Sivik> about updating the header in beru
[19:55] <Sivik> almost on the bottom
[19:55] <ogra_> Sivik, /opt/click... is writable indeed
[19:55] <dobey> yes
[19:55] <Sivik> Ok.
[19:56] <ogra_> use adb shell via USB
[19:56] <Sivik> Alright, I was use adb shell
[19:56] <ogra_> doing it in the terminal app will only be painful
[19:56] <Sivik> yea, very much so
[20:01] <Sivik> ok, that didn't work
[20:01] <Sivik> Trying the other things.
[20:01] <ogra_> how did that not work ?
[20:01] <ogra_> oh, you mean the change didnt, not the editing
[20:01] <Sivik> yea, it didn't remove the header thingy in beru
[20:01] <Sivik> The edit work, the fix didn't
[20:02] <ogra_> yup
[20:02] <ogra_> well, he pffers 3 differnt fixes
[20:02] <ogra_> *offers
[20:03] <ogra_> so you still have a chance :)
[20:03] <Sivik> yea
[20:03]  * ogra_ bets on the last one 
[20:05] <Sivik> why do you think its the last one?
[20:06] <ogra_> because i have seen that one working with the webappp-container before ... which had a similar issue
[20:06] <Sivik> ok.
[20:06] <Sivik> I will just try that
[20:06] <Sivik> and to hell with the second one.
[20:19] <jdstrand> stgraber: curious what your unity8 in LXC is in support of
[20:20] <ogra_> jdstrand, running unity8 14.10 under 14.04
[20:20] <Sivik> ogra_: the third options didn't work.
[20:20] <ogra_> without having to upgrade
[20:20] <jdstrand> interesting
[20:20] <ogra_> Sivik, sad
[20:20] <Sivik> unless I put it in the wrong place
[20:21] <ogra_> well, after line 23 it says
[20:21] <Sivik> but is that line 23 including comment or without comments
[20:21] <ogra_> no idea, i dont know the code
[20:21] <Sivik> Ok
[20:21] <ogra_> i would put it in the first free spot after line 2
[20:21] <ogra_> *23
[20:24] <Sivik> http://pastebin.com/j1hkvL1A
[20:24] <Sivik> How do I get line number to display in vi?
[20:24] <ogra_> :set nu
[20:24] <Sivik> got it
[20:24] <Sivik> And I put it on line 24 which is the first open line after line 23
[20:24] <Sivik> Let test it again.
[22:21] <surgemcgee> Any in here have QtCreator open?
[22:25] <surgemcgee> If so, press Ctl+Alt+Del and tell me if it crashes the session.. I have to go
[22:43] <cwayne1> should an image:// url open in gallery-app automatically?