[02:45] <philipballew> nhaines, After May  9th, I am gonna be out of the area for a month.
[02:45] <philipballew> life calls me elsewhere for a while.
[18:20] <nateman264> 'ello
[18:21] <nateman264> I need help for a second, please?
[18:21] <bltz> what kind
[18:22] <nateman264> I need to get ultimate edition on an external Hardrive to try and get it to boot on my computer
[18:23] <bltz> of windows? try ##Windows
[18:24] <nhaines> pleia2: yay, DVDs!  http://ubuntuone.com/1BgZ8g88Rm13gxgCGBHIQe
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[18:24] <nateman264> what? no. I need ubuntu ultimate edition to boot.
[18:25] <raevol> nateman264: where did you get ubuntu ultimate edition?
[18:25] <nateman264> off the UE main site
[18:26] <raevol> nateman264: do you have a link? i've never heard of it
[18:26] <nhaines> nateman264: can you provide a URL to that?
[18:27] <nateman264> http://ultimateedition.info/
[18:27] <darthrobot> Title: [Ultimate Edition]
[18:32] <nateman264> you guys get it?
[18:33] <nhaines> nateman264: I'd say it's probably a good idea to either install Ubuntu 14.04 LTS or to ask on the UE forums.
[18:33] <nateman264> *sigh* okay...
[18:33] <nhaines> It looks like this is a heavily modified version of Ubuntu 13.04, which is only supported for another 3 months and may not have a good update path.
[18:34] <nateman264> okay, then how would I do the same process with 14.04?
[18:34] <nhaines> nateman264: sorry, we like to help where we can, but we basically do community events.  This looks like it might be really heavily modified and we haven't used it, so if we gave advice we might be wrong.
[18:35] <nateman264> it's fine.
[18:35] <nhaines> For 14.04, when you get to the install section, you'd choose "alongside Windows", and then you'd pick the external drive as the target.
[18:35] <nateman264> okay. thank you.
[18:35] <nhaines> And then at the end if it asks where to install the bootloader, pick the external drive again.
[18:36] <nhaines> That should work, but the OS might be slower than running on an internal drive.  :)  (USB is pretty sluggish.)
[18:36] <bltz> I've never heard anyone mention UE before, I wouldn't touch it with a long pole myself
[18:36] <nateman264> eh, My internal is slow anyway...
[18:37] <nateman264> well, I had a neighbor who ran it a while back and it was pretty awesome
[18:39] <bltz> atleast they have a 460 page long detailed guide
[18:40] <bltz> that they ripped from ubuntu and are just adding on to and modifying
[18:41] <nhaines> bltz: it's an Ubuntu derivative, so it only makes sense to adapt the Ubuntu documentation.
[18:45] <bltz> I'm not admonishing it
[18:45] <bltz> it just makes sense that it's so large now
[18:46] <nhaines> It sounds interesting.  Although I don't like the GNOME theme at all.  :)
[19:21] <rww> The support policy on #ubuntu (and I believe other Ubuntu support venues) is "use actual Ubuntu. if you're not, ask your derivative for support", so I wouldn't touch derivatives either :)
[19:22] <rww> (no comment on how that applies to ubuntu vs debian for me ;)
[20:24] <nhaines> So, I just realized these 14.04 desktop and server sleeves advertise 18 months of updates instead of 5 years.  :P
[20:31] <troyready> Dear lord.....that ultimate edition site.....
[20:33] <troyready> It's like the anti-ubuntu, based on Ubuntu. I need bleach for my eyes.
[20:40] <bltz> I'd like to hear your explanation for anti-Ubuntu
[20:43] <nhaines> bltz: well, " No more "Big Brother" watching over your shoulder and tracking your every move. Funny how other O/S’s want to spy on you or target you for ads. Here at Ultimate Edition Central we do the opposite. Your privacy is important to us & so is your feedback."
[20:45] <nhaines> Plus the default desktop shell is... very busy.
[20:46] <troyready> If the only thing it changed was the dconf options for Dash, that would be one thing. I think the 'big brother' concerns are overblown, but I could certainly understand it
[20:47] <troyready> As it is, it's seems like an unpolished, unpredictable mess that is more likely to cause people problems than help them
[20:48] <troyready> e.g. getting people to install 13.10 now. Yikes.
[21:06] <bltz> how'd you make that assumption? off the look of their site? I mean... install it before you disparage it
[21:06] <nhaines> troyready: so many people were angry because Ubuntu "broke" fixubuntu.com
[21:07] <nhaines> I was like "*Or* if you turned off online searching in the supported manner instead of uninstalling temporary packages, you'd be covered."
[21:07] <troyready> nhaines, +1
[21:08] <nhaines> Not that I'm against people modifying their computers, but then support for those modifications becomes their burden.
[21:09] <troyready> bltz, I'm talking about a number of factors. Yes, the look of the site is part of it.
[21:09] <troyready> By no means does a deritive developer need to be a slick webadmin; in fact, I would prefer their development time be put into useful technical things
[21:10] <troyready> (e.g. one of my favorite sites as a macbook user is http://www.rodsbooks.com/ -- so much incredible content, no BS)
[21:10] <darthrobot> Title: [Roderick W. Smith]
[21:10] <bltz> I agree, the name and site look tacky and foreboding, but the fact that they've written hundreds of pages on top of the ubuntu official guidebook is a good sign
[21:11] <bltz> I don't blame people for not mucking with css, it's such a tedious task
[21:17] <troyready> bltz, That statement on its own is one I agree with in theory, but I don't think it will work out in practice
[21:17] <bltz> which
[21:18] <troyready> "...they've written hundreds of pages on top of the ubuntu official guidebook is a good sign"
[21:18] <troyready> If people were just going to stick with Ultimate Edition 3.9 and he is able to produce documentation to support it, that's all well and good
[21:19] <troyready> But given his split priorities and lack of time (every blog post implies tossing out releases and focusing on the next one), I'd be considerably more worried that people are in fact going to get out of date information and end up more confused
[21:19] <troyready> I think we'd all end up in a better spot if he contributed to the primary ubuntu community wiki, and offered ppas and directions on his site for customizations
[21:20] <nhaines> troyready: +1
[21:20] <bltz> I don't think it'd make a difference to the ubuntu community, I'd rather this guy do what he enjoys
[21:21] <bltz> something done with the right intentions is fine by me
[21:22] <bltz> in any case, all I said was that the fact they're trying to do detailed documenation is a good sign, I don't think that's something anyone can argue with
[21:22] <bltz> documentation*
[21:24] <troyready> I respectfully disagree, because I don't see detailed documentation, I see grandiose out of date documentation
[21:25] <bltz> ok yeah, an effort to document is bad
[21:25] <bltz> sure nuff
[21:26] <bltz> damned if you do, damned if you don't for these guys just because they're a bit behind release schedule. If one person can't keep their little project up-to-date then screw em
[21:26] <troyready> See, that's my point. Communication is difficult, and people can get very bad ideas from improper communication.
[21:27] <bltz> you can't protect people all the time
[21:27] <ianorlinlaptop> that is true
[21:27] <troyready> e.g.: what you just inferred from my statements
[21:29] <bltz> I can't agree more, misccommunication is the biggest problem with any kind of interaction
[21:29] <bltz> but I disagree that somehow this side project that reaches a handful of people is at risk
[21:30] <bltz> for doing more harm than good. They don't need to be held to the same standards as lubuntu
[21:30] <bltz> I was speaking towards their intentions - showing that you care about documentation is a good thing
[21:31] <bltz> whether or not that outcome is detrimental to the project by poor wording is another matter
[21:31] <troyready> I like that idea, I just don't see it on their site. Browsing through some of this : http://ultimateedition.info/guide/contents.html , it seems mostly awful
[21:31] <darthrobot> Title: [Ultimate Edition - Ultamatix]
[21:32] <troyready> (again, for comparison -- this site is amazing: http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/ and it helps the general Linux community)
[21:32] <darthrobot> Title: [The rEFInd Boot Manager]
[21:32] <troyready> But to your point: what harm is it for 'TheeMahn' to scratch his own itch? I suppose if it's not damaging the overall Linux brand, more power to him
[21:33] <bltz> I was speaking towards http://ultimateedition.info/faq/ultimateguide.pdf
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[21:34] <troyready> I worry that the project will give people a bad impression of Ubuntu & Linux in general because it's somehow supposedly 'Ultimate'
[21:34] <troyready> But like you said, it's some random project, and it probably makes him happy, so so be it
[21:34] <bltz> as neither of us have used it we can only speculate
[21:36] <bltz> has anyone ever seen one core in htop stuck at 100% while no processes were using anywhere near that much cpu?
[21:58] <pleia2> the Ubuntu documentation is in desperate need of help (and I've done a ton of work to improve the "getting started" docs on it), so it is always a bit sad for me when derivatives spend a lot of time on their own rather than contributing back
[21:58] <pleia2> but whatever, we're all volunteers, we work on what we like
[21:59] <pleia2> nhaines: yay cds!
[22:45] <nhaines> pleia2: made me happy, except for when I realized that they each say they only offer 18 months of support.
[22:59] <troyready> Is it making a distinction between 'updates' & 'support' ? Seems like there's a fair bit of that lately, for better or worse
[23:03] <nhaines> troyready: nope.  http://ubuntuone.com/5QT25diGMR0IHiQcfcUGsu
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[23:03] <nhaines> There's 24 months of 'maintenance updates' anyway.  It switches over to security-only after 16.04 LTS.
[23:05] <nhaines> Wow, the discs themselves are minimalist.  :)
[23:06] <nhaines> They're also 64-bit.
[23:06] <nhaines> Which I think is a good call.
[23:06] <jose> what? Desktop are 64-bit?
[23:07] <nhaines> Yup.
[23:07] <jose> I didn't know that!
[23:07] <nhaines> I'm in the process of verifying with a virtual machine.
[23:08] <troyready> nhaines, awww, that is lame
[23:08] <nhaines> troyready: yup.  I've alerted the proper authorities.
[23:08] <nhaines> At least by delegation.  Because I am leader! \o/
[23:09] <nhaines> But yeah, got asked for a photo, so I produced the U1 link.
[23:48] <nhaines> I finally got Netflix working just right in my desktop browser.  So happy now.