[00:01] everything seems to move in slow motion development wise [00:07] Do you guys have much demand for https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6311? [00:08] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 6311 in General "Add "Go back" button in case screenshot is not OK" [Normal,New] [00:08] or mostly storing teh passwordz [00:09] brainwash: I don't see any reason to, but that's just me. Testing wouldn't happen yet, still too early for anything to change. [00:15] http://www.unixstickers.com/stickers/linux-keyboard-stickers/xubuntu-circle-keyboard-sticker-cover-windows-flag SO EXCITED [00:17] do you guys receive money from this? [00:17] knome^ [02:31] Logan_: Ready? [02:31] my body is always ready [02:35] Can you remind me why https://sigma.unit193.net/source/darkice_ubuntu-to-ubuntu.diff - https://sigma.unit193.net/source/darkice_1.2-0ubuntu1.dsc can't be uploaded? :) [02:37] Besides dh_auto_configure being weird. [04:02] Logan_: Did you perhaps get a sec or should I (maybe) bother someone else? [04:03] I'm actually about to sleep [04:03] and you didn't ping me, so I didn't notice that :P [04:04] Aha, alrighty-o. [04:04] Well good sleepy time, then. [04:05] thanks :P [04:05] you should sleep, too [04:05] Nah, it's still early. [06:21] ggod morning [10:40] sidi-valencia, they usually do that, but since we can't "make money" out of xubuntu, we will get some free stickers for the team instead [10:47] knome, pleia2, http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/xubuntu-reviews/xubuntu-14-04-lts/ <- not sure if you already knew about this review [10:47] slickymasterWork, i read it yesterday [10:47] ok [11:05] interesting [11:07] what is? [13:07] is bug 1314153 a "won't fix" candidate? [13:07] bug 1314153 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "XUbuntu reinstalls all default packages on release update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1314153 [13:08] not really... i think it's something to fix [13:09] the problem is that it's not xubuntu-desktop that pulls in those packages [13:09] having xubuntu-default-settings reinstalls abiword and gnumeric [13:09] imo that's a bug [13:09] ah I see [13:09] (i didn't look at the bug itself, but i know what i said is true) [13:11] so I'll just ignore this report [13:11] well i just updated it [13:11] great :) [13:12] err, boo for the order of importance statuses [13:12] set to confirmed/low [13:45] hi GridCube [13:45] :) hi elfy [13:50] GridCube: so I have a task for someone :) [13:50] :) [13:50] bit boring though ... I'd love to know what version apps we have for testcases - at present there is no version control on that [13:52] how would i do that? [13:52] there is a pad linked to from the package test groups card - the info could go on that [13:53] get the version of say terminal - add it to the pad [13:53] going to talk to balloons about this later - I'd like to have an app's version referenced on the testcase - so we know where we are if things change [14:02] slickymasterWork: thanks, it's on my list to create the new Press page for 14.04, but I'm traveling this week so it keeps getting bumped, hopefully if today goes as planned I'll get it up today :) [14:03] o/ pleia2 [14:03] hey elfy o/ [14:03] pleia2, well actually the infrastructure is already updated, you only need to drop in links now [14:04] knome: oh, thanks :) [14:04] np [14:04] Permanently delete task 28 'create 1404 press page for xubuntu'? (yes/no) yes [14:04] \o/ [14:04] knome: hi :) [14:04] hehe [14:04] hey elfy [14:06] knome: when you've got some time to spare let me know [14:07] now would be it [14:08] mulling over the large groups of tests we have in some of our testsuites - and the resulting lump of time we end up asking our testers to give us [14:08] what kind of input would you like to have? :) [14:08] http://pad.ubuntu.com/5opi9dQG5e [14:08] is what I was playing with [14:09] much smaller groups - 9 of them - call one very 2 weeks - gives us 6 weeks in the cycle free of package calls [14:09] was my thinking [14:09] mhm [14:12] "this might be merged" is all well and good - but it's not at the moment - so I have to test with what I've got in images [14:12] sure [14:12] same with 'do we keep shipping' :) [14:12] just fyi and that it doesn't come as a surprise [14:12] yep [14:13] mmm - thanks - I guess perhaps there are some specific channels and/or mailing lists it might be useful for me to be in/read [14:13] i guess #xfce-dev, but don't feel obliged to [14:13] a lot of it is irrelevant to you [14:13] yea [14:13] are there public logs? [14:14] if there are I could just skim look there [14:14] good question [14:15] knome: so other than the fact that some things 'might' change - do you see an issue with changing testsuites about for unicorn? [14:15] i don't think there is [14:15] no, but looking at the list, might want to group media/docs [14:16] and not sure about mugshot/menulibre [14:16] yep - that makes sense [14:16] menulibre could be in the new "apps" bunch (with media/docs) [14:16] mugshot and whiskermenu... don't really know, they are pretty different from gtk3 indicators and light-locker [14:17] though i guess it doesn't matter if we just want to split the testing to some even groups [14:17] yea - I don't the 'grouping' itself is too much of an issue [14:18] also thinking if it made more sense to make a few optional testsuites [14:18] for example, accessories only has one non-optional item [14:18] that's a good idea [14:18] I'll play with that [14:18] so maybe consider grouping the optional testcases first [14:18] then see what's left [14:18] and try to make even groups [14:19] could even mix up them completely [14:19] main thing I want is to be ready for when packages.qa is up [14:19] yep - I'll look at that now [14:19] eg. try to only have one "bigger" application in a group [14:19] so the testing isn't too unbalanced [14:19] yep [14:20] fortunately we can create as many testsuites we want [14:20] yep [14:20] so we can play around and improve as needed [14:32] knome: that's mad - I wonder why that lump of appearances is still sitting in the settings manager testcaase [14:33] hehe [14:35] bug 1314222 :) [14:35] bug 1314222 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Xubuntu Settings Manager includes appearance test" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1314222 [15:35] knome: alternatively we could not use testsuites and just have the tests on the tracker seperately - (not the optional one) then just call from a list [15:42] mmh [15:43] you seem as enthralled by that as me :p [15:44] I've fiddled about with the pad - I'm leaving it now for a day [16:55] knome, you around? [18:15] Unit193: did you get someone to look at your update? [18:18] slickymaster, now i am [19:36] slickymaster Unit193 lderan - can you look at http://pad.ubuntu.com/5opi9dQG5e - we need to amalgamate the top 9 groups a bit more - but I want someone else to look - thanks [22:04] i hope you don't mind that i keep advertising your PPA with the powerman patch to potential testers ;) [22:08] it does not fix the problem for elfy... so I don't feel like spreading the word myself to get more testers :P [22:11] yeah, i understand [22:11] it's just so hard to believe for me that i can't stop spreading the word :p [22:12] this problem is really annoying, it's all about the right timing [22:12] or implementing a proper solution [22:13] yup, proper solution seems a bit out of reach for 14.04 though [22:14] it would involve xfpm, ll and maybe the greeter (blank timings) [22:15] so meh [22:15] Logan_: I hadn't pushed for it. [22:16] brainwash: exactly. proper solution in some future release, patch-up for 14.04 [22:16] Unit193: but pushing is how you succeed! [22:22] Logan_: But I've already had it locally since the beginning of saucy. :D [22:25] ochosi are you there? [22:31] some theme expert here? knome? [22:31] amigamagic: what's up? [22:32] ochosi, wait I'll post a screenshot so you can view my problem [22:34] ochosi, http://oi57.tinypic.com/35hle8z.jpg [22:35] I'm trying to make a blue border around the active windows from greybird theme [22:35] so I copied the border image files from kokodi theme [22:36] to the greybird theme folder [22:36] but I have big troubles in modifying the xpm files of the top borders [22:36] how are you having troubles? [22:36] 1) just use gimp and 2) remove the png files for starters [22:37] when I open them with the gimp and resave them without changing nothing, they will change! [22:37] it's like they have an alpha channel that gimp doesn't recognize [22:37] no, but some of them pick up theme colors [22:37] you can see when you edit them with a text editor [22:37] but as long as you don't want to do that, just create a theme with absolute colors with gimp [22:38] you think that's normal that if I open the file top-left-active.xpm (from Kokodi theme) and resave it with gimp, without change nothing, it will be messed up? [22:39] now I'll post another screenshot of the difference before and after the resaving with gimp... [22:40] i already told you [22:40] amigamagic, please don't ping specific people unless you really need to talk with them please [22:40] I tried to work on the invisible border patch for xfwm4 today.. and gave up after 5min [22:41] :/ [22:41] knome, I needed to talk with him :P [22:41] but not me. [22:41] sorry, but I thought you too could explain this thing to me [22:42] ochosi, here is the screenshot of my top left border after the resaving with gimp: http://oi58.tinypic.com/2a6m32d.jpg [22:43] basically, I would like to have a blue little border around all the window (starting from the greybird theme) [22:43] then just replace the few pixels you need to replace in a text-editor in greybird [22:44] from the xpm file, you mean? [22:44] yes [22:44] ok, I will try that, thanks [23:06] thanks ochosi, changing the xpm file with a text editor works... It's a little tedious, but it works... [23:10] Logan_: Were you perhaps interested in taking a look or should I head to -motu? [23:35] knome: are you around? [23:41] yep [23:45] cool [23:45] want to do me a favor? [23:46] tell me what it would be and i'll consider ;) [23:46] tough customer [23:46] :) [23:47] knome: can you verify the fix here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/menulibre/+bug/1313276 [23:47] Launchpad bug 1313276 in MenuLibre "Crash of Menulibre and Alacarte due to conflict in xfce-applications.menu" [Undecided,New] [23:48] oh bah ;) [23:48] give me anything from 5mins to 30mins [23:48] and i'll go and verify it [23:48] :) [23:49] I'm trying to figure out where the duplication is coming from [23:49] think I have narrowed it down [23:54] and when you do try that, let me know [23:54] I have a little debug code I want you to try [23:54] :)