[00:08] in my view: anyone who turns into a nutjob should be called a nutjob [00:08] and that's all I have to say on the matter :-p [00:09] I'm just wary of labelling people on that vague a description. "terrorist activities" can mean pretty much anything these days [00:09] obviously definitions of nutjob vary [00:09] sure it can [00:09] but these bunch be it white or asian are barmy [00:09] eg, to the police, almost everything can fall under terrorist activities, because it means they get to use all the nice new super-vague powers they've been given [00:10] yea [00:10] shauno, like stopping our favourite astronaut for having a beard?! [00:10] oh it was his friend. I forgot [00:10] soon, my precious! [00:11] he's sporting a pretty impressive fur these days [00:18] how on earth is the call centre so popular [00:18] watching ep4..onlky because im at work;p [00:19] the adverts were enough to put me off that [00:19] you're four episodes in and complaining people watch it? [00:20] lol [00:20] im at work though shauno [00:20] so im half watching it [00:20] and i cant find much else on 4od/iplayer [00:21] still a bit pot/kettle though [00:22] pah [00:22] recommend me something off iplayer/4od/chan5;p [00:23] heh, I don't (can't) use them. I tend to download whole series to take to work with me [00:28] ah [00:28] i sometimes take my nexus7 with films/tv on [00:28] depends :) [00:34] hi Chaser [01:50] anyone been watching fargo? [01:50] e3 tionight [04:37] mornings like this, I doubt the zombies could tell the difference [05:58] morning [05:58] sup shauno [06:10] hello all [06:18] hey MooDoo [06:26] moin [07:08] Morning all [07:08] morning diplo [07:11] morning [07:12] Mate shut down his VPS last night I'm guessing, lost my irssi conn and configs :/ [07:14] :( [07:14] what you need is a small rackspace cloud server [07:14] :P [07:14] Or digital ocean [07:14] which is what I use for irc. [07:14] ooooor rackspace [07:15] * nigelb looks at SuperMatt [07:15] Do you work at Rackspace? :P [07:15] noooooooooooooyes [07:16] nigelb, I now have a DO droplet, just not touched it in a few weeks [07:16] Busy.. [07:16] SuperMatt, do them as cheap as DO ? [07:16] I did check them out at one point I'm sure [07:16] SuperMatt: heh [07:16] Rackspace potentially has better routing. [07:17] DO has fairly crappy routing :) [07:17] which is fine for the cost. [07:17] I don't know what DO pricing is like, tbh [07:17] cheap :P [07:18] Morning [07:18] one more tea then bed [07:18] :D [07:20] SuperMatt you run your own email server? [07:21] mapps stay awake with us that have to work during the day! [07:21] mapps like we do overnight with you :-p [07:21] (well, I do, and shauno sometimes does) [07:22] pfffffff [07:22] email servers are a pain [07:22] mapps: yeah [07:22] no chance...) [07:22] yea [07:22] i was hoping someone could point me in the direction ofa good tutorial [07:22] Especially when they run exchange (: [07:22] though I route my email out via mailgun [07:22] so i can just mess about and learn how to do it [07:22] I found the ubuntu community help page is good [07:23] what do you use then dovecot/postfix what kinda thing [07:23] but I'll be serious: install webmin. Use that to turn on and off options and stuff until you find it works [07:23] dovecot and postfix, yes [07:23] anything else? [07:23] dovecot and postfix are pretty much the only sane option IMO [07:23] you dont need anything else for it to work? [07:24] I did run a dovecot/qmail for a while. qmail is esoteric [07:24] i could try webmin but i think id have to compile from source as my apache install was manual? and when i installed zentyal it screwedthings up:) [07:24] for qmail to be secure/useful you need to patch it up the wazoo [07:24] yea [07:24] so all i need is dovecot and postfix? [07:24] coolies [07:24] webmin.... is that now working with ubuntu? [07:24] !webmin [07:24] webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system. [07:25] ah, fair enough [07:25] ah [07:25] o_O [07:25] so is that a yes..thats all i need?:D [07:25] what exactly is incompatible about the way it handles config files? [07:26] someone answer me:( [07:26] diddledan: I have actually no idea to be honest, and they may have fixored it... [07:26] !-webmin [07:26] webmin has no aliases - added by Seveas on 2006-06-18 19:18:33 - last edited by tsimpson on 2011-03-03 21:32:45 [07:26] sorry, mapps , yes postfix and dovecot will provide both incoming and outgoing support [07:26] ive got another question ..maybe SuperMatt knows is it possible to change it from /~user on mod_userdir [07:26] old factoid.. [07:26] so like http://ip/user [07:26] no ~ [07:27] i couldn't see anywhere in the config [07:28] mapps you might want to add some extras for email scanning or routing to folders such as procmail (the latter) and spamassassin/clamav (the former) [07:28] yea id read about clamav [07:28] i was just a bit confused reading about MTA etc [07:28] what exactly are dovecot/postfix [07:29] MTA is the part that postfix provides : "mail transfer agent" - the smtp side [07:29] and what does dovecot provide [07:30] mapps: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer [07:30] that's what I used [07:30] the other one is MDA I believe or Mail Delivery Agent which is a combo of dovecot for serving it out to the end-user's client and procmail for delivery-time filtering into specific folders [07:30] but you've got to have a good grasp of how mail works [07:31] in fact yes, before anyone sets up a mailserver *ever* they need to have a good grasp of how email works [07:31] I'm tired of explaining to people why their servers are sending out spam and why I simply can't unblock them from spam lists [07:31] heh [07:32] SuperMatt I guess you get alot of that kind of request [07:32] i understand email basics, smtp/imap/pop3 but not too knowledgable on MTA/MDA [07:33] il read that page thanks SuperMatt [07:33] yeah, I think that's the best place to start [07:33] any idea about my 2nd question? which isnt really important [07:33] its more just curious if its possible [07:33] what was the question? [07:34] well ive got apache working with mod_userdir so http://frogs.zapto.org/~mark is it possible to make it /mark not ~/mark [07:34] i know i could do some kinda redir or mod_rewrite i think [07:35] you could use mod_rewrite to silently convert from /foo to /~foo [07:35] yea [07:36] thats what i thought..so no way of doing it in the actual config file..i did check the config file and couldnt see anything [07:36] RewriteRule /([^~].*) /~$1 [07:36] the rewrite rule can go in the config file [07:36] you can change the userdir from public_html to something else..but i couldnt see any point..i guess most people just stick with public_html? [07:37] there's no requirement for rewrites to be controlled solely by .htaccess files [07:37] yea [07:40] thanks [07:40] il read that ubuntu community page at work tomorrow [07:40] :D === bashrc_ is now known as bashc [08:03] morning [08:05] o/ [08:09] Wow, I've not upgraded either of my main work systems to Trusty yet. Something is clearly wrong, or I have too much work on. [08:10] Does anybody know when "do-release-upgrade -d" will be available for testing 14.04 to 14.10 upgrades [08:13] I may stay on 14.04 on the work machine, since its an LTS [08:13] whats -d for [08:14] mapps - development version [08:14] development release [08:19] I've not yet upgraded a single computer 12.04 to 14.04 === msm is now known as Guest75252 [08:23] I haz bacon :-D [08:24] \o/ [08:30] nice TheOpenSourcerer [08:31] yes please, :) [08:33] I had bacon :-( [08:34] mmmm Bacon [08:44] someone say bacon? [08:44] Jono Bacon ? [08:44] DJones: he's not a piece of meat you know ;) [08:45] MooDoo: Probably won't fit between 2 slices of bread either [08:47] depends how big the slices of bread are. [08:49] anyone successfully got evolution ews working with recent exchange/o365? [08:56] Anyone noticed gnome-tweak-tool going crazy when you switch options? [08:56] oh wow it is actually working [08:59] !bug [08:59] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [08:59] oops sorry [09:01] !bug 786325 [09:01] bug 786325 in compiz (Ubuntu) "Unable to change mouse cursor theme and size" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/786325 === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [10:02] Morning all [10:02] davmor2: sir, how the devil are you? [10:03] MooDoo: better than you if FB feed is anything to go by :) [10:03] davmor2: raaaaa [10:06] MooDoo ranting on facebook? He never does that :/ [10:06] smittix: shut it you or I'll victor meldrew your a** [10:06] :D [10:06] meh [10:08] hold your horses there, people have facebooks that I'm not stalking?! [10:08] Anyone know if Spotify are still actively developing their Ubuntu client? [10:08] :-p [10:08] heh [10:08] I stalk you all on Google+ [10:08] I really should g+ more [10:08] * smittix goes back into the shadows. [10:09] I like G+ [10:09] I need to connect with more like minded folk. [10:09] facebook is where my family are, and g+ is where the geeks are [10:09] :) [10:10] if only I could get my family to move [10:10] Yeah but then you'd have to get their friends to move and then their friends and then their friends. [10:10] For them to stay heh [10:10] indeed [10:10] I've tried closing facebook, but either get moaned at coz my family are on at, or the damn devil keeps making me re-open my account. [10:12] I found a really easy way to get rid of fb [10:12] just wait until a sibling has their first child. you'll never open it again [10:13] luckily my sis has already had her kids lol [10:16] i only have my family on fb, nobody else [10:17] hmmm no there is a plan [10:17] I follow the typical Facebook profile. I was on it from the early days when it first was opened to the general public rather than just ivy league universities. Stopped using it in 2010, closed account in 2011 then rejoined at the end of 2013 [10:17] and only really use it for keeping in touch with them and seeing updates from kids school and dance class [10:17] popey: thats a good idea [10:17] works for me [10:17] my reasons for re-joining were similar to those given by James Vasile in a Freedombox talk [10:17] I may do that. I wil delete MooDoo first. [10:17] wise [10:18] :P [10:18] how many times have you deleted your fb account now MooDoo ? ☻ [10:18] (I have once) [10:18] yeah, that MooDoo, shady character.. [10:18] deleting MooDoo is always on my wishlist [10:18] :-p [10:18] MooDoo: THe best soluttion is to keep it deactivated [10:18] and activate only when/if needed. [10:18] I have a big fat pimple. it hurts. this sucks. [10:18] nigelb: When you need to stalk? [10:18] * diddledan carries on cleaning his gun [10:18] * TheOpenSourcerer is pondering deleting his LinkedIn account - beginning to really dislike them [10:18] TheOpenSourcerer: I thought about it. [10:19] But if you delete your linkedin account [10:19] Facebook is the lowest on my social media food chain. I use Friendica which posts to pump.io which posts to Twitter which posts to Facebook [10:19] TheOpenSourcerer: I did that a few months ago, was getting tons of spam [10:19] those connection requests and it's reminders keep coming :( [10:19] unfortunately linked in is a big part of my work... [10:19] (I have a paid linked in account) [10:19] TheOpenSourcerer: I constantly get recruitment agencies adding me and IT suppliers. Fills my inbox [10:19] procmail vs linkedin \o/ [10:19] I do not like their Ts & Cs one iota. [10:20] smittix: Im an IT supplier - can I add you? :P :P :P [10:20] I joined a load of linkedin groups related to my line-of-work. BIG N00B mistake! [10:20] I junked it years ago. it started off bad, and just got worse. it's near useless now. [10:20] When you get bored read this: http://www.hrexaminer.com/why-i-killed-my-linkedin-account/ [10:20] i deleted my linkedin [10:20] me too [10:21] smittix: actually, curiousity question - How would you actually _like_ prospective suppliers to contact you? [10:21] now I have emails daily with things highlighted along the lines of "in which country you are developer?" (exact phrasing!) [10:21] jussi: what does paying for it give you? [10:21] nigelb: nope, you can block the connection requests too [10:21] popey: OH. HOW? [10:21] link at the bottom [10:21] i have had to do it 3 times, once per main email address I use [10:21] nigelb: seeing full profiles, who looks at your profile and such things. oh and inmails to contact people outside your network [10:21] jussi: To be honest I've never thought about it. I like to approach them first I guess. [10:21] i never see them now [10:21] I never had those work. [10:21] I keep unsubscribing. [10:22] * smittix is trying steam on ubuntu for the first time. [10:22] there's an extra "never send me this crap" button [10:22] * popey hugs steam [10:22] I rarely use LN and really think people can find me if they need to. [10:22] I've got rid of most of them. it's just the "foo is still waiting for your reply" that they send using the user's email address rather than their own [10:22] smittix: so I guess the question is then, how do you find new suppliers? [10:22] As I can find them [10:22] yeah, the whole social referral thing is overrated [10:22] jussi: I hunt them down on the interwebz [10:23] jussi: But I like to go with recommendations from people I know. [10:23] smittix: works fine, downloaded a few games last night for it :D [10:23] the referral thing went down the pan when they started fishing for recommendations on your behalf. and then your friends feel obligated to fill them out because they think *you* are asking *them*, rather than just the systel trolling them [10:23] MooDoo: Is CSS available? [10:23] smittix: hrm, ok. [10:23] smittix: I think that's the one I've downloaded... [10:23] smittix: I play css all the time :d [10:23] MooDoo: That and BF2 is all I ever play. [10:24] smittix: I'll have to come onto to a server with you so you can see how bad I play :) [10:24] I play CSS and HTML and PHP [10:24] MooDoo: haha [10:24] * smittix looks at diddledan [10:24] hmm, prison architect is only £6.79 now, was £14.99 [10:24] diddledan: is HTML POV? [10:24] lol [10:25] I've recently been playing OpenSpades a lot [10:25] so much fun [10:25] is that like hearts? [10:25] diddledan: and how do you strafe in php? ??? [10:25] no idea [10:25] otherwise known these days as "the windows xp card game" [10:26] no [10:26] a cross between minecraft and tf2 [10:26] :-p [10:26] voxel based shooting and destruction [10:26] close [10:26] its very funny [10:26] * diddledan googles [10:26] can one google with bing? [10:26] * smittix faints [10:26] hrm, anyone know a decent "red alert" or "starcraft" type game for linux? [10:27] the age of empires clone is rubbish [10:27] jussi: openra [10:27] MooDoo: No you press shift and the arrow keys like any other 1st person death trap you play [10:27] diddledan: is it actually decent+ [10:27] jussi: I'd like to know that also, I loved Red Alert "Cha' Ching" [10:27] tanya was a hottie [10:28] aye [10:28] :D yep [10:28] jussi: http://openra.res0l.net/ <-- it's a direct clone [10:28] diddledan: yeah, its already installing... :P [10:29] Battlefield 2 isn't available :( [10:30] jussi: Downloaded the package? [10:30] smittix: that's the downside, lots of windows games aren't available. [10:30] smittix: yes [10:30] MooDoo: HL2 DM is though w00t [10:31] Let's see how my Optimus performs, eek. [10:31] jussi, for more recent fare I've been meaning to play "wargame: airland battle" and "wargame european escalation" but don't know whether they're available on loonicks yet [10:32] diddledan: Im not much of a gamer really, I do like red alert and heroes3 :D [10:32] Someone should make a Valhalla clone for linux [10:32] If there isn't one already [10:32] oh and civ3, but my CD of that went missing :( [10:33] you know that feeling when you wake up more tired than when you went to sleep, If you've had that for a few days and haven't flown anywhere that is a bad thing right [10:33] davmor2: welcome to my life [10:33] davmor2: I've had that for 5.5 years, it's called children [10:33] MooDoo: HEH [10:33] openra doesn't do the single-player campaign, which diminishes its usefulness [10:34] davmor2: the more sleep I have the worse I feel [10:34] last I heard they're working on that. they've stuffed lua in there sideways so they can script the missions [10:34] davmor2: I stick to about 5.5 hours [10:34] in terms of strategy games, look at http://store.steampowered.com/search/?snr=1_4_4__12&term=#category1=998&os=linux&genre=Strategy&sort_order=ASC&page=1 [10:35] I stick to 1-3 hours sleep, and then just don't wake up on saturday [10:35] Dota 2 is supposed to be pretty decent [10:35] shauno: I'd love that but with a 2.5 year old and a 5.5 year old, it doesn't work like that lol [10:36] someone keeps wanting to trade with me on steam [10:36] Oh no, Goat Simulator isn't available either. Don't know what I'm going to do down. [10:36] offering me 4 TF2 things for a pair of earbuds [10:36] smittix: nethack [10:36] s/down/now [10:37] goat simulator port has been contracted, but not completed [10:37] you know, its really fun to make up your own names for acronyms when you arent familiar with them... [10:38] like for me, DOTA becomes "DEATH of the Apple" :P [10:38] jussi: Team Fortress 2 at a guess [10:39] davmor2: TF2? Tragic Fails 2? :P :P [10:40] jussi: not Total Fubar 2 then? [10:40] ooh, that one is good! [10:40] :D [10:40] Totally F#¤KED 2? :P [10:41] errr... that may have sounded a little too NSFW.... maybe we should move on... [10:43] jussi: man your spelling of Thanked there is too street for me :) [10:43] Totally Fanked 2 [10:43] hah! [10:44] what's wrong with regularly FSCKing your disks? [10:45] Total Freecall 2 - Open Source version of the hit movie [10:45] diddledan: but this is Totally FSCKED 2 how much fscking can happen till a disk is totalled [10:45] lol [10:45] smittix is that an 0800 memory service? [10:45] haha [10:46] 2 weeeeeeks [10:46] I think if problems occur during FSCK you can lose data [10:46] she was in the remake, too [10:46] so use FSCK sparingly [10:47] diddledan: I refuse to watch it. [10:48] there were no aliens [10:48] No mutants? [10:48] nope [10:48] Please tell me Quatto was in it? [10:48] popey, earbuds are one of the four standard barter currencies in the tf2 economy [10:49] he was, but he wasn't in anyone's belly [10:49] diddledan: That's not good enough [10:49] directhex: what does that mean? ☻ [10:49] earbuds are worth 18.5 keys. [10:49] he said he was collecting for a charity of some bs [10:50] yeah, that's BS [10:51] buds are one of the most valuable standard barter items. converted price is about 35USD [10:51] heh [10:51] 107.95 up front and 2.25 pm for whole year of phone and broadband \o/ [10:52] directhex: he's offering me money now ☻ [10:52] there are three standard units of exchange [10:52] "buds" are the apple earbuds given to early users of steam on mac. because the supply is fixed, they are usable as a commodity trade item. [10:53] he offered 20 eur ☻ [10:53] "keys" are purchased for cash, and needed to open occasional "crate" rewards from the game. you can buy them for £1.49 each from valve [10:54] "ref" is "refined metal", it's the basic input material for crafting tf2 items. people need ref in order to create specific desired items. it's the lowest value common trade currency. it's about 145 ref to 1 bud [10:54] he's offering paypal money [10:55] which I guess he'll pull back once the sale is done? [10:56] "bill's hat" has fallen out of fashion as a currency [10:56] popey, he might. might not. €20 is undervaluing it, it might be a legit offer where the only scamming is offering you 20% under its value [10:57] damn keyboard [10:57] popey, trading for steam games is safer, if you have games you want [11:00] Awesome, HL2DM runs perfect. [11:00] yeah, wise [11:00] was gonna ask for 50USD ☻ [11:00] * popey looks on his wishlist instead [11:01] MooDoo: When we doing this CSS game [11:02] smittix: is it you and MooDoo behind http://www.winstructions.net/ ? [11:02] smittix: dunno yet, I'll try and get on later this evening, I'll message you later about ti [11:02] popey: Yeah [11:02] no news for a month.. no news is good news! [11:02] popey: yes it was a side project :D [11:02] popey: I know :( [11:02] popey: I think we're getting sidetracked abit with ubuntu stuff lol [11:02] you should put up an article about this microsoft event where they're showing off their Linux phones ☻ http://www.eventbrite.com/e/mobilemonday-tampere-presents-arcticevening-and-nokia-x-tickets-11399737923 [11:02] popey, it's a $35 item. take a little less since you're not actually interested in the item - but not a lot less since that's just not needed [11:03] directhex: kk [11:04] popey: Had you bookmarked the site or something? [11:04] wonder if we can get the founders of omg ubuntu to do one omg windows lol [11:04] smittix: no, i just remembered it [11:04] ahh [11:04] well, my browser did when I typed "win" [11:04] brain the site of a planet has our popey ;() [11:04] and this pain in the diodes down my left hand side [11:05] popey: I have been concentrating on linux and smittix.co.uk [11:05] how about omgsurface [11:06] omg-extreame-ironing.co.uk :) [11:06] OMGNostartmenu [11:06] I do quite like Windows 8 though [11:07] i have considered setting up a site with just ubuntu phone news and stuff on it. maybe some videos [11:07] darn it, I wish windows would mark text like it does in a putty shell lol [11:07] I didn't care that they had changed to the start screen/dash. [11:07] popey: called phabulous? [11:07] popey: do it :) [11:07] popey: Ubuntu Mobile would be good [11:07] for tabs too? [11:07] damn that reminds me I have to send in the form for ubuntu.technology [11:08] foobarry: yeah ☻ [11:09] darn darn trademanrk agreement. [11:09] moobuntu ? [11:11]