[00:45] <gdi2k> I am having horrible redraw issues in libreoffice calc in Xubuntu 14.04 that I didn't have in 13.04 - it is unworkable. Any ideas how I might fix? When I scroll through spreadsheets, the content is not updated, just gets garbled / repeated from the previous screen area
[00:45] <gdi2k> using Core2 Duo, so in-built Intel graphics
[00:47] <amigamagic> have you tried to disable compositing?
[00:48] <gdi2k> it's already disabled due to skype popup messages not working with it enabled
[00:49] <amigamagic> I think it's a vga driver problem (for your particular gpu)
[00:50] <amigamagic> are you sure it's an intel graphics the gpu?
[00:50] <amigamagic> Core2Duo don't have an integrated GPU
[00:51] <amigamagic> modern i3, i5, i7 could have it (but not all of them)
[00:51] <gdi2k> I think the laptop ones did... mine looks like this:
[00:51] <gdi2k> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
[00:52] <gdi2k> Processor is: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     P8600  @ 2.40GHz
[00:52] <amigamagic> then you can try to boot with an older kernel
[00:54] <amigamagic> however, your cpu has not a gpu inside it
[00:54] <amigamagic> that gpu is integrated on your mainboard
[00:54] <gdi2k> right yes, it's not on the die like the new ones
[00:57] <amigamagic> at my office I have a Pentium G3220 with an Intel HD Graphics integrated in its die. For its price it's a pretty fast CPU, I have to say... And it doesn't give me garbled scrolling when I use calc.
[00:57] <gdi2k> sounds like a mission to play with kernels, especially as I have no idea which version will work. found some graphics cache settings in libre, will play with that
[00:57] <gdi2k> yes, we use basic pentiums and celerons in our office too - they are very nippy on xubuntu
[00:58] <gdi2k> no issues with graphics on them
[00:58] <gdi2k> but still running 12.04...
[00:58] <amigamagic> I installed 14.04 and it's very fast and without graphics problems
[00:59] <gdi2k> ok that's good to hear
[01:00] <gdi2k> will leave it a couple of months before making the jump - have about 20 PCs and don't want to take any risks too early ;)
[01:00] <amigamagic> but on another machine, with ubuntu 12.04, there are some issues (similar to yours) on a intel HD Graphics integrated in a Xeon CPU
[01:01] <amigamagic> those intel drivers for linux are not so great...
[01:01] <gdi2k> I've been happy with mine since 12.04, but now it's going backwards...
[01:02] <amigamagic> gdi2k, if 12.04 is good for you, then stick with that until there is support
[01:02] <amigamagic> especially if they are working machines
[01:03] <gdi2k> on my personal machine the upgrade is done! no going back...
[01:03] <gdi2k> but on the office machines I will leave it for now
[01:04] <amigamagic> good choice
[01:06] <gdi2k> 12.04 is still supported for another aeon or so anyway lol
[01:08] <Artemis3> more like 2015 (2017 the base stuff)
[01:34] <xubuntu080> Help
[01:35] <knome> xubuntu080, ask your question
[01:38] <xubuntu080> How do I from a terminal install a update to xubuntu 14 without having in reinstall?  am on ubuntu 13.10
[01:39] <xubuntu080> I want a secure and clean install not a developer ... stable
[01:41] <knome> xubuntu080, why do you need to do it in a terminal?
[01:41] <knome> xubuntu080, also, are you running ubuntu 13.10 or xubuntu 13.10?
[02:03] <deddokatana> tester is in, anyone need support?
[02:05] <xubuntu080> sorry got sidetracked
[02:05] <xubuntu080> Is there a better way to update to a stable
[02:06] <deddokatana> than which method
[02:06] <deddokatana> ?
[02:06] <deddokatana> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:06] <deddokatana> but make sure you apt-get update first
[02:07] <deddokatana> novice joke - "whats wrong with a house? :D"
[02:08] <xubuntu080> I am on ubuntu 13.10 want xubuntu 14.4
[02:08] <deddokatana> my terminal says that do-dist-upgrade is no longer in use
[02:09] <kupo> update-manager -d
[02:09] <deddokatana> ok, paste this and tell me what happens,,,
[02:09] <knome> deddokatana, that's a sign you should stop guessing.
[02:09] <deddokatana> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:10] <knome> running those commands will not upgrade the release to 14.04
[02:10] <knome> xubuntu080, you can't exactly upgrade ubuntu to xubuntu...
[02:10] <knome> xubuntu080, but to get to 14.04, and insist on upgrading in terminal, run 'sudo do-release-upgrade'
[02:11] <deddokatana> other than install the very messy solution:
[02:11] <deddokatana> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[02:12] <xubuntu080> So whats the best way to upgrade like I want to?
[02:12] <deddokatana> not recommended for those who like a lean desktop
[02:12] <deddokatana> knome is the ranking officer
[02:12] <knome> xubuntu080, there is no way to upgrade from ubuntu to xubuntu
[02:12] <Guest19608> sudo update-manager -d
[02:12] <Guest19608> type that in terminal and see what happens
[02:12] <xubuntu080> OK lol
[02:12] <knome> xubuntu080, you will both need to upgrade to 14.04 and install the xubuntu desktop metapackage, but that won't remove the ubuntu desktop metapackage
[02:13] <Guest19608> it's how i got to 14.04 beta from from 13.10
[02:13] <xubuntu080> ok I see so unity will still be on and all the other residuals from ubuntu unity...
[02:13] <xubuntu080> ok
[02:15] <xubuntu080> Can you for instance update to 14.04, then remove the desktop meta and overlay of ubuntu and then install the xubuntu meta
[02:15] <knome> xubuntu080, that's not completely problem-free, or trivial
[02:15] <deddokatana> grab your usb thumbdrive, boot and use the "upgrade" option
[02:16] <deddokatana> from a unetbootin image
[02:16] <knome> deddokatana, stop posting random "solutions"
[02:16] <deddokatana> make sure you got the latest one
[02:17] <xubuntu080> Oh well I wanted to explore a few suggestions from the experts... its good to get the skinny before... saves time
[02:41] <xubuntu983> hello
[02:41] <xubuntu983> how is everyone in here
[04:17] <oneof3> hello. will is there a command to update openvpn or does it auto update?
[04:18] <holstein> oneof3: did you install it with the package manager from the default repos?
[04:27] <oneof3> i am not sure, sorry
[04:28] <holstein> oneof3: if you install software from the default sources using a package manager, then the package manager updates it along with everything else
[04:28] <holstein> oneof3: if you added a source, such as a PPA, then, that too gets updated when you update, though, its not officially supported
[04:28] <holstein> !ppa
[04:29] <holstein> oneof3: if you built it yourself, then, you maintain it yourself.. you'll need to update it on your own, as you installed it on your own
[04:29] <oneof3> i did not build anything. i know i used a sudo apt-get install command
[04:29] <oneof3> so i guess that falls into your deifinition and im fine
[04:37] <oneof3> is there a way to find the openvpn program among the list? holstein
[04:37] <holstein> oneof3: sure.. you can use a package manager.. i suggest something like synaptic
[04:41] <oneof3> ty
[04:42] <oneof3> i opened that manager, i guess i just search key words?
[04:42] <oneof3> i do see lots of openvpn stuff, guess m okay. ty
[05:37] <Caduceus> Hey guys, would this be the right place for help?
[05:54] <Archimedes00> so my desktop and panel keep crashing randomly, any other reports of this?
[06:52] <xubuntu406> Hi All, I am having trouble in booting from XUbuntu bootable USB randomly
[06:52] <cfhowlett> xubuntu406 try a new USB stick
[06:54] <xubuntu406> I have a XUbuntu 11.10 64 bit bootable USB system with 2 hard drives. I have kept the system for rebooting every 6 minutes. It reboots successfully and OS loads initially. After some 200 or more reboots, system says bootable device is not detected. Can somebody assist me in debugging this issue ?
[06:55] <xubuntu406> Hi cfhowlett, I tried with new sticks. This issue is not always seen. Whenever seen I have to recycle the power.
[06:56] <xubuntu406> Wondering whether this is due to GRUB ?
[06:57] <cfhowlett> xubuntu406 you see grub when booting from your stick?  that's shouldn't be happening.
[06:58] <Archimedes00> So my network manager just crashed and my desktop and top panel crashed earlier, any ideas
[06:58] <Archimedes00> ?
[06:58] <xubuntu406> cfhowlett, I do not see grub. If I see BIOS the USB stick will not be listed.
[06:59] <xubuntu406> I talked to Intel people they claim that they have not tested Linux.
[06:59] <cfhowlett> xubuntu406 quite a different scenario.  not all hardware supports linux
[07:00] <cfhowlett> xubuntu406 at the very least though, you might consider upgrading to a supported version; 11.10 is WAY past end of life.
[07:00] <xubuntu406> Here is my thinking. BIOS detects the MBR and kicks GRUB(in Linux case). Either the device itself is not detected or MBR is not detected
[07:01] <xubuntu406> We are considering testing with Latest XUbuntu 14.04
[07:01] <cfhowlett> xubuntu406 why not install ubuntu to the HDD = USB sticks are not optimal
[07:02] <xubuntu406> It is due to some business strategy and cheaper reliable way to have OS in USB and data in HDD
[07:03] <cfhowlett> xubuntu406 okay then.  sorry, I've no other suggestions to help troubleshoot.  ask in #ubuntu
[07:03] <xubuntu406> Thank you. Glad that at least you responded...
[09:02] <nikolam> wow, Firefox 29 looks much different...
[09:05] <nikolam> for no obvious reason, looks  more like chrome and wastes more space in tabs bar
[09:06] <nikolam> wow, everything is so windows8-ish
[09:25] <share> they want to copy chrome
[09:25] <share> lol
[09:25] <share> lots of ppl complaning on #firefox
[09:26] <share> complaining
[09:36] <starrats> new firefox sure looks like they copied chrome with all the stuff on the right side of the page like bookmarks, view, history, etc.
[09:37] <starrats> not complaining must get used to it
[09:42] <share> starrats: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/classicthemerestorer/
[09:51] <starrats> thanks share, I bookmarked it for a later install
[10:22] <olbi> hi guys, simple question, why in Whisker Menu - System there isn't visible so many things, which should be when I edit it with MenuLibre?
[11:08] <xubuntu147> hello
[11:09] <xubuntu147> I was just wondering where the location of the community wallpapers in xubuntu 14.04
[11:09] <cfhowlett> xubuntu147 by default community papers not installed.
[11:10] <xubuntu147> how to obtain?
[11:11] <cfhowlett> xubuntu147 sudo apt-get intall packagename
[11:11] <knome> cfhowlett, on new installations, yes they are...
[11:11] <cfhowlett> knome  thehellyousay!  so as of 14.04 then?
[11:12] <knome> cfhowlett, xubuntu didn't have "community wallpapers" before 14.04
[11:12] <knome> xubuntu147, /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops
[11:13] <knome> xubuntu147, if they aren't there, you need to install xubuntu-community-wallpapers
[11:13] <xubuntu147> I just did a distro upgrade to 14.04 but computer shutdown during upgrade, not sure if recovery from that went bad or the wallpapers (and possible more things) did not get included
[11:13] <knome> well no, they aren't installed on upgrade afaik, so you need to do that manually
[11:15] <xubuntu147> thanks
[11:17] <olbi> hi guys, simple question, why in Whisker Menu - System there isn't visible so many things, which should be when I edit it with MenuLibre?
[11:17] <knome> olbi, because they are visible in the settings manager in xubuntu
[11:18] <olbi> but the menu System should have for example System Updates and Additional Drivers :)
[11:19] <knome> in xubuntu, no
[14:41] <starrats> Looks like Autumn on this channel, lol all the orange and yellow and I'm putting in a little snow on the bottom!  :)
[15:48] <Kekai> I run Xubuntu 14.04 LTS on a lenovo ideapad S10 with 1GB of RAM
[15:48] <Kekai> I startup my PC this morning and a garbled white bar before the startup screen.
[15:49] <Kekai> It was a few seonds then it loaded normally. is this an issue with anyone else? or is my hardware failing.
[15:59] <xubuntu112> hi all
[15:59] <xubuntu112> anyone using 14.04?
[15:59] <Kekai> yes
[15:59] <xubuntu112> In 12.04 I had a panel in the lower middle that hid itself automatically and on which I had my most favourite application shortcuts configured...how can I get that back? :)
[16:00] <Kekai> right click yor top panel
[16:00] <Kekai> then edit panels
[16:00] <Kekai> add panel
[16:00] <Kekai> Just grab all the apps you want to the new panel
[16:01] <Kekai> Make sure to set the panel to the proper prefference you want for it
[16:01] <xubuntu112> uuhmm..when I click my upper panel I can not "edit" or "add" panels...do I miss a plugin?
[16:01] <Kekai> nope
[16:01] <Kekai> Right click > Panel >Edit Panels
[16:01] <Kekai> Or "Panel Prefferences"
[16:01] <crimsondusk> you can also go to the settings manager and Panel from there
[16:02] <xubuntu112> got panel references, yes...
[16:02] <Wizard> Hi.
[16:02] <Wizard> xubuntu112: I use 14.04
[16:02] <xubuntu112> panel 0 is already there...so I guess I add another one :)
[16:02] <Wizard> It is perfect ;)
[16:02] <xubuntu112> .)
[16:04] <Kekai> yes
[16:04] <xubuntu112> kekai...thanks...it works!!
[16:04] <xubuntu112> thanks a lot
[16:04] <Kekai> Panel 0 is your main one
[16:05] <xubuntu112> indeed...I just had to add one
[16:07] <zakora> After screen locking, Light Locker will try to log to Guest Session. Is there a way to make Light Locker log to the latest active session?
[16:10] <Mo> Hello - I've been facing an issue for 2 days now. I even instulled xubuntu and still no results
[16:11] <Guest90410> My network manager applet on the panel has disappeared. The notification bar is there, and the applet shows as present, but it doesn't appear. I did all the config fixes on the forums in Interfaces and the config file of network manager
[16:11] <Guest90410> Does anyone know what else I can do?
[16:13] <brainwash> Guest90410: did you try to start it manually by running "nm-applet"?
[16:15] <xubuntu063> anyone?
[16:15] <JohnN> ?
[16:16] <xubuntu063> I was wondering regarding the network manager
[16:16] <slickymasterWork> !ask | xubuntu063
[16:16] <Kekai> Right click the Panel
[16:16] <Kekai> And see if its added
[16:16] <Kekai> Then add it
[16:16] <zakora> xubuntu063: <brainwash> Guest90410: did you try to start it manually by running "nm-applet"?
[16:17] <xubuntu063> It is
[16:17] <xubuntu063> It's just not showing
[16:17] <xubuntu063> yea it works - just not showing
[16:18] <Kekai> I run Xubuntu 14.04 LTS on a lenovo ideapad S10 with 1GB of RAM
[16:18] <Kekai> I startup my PC this morning and a garbled white bar before the startup screen.
[16:18] <Kekai> It was a few seonds then it loaded normally. is this an issue with anyone else? or is my hardware failing.
[16:23] <brainwash> Kekai: which gpu and driver?
[16:23] <Kekai> i dont know how do I find out ?
[16:23] <Kekai> it was second hand from my mother
[16:25] <brainwash> lspci -v
[16:26] <brainwash> not sure if this is something you should worry about (if everything else works fine)
[16:28] <Kekai> Intel
[16:28] <Kekai> idk
[16:30] <brainwash> it happened only once so far, right?
[16:30] <Kekai> yes
[16:31] <brainwash> so, see if it happens again on every boot
[16:31] <Kekai> Should I restart to see if it happens again?
[16:31] <brainwash> nah, no need to rush
[16:32] <brainwash> besides, I got no real clue what exactly could cause this
[16:33] <S2tty> hello , i have some truble installing " .sh "
[16:34] <S2tty> i used this tutorial http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/313
[16:34] <zakora> S2tty: what are you trying to install? what is the error?
[16:34] <S2tty> 2 sec
[16:35] <S2tty> : not found 15: ./retea.sh:
[16:35] <S2tty> SIOCDELRT: No such process
[16:35] <S2tty> SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable
[16:35] <S2tty> : not found 21: ./retea.sh:
[16:36] <S2tty> in .sh file are this 2 lines
[16:36] <S2tty> route del -net 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0
[16:36] <S2tty> route add -net 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 gw 10.6.0.1
[16:36] <S2tty> i`m using xubuntu 14.04 from usb
[16:36] <S2tty> Live :)
[16:38] <zakora> are you connected to a network?
[16:38] <S2tty> yes
[16:38] <S2tty> lan + internet
[16:38] <zakora> sorry, i don't know how to help you from here
[16:39] <zakora> is this script part of xubuntu live?
[16:39] <S2tty> no
[16:39] <S2tty> is a part from my local network
[16:39] <S2tty> i get internet trough a server
[16:39] <S2tty> and i need this script for DC++
[16:40] <Artemis3> are you sudoing that script?
[16:40] <S2tty> yes
[16:40] <Artemis3> paste to paste.ubuntu.com
[16:41] <Artemis3> (ie. sudo script.sh won't do)
[16:41] <S2tty> ok
[16:42] <Artemis3> but if you run each command with sudo is it working?
[16:42] <S2tty> no
[16:42] <S2tty> i will try asking my network administrator
[16:42] <Artemis3> also paste route -n
[16:42] <S2tty> if i can find him :))
[16:43] <S2tty> Kernel IP routing table
[16:43] <S2tty> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
[16:43] <S2tty> 0.0.0.0         10.24.4.1       0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 ppp0
[16:43] <S2tty> 10.24.4.1       0.0.0.0         255.255.255.255 UH    0      0        0 ppp0
[16:43] <Artemis3> not here
[16:43] <Artemis3> see
[16:43] <Artemis3> you want to delete something that isn't there
[16:43] <S2tty> hmm
[16:43] <Artemis3> hmm ppp0
[16:44] <S2tty> yes , i use pppoe to connect to internet trough a server :(
[16:46] <Artemis3> normally you delete the existing gateway and add the new one (if you are sure that gateway works) and i think there is a script to do that when you start the ppp
[16:47] <S2tty> yes this gateway is working :) when i used old XP  i had to use same script there to
[16:48] <Artemis3> do it manually first then worry about scripts later
[16:48] <S2tty> ok
[16:48] <S2tty> ty for help ;)
[16:59] <r0u> hello :)
[17:00] <S2tty> hi
[17:18] <xubuntu424> hello I am having a problem with my panel clock it does not show the correct time, it is an hour off like it didnt change with daylight savings i have tride tzselect and changed it to the correct time but it didnt effect the panel clock can anyone help? its driving me insane
[17:20] <Guest54446> you try orage? or change timezone
[17:20] <Tiensbakung> xubuntu424: are you dual boot with windows?
[17:20] <xubuntu424> no i dual boot mint and ubuntu
[17:22] <Artemis3> i suppose you should set all your OSes to UTC (and bios) and set the proper time zone (btw i think daylight saving is a retarted concept)
[17:22] <Tiensbakung> xubuntu424: then it's recommended you set your hardware clock to UTC, software clock to your time zone
[17:23] <Tiensbakung> also better sync your time with the internet using ntp
[17:24] <xubuntu424> tiensbakung: so change it in bios? I already have done ntp it still doesnt change the panel clock in the terminal after i changed timezone it showed the correct time but still not in the panel
[17:26] <Tiensbakung> xubuntu424: is your hardware clock UTC? /etc/adjtime
[17:27] <Tiensbakung> xubuntu424: there is normally a remarkable delay before your panel clock get updated
[17:28] <xubuntu424> its been over an hour this problem is really grinding my gears im gong to give up for now thanks
[20:06] <meek_geek> guys what do you like about xubuntu the most ?
[20:06] <TacoTacos> Hello, I am having a hard time getting xubuntu to boot on acer c710 chromebook
[20:09] <meek_geek> TacoTacos, use chromebook for chrome OS only - its best designed for spying purposes by Google Inc
[20:10] <TacoTacos> no thnx
[20:10] <TacoTacos> The specs on the book are pretty bad ass tho
[20:10] <TacoTacos> SSD drive, intel, and upgradeable to 16gb of ram
[20:10] <Tiensbakung> What's your problem exactly, TacoTacos?
[20:10] <TacoTacos> I have Chrubuntu installed but it always boots into chrome
[20:11] <meek_geek> heh
[20:11] <Tiensbakung> Sounds like a bootloader issue
[20:11] <fballs> my favorite thing about xubuntu is how lightweight it is...that and the look of greybird
[20:12] <TacoTacos> I think it is the priority for booting is set wrong
[20:12] <meek_geek> I wish I could get a version of ubuntu without ubuntu software center
[20:13] <meek_geek> but i love xubuntu so far
[20:13] <fballs> why?
[20:13] <fballs> you don't have to use it...most of the software i install is from a command line
[20:14] <Tiensbakung> Never hand experience with chromebook, but your problem is more likely related to the bootloader, not an OS, you may need to dig more about that
[20:15] <meek_geek> fballs, I want a linux edition like Xubuntu - all the ubuntu bloatware
[20:16] <meek_geek> also you do not get any package other than OS from the official repos
[20:16] <meek_geek> install everything manually with the package manager from the internet
[20:50] <larrypg> Hello all, just wondering if Xubuntu has a different release of the daily's than some of the other builds...It appears that is the only version that has not had a 14.10 daily.   If it does then am wondering what it is...have not been able to find out through searchs
[20:51] <Wizard> larrypg: If one could call daily build a release..
[20:53] <krytarik> !daily | larrypg
[20:53] <larrypg> Wizard, release can also mean when it is released to cdimage etc.
[20:55] <krytarik> larrypg: Well, yeah, there is nothing there yet indeed. :P
[20:56] <larrypg> just was curious
[21:00] <Wizard> larrypg: You can allways get a netinst and install xubuntu-desktop ;)
[21:00] <meek_geek> guys I tried ati drivers
[21:00] <meek_geek> even updates one
[21:00] <meek_geek> and open one
[21:01] <meek_geek> but none could the performance like it was in windows
[21:03] <larrypg> Wizard, I just like to silently test as things progress in a new version and have noticed that Xubuntu seems to be the only one that has not started on the road to 14.10.  It could be that they are going about it differently and I have not found it.
[21:09] <Wizard> meek_geek: Might be.
[21:10] <Wizard> larrypg: Well, I bet it doesn't matter so much on this point ;)
[21:10] <meek_geek> Wizard, ok
[21:10] <Wizard> meek_geek: However, I'm not a 3d guru.
[21:10] <Wizard> Personally I don't even care ;)
[21:11] <meek_geek> Wizard, look I explain you something even in Windows 7 it did not work well at all .. but it was just one player called Pot Player that could run 720p videos well enough without drop of frame .. but i cannot find that player in linux
[21:12] <Wizard> mplayer is usally good at such things.
[21:13] <meek_geek> Wizard, I am using smplayer only but it does not seem to work well
[21:14] <Wizard> :(
[21:15] <Tiensbakung> meet_geek: try different video output then
[21:17] <meek_geek> Tiensbakung, how to play GPU accelerated output
[21:18] <Tiensbakung> meek_geek: in smplayer, options -> Preferences -> General -> Video -> Output driver, try different ones
[21:19] <meek_geek> Tiensbakung, but i tried all
[21:19] <Tiensbakung> meek_geek: ati drivers are normally not same good as their windows conterpart
[21:21] <Tiensbakung> meek_geek: there is also a new one called mpv, command line only thought, try playing around with that one also, maybe you can get any luck:)
[21:31] <meek_geek> Tiensbakung, omg gl driver in smplayer seem to do that job but it stil flickers a bit in between bt is fine
[21:31] <meek_geek> what is gl ?
[21:32] <Tiensbakung> meek_geek: opengl
[21:32] <meek_geek> Tiensbakung, I see when I do fglrxinfo it says opengl somethign
[21:34] <Tiensbakung> meek_geek, in performance section, tick "allow frame drop", adjust the numbers for "threads for decoding (MPEG......) ", will give you a performance boost for playing HD movies
[21:35] <xubuntu857> New user of xubuntu with question about how to upgrade from xubuntu 12.04 LTS to xubuntu 14.04 LTS
[21:35] <Tiensbakung> meek_geek, you may also want to fiddle around with the cache size a little bit, it helps. At least I can watch 1080p videos without any problem with a built-in intel card
[21:37] <knome> xubuntu857, 12.04->14.04 upgrades will be officially enabled when 14.04 gets the first point release in a few months
[21:39] <xubuntu857> Oh ok so my task is be patient and keep my 12.04 up to date (it is running on an ancient Micron laptop with 128 MB of RAM)
[21:39] <Poisoned_Dragon> Or install 14.04 clean.
[21:39] <Poisoned_Dragon> If you're feeling impatient
[21:39] <meek_geek> Tiensbakung, which driver do you use and what cache size ?
[21:40] <Poisoned_Dragon> And that runs? Sounds like it wouldn't even toast my bread.
[21:40] <gergnz> Poisoned_Dragon: or you can use update-manager -d
[21:40] <Poisoned_Dragon> you could. But I'd rather do it clean
[21:40] <xubuntu857> I've been having issues with clean installs (I also have a Vaio laptop with more horsepower that can't handle any ISO newer than 9.04 and am going crazy trying to get it updated/upgraded
[21:40] <larrypg> 128 for the video or for the system?
[21:41] <xubuntu857> sadly, the micron has only 128 for the system
[21:41] <xubuntu857> it is very close to being a paper-weight
[21:43] <Tiensbakung> meek_geek: it really depends on your own hardware, try a HD 1080p video, play around with the parameters a little bit will give you best performance, I use xv for video output, 2 threads for decoding, allow frame drop, 8192KB local file cache
[21:45] <Poisoned_Dragon> xubuntu857, it's starting to sound like you'll soon have to let go of them.
[21:46] <xubuntu857> yes it is well past-time but there is always the matter of not wanting to spend money on hardware unless absolutely necessary
[21:47] <larrypg> xubuntu857, I have a trs-80 and I realized a while ago that it was past-time to give it up
[21:48] <xubuntu857> yes, I have an apple2 clone and a commodore 64 buried in boxes in the basement and much newer hardware running windows - trying to ease into ubuntu and xubuntu
[21:50]  * share is going to remove Ubuntu vbox and install Xubuntu
[21:51] <larrypg> xubuntu857, you can always run ubuntu or xubuntu in a vm- use virtualbox or vmware or what ever and test them
[21:51] <meek_geek> Tiensbakung, I am on AMD c-60 low powered laptop with hd graphics radeon 6290 built-in should i expect 1080p playback? Its 1 ghz dual core
[21:51] <larrypg> xubuntu857, altthough with 128 ram you might  be better with a piece of paper and a pen
[21:52] <meek_geek> guys is there a way to utilize extra ram for performance ?
[21:52] <Poisoned_Dragon> in theory, that should be fine, meek_geek
[21:52] <xubuntu857> larrypg, you are quite right.
[21:53] <meek_geek> Poisoned_Dragon, really ? I got 6 gigs of ram too .. also I have heard VDPAU is a GPU driver for videos how to make it work ?
[21:53] <Poisoned_Dragon> And a carrier pigeon for internet access, xubuntu857
[21:54] <Poisoned_Dragon> meek_geek, I'm not sure what to tell you. are you having playback issues in 1080p?
[21:55] <meek_geek> Poisoned_Dragon, I am having issues even in 720p
[21:55] <Poisoned_Dragon> Hmm... with frames?
[21:56] <Poisoned_Dragon> What are you using to play with?
[21:56] <Tiensbakung> meek_geek, I am ... not sure, you should try. Mine is a dual 1.2G HZ intel pentium, playback in 1080p is not a problem, but frame drop must be accepted, although not noticeable though.
[21:57] <Poisoned_Dragon> lemme see if I can find a 1080p sample file. If it plays on my setup, it means your doing it wrong.
[21:59] <Tiensbakung> Poisoned_Dragon: big buck bunny?
[21:59] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh yeah! Got a link?
[22:00] <Poisoned_Dragon> never mind it's long
[22:00] <Poisoned_Dragon> I found a short one
[22:26] <Poisoned_Dragon>  lol, ok. so 1080p is out for me. :)
[22:26] <Poisoned_Dragon> But, I expected that.
[23:16] <evan_> I've had issues booting the Live USB of the 64bit iso. The second it loads and shows the Language window for Installing, my pc reboots
[23:39] <share> Xubuntu Xubuntu!