[00:01] <brainwash> everything seems to move in slow motion development wise
[00:07] <sidi-valencia> Do you guys have much demand for https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6311?
[00:08] <sidi-valencia> or mostly storing teh passwordz
[00:09] <Unit193> brainwash: I don't see any reason to, but that's just me.  Testing wouldn't happen yet, still too early for anything to change.
[00:15] <sidi-valencia> http://www.unixstickers.com/stickers/linux-keyboard-stickers/xubuntu-circle-keyboard-sticker-cover-windows-flag SO EXCITED
[00:17] <sidi-valencia> do you guys receive money from this?
[00:17] <sidi-valencia> knome^
[02:31] <Unit193> Logan_: Ready?
[02:31] <Logan_> my body is always ready
[02:35] <Unit193> Can you remind me why https://sigma.unit193.net/source/darkice_ubuntu-to-ubuntu.diff - https://sigma.unit193.net/source/darkice_1.2-0ubuntu1.dsc can't be uploaded? :)
[02:37] <Unit193> Besides dh_auto_configure being weird.
[04:02] <Unit193> Logan_: Did you perhaps get a sec or should I (maybe) bother someone else?
[04:03] <Logan_> I'm actually about to sleep
[04:03] <Logan_> and you didn't ping me, so I didn't notice that :P
[04:04] <Unit193> Aha, alrighty-o.
[04:04] <Unit193> Well good sleepy time, then.
[04:05] <Logan_> thanks :P
[04:05] <Logan_> you should sleep, too
[04:05] <Unit193> Nah, it's still early.
[06:21] <jhenke> ggod morning
[10:40] <knome> sidi-valencia, they usually do that, but since we can't "make money" out of xubuntu, we will get some free stickers for the team instead
[10:47] <slickymasterWork> knome, pleia2, http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/xubuntu-reviews/xubuntu-14-04-lts/ <- not sure if you already knew about this review
[10:47] <knome> slickymasterWork, i read it yesterday
[10:47] <slickymasterWork> ok
[11:05] <sidi-valencia> interesting
[11:07] <knome> what is?
[13:07] <brainwash> is bug 1314153 a "won't fix" candidate?
[13:08] <knome> not really... i think it's something to fix
[13:09] <knome> the problem is that it's not xubuntu-desktop that pulls in those packages
[13:09] <knome> having xubuntu-default-settings reinstalls abiword and gnumeric
[13:09] <knome> imo that's a bug
[13:09] <brainwash> ah I see
[13:09] <knome> (i didn't look at the bug itself, but i know what i said is true)
[13:11] <brainwash> so I'll just ignore this report
[13:11] <knome> well i just updated it
[13:11] <brainwash> great :)
[13:12] <knome> err, boo for the order of importance statuses
[13:12] <knome> set to confirmed/low
[13:45] <elfy> hi GridCube 
[13:45] <GridCube> :) hi elfy 
[13:50] <elfy> GridCube: so I have a task for someone :)
[13:50] <GridCube> :)
[13:50] <elfy> bit boring though ... I'd love to know what version apps we have for testcases - at present there is no version control on that
[13:52] <GridCube> how would i do that?
[13:52] <elfy> there is a pad linked to from the package test groups card - the info could go on that
[13:53] <elfy> get the version of say terminal - add it to the pad
[13:53] <elfy> going to talk to balloons about this later - I'd like to have an app's version referenced on the testcase - so we know where we are if things change
[14:02] <pleia2> slickymasterWork: thanks, it's on my list to create the new Press page for 14.04, but I'm traveling this week so it keeps getting bumped, hopefully if today goes as planned I'll get it up today :)
[14:03] <elfy> o/ pleia2 
[14:03] <pleia2> hey elfy o/
[14:03] <knome> pleia2, well actually the infrastructure is already updated, you only need to drop in links now
[14:04] <pleia2> knome: oh, thanks :)
[14:04] <knome> np
[14:04] <pleia2> Permanently delete task 28 'create 1404 press page for xubuntu'? (yes/no) yes
[14:04] <pleia2> \o/
[14:04] <elfy> knome: hi :)
[14:04] <knome> hehe
[14:04] <knome> hey elfy 
[14:06] <elfy> knome: when you've got some time to spare let me know 
[14:07] <knome> now would be it
[14:08] <elfy> mulling over the large groups of tests we have in some of our testsuites - and the resulting lump of time we end up asking our testers to give us
[14:08] <knome> what kind of input would you like to have? :)
[14:08] <elfy> http://pad.ubuntu.com/5opi9dQG5e
[14:08] <elfy> is what I was playing with
[14:09] <elfy> much smaller groups - 9 of them - call one very 2 weeks - gives us 6 weeks in the cycle free of package calls
[14:09] <elfy> was my thinking
[14:09] <knome> mhm
[14:12] <elfy> "this might be merged" is all well and good - but it's not at the moment - so I have to test with what I've got in images 
[14:12] <knome> sure
[14:12] <elfy> same with 'do we keep shipping' :)
[14:12] <knome> just fyi and that it doesn't come as a surprise
[14:12] <knome> yep
[14:13] <elfy> mmm - thanks - I guess perhaps there are some specific channels and/or mailing lists it might be useful for me to be in/read
[14:13] <knome> i guess #xfce-dev, but don't feel obliged to
[14:13] <knome> a lot of it is irrelevant to you
[14:13] <elfy> yea
[14:13] <elfy> are there public logs?
[14:14] <elfy> if there are I could just skim look there 
[14:14] <knome> good question
[14:15] <elfy> knome: so other than the fact that some things 'might' change - do you see an issue with changing testsuites about for unicorn?
[14:15] <knome> i don't think there is
[14:15] <knome> no, but looking at the list, might want to group media/docs
[14:16] <knome> and not sure about mugshot/menulibre
[14:16] <elfy> yep - that makes sense
[14:16] <knome> menulibre could be in the new "apps" bunch (with media/docs)
[14:16] <knome> mugshot and whiskermenu... don't really know, they are pretty different from gtk3 indicators and light-locker
[14:17] <knome> though i guess it doesn't matter if we just want to split the testing to some even groups
[14:17] <elfy> yea - I don't the 'grouping' itself is too much of an issue
[14:18] <knome> also thinking if it made more sense to make a few optional testsuites
[14:18] <knome> for example, accessories only has one non-optional item
[14:18] <elfy> that's a good idea 
[14:18] <elfy> I'll play with that 
[14:18] <knome> so maybe consider grouping the optional testcases first
[14:18] <knome> then see what's left
[14:18] <knome> and try to make even groups
[14:19] <knome> could even mix up them completely
[14:19] <elfy> main thing I want is to be ready for when packages.qa is up
[14:19] <elfy> yep - I'll look at that now 
[14:19] <knome> eg. try to only have one "bigger" application in a group
[14:19] <knome> so the testing isn't too unbalanced
[14:19] <elfy> yep
[14:20] <knome> fortunately we can create as many testsuites we want
[14:20] <elfy> yep
[14:20] <knome> so we can play around and improve as needed
[14:32] <elfy> knome: that's mad - I wonder why that lump of appearances is still sitting in the settings manager testcaase
[14:33] <knome> hehe
[14:35] <elfy> bug 1314222 :)
[15:35] <elfy> knome: alternatively we could not use testsuites and just have the tests on the tracker seperately - (not the optional one) then just call from a list 
[15:42] <knome> mmh
[15:43] <elfy> you seem as enthralled by that as me :p
[15:44] <elfy> I've fiddled about with the pad - I'm leaving it now for a day 
[16:55] <slickymasterWork> knome, you around?
[18:15] <Logan_> Unit193: did you get someone to look at your update?
[18:18] <knome> slickymaster, now i am
[19:36] <elfy> slickymaster Unit193 lderan - can you look at http://pad.ubuntu.com/5opi9dQG5e - we need to amalgamate the top 9 groups a bit more - but I want someone else to look - thanks
[22:04] <ochosi> i hope you don't mind that i keep advertising your PPA with the powerman patch to potential testers ;)
[22:08] <brainwash> it does not fix the problem for elfy... so I don't feel like spreading the word myself to get more testers :P
[22:11] <ochosi> yeah, i understand
[22:11] <ochosi> it's just so hard to believe for me that i can't stop spreading the word :p
[22:12] <brainwash> this problem is really annoying, it's all about the right timing
[22:12] <brainwash> or implementing a proper solution
[22:13] <ochosi> yup, proper solution seems a bit out of reach for 14.04 though
[22:14] <brainwash> it would involve xfpm, ll and maybe the greeter (blank timings)
[22:15] <brainwash> so meh
[22:15] <Unit193> Logan_: I hadn't pushed for it.
[22:16] <ochosi> brainwash: exactly. proper solution in some future release, patch-up for 14.04
[22:16] <Logan_> Unit193: but pushing is how you succeed!
[22:22] <Unit193> Logan_: But I've already had it locally since the beginning of saucy. :D
[22:25] <amigamagic> ochosi are you there?
[22:31] <amigamagic> some theme expert here? knome?
[22:31] <ochosi> amigamagic: what's up?
[22:32] <amigamagic> ochosi, wait I'll post a screenshot so you can view my problem
[22:34] <amigamagic> ochosi, http://oi57.tinypic.com/35hle8z.jpg
[22:35] <amigamagic> I'm trying to make a blue border around the active windows from greybird theme
[22:35] <amigamagic> so I copied the border image files from kokodi theme
[22:36] <amigamagic> to the greybird theme folder
[22:36] <amigamagic> but I have big troubles in modifying the xpm files of the top borders
[22:36] <ochosi> how are you having troubles?
[22:36] <ochosi> 1) just use gimp and 2) remove the png files for starters
[22:37] <amigamagic> when I open them with the gimp and resave them without changing nothing, they will change!
[22:37] <amigamagic> it's like they have an alpha channel that gimp doesn't recognize
[22:37] <ochosi> no, but some of them pick up theme colors
[22:37] <ochosi> you can see when you edit them with a text editor
[22:37] <ochosi> but as long as you don't want to do that, just create a theme with absolute colors with gimp
[22:38] <amigamagic> you think that's normal that if I open the file top-left-active.xpm (from Kokodi theme) and resave it with gimp, without change nothing, it will be messed up?
[22:39] <amigamagic> now I'll post another screenshot of the difference before and after the resaving with gimp...
[22:40] <ochosi> i already told you
[22:40] <knome> amigamagic, please don't ping specific people unless you really need to talk with them please
[22:40] <brainwash> I tried to work on the invisible border patch for xfwm4 today.. and gave up after 5min
[22:41] <brainwash> :/
[22:41] <amigamagic> knome, I needed to talk with him :P
[22:41] <knome> but not me.
[22:41] <amigamagic> sorry, but I thought you too could explain this thing to me
[22:42] <amigamagic> ochosi, here is the screenshot of my top left border after the resaving with gimp: http://oi58.tinypic.com/2a6m32d.jpg
[22:43] <amigamagic> basically, I would like to have a blue little border around all the window (starting from the greybird theme)
[22:43] <ochosi> then just replace the few pixels you need to replace in a text-editor in greybird
[22:44] <amigamagic> from the xpm file, you mean?
[22:44] <ochosi> yes
[22:44] <amigamagic> ok, I will try that, thanks
[23:06] <amigamagic> thanks ochosi, changing the xpm file with a text editor works... It's a little tedious, but it works...
[23:10] <Unit193> Logan_: Were you perhaps interested in taking a look or should I head to -motu?
[23:35] <bluesabre> knome: are you around?
[23:41] <knome> yep
[23:45] <bluesabre> cool
[23:45] <bluesabre> want to do me a favor?
[23:46] <knome> tell me what it would be and i'll consider ;)
[23:46] <bluesabre> tough customer
[23:46] <bluesabre> :)
[23:47] <bluesabre> knome: can you verify the fix here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/menulibre/+bug/1313276
[23:48] <knome> oh bah ;)
[23:48] <knome> give me anything from 5mins to 30mins
[23:48] <knome> and i'll go and verify it
[23:48] <bluesabre> :)
[23:49] <bluesabre> I'm trying to figure out where the duplication is coming from
[23:49] <bluesabre> think I have narrowed it down
[23:54] <bluesabre> and when you do try that, let me know
[23:54] <bluesabre> I have a little debug code I want you to try
[23:54] <bluesabre> :)