[01:12] <xubuntu040> I installed the latest version of xbuntu and my screen resolution is 640x480, i am running it in virtualbox using an ati card, any suggestions on how to change the resolution
[01:14] <james0r2> xubuntu040, you might need to install Guest Additions
[01:14] <xubuntu040> thanks james0r2, ill give that a shot
[01:36] <james0r2> anyone else get this bug where the whisker menu panel icon disappears here and there. upon hovering over it again it returns. I had this with xfce 4.10 on debian as well.
[01:36] <james0r2> seems to happen to me on both of my systems
[02:45] <havok> Anyone available that can help me fix my audio through HDMI via Xubuntu 14.04?
[04:33] <ddc> halo
[04:35] <ddc> i just want to say thank you for new release on xubuntu 14
[04:35] <ddc> it's my first time to try xubuntu
[04:35] <ddc> thank you
[08:20] <xubuntu922> buongiorno a tutti, ho installato xubuntu su acer aspire one ao751h ma non riesco a sentire l'audio in maniera decente. Va a scatti. per i video se3mbra che ho risolto facendoli girare con gxine, altrimenti cion gli altri programmi andavano a scatti anche le immagini.
[08:21] <xubuntu922> qualche aiutino per l'audio?
[08:22] <xubuntu922> dimenticavo xubuntu è la 14.04
[11:09] <gdi2k> what's a good "type as you search" desktop search tool like beagle for xubuntu?
[11:11] <amigamagic> gdi2k, can't you use beagle on xubuntu?
[11:11] <gdi2k> amigamagic, I don't really want all the mono bloat that comes with it - I also think it's a dead project
[11:11] <amigamagic> maybe, I don't know that program
[11:12] <amigamagic> I'm happy with whisker menu and ALT+F2
[11:12] <gdi2k> yeh, loving that too! but I would like to also easily search through document / file names
[11:12] <amigamagic> and there is catfish if you want to search in thunar
[11:12] <amigamagic> it's already integrated
[11:12] <amigamagic> in the contextual menu
[11:13] <bluesabre> synapse also works well, despite being a "dead" project.
[11:13] <gdi2k> ah ok, that's not bad - any way to pre-index so that results are faster / instant?
[11:13] <gdi2k> (catfish)
[11:14] <bluesabre> gdi2k, if you go to the gear menu and select "Update Search Index" it will greatly improve search times
[11:14] <gdi2k> does that use "updatedb" ?
[11:15] <gdi2k> ah, this is working well :) thanks much!
[11:16] <bluesabre> yes it does :)
[11:16] <gdi2k> now if only I could bind Alt+Middle click to close window!
[11:16] <gdi2k> apparently it's hard coded and I don't feel like compiling at this stage
[11:17] <[Terra]> Hi, since upgrading to 14.04 locking with xscreensaver doesn't work anymare, but light-locker doesn't lock the screen either, it only sitches tot vt8 and leaves vt7 unlocked.
[11:17] <[Terra]> Anyone here who knows how to fix this?
[11:17] <bluesabre> gdi2k: it's python, so it should be fairly easy to modify
[11:17] <amigamagic> gdi2k, what's that ALT+Middle close window thing?
[11:18] <amigamagic> I think it would be dangerous... I could wrongly close a window without knowing...
[11:18] <gdi2k> [Terra], on mine, VT7 gets locked when the screen is locked using light-locker - if I switch to VT7 it says "This sessions is locked" and directs me back to the unlock screen
, be sure that light-locker is running in the background.  This can be re-enabled from Light Locker Settings in the Settings Manager
[11:19] <gdi2k> amigamagic, I used openbox before and became addicted to using Alt+Middle Click to close windows. but in xfce it places the window to the bottom of the stack instead, and you can't modify it without modifying the code and recompiling. maybe a weekend project...
[11:20] <[Terra]> I purged all other lockers (xscreensaver and gnome) and made sure licht-locker(-settings) are installed. lichlocker is running, but light-locker -l only switched to vt8
[11:20] <[Terra]> vt7 remains unlocked.
[11:20] <amigamagic> gdi2k, nice that you can lower the window with alt+middle... I didn't know it...
[11:20] <bluesabre> that's unusual
[11:20] <bluesabre> ochosi ^
[11:22] <amigamagic> gdi2k, I am for less keyboard+mouseClick combos and more "easy to understand" icons on the gui (to let you make manage your desktop only with the mouse, without having to rely on the keyboard too)
[11:23] <amigamagic> for example, I would like to have big borders to let me resize the windows, instead of relying on ALT+right click
[11:24] <gdi2k> amigamagic, yes, understand, but easier is not always quicker. I love the mouse / keyboard shortcuts, especially alt+right click to resize saves me from having to grab the microscopic window border, and middle clicking on window buttons on the panel closes windows nicely
[11:25] <amigamagic> ^^^that's because the borders are 1 pixel
[11:25] <ochosi> [Terra]: how do you lock? what happens when you call "light-locker-command -l" from the terminal?
[11:25] <gdi2k> amigamagic, aye, madness!
[11:25] <amigamagic> if they were 4 pixel, you wouldn't have problems...
[11:25] <amigamagic> when I have a little time I will make a new theme myself, with borders of a decent size
[11:25] <ochosi> why not use a theme then that has 4px borders? there are tons around
[11:26] <ochosi> and modifying your existing theme to have 4px borders is a 15min job
[11:26] <amigamagic> ochosi, is there a site with themes compatible with xfce? I'm not expert in this field...
[11:26] <ochosi> e.g. xfce-look
[11:26] <ochosi> it's messy though
[11:26] <gdi2k> the one I use is 3 by the looks of it, but it's still quite a pain
[11:26] <[Terra]> ochosi: That command only switches the display to vt8. The display on vt7 is still unlocked and the 'light-locker-command -l' command just reternd to the commandline prompt wiothout any output.
[11:26] <gdi2k> (3px)
[11:27] <ochosi> [Terra]: and "ps -A | grep light-lo" tells you that light-locker is running?
[11:27] <[Terra]> eric      3722  0.0  0.2  44616 10152 ?        Sl   10:53   0:00 light-locker --lock-after-screensaver=5 --no-lock-on-suspend --no-late-locking
[11:27] <[Terra]> Yep
[11:30] <[Terra]> ochosi: If I kill the light-locker before running light-locker-command, light-locker-command responds with '** Message: light-locker is not running'
 what version do you have installed? apt-cache policy light-locker
[11:30] <[Terra]> Without switching to vt8
[11:31] <[Terra]> Installed: 1.4.0-0ubuntu1
[11:31] <bluesabre> ok, thanks
[11:32] <ochosi> hm, strange, never got a report like this before tbh
[11:32] <[Terra]> Might be worth noting that this isn't a fresh 14.04 install but an upgrade. So it is possible that something is conflicting from some previous install.
[11:33] <[Terra]> But I can't figure out what it can be
[11:34] <ochosi> wonder whether it could be upgrade-related, but can#t imagine how/what
[11:37] <[Terra]> Neither can I. I purged gnome-screenssaver and xscreensaver just to be sure.
[11:37] <gdi2k> does anyone else have issues with skype notifications when the Compositor is enabled? for me they don't show anymore
[11:37] <gdi2k> have had to disable compositor, which is a shame as I rather like the shadows etc.
[11:37] <[Terra]> I also tried to google for some answer, but found nothing usefull
[11:38] <ochosi> [Terra]: could you add a new user-account and try with that? just to rule out it's any leftovers of old config
[11:44] <[Terra]> Hmm. Now that's interesting. I logged in on vt8 as the new user while keeping this session on vt7 alive. This opened a session on vt8 as the new user. After locking there it switched me to vt9, but both vt7 and tv8 are still unlocked.
[11:44] <[Terra]> Weird...
[11:45] <amigamagic> ochosi, the themes for xfce are to be gtk2 ?
[11:47] <ochosi> [Terra]: ok, so it also happens with a new user... the rest is expected behavior
[11:47] <ochosi> amigamagic: not sure what you mean, i thought you were talking about window-borders, that is the xfwm4 folder of a theme
[11:47] <amigamagic> ochosi, I wanted to look for an existing theme
[11:47] <amigamagic> but it's all a mess on those theme sites
[11:48] <amigamagic> I don't know what I have to search
[11:48] <amigamagic> to get an xfce compatible theme...
[11:49] <ochosi> amigamagic: just look at the ones shipped with xubuntu then...
[11:49] <amigamagic> ochosi, if I liked them, I would not search for others... :)
[11:51] <amigamagic> ochosi, do you think this could work on xfce: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=158721 ?
[11:57] <[Terra]> ochosi: Yes, it is reproducable with a new user that had a completely clean homedir (apart from the standard skeleton).
[11:58] <ochosi> [Terra]: i guess the next thing you can try is kill light-locker and run it again with "--debug" from the terminal
[12:03] <[Terra]> ochosi: It does give me some errors when starting with the --debug, but I'm not sure how relevant those errors are.
[12:06] <[Terra]> ochosi: The output: http://pastebin.com/Vz6Gfh3d
[12:07] <ochosi> [Terra]: if you could file a bugreport and attach that, that'd be great to keep track of it
[12:07] <ochosi> looks like something is awfully wrong, not sure why though
[12:08] <ochosi> please also add some details to your upgrade where possible
[12:08] <ochosi> thanks!
[12:08] <ochosi> maybe you're missing some logind package i'm starting to wonder
[12:09] <ochosi> [Terra]: could you check in your package manager of choice (e.g. synaptic) what systemd packages you have installed?
[12:10] <[Terra]> What do you mean by systemd packages?
[12:13] <amigamagic> ochosi what picture I should change in the theme to make the borders bigger?
[12:14] <ochosi> [Terra]: just search your package manager for systemd. all packages with the name in it is what i mean
[12:15] <ochosi> you should have at least: systemd-shim, systemd-services, systemd-login0,libpam-systemd i guess
[12:15] <ochosi> libsystemd-daemon0, libsystemd-journal0
[12:17] <[Terra]> I've got them all.
[12:18] <amigamagic> ok, found it: they are left-active, right-active, etc.
[12:20] <superprower> Hi, i just updated my xubuntu to 14.04, and i got one problem. When i was updating, installer asked me for keyboard layout change combination, i chose alt-shift. But now, when i updated, i cant switch layout. Can you help me?
[12:24] <[Terra]> Pffft. They make it quite hard to file a bug report. This will take some time...
[12:26] <brainwash> superprower: not sure if alt-shift is a valid combination, run "ibus-setup" and reassign it
[12:28] <brainwash> [Terra]: does "loginctl lock-session" fail also?
[12:28] <brainwash> and "loginctl list-sessions" should list your current session
[12:31] <[Terra]> brainwash: Now, that might be something. list-sessions lists.... no active sessions.
[12:33] <[Terra]> If my loginctl seems to think that there is no active session, that might explain why no locker can lock it...
[12:35] <brainwash> indeed
[12:35] <brainwash> so it's still managed by consolekit I guess
[12:36] <brainwash> check "ck-list-sessions"
[12:37] <[Terra]> Yes, that one lists 3 sessions.
[12:38] <[Terra]> One remote ssh session, one X session on tty7 and a lightDM session on tty8
[12:40] <brainwash> that's odd
[12:41] <brainwash> I assume that some systemd related entry is missing in /etc/pam.d
[12:41] <brainwash> or you explicitly start the session with ck
[12:42] <brainwash> bug 1244463
[12:45] <[Terra]> brainwash: my /etc/pam.d/common-session only contains the line 'session required        pam_unix.so'.
[12:46] <[Terra]> brainwash: I'll try adding 'session optional pam_systemd.so' to it...
[12:53] <[Terra]> brainwash: Hmm. Ok, locking seems to work now. Only the unlocking doesn't work now.
[12:54] <brainwash> did you restart?
[12:54] <[Terra]> after typing the password it just restarts the lightdm
[12:54] <[Terra]> I logged in as another user on another tty
[12:55] <[Terra]> Otherwise I would loose this xterm.
[12:55] <brainwash> you can check /var/log/lightdm/
[12:57] <brainwash> but I would suggest to completely restart once
[12:59] <[Terra]> Looks like that might be a good idea, yes. Let's try that...
[13:16] <[Terra]> brainwash: Ok, just rebooted the whole system, just to be sure.
[13:17] <brainwash> and the unlock problem is still present?
[13:17] <[Terra]> brainwash: locking works, but unlocking just gives me a flash of the unlocked session and then locks again. Only way to get back into the session seems to be to kill the light-locker from another vtty
[13:18] <[Terra]> But this is an improvement :-)
[13:18] <brainwash> you should kill and start light-locker in debug mode again
[13:19] <ochosi> good catch brainwash
[13:19] <brainwash> then upload the output after triggering the problem
[13:22] <[Terra]> brainwash: This gives me quite a lot of output in the terminal.
[13:22] <brainwash> ochosi: we might still need a bug report for this issue, ll should somehow check if the user session can be locked or fails
[13:24] <[Terra]> brainwash: http://pastebin.com/1mZ28DdG
[13:26] <[Terra]> I can't see anything clearly wrong in this output
[13:27] <brainwash> we got "systemd requested session lock" twice
[13:29] <amigamagic> ochosi, what program I have to use to modify xpm border files in the theme? I'm trying with gimp, but then, when I save the file, the alpha is all messed up...
[13:29] <brainwash> [Terra]: we could move the discussion to #xfce-dev where the light-locker devs hang out
[13:29] <[Terra]> Ok.
[15:05] <xubuntu503> hi)))
[15:08] <baizon_> hmm, someone else with this problem? when i start apt-get update the process hangs on "100% [Waiting for headers]"
[15:18] <koegs> baizon_: steam-repo or something?
[15:18] <koegs> i just had to wait really long for a timeout
[15:18] <baizon_> ou ok
[15:18] <baizon_> i didnt wait that long :>
[15:19] <baizon_> let me check
[15:24] <baizon_> koegs: thank you, you were right. The Steam repo gave that long timeout.
[15:25] <koegs> baizon_: same problem here :>
[15:26] <holstein> any ppa can hang you up like that
[15:27] <baizon_> didnt know that. Never had such "problem" before
[15:27] <baizon_> ... so learned something new
[15:28] <zleap> where do i subscribe to the xubuntu discussion list ?
[15:29] <bazhang> !lists
[15:29] <baizon_> bazhang: http://xubuntu.org/help/
[15:29] <baizon_> check under "Mailing lists"
[15:29] <zleap> i have joined the developer list
[15:37] <zleap> when i login to xubuntu i get this http://zleap.net/xubuntu-mega-issues/
[15:37] <zleap> 3 error messages, none of which are even remotely useful in figuring out what is causing the errors
[15:37] <amigamagic> have you tried to click on report problem ?
[15:38] <zleap> yeah
[15:38] <zleap> but where does that report go
[15:39] <amigamagic> no I meaned to have more details on the error
[15:39] <zleap> yeah it does eventually
[15:40] <amigamagic> I think you can read the error details, without have to send the report
[15:40] <zleap> i usually get a dialog box that has a circle thing in the middle eventually it comes up with a list of part of xubuntu,  than at the bottom of that is report problem, click send and the box just closes with no indication its sent it
[15:42] <zleap> amigamagic, but this seems random, it was 3 just now when i logged in usually its 1 or 2
[15:43] <amigamagic> do you mean you "always" get those errors, whenever you login?
[15:43] <zleap> seem to
[15:43] <zleap> but how many seems random
[15:44] <zleap> but the whole thing feels sluggish and unstable,  as if something isn't quite right
[15:44] <xubuntu646> Deal.
[15:45] <amigamagic> zleap, when you first installed xubuntu, you had those errors too?
[15:45] <zleap> i upgraded from xubuntu 13.109
[15:45] <zleap> and yeah there were similar issues there
[15:46] <zleap> i can't re-installas my backup drive is on the way out and I can't afford a new one
[15:46] <zleap> well getting full
[15:46] <holstein> i would look at the graphics support. could be the graphics hardware is not supporting linux.. i'll test with a vesa driver if necessary, to see
[15:47] <amigamagic> zleap, I don't know, I've installed a clean xubuntu 14.04 and never had such problems
[15:47] <zleap> ok
[15:47] <holstein> zleap: not sure what you are saying, but, all hard drives fail, so, if that is the only copy of whatever data you are talking about, you need to develop a plan to back it up
[15:48] <zleap> holstein, i will when i can afford a new external hard disk, i need one anyway as its getting full up
[15:51] <holstein> zleap: in the mean time, you *will* lose that data
[15:51] <zleap> yeah
[15:51] <holstein> zleap: its not a matter of if.. *all* drives fail.. you can search that.. with that in mind, make a plan right now that makes reinstallation a possibility, or *always* run the lts versions and dont upgrade or reinstall so much
[15:52] <zleap> ok
[15:52] <zleap> i have unplugged the external hard disk,  i don't thinik it's going to fail just I don't need it on all the time,
[15:53] <holstein> zleap: oh.. it *is* going to fail.. they *all* do.. you are not being realistic when you say "i dont think its going to fail".. they *all* do
[15:54] <zleap> i know
[15:54] <zleap> but how am I meant to afford a new one,
[15:54] <zleap> i can't so if I lose everything i lose it,  i can't do ANYTHING about it
[15:55] <zleap> There are too many people out there who FREELOAD such as schools who expect everything free
[15:56] <amigamagic> zleap, pendrives are cheap now
[15:56] <amigamagic> so you could use a pendrive as a destination device to backup to
[15:56] <amigamagic> of course if you have hundreds of GBs to backup it's not a solution
[15:57] <zleap> yeah
[15:57] <zleap> well i am fed up of freeloaders so from now on if people want help they can PAY me or get stuffed
[15:58] <zleap> at least then those of us like me who contribute to free software can do so,  as they can afford to do so due to being in proper paid employment
[16:38] <jnj> My laptop seems to sleep when idle for ~10m, I have not enabled this for battery nor ac in settings->power manager, is anyone having this issue? Xubuntu 14.04.
[16:38] <amundsen> hi
[16:39] <amundsen> what kind of updates will i get if i activate the backports repository?
[16:39] <amundsen> all the system will be backportable?
[16:39] <amundsen> just some packages?
[16:39] <amundsen> which ones?
[16:39] <amundsen> thx
[16:41] <Pici> !backports | amundsen
[16:42] <ljunggren> Hi
[16:43] <ljunggren> Is vsync working for you guys? im talking about the check in compositing settings
[17:17] <meek_geek> how to make xubuntu free from ubuntu bloatware ?
[17:17] <Poisoned_Dragon> Don't use xubuntu?
[17:18] <Poisoned_Dragon> I hear arch is "ubuntu bloatware" free.
[17:26] <meek_geek> Poisoned_Dragon, its arch
[17:26] <Poisoned_Dragon> then you're doing it wrong.
[17:27] <meek_geek> Poisoned_Dragon, ??
[17:42] <xubuntu996> Hello everyone. I have a small problem with Xubuntu's 14.04 Terminal Emulator. Each time I start it the first two lines are:
[17:42] <xubuntu996> (sorry wrong key, will write again)
[17:43] <Poisoned_Dragon> how odd
[17:43] <meek_geek> xubuntu996, are you kidding ?
[17:44] <xubuntu996> Heh no, long time since I used a chat... I will write my problem in a bit..
[17:45] <Poisoned_Dragon> can you screen cap it?
[17:46] <xubuntu996> it is not really neccesary, it is just two lines; I just wanted to write it all in a single message. Never mind, the lines are:
[17:46] <xubuntu996> awk: cmd. line:1: //home/juan/.pythonz/ {next} {print}
[17:46] <xubuntu996> awk: cmd. line:1:             ^ syntax error
[17:47] <xubuntu996> Also, the $PATH variable is wrong, if I ask for its value I get:
[17:47] <xubuntu996> echo $PATH
[17:47] <xubuntu996>    /home/juan/.pythonz/bin:
[17:49] <xubuntu996> The problem started after upgrading to Xubuntu 14.04. I already filed a bug report a few days ago: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-terminal/+bug/1309748
[17:50] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh, I can't help. I did a clean install
[17:51] <xubuntu996> Thanks for your interest, Poisoned_Dragon :-D It is not a big problem, just a bit annoying having to enter the correct PATH by hand each time I use the terminal.
[17:52] <Poisoned_Dragon> i understand
[17:56] <brainwash> xubuntu996: appears to be some mess up due to user specific config files
[17:58] <brainwash> and not related to xfce4-terminal at all
[17:59] <xubuntu686> Sorry, anyone help me? I can't install Adobe Flash Plugin
[18:00] <brainwash> hey, why can't you install it?
[18:01] <xubuntu686> I try to install it in Ubuntu Software Center, but it say: "Package dependencies cannot be resolved"
[18:01] <meek_geek> xubuntu686, install xubuntu restricted extras
[18:02] <brainwash> well, open a terminal window and run "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer"
[18:02] <brainwash> this should produce some helpful error output
[18:03] <xubuntu686> open terminal and it say:
[18:03] <xubuntu686> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation:  The following packages have unmet dependencies:  flashplugin-installer : Depends: libnss3-1d but it is not going to be installed          
[18:03] <brainwash> it's xubuntu 14.04? or older?
[18:03] <xubuntu686> 14.04
[18:04] <brainwash> ok, now try "sudo apt-get install libnss3-1d"
[18:04] <xubuntu686> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation:  The following packages have unmet dependencies:  libnss3-1d : Depends: libnss3 (= 2:3.15.3.1-1) but 2:3.15.4-1ubuntu7 is to be installed E
[18:05] <xubuntu686> you have held broken packages.
[18:05] <brainwash> that's not ideal
[18:07] <xubuntu686> anyway, thank you for your help brainwash
[18:08] <brainwash> already giving up?
[18:08] <brainwash> :)
[18:08] <xubuntu686> I'm searching for help
[18:13] <xubuntu996> brainwash: Thanks for your help! If you or anyone can direct me to which config files do I need to erase / modify, it would be greatly appreciated (if not, never mind, I will look around a bit on my own) :-)
[18:14] <brainwash> xubuntu996: not quite sure why you face this package conflict
[18:14] <brainwash> woops
[18:15] <meek_geek> brainwash, ed
[18:15] <meek_geek> heh
[18:15] <xubuntu996> :)
[18:16] <brainwash> xubuntu686: I suggest you also ask in #ubuntu, maybe someone knows how to resolve your package conflict
[18:16] <brainwash> xubuntu996: the hidden config files in your home dir, like .profile and .bashrc
[18:17] <xubuntu996> Thanks, brainwash
[18:17] <xubuntu686> yay, thank you brainwash :D
[18:17] <brainwash> these files get sourced when you start the terminal
[19:25] <starrats> Has Bluetooth on startup given anyone problems with any issues that anyone is aware of?
[19:26] <starrats> Does gnome versus KDE at startup make a difference?
[19:32] <zleap> what is the proper executable name for the disks utility found on the menu please
[19:32] <zleap> i can't find it
[19:32] <elfy> zleap: if you're talking about what I think it is gnome-disks
[19:32] <zleap> ok
[19:32] <zleap> thanks
[19:35] <zleap> ok installed and need to fimd where it is on the menu
[19:35] <zleap> or how to run it
[19:38] <elfy> I think it will be in the settings manager
[19:39] <zleap> ok found it
[19:39] <zleap> ok got it
[20:59] <Kekai> My panels are frozen
[20:59] <Kekai> I can access apps through F3
[21:00] <mapps> hm
[21:00] <mapps> frozen how?
[21:01] <Kekai> I can't click anything not in an app window
[21:02] <Kekai> I try to switch apps and it ont work
[21:05] <Kekai> Can one help me?
[21:07] <mapps> not me sorry
[21:09] <elfy> Kekai: try Alt+F2 then xfce4-panel --restart then Launch it
[21:26] <tsaavik> hey guys, just upgraded to 14.04 and having trouble with my application shortcuts. I'm trying to call my 'volmute.sh' script with my mute key, but the bash script isn't being run when I press the button
[21:27] <tsaavik> http://tinyurl.com/n7uag48
[21:33] <Pavel_s_cz> Hello everybody, I am dealing with some problems in xubuntu 14.04 which somebody could probably help me with. First one is the problem with VLC and LightLocker, I am not sure what happend, but it seems VLC doesn't know how to switch off the screensaver via Lightlocker, does anybody of you deal with similar problem?
[21:33] <tsaavik> I just shake the mouse, kinda used to it when watching youtube videos :D
[21:34] <tsaavik> its not as annoying if you have it set to lock 10 seconds after it enables
[21:35] <tsaavik> "Delay locking the screensaver for"
[21:35] <Pavel_s_cz> Well little bit awkward.. isn't it?
[21:36] <Pavel_s_cz> tsaavik: I am not sure what exactly are you describing? You mean to "disable" the screensaver or make the time longer to appear?
[21:36] <tsaavik> have it so that it dosn't immediatly lock
[21:36] <tsaavik> that way if it starts to dim down you can hit mouse or shift key or something to stop it
[21:36] <tsaavik> makes it 100x less annoying then having to re-type your password
[21:37] <Pavel_s_cz> I see.... but I am not always in front of the computer to do such action (watchin movie for example)
[21:37] <tsaavik> then why do you run lightlocker?
[21:38] <Pavel_s_cz> because if I am not watching movie, or I am not working I want the screen off (it is notebook)
[21:40] <brainwash> tsaavik: did you try to reassign your script or some other action to the mute key?
[21:41] <tsaavik> brainwash: I started to, was having trouble finding a key combo that wasn't already in use, lol
[21:41] <tsaavik> will try again
[21:42] <tsaavik> Pavel_s_cz: you could alias or script this    pkill light-locker ; vlc ; light-locker --lock-after-screensaver=5
[21:43] <Pavel_s_cz> I found the description of this behavior on bugs.launchpad https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-locker/+bug/1309744 but it is not recognized as bug because this weird explanation : If "lock after screensaver" is enabled for light-locker the screen is locked after build-in X screensaver is activated.
[21:43] <Pavel_s_cz> The getting blanked is screensaver kicking in. That probably means that the build-in X screensaver isn't inhibitted.This would mean that the same blanking happend even is light-locker is not used.
[21:43] <Pavel_s_cz> Well does anybody know what the "internal screen saver" is? I though thats the Lightlocker functionality (but obviously I am maybe wrong?)
[21:44] <tsaavik> I use xscreensaver
[21:44] <Pavel_s_cz> ubottu: thanks I have not seen this bug
[21:44] <brainwash> the screen saver functionality of the X server
[21:45] <brainwash> which is simple screen blanking
[21:45] <Pavel_s_cz> brainwash: well I thought this is the xscreensaver exactly
[21:45] <tsaavik> ubottu are you an intelligent bot?
[21:45] <tsaavik> damn, was hoping for a star trek like AI loop
[21:46] <brainwash> Pavel_s_cz: xscreensaver is an application
[21:46] <Pavel_s_cz> brainwash: aha.... my mistake then
[21:47] <Pavel_s_cz> Generally, there is some api vlc calls, right?
[21:47] <brainwash> to do what?
[21:47] <Pavel_s_cz> to disable to get the screen off
[21:47] <tsaavik> brainwash: bingo, ctrl-alt-shift-minus worked, lol
[21:48] <Pavel_s_cz> I don't know.. via dpms probably?
[21:48] <tsaavik> Pavel_s_cz: didn't see any switches or stuff in map page
[21:48] <tsaavik> man*
[21:48] <brainwash> Pavel_s_cz: I would guess that it simply emulates keyboard/mouse events
[21:49] <tsaavik> brainwash: do I need to edit what the XF86Audiomute function does?
[21:49] <brainwash> tsaavik: the script isn't broken, right?
[21:49] <brainwash> only the key mapping is
[21:49] <tsaavik> brainwash: totally works when not bound to the 'mute' key
[21:49] <tsaavik> yes
[21:50] <tsaavik> I could run xbindkeys or something I guess /shrug
[21:50] <brainwash> maybe
[21:51] <Pavel_s_cz> brainwash: from the log of vlc
[21:51] <Pavel_s_cz> [0x7f9940005fb8] main window debug: using vout window xid module "qt4"
[21:51] <Pavel_s_cz> [0x7f9940006188] main inhibit debug: looking for inhibit module matching "any": 2 candidates
[21:51] <Pavel_s_cz> [0x7f9940006188] dbus_screensaver inhibit debug: cannot find service org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver
[21:51] <Pavel_s_cz> [0x7f9940006188] dbus_screensaver inhibit debug: cannot find service org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.Inhibit
[21:51] <Pavel_s_cz> [0x7f9940006188] dbus_screensaver inhibit debug: cannot find service org.mate.SessionManager
[21:51] <Pavel_s_cz> [0x7f9940006188] dbus_screensaver inhibit debug: cannot find service org.gnome.SessionManager
[21:51] <Pavel_s_cz> [0x7f9940006188] main inhibit debug: using inhibit module "xdg_screensaver"
[21:51] <Pavel_s_cz> it looks it tries some known screensavers?
[21:52] <brainwash> right, via dbus
[21:52] <Pavel_s_cz> and dbus is missing?
[21:53] <brainwash> no, it simply does not affect the screen saver timeout of the X server
[21:53] <brainwash> usually screensaver apps override it
[21:54] <brainwash> and these screensaver apps can be messaged via dbus
[21:54] <brainwash> you could install this little app -> https://launchpad.net/caffeine
[21:55] <brainwash> "A status bar application able to temporarily prevent the activation of both the screensaver and the "sleep" powersaving mode."
[21:55] <Pavel_s_cz> brainwash: ok, so the problem is there is no dbus, the screensaver app can not get the message? If there is appropriate screensaver app and dbus then it could work?
[21:55] <brainwash> I guess so
[21:56] <brainwash> like xscreensaver or gnome-screensaver
[21:57] <Pavel_s_cz> brainwash: So.. to use it with lightlocker, there has to be the support for this appliacation from VLC and working dbus...?
[21:57] <brainwash> light-locker activates automatically (timed) when the screen blanks
[21:58] <tsaavik> intersting, I lost my keycode for mute, yet I can assign it in the keyboard shortcuts?!
[21:58] <tsaavik> or xev is broke?
[21:59] <brainwash> Pavel_s_cz: I suggest that you add your findings to the bug report
[21:59] <Pavel_s_cz> brainwash: In the Lightlocker settings there is possibility to set the balnk screen after....
[21:59] <Pavel_s_cz> brainwash: ok... thanks for your help
[21:59] <brainwash> tsaavik: xev broken.. not that likely :)
[21:59] <tsaavik> didn't think so, is there some weird 'extended mode' or something?
[22:01] <tsaavik> I get the same for my mute and vol up/down (hope this pastes well)
[22:01] <tsaavik> KeymapNotify event, serial 28, synthetic NO, window 0x0,
[22:01] <tsaavik>     keys:  91  0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
[22:01] <tsaavik>            0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
[22:03] <brainwash> what about xbindkeys -k?
[22:04] <tsaavik> nothing
[22:04] <tsaavik> wonder if my layout got changed during the upgrade
[22:04] <brainwash> are multimedia keys part of the kb layout? :)
[22:05] <tsaavik> I had them working in 10.04/12.04
[22:05] <brainwash> but sadly I got no real clue what might be missing here or broken
[22:05] <tsaavik> was using xbindkeys in the past, but thought I was on builtin on 12.04
[22:06] <brainwash> does the xbindkeys solution still work?
[22:08] <Poisoned_Dragon> I had to pull light-locker for gnome-screensaver. But, I might go back again, to see if the solution I found with logind.conf will work with light-locker.
[22:10] <brainwash> sounds like you are talking about the suspend via lid close problem
[22:11] <gdi2k> I have a fresh install of xubuntu 14.04, but thumbnails are not loading - neither in Thunar nor in Ristretto. how can I fix that?
[22:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> yuo, brainwash
[22:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> turns out, I fixed it with the lid switch inhibitor option.
[22:13] <brainwash> gdi2k: rename ~/.thumbnails and test again
[22:13] <gdi2k> k
[22:13] <gdi2k> should I be restarting tumblerd? it is running:
[22:14] <gdi2k> gdi2k@x200:~$ ps ax | grep tumbler
[22:14] <gdi2k>  9214 ?        SNl    0:01 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/tumbler-1/tumblerd
[22:15] <brainwash> worth a try
[22:16] <brainwash> maybe even relog
[22:16] <gdi2k> will log out and back in - not sure how to launch tumblerd from terminal correctly
[22:18] <Pavel_s_cz> Poisoned_Dragon: Could you be more specific please? How exactly have you fixed it?
[22:19] <gdi2k> brainwash, the first handful of thumbs in my home directory now show correctly, but the rest not. it looks like when it reaches the first video (an avi file), no more thumbs appear
[22:20] <Poisoned_Dragon> Pavel_s_cz, in /etc/systemd/logind.conf there is a commented line that looks like this: #LidSwitchIgnoreInhibited=yes
[22:20] <brainwash> tumbler is known to crash a lot when dealing with video files
[22:20] <Poisoned_Dragon> commented lines in logind.conf are the default options. So, when you want to change it, you uncomment that line and set the variable.
[22:21] <Poisoned_Dragon> Setting LidSwitchIgnoreInhibited= to no fixed my problem.
[22:21] <brainwash> gdi2k: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tumbler/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0
[22:21] <brainwash> we got quite a few crash reports
[22:22] <gdi2k> brainwash, ok looks like it may be what I have - can I selectively disable video thumbnailing?
[22:22] <brainwash> via settings, mmh, don't know
[22:23] <brainwash> I usually don't use it at all
[22:24] <gdi2k> brainwash, looks like I can mod settings in /etc/xdg/tumbler/tumbler.rc
[22:24] <gdi2k> thanks for pointing me in the right direction :)
[22:24] <brainwash> great :)
[22:30] <gdi2k> brainwash, disabling all the video related plugins solves the issue - all regular image thumbs load now at least
[22:30] <gdi2k> thank you
[22:31] <gdi2k> next issue: Skype notifications do not work if the Compositor is enabled. Any way to fix that? I like the compositor, but skype notifications are essential for me unfortunately
[22:32] <brainwash> can't have both things :P
[22:32] <gdi2k> (they actually work, they are just invisible - if an incoming call comes in and I can hear it ringing, I can actually click where the "answer" button would be and get the call. of course I don't know who is calling at that point. I also miss incoming messages etc. it's a paing)
[22:32] <gdi2k> lol, yeh, would be too easy ;)
[22:32] <brainwash> that's annoying
[22:33] <ochosi> feel free to tell microsoft that skype on linux could use some improvement </irony>
[22:33] <gdi2k> ochosi, hehe - if I didn't have to use Skype I woudn't!
[22:34] <gdi2k> cannot understand why they can't just use the standard notification stuff that's already ther
[22:35] <ochosi> i think there is a patch for that even
[22:35] <ochosi> some python wrapper for skype
[22:35] <ochosi> you could give that a try
[22:37] <gdi2k> ochosi, yes I have tried that. I have it working for incoming messages, but I can't just open the messages by clicking on the notification, which is annoying. for incoming calls, they disabled the function that allows you to bring up a full window rather than use the notification, so it doesn't work
[22:37] <gdi2k> (unless you can consistently guess the location of the answer button, but the reject button is dangerously close!)
[22:38]  * ochosi shrugs
[22:38] <ochosi> then i dunno
[22:38] <ochosi> back to reporting a bug to microsoft i guess ;)
[23:32] <imyerrow> hey guys i just installed xubuntu 14.04, i hover my mouse near the bottom, but the application launcher doesn't show up
[23:33] <amigamagic> there isn't
[23:33] <imyerrow> oh that was removed
[23:33] <amigamagic> you have the whisker menu, so that is no more needed
[23:33] <holstein> imyerrow: it was just a panel.. add it back if you like
[23:34] <amigamagic> yes, you can add it and place all the launchers you want
[23:34] <holstein> a transparent panel that is not stretched with bigger icons than average.. that hides
[23:36] <imyerrow> ok thanks guys