[06:17] <Kilos> morning jabberwocky93  Spekko  and others
[06:17] <Kilos> hi Xethron  
[06:18] <Spekko> morning Kilos and others
[06:18] <Kilos> have you fixed it yet
[06:18] <Spekko> Maaz should have a greet all method
[06:18] <Spekko> hmm me ?
[06:18] <jabberwocky93> more Kilos :-)
[06:19] <Kilos> no Xethron  
[06:19] <Spekko> aaah
[06:19] <Kilos> his lappy keeps crashing
[06:20] <Spekko> Which laptop does he have ?
[06:20] <Xethron> haha
[06:20] <Xethron> Acer
[06:20] <jabberwocky93> must be a telkom laptop :P
[06:20] <Xethron> hahaha
[06:20] <Spekko> rofl!
[06:20] <Kilos> hi Xethron  ideas man
[06:20] <Xethron> Nope, thats why I want a new one
[06:21] <Spekko> Did it start crashing after 14.04 >
[06:21] <Spekko> ?
[06:21] <Kilos> did you see the link for ubuntu pcs
[06:21] <Xethron> I was looking at system76, but its R2,000.00 for shipping
[06:21] <Kilos> they expensive but all ubuntu
[06:21] <Kilos> ouch
[06:21] <Kilos> ok lets try sort yours
[06:21] <Kilos> first how old is the drive
[06:22] <Xethron> Spekko: Nope, since I put Linux on it
[06:22] <Xethron> Kilos: If it was the drive, I would get an error and not a complete crash
[06:22] <Xethron> I assume it could be the RAM
[06:23] <Xethron> But then I assume it should be total RAM failure
[06:23] <jabberwocky93> Xethron: anything useful in the syslogs?
[06:23] <Kilos> yes ram too but easy to check the drive
[06:23] <Xethron> jabberwocky93: nope, nothing
[06:23] <Kilos> i kept crashing here and it was the drive
[06:23] <Spekko> Xethron: How old is the machine ?
[06:23] <Kilos> lemme find a command
[06:23] <Xethron> Kilos: yes, but mine doesn't crash, it freezes solid. Screen still looks fine, but it freezes
[06:24] <Xethron> Nothing moves, not even sysRq Reboot works
[06:24] <jabberwocky93> use the live iso and run the mem test on it for a few hours
[06:24] <Kilos> ya thats what mine did too
[06:24] <Xethron> Kilos: and it was the drive? You sure?
[06:24] <Kilos> had to boot again
[06:25] <Xethron> I thought a drive would spout errors as the system runs in memory........
[06:25] <Kilos> yes i now run windows on the first 30g and ubuntu on the rest and no probs
[06:25] <jabberwocky93> Xethron: ah so you know about Raising Elephants Is So Utterly Boring :P
[06:25] <Kilos> got some bad blocks in the first 30g
[06:25] <Xethron> jabberwocky93: hahaha, I didn't know the rhyme, but thats pretty cool :P
[06:25] <Kilos> but there are commands to sort and not use bad blocks
[06:26] <Xethron> As a PHP dev, I'll just change it to ElePHPants :P
[06:27] <Kilos> sudo badblocks -v /dev/sda1 > bad-blocks-result
[06:27] <Private_User> morning all
[06:27] <Xethron> Kilos: but I'll have to run that with a live CD right?
[06:27] <Kilos> hi Private_User  
[06:27] <Kilos> no i ran it on the pc
[06:28] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[06:28] <Kilos> there are extra commands that tell it not to use bad blocks found
[06:28] <Private_User> hi jabberwocky93, Spekko, Xethron, 
[06:28] <jabberwocky93> hehe @ elephpants
[06:28] <jabberwocky93> morning Private_User
[06:29] <Private_User> just read above, you guys sure its not an issue in the BIOS?
[06:29] <Private_User> when I check my CMOS settings there is an option there about the OS on the drive
[06:30] <Spekko> Morning Private_User
[06:30]  * Spekko salutes Private_User
[06:30] <Private_User> at ease soldier
[06:30] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21z8J8GUh
[06:30] <Private_User> :D
[06:31] <jabberwocky93> yeah if SysRq doesn't help it must be something related to cpu/ram/mobo
[06:32] <jabberwocky93> I had an old server also crashing now and then, after many many hours of trial and error replacing some of the caps on the motherboard solved the problem
[06:33] <Kilos> how do you find which caps are the problem ones
[06:34] <Kilos> oh my peer got him
[06:40] <jabberwocky93> Kilos: that was the good work of Active Systems, a small PC shop in stellenbosch
[06:40] <superfly> aloha
[06:40] <Kilos> hi superfly  
[06:40] <Kilos> ah 
[06:41] <jabberwocky93> I can do some tricks with a solder, just about anything except actual soldering
[06:41] <Kilos> i dont remember where i found it , just know i use it on all my old drives
[06:42] <Kilos> just know that linux is much more sensitive to dicey drives than windows is
[06:46] <Kilos> lol jabberwocky93  what you mean by tricks with a solder?
[06:47] <Kilos> i asked how you identify the bad caps
[06:54] <Kilos> ai! 
[07:23] <Kilos> hi Vince-0  
[07:25] <charl_> good morning
[07:25] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[07:26]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[07:26] <Kilos> hi charl_  
[07:26] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[07:27] <charl_> how's it going
[07:27] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee please
[07:27] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[07:27] <Kilos> ok ta and you
[07:29] <charl_> i'm good
[07:29] <jabberwocky93> Kilos: "tricks" like using it to burn a hole in my bike's number plate or lighting crackers ^_^
[07:29] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:30] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_ and Kilos!
[07:30] <Kilos> Maaz  ty
[07:30] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[07:35] <Vince-0> Haai
[07:38] <Kilos> hi Golynx  
[07:38] <Golynx> hi Kilos
[07:38] <charl_> oh new version of firefox today
[07:38] <charl_> hi Golynx 
[07:38] <Golynx> hi charl_
[07:38] <charl_> hi jabberwocky93 
[07:39] <Golynx> ff29 looks like chrome
[07:40] <Golynx> maybe they want to make it easier for chrome people to join them lol
[07:40] <jabberwocky93> hi charl_
[07:41] <Golynx> hi jabberwocky93
[07:45] <charl_> yeah
[08:00] <jabberwocky93> hi Golynx
[08:05] <Kilos> Maaz  tell inetpro Fix it man
[08:05] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure, I'll tell inetpro on freenode
[08:38] <Private_User> hey anybody heard of a company called gTeam previously? 
[09:36] <charl_> hi theblazehen 
[09:36] <theblazehen> hi charl_ 
[09:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> You have to download a total of 803 M. This download will take about 11 hours with your connection.
[09:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> aawww :-(
[09:42] <charl_> whow ! you on 3g?
[09:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> no adsl
[09:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> compare to http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/04/17/%23ubuntu-za.txt
[09:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> [12:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> You have to download a total of 1 290 M. This download will take about 23 minutes with your connection.
[09:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> hence "aawww :-("
[09:49] <Kilos> eina that sucks
[09:59] <charl_> will probably take half a minute here
[10:05] <charl_> i see ipv6 privacy extensions work again on 14.04
[10:05] <charl_> for some reason it was broken on 13.10
[10:05] <charl_> it works perfectly under debian 7 too
[10:05] <charl_> the problem with debian7 is that it accumulates more and more ipv6 addresses until you have like 10 of them
[10:06] <charl_> it seems ubuntu is better at managing it now
[10:50] <nuvolari> o/ lew
[10:51] <Vince-0> 0//
[10:52] <Kilos> lo nuvolari  
[10:55] <theblazehen> hi nuvolari Vince-0 Kilos 
[10:56] <Kilos> hi theblazehen  
[10:57] <Vince-0> surp
[13:05]  * superfly wonders where inetpro is
[13:11] <kbmonkey> hello
[13:14] <superfly> aloha kbmonkey
[13:15] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey  
[13:15] <Kilos> looks like their whole system is down there
[13:15] <Kilos> all 3 are missing
[13:22] <superfly> I would venture that DNS seems to be the problem
[13:22] <kbmonkey> hi superfly & Kilos 
[13:23] <kbmonkey> logged into your minetest server superfly 
[13:23] <superfly> kbmonkey: cool, I'm at work right now...
[13:23] <superfly> maybe I can log in on my phone
[13:23] <Kilos> good man kbmonkey  im still stuck after cutting some trees
[13:24] <superfly> kbmonkey: there's an android client called BuildCraft
[13:24] <kbmonkey> there is no way my phone will run that - thanks tho ;P
[13:24] <kbmonkey> Kilos, I built a house and garden on top of the hill, heh. 
[13:25] <superfly> wee, just logged in on my phone
[13:25] <kbmonkey> this mine thing is new to me
[13:26] <superfly> found your house
[13:27] <superfly> but BuildCraft is a little difficult to use
[13:30] <Kilos> haha im still stuck trying to get logs to the plank stage
[13:32] <Kilos> following the tutorial, ill first practise here before i go further
[13:33] <Squirm-> superfly: Buildcraft?
[13:33] <Squirm-> well, I see it's like MineCraft. do you have a Buildcraft server?
[13:33] <Kilos> i cut some trees too much and ended with whole in the ground hee hee
[13:35] <superfly> Squirm-: minetest client for Android
[13:35] <superfly> Squirm-: yes, I do
[13:35] <kbmonkey> careful Kilos ! you don't want to fall down the hole...
[13:35] <Kilos> lol
[13:36] <kbmonkey> if only I had a tablet...
[13:36] <kbmonkey> I fell down a hole sombody had dug and got hurt
[13:36] <Kilos> in the game?
[13:37] <kbmonkey> yes in game xD
[13:37] <Kilos> its the fly, he knew you were coming
[13:38] <superfly> there are lots of caves
[13:38] <superfly> be careful
[13:39] <Kilos> once you have some wood in the crafting grid they tell you to cut some more. how do you turn off the grid again
[13:39] <Kilos> you know that thing you open with i
[13:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> are we getting into minecraft now?
[13:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> someone clue up an old man :)
[13:44] <kbmonkey> Kilos, press i again?
[13:44] <kbmonkey> or escape?
[13:44] <kbmonkey> I am leaving, going to try beat the trafic today...
[13:44] <Kilos> then the window gos black and i see nothing
[13:45] <Kilos> go safe
[13:45] <kbmonkey> that sounds wrong
[13:45] <kbmonkey> you not stuck in the dark cave Kilos ?
[13:45] <Kilos> i was out on the grass when i did i
[13:45] <Kilos> anyway go home now man
[13:55] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: minetest - open source minecraft clone
[13:55] <Kilos> haha i have some planks and an apple and astick
[13:56] <Kilos> and 24 dirt
[13:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> so people can play on the same map?
[13:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> sorry, i don't really know minecraft
[14:06] <Kilos> i need to set it brighter somehow
[14:08] <Squirm-> someone let me know when it's light again :/
[14:08] <Squirm-> ThatGraemeGuy: yes
[14:08] <Squirm-> ThatGraemeGuy: it's like... a world
[14:08] <Squirm-> with different Biomes
[14:09] <Squirm-> and you can build things
[14:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah
[14:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> always looked kinda interesting just never bothered
[14:16] <Kilos> oi tried to fill the whole with dirt and it just got deeper
[14:16] <Kilos> whew
[14:26] <superfly> Squirm-: i think it's about 20 minutes
[14:26] <superfly> I can change that to longer
[14:51] <theblazehen> Kilos: Can you click away from the grid?
[14:51] <Kilos> to do what
[14:51] <theblazehen> Close crafting table in minecraft
[14:52] <Kilos> when the grid shows i cant click anywhere else
[14:52] <Kilos> is minetest and minecraft the same thing
[14:53] <Golynx> hi theblazehen , bushtech
[14:53] <theblazehen> hi Golynx 
[14:53] <Golynx> hmm, minecraft :-/
[14:54] <Kilos> haha i have a pile of cobblestones as well but dunno whewre they came from
[14:54] <Kilos> maybe outa the dirt i dug up
[14:55] <Golynx> i used to be excelent in rts games, maybe next year i will take over the world 
[14:58] <theblazehen> Golynx: hmm, tasty minecraft ..
[15:01] <Golynx> until then i'm stuck at dominating these type of strategy games :p http://www.freedownloadflashgames.com/skill/Gravitee_Wars_3362.html
[15:01] <Golynx> theblazehen: minecraft sounds good , i wana play
[15:01] <Golynx> someday :)
[15:02] <theblazehen> Golynx: it is :)
[15:08] <Kilos> ive dug myself too deep in now, purged game and will try again tomorrow
[15:14] <theblazehen> Kilos: as in `rm -rf` purged ?
[15:16] <Kilos> aptitude purge
[15:17] <Kilos> i wanna try it on unity tomorrow. its too dark here and i can find the brightness setting
[15:18] <Kilos> wb inetpro  plustwo  Mzolisto  
[15:18] <Kilos> what did you guys break
[15:19] <inetpro> ai!
[16:59] <superfly> theblazehen: we're playing minetest - an open source minecraft clone
[17:03] <theblazehen> superfly: ah, kk
[17:03] <theblazehen> On a server?
[17:04] <superfly> yep, I'm running a server
[17:06] <theblazehen> superfly: cool. Url?
[17:06] <superfly> theblazehen: pm'ed you
[17:07] <theblazehen> superfly: ty. will go on later
[17:15] <theblazehen> Download almost done
[17:15] <theblazehen> charl_: you got IPv6? Nice!
[17:23] <superfly> theblazehen: he's in the netherlands, I think, so it's kinda expected
[17:23] <theblazehen> superfly: true. I'm on the server BTW
[17:30] <theblazehen> hi spinza 
[17:34] <theblazehen> 9 minutes left of my Office download :(
[17:34] <superfly> theblazehen: cool
[17:34] <theblazehen> It means I'm gonna have to do work :/
[17:40] <charl_> theblazehen: i've been irc'ing over ipv6 for at least 5 years yes
[17:40]  * theblazehen is jealous
[17:41] <charl_> don't be, if you don't have native ipv6 yet go grab a tunnel :P
[17:42] <charl_> there's teredo/miredo, aiccu/sixxs, 6in4/he, 6to4, etc etc
[17:42] <theblazehen> charl_: good idea
[17:43] <charl_> my cable provider is running behind the times and also does not have native ipv6 yet on the network
[17:43] <charl_> they promise every year that they will roll it out and then it becomes the next year
[17:43] <charl_> at work we have had dual stack for a long time though
[17:43] <charl_> they are even running it it on the wlan now
[17:44] <Kilos> looks like inetpro has serious probs
[17:44] <theblazehen> Kilos: hmm?
[17:46] <superfly> anyone still using firefox? any thoughts on the new interface?
[17:47] <charl_> superfly: *still* using? what are you using then? chromium?
[17:47] <charl_> i think it's quite nice personally
[17:47] <superfly> charl_: nope, but a lot of folks have moved to chromium/chrome
[17:47] <superfly> I still prefer firefox
[17:47] <charl_> lol
[17:47] <charl_> me too :P
[17:48] <theblazehen> I'm using FF with a custom userChrome.css and tree style tabs.. I'm not ready to -Syu yet :(
[17:48] <theblazehen> Fuck it, I'll stick with 28
[18:16] <hibana> ai!
[18:17] <Kilos> hi hibana  wb
[18:17] <Kilos> what broke
[18:17] <hibana> Kilos: at what time did we loose inetpro?
[18:17] <hibana> again
[18:17] <Kilos> early
[18:17] <hibana> nee man, serious!?
[18:18] <Kilos> 08.48
[18:18] <Kilos> is that serious enough
[18:18] <hibana> Kilos: no this evening
[18:18] <Kilos> been back for a bit
[18:18] <Kilos> oh
[18:19] <Kilos> 19.42
[18:19]  * hibana gets home thinking everything is hunkydory again only to test and see we're down again
[18:19] <hibana> what a day?
[18:19] <hibana> this is not fun
[18:19] <Kilos> whats happening there
[18:20] <hibana> the whole DC lost power
[18:20] <Kilos> hackers cracking you or crackers hacking you
[18:20] <Kilos> power as in electricity
[18:20] <hibana> yebo yes, UPS power issues nogal, as far as I understand
[18:20] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:21] <hibana> servers need power to run
[18:21] <Kilos> strange to get power cuts in town
[18:22] <hibana> not city power
[18:23] <Kilos> probs in the building?
[18:23] <theblazehen> I keep getting power cuts :( It kills my uptime :/
[18:23] <theblazehen> 20:22:35 up 12:54,  3 users,  load average: 5.09, 4.79, 4.98
[18:26] <Kilos> power becoming a serious issue in za
[18:26] <hibana> I see even MyBroadband tearing us apart with "Gov.za tango down"
[18:26] <hibana> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/101496-gov-za-tango-down.html
[18:27] <hibana> this is not fun man
[18:27] <hibana> not sure exactly what the problem is but I sure hope they are putting a proper solution to prevent this from happening again
[18:28] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:29] <Kilos> do the server boot auto maticcaly when power returns?
[18:29] <Kilos> srevers
[18:29] <Kilos> servers
[18:30] <charl_> the article doesn't look so bad to me
[18:30] <hibana> some systems are robust and can handle power failures but others can be very fragile
[18:31] <charl_> would hardly classify as "tearing" you apart imho
[18:31]  * hibana feels better now
[18:31] <hibana> charl_: thanks
[18:31] <charl_> :)
[18:31] <charl_> i know, from the inside it feels much harder :)
[18:33]  * hibana feeling 10 years older after today
[18:33] <Kilos> ai!
[18:35] <theblazehen> http://neo900.org/ Can't wait for the release of this!
[18:38] <hibana> theblazehen: wow, that sounds awesome
[18:38] <theblazehen> As soon as I can get them to accept bitcoin, and I've made enough to pay for one, I'm buying one
[18:38] <hibana> hope it can compete with the likes of the Note 3
[18:39] <theblazehen> nope, it wont
[18:39] <hibana> ai!
[18:39] <theblazehen> But it IS a kinda small job
[18:39] <theblazehen> http://neo900.org/specs
[18:40]  * hibana would love to see something where the height of the screen is as wide as an A4 page
[18:41] <hibana> and a physical keyboard would always be a bonus
[18:41] <Kilos> and as you get older it must get bigger
[18:42] <theblazehen> Kilos: As long as you can see the pixels. I feel the pixels on the ipad etc. are wasted as you cant use them all, becuase if you make fonts that small you can't really read it
[18:43] <Kilos> haha i battle to read lots of stuff here
[18:43] <theblazehen> http://i.imgur.com/ocEstXc.png for reference: My display
[18:43] <Kilos> need to ctrl+ a few times
[18:43] <theblazehen> I like small fonts, and I cannot lie..
[18:44] <Kilos> i canr read any of that
[18:44] <Kilos> cant
[18:44] <theblazehen> zoom in, lol
[18:44] <charl_> theblazehen: which wm is that?
[18:44] <theblazehen> charl_: awesomewm
[18:44] <theblazehen> Wanna switch to i3 soon
[18:44] <theblazehen> maybe when I move to my netbook
[18:45] <theblazehen> And use this machine as a VM host
[18:45] <Kilos> how you zoom in
[18:45] <theblazehen> kilos: ctrl + mouse wheel up
[18:45] <charl_> i've been using i3 for almost a year now
[18:45] <charl_> very happy with it
[18:45] <Kilos> mouse whell dont work
[18:45] <charl_> i see you're using python, nice
[18:45] <theblazehen> charl_: great to hear. Using dmenu for menu, etc?
[18:45] <theblazehen> yeah, python is good
[18:45] <theblazehen> Kilos: try ctrl and + ?
[18:45] <charl_> standard i3 menu yes
[18:46] <charl_> whatever it is called :)
[18:46] <Kilos> if i ctrl+ 3 times i can read
[18:46] <theblazehen> charl_: I just don't like the title bars. But I'm sure I can remove them
[18:46] <theblazehen> Not sure if I shouldn't just get w3m, and do it all in tmux though
[18:46] <charl_> which editor are you using?
[18:46] <theblazehen> I really like tmux
[18:46] <theblazehen> vim! of course
[18:46] <charl_> ah i see
[18:47] <charl_> i was about to say it doesn't look like vim
[18:47] <charl_> but i guess you have a lot of options set
[18:47] <theblazehen> yeah, mainly powerline
[18:47] <charl_> ah here is a good question
[18:47] <charl_> terminal emulator - which one
[18:48] <theblazehen> charl_: xterm
[18:48] <theblazehen> I like it as it's small, and it doesn't have a scrollbar like urxvt
[18:48] <hibana> how much power can one get out of a rack mountable UPS device?
[18:48] <charl_> interesting
[18:49] <charl_> sorry i promise, last question
[18:49] <charl_> which font is that ?
[18:49] <theblazehen> nah, It keeps me away from working :)
[18:49] <theblazehen> gimme a sec
[18:49] <theblazehen> Source Code Pro patched for powerline
[18:49] <Kilos> i go sllep now
[18:49] <theblazehen> cya Kilos 
[18:49] <Kilos> good luck hibana  
[18:49] <Kilos> sleep tight all
[18:50] <hibana> thanks Kilos, good night
[18:50] <hibana> hmm
[18:50] <theblazehen> charl_: Also using monokai for the colours
[18:51] <charl_> ah
[18:51] <charl_> thanks i'll check those out
[18:51] <theblazehen> kk
[18:51] <charl_> very interesting :)
[18:51] <theblazehen> and if you haven't already, check out tmux too. ty :)
[18:52] <theblazehen> I'll share any dotfiles if you want, should be easy to figure out though
[18:53] <charl_> i'm using byobu which uses tmux in the background
[18:53] <charl_> but yes tmux is awesome
[18:53] <charl_> but i was particularly interested in the font
[18:54] <theblazehen> charl_: Have you had a look at Termsyn? Also a good font
[18:54] <theblazehen> Which font do you currently use?
[18:55] <charl_> i'm using the standard courier 10 pitch which ships with ubuntu
[18:55] <theblazehen> Also how is byobu better than tmux? Looking at screenshots it kinda looks worse..
[18:55] <charl_> not a bad font per se but it could be better
[18:55] <theblazehen> ah, kk
[18:55] <charl_> byobu is just a layer around tmux, it's stupidly simple to configure tmux
[18:56] <charl_> and the default settings are quite good
[18:56] <theblazehen> have you tried tmux alone? Also sane defaults, quite.. ok
[18:58] <charl_> yes i used to use it straight before switching to byobu
[18:58] <charl_> before that i used screen for many many years
[18:58] <theblazehen> ok, guess I'll try it out then
[18:59] <charl_> ooh source code pro looks nice
[18:59] <charl_> just switched to it now
[19:01] <charl_> theblazehen: if you're happy with your current tmux configuration, i wouldn't spend too much time on it
[19:01] <theblazehen> great :)
[19:01] <theblazehen> Hmm.. Need to find thin client software that support multi monitors
[19:01] <theblazehen> charl_: yeah
[19:02] <charl_> i'm quite a big screen multiplexing user, even though i use a tiling wm i don't actually tile much
[19:02] <theblazehen> heh, same here
[19:02] <charl_> i'm one of those people, i like to have one thing on my screen at a time
[19:03] <charl_> so what i do is i mostly use i3 in tabs mode
[19:03] <theblazehen> tabs mode? 
[19:03] <charl_> and inside a terminal emulator i rapidly switch windows or whatever they are called again inside a terminal multiplexer
[19:03] <charl_> yeah meta+w
[19:04] <charl_> or whatever it was called again :)
[19:04] <charl_> i don't know what all these things are called i just use them :P lol
[19:04] <theblazehen> What I do is have a few browsers open each on a workspace, and then a few terminal multiplexers open on the other workspaces
[19:04] <charl_> yeah i love workspaces
[19:04] <theblazehen> currently have 3 tmux "windows", with "tabs" inside them
[19:04] <theblazehen> Dunno how to explain better
[19:05] <charl_> yeah lol
[19:05] <charl_> nice
[19:05] <charl_> it becomes crazy
[19:05] <theblazehen> tmux ls | wc -l
[19:05] <theblazehen> 3
[19:05] <theblazehen> Not too bad I suppose, but this is just my local machine..
[19:05] <charl_> ah byobu "wants" to run once
[19:06] <charl_> it makes it easy on the one side but limits you on the other
[19:06] <theblazehen> heh, ok
[19:06] <charl_> but i always only have one "instance" of it running it any case, so i don't care
[19:06] <charl_> so it actually makes it easier for me
[19:06] <theblazehen> Sometimes I even run X in different TTY's
[19:06] <theblazehen> yeah
[19:06] <charl_> lol
[19:06] <charl_> never attempted that
[19:06] <theblazehen> Quite useful
[19:06] <theblazehen> Especially when trying a new WM
[19:07] <theblazehen> Or multi-users
[19:08] <theblazehen> I'll miss it :(
[19:09] <theblazehen> Powerpoint title slide complete: Guess thats enough work for today!
[19:35] <charl_> have a good evening all
[20:00] <theblazehen> I just tried to make a 4 space tab in powerpoint.. Turns out bullets don't work that way
[20:21]  * inetpro breathing again
[20:22] <theblazehen> wb inetpro 
[20:22] <theblazehen> troubles?
[20:22] <inetpro> power back up in the DC
[20:22] <theblazehen> great
[20:25] <inetpro> not sure what the sparky did but I hope he has fixed the issues properly for once and for all
[20:34] <theblazehen> http://i.imgur.com/bAL9uAf.png Opinions please?
[20:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> is that a presentation slide?
[20:55] <theblazehen> ThatGraemeGuy: yep
[20:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> i won't pretend to be a master of giving presentations but it seems a bit verbose
[20:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> slides are typically much more terse with the detail coming out in the talk
[20:56] <theblazehen> Yeah, good point
[21:00]  * inetpro agrees with that point
[21:00] <inetpro> hate it when people want me to read an essay on the big screen, rather hand out the details in print form if you want me to read that
[21:01] <inetpro> in which case there's no need to waste everyone's time with a presentation
[21:04] <inetpro> very few things are as boring as a presenter who reads his presentation on the screen
[21:04] <theblazehen> inetpro: true, thanks
[21:05] <inetpro> no stress
[21:05] <theblazehen> Maybe I should actually just skip that section. If people wanna understand, then they should google it themselves
[21:06] <inetpro> theblazehen: that is just my opinion, I'm the worst public speaker out there
[21:06] <theblazehen> inetpro: nah, I have a time limit of 3 - 5 minutes
[21:07] <theblazehen> Very short
[21:07] <inetpro> the shorter it becomes the more difficult it is to do it right
[21:08] <theblazehen> inetpro: yeah :(
[21:09] <theblazehen> I have too much information to get accross
[21:15]  * inetpro going to recharge the batteries
[21:15] <inetpro> good night
[21:21] <theblazehen> cya inetpro