[00:05] <Ruud> hello all
[00:06] <Ruud> question
[00:06] <Ruud> when I want to download something from kde-look and I click the download link the file opens as text in firefox
[00:07] <Ruud> is there a solution?
[06:37] <Guest47954> I am trying to mount an nfs client from a debian wheezy host, the client mounts as nobody:nogroup - how do I mount it with the permissions f the host so a limited client can write to it ?
[07:21] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:22] <TheFakeazneD525> Top of the morning
[07:22] <lordievader> Hey TheFakeazneD525, how are you?
[07:23] <TheFakeazneD525> I am kfine.
[07:23] <TheFakeazneD525> How are you?
[07:23] <lordievader> Fine here too :)
[07:23]  * TheFakeazneD525 drinks some Ksoup
[07:46] <skramer__> Hi, I need some help importing an X.509 certificate into Kleopatra. Whenever I try to do so, it gives an error message saying the decryption of the .p12 file was not possible.
[08:17] <soon_> hi folks - fresh installation of the latest 14.04 -- I can not associate activities with files ... see this screencast: www.oneill.dk/no_activities.mp4
[08:17] <soon_> I can select an activity from the drop down menu, both the association doesnt 'take' ...
[08:17] <soon_> only me?
[08:19] <lordievader> Many idlers, soon_
[08:19] <lordievader> !idle
[08:19] <soon_> true .. is there a better channel?
[08:20] <soon_> ahh : Known issues : Linking files to activities is currently broken, because it has not yet been ported to the new system. (from http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=154&t=120047 )
[08:21] <lordievader> soon_: Ah, well there you go ;)
[08:26] <soon_> yes, darn shame :-)
[09:55] <calzifer> hi, how can i disable the autostart of ibus? i already checked /etc/xdg/autostart .kde/autostart and the autostart option in kde systemsettings
[10:14] <Guest5761> testing
[10:42] <kubuntu> greeting
[10:42] <Guest87771> greeting
[10:44] <Guest87771> greeting
[10:46] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:56] <ShalokShalom> hi there
[11:57] <ShalokShalom> who pack kde ? people from canonical and/or community members ?
[11:59] <BluesKaj> ShalokShalom, kde is used by many other distros , not just debian based OSs, check with #kde
[11:59] <ShalokShalom> who pack it for kubuntu
[12:00] <ShalokShalom> how muc canonical is in kubuntu ? :)
[12:00] <ShalokShalom> *much
[12:01] <BluesKaj> http://www.blue-systems.com/
[12:02] <ShalokShalom> they do that ? PERFECT
[12:02] <ShalokShalom> i love netrunner :)
[12:02] <ShalokShalom> thanks ;)
[12:16] <F-3000> Hi! Does someone know how to get the prompt, that is shown normally when booting from liveCD, with USB multiboot? I've tried to google for it several times by now.
[12:17] <F-3000> I use GRUB2 with my multiboot.
[12:17] <F-3000> Not 100% sure was it 2, though, grub nonetheless.
[12:20] <F-3000> Everyone's busy with newest release, or is it siesta, or something? :D So quiet here (as general). :P
[12:20] <BluesKaj> F-3000, did you opt for autologin when installing kubuyntu?
[12:21] <BluesKaj> kubuntu rather
[12:21] <F-3000> BluesKaj: autologin as kernel option? No.
[12:22] <BluesKaj> by the prompt I'm assuming you want the virtual terminal after the greeting page ?
[12:23] <F-3000> BluesKaj: When you boot from actual CD, at the very first you get the menu where you select whether you want to try distro, install it straight away, etc. I meant that one.
[12:24] <BluesKaj> you don't get that with the actual installed OSA , only with the c d or usb image
[12:24] <BluesKaj> OSA=OS
[12:25] <BluesKaj> only with live media in other words
[12:25] <F-3000> BluesKaj: I'm booting with USB stick that has GRUB and multiple ISO files for different distros.
[12:26] <F-3000> multilive? I don't know whether it's been named with major concensus yet. :P
[12:27] <BluesKaj> F-3000, so you want to run the OS off live media ?
[12:28] <F-3000> BluesKaj: I'm trying to install Kubuntu, but when booting normally ("try Kubuntu" option from liveCD), installer fails.
[12:29] <BluesKaj> F-3000, check the kubuntu image md5sum
[12:29] <F-3000> BluesKaj: That (closures)-part was with "for comparison" meaning.
[12:29] <F-3000> BluesKaj: I've done that, it's ok.
[12:30] <F-3000> kubuntu-14.04-desktop-i386.iso: OK
[12:30] <BluesKaj> describe "fails"
[12:30] <F-3000> Ever heard of "ubi-manpart error 141"?
[12:30] <BluesKaj> wubi ?
[12:31] <F-3000> Nope. That's the funny part.
[12:31] <BluesKaj> never heard of that error
[12:32] <F-3000> I think I need to reproduce it to get the name correct...
[12:34] <F-3000> First, partition manager on the installer fails with error 141. Then, installer gets stuck while it shows message "retrieving time" (or something) on the bottom bar.
[12:35] <F-3000> BluesKaj: But first part of the sympthoms is, that message is displayed where is said that partition manager fails to "format" swap.
[12:36] <F-3000> I'll keep the english this time to get the terms more correct. :P
[12:37] <BluesKaj> F-3000, recommend you prepartition your hard drive before installing then you can use manual partitoning to help install, makes it easier IMO.
[12:37] <F-3000> BluesKaj: I *HAD* to do that, because Kubuntu 14.04 chokes without swap.
[12:37] <F-3000> BluesKaj: I mean, when RAM is as low as 1GB.
[12:38] <BluesKaj> ok, then make your swap 2G at least
[12:38] <F-3000> BluesKaj: I must say that I hate it when I'm always asked, if I'd want to unmount the USB-disk, which is irrelevant for the install-process.
[12:40] <F-3000> BluesKaj: And then, manual partitioning is only option, since "Guided" gives only USB (sdb) as only available HD, totally ignoring sda.
[12:41] <BluesKaj> F-3000, I always use gparted live cd to set up my ext4 and swap partitions previous to installing Kubuntu, as I posted before
[12:42] <F-3000> BluesKaj: Partitioning: sda1: ext4, /, ~20GB; sda2: swap, ~2GB; sda3: ext4, /home, ~137GB.
[12:42] <BluesKaj> then just use the manual partitioning during the install
[12:43] <F-3000> BluesKaj: First error: (title) Failed to create a swap space
[12:43] <F-3000> The creation of swap space in partition #2 of SCSI3 (0,0,0) (sda) failed.
[12:44] <BluesKaj> yes, that's fine altho 20G for / is a bit much , you safely run 10-12g if you keep things cleaned up in /
[12:44] <F-3000> BluesKaj: Then asks again whether I'd want to unmount sdb.
[12:44] <F-3000> BluesKaj: Wont be my laptop. ;)
[12:45] <BluesKaj> F-3000, try to put your swap at the end of the drive
[12:45] <F-3000> BluesKaj: Then second error: ubi-manpart crashed; ubi-manpart failed with exit code 141. Do you want to [...]
[12:46] <BluesKaj> well if you don't have any data opn the drive I recommend a new partition table, then reformat and startover
[12:46] <F-3000> BluesKaj: If I select "Ignore", installer goes onward, and gets stuck with "Getting the time from a network time server... 100%" on the bar at the bottom.
[12:47] <F-3000> BluesKaj: Installer doesn't crash, but it doesn't advance either.
[12:48] <BluesKaj> could be a hardware recognition problem
[12:49] <luc4> Hello! Anyone who also see 0.0KB/s for network history in the system monitor?
[12:49] <F-3000> BluesKaj: I've had this situation before with another computer as well. Difference was, that I got the erroneous situation with Kubuntu 64 bit on that desktop. With this laptop, I don't get even this far with 64 bit, and 32 bit ends like 64 did on the desktop.
[12:50] <BluesKaj> F-3000, try acpi=off with F6, when at the try or install screen
[12:51] <F-3000> BluesKaj: Can't get to that menu, as I'm booting from ISO-file. Although, I can add that to the kernel options in grub. I'll give that a try. :)
[12:52] <BluesKaj> ok , i have to leave for 30mins or so ...BBL
[12:52] <F-3000> BluesKaj: Alright. :) Later!
[13:01] <F-3000> BluesKaj: Installer went further without error now, until getting time (subprocess) crashed. Then, retrying crashed installer, as it ran out of memory. Installer didn't restore swap after unplugging it?!
[13:24] <BluesKaj> F-3000, try the minimal installer, then install kubuntu-desktop from the optional packages
[13:24] <BluesKaj> !minimal | F-3000
[13:30] <F-3000> BluesKaj: Where I can get that? I went to look for "alternative" earlier, but couldn't find it.
[13:31] <F-3000> What's easiest way to erase MBR?
[13:31] <F-3000> Although, I don't know if that's necessary...
[13:32] <lordievader> F-3000: Minimal != alternative. And why do you want to erase the MBR? Sounds like a really bad idea.
[13:33] <F-3000> lordievader: Why it's bad idea? Its going to be "reset" anyways when I install Kubuntu on it.
[13:33] <F-3000> Newer GRUB.
[13:33] <lordievader> F-3000: Not the entire MBR. It also contains the partition table.
[13:34] <F-3000> lordievader: If I happen to erase that too, then I just need to repartition, right? :) Its "empty" HD anyways. Any of the earlier data is irrelevant.
[13:35] <F-3000> lordievader: And I know that minimal != alternative, but I didn't see anything but ordinary ISOs on the Kubuntu DL page.
[13:35] <lordievader> F-3000: Could you answer why you want to erase the MBR?
[13:35] <jalo> dd if=/dev/null /dev/hd1 -bs512 -c1
[13:36] <F-3000> lordievader: To ensure that any content in there wont be bothering the new installation. But I doubt it's gona be a problem. I just recreated partition table.
[13:36] <BluesKaj> F-3000, alternate is no longer available, minimal is the text install now
[13:36]  * lordievader doesn't see how that would be a problem
[13:37] <F-3000> lordievader: As I thought as well after some pondering.
[13:37] <lordievader> So no need to erase the MBR.
[13:37] <F-3000> BluesKaj: I couldn't find anything but normal 32 and 64 bit install ISOs from Kubuntu download page.
[13:38] <F-3000> BluesKaj: Oh, and upgraders. There's no link to minimal or anything else.
[13:38] <lordievader> F-3000: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[13:38] <BluesKaj> check the minimal url post above
[13:39] <jalo> Are there developers out there. I got the 14.04 installation from cd broked too. Any work arounds?
[13:41] <jalo> md5sum is ok.
[13:41] <F-3000> jalo: How it failed?
[13:41] <BluesKaj> jalo, look at the F6 options on the try/install kubuntu screen
[13:41] <jalo> I just got black screen.
[13:42] <jalo> Ok. I will be back in few minutes.
[13:44] <alket> Im booting with Kubuntu 14.04 live cd because I want to partition my drive but I can't Resize it in KDE Partition Mangaer
[13:45] <BluesKaj> alket, recommend gparted live cd
[13:45] <lordievader> alket: What can't you resize? NTFS?
[13:45] <alket> lordievader: I have all the hardisk formated with Kubuntu 14.04 I want to create a partition to store the clonezilla
[13:45] <alket> image
[13:46] <alket> and some other files also
[13:46] <lordievader> alket: Oke, is the drive fully partitioned?
[13:47] <alket> lordievader: is there a terminal command which I can pastebinit ?
[13:48] <lordievader> alket: "sudo fdisk -l /dev/<something>" if it ain't GPT.
[13:49] <alket> lordievader: these folders are after /dev/ : sda       sda1      sda2      sda5      sg0       sg1       shm/      snapshot  snd/      sr0       stderr    stdin     stdout
[13:49] <lordievader> !paste | alket
[13:49] <lordievader> It is probably sda btw.
[13:50] <alket> lordievader: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7373025/
[13:51] <lordievader> Ah you are using lvm, do you simply want to create a new logical volume?
[13:52] <alket> lordievader: I dont know what that is, but I want to make some space to store some files permanently
[13:53] <lordievader> alket: Make an lv, put a filesystem on it and mount it?
[13:55] <jalomann> Ok. I got a second laptop booted. I am on F6 menu.
[13:55] <lordievader> alket: Or am I failing to understand?
[13:56] <alket> lordievader: im sure that im failing to explain, what I really want is to have a partition so I can store files, so if I mess my system, those fiels won't be affected
[13:56] <BluesKaj> jalomann, try acpi=off
[13:56] <jalomann> Ok. I will.
[13:58] <lordievader> alket: As long as you don't blow up sda a logical volume on that physical volume is safe. But, as allways, be sure to have a backup.
[14:01] <jalomann> It boots up now. Thanks.
[14:04] <BluesKaj> jalomann, yw
[14:04] <jalomann> www.twitter.com/jalomann
[14:10] <jalomann> I will change a blank harddisk for 14.04
[14:36] <jalomann> Hey! What's up. I have installed kubuntu a lot previously. Now it fails again. Has this something to do with systemd?
[14:37] <jalomann> I got: failled to change the mode of /etc/passwd- to 0600
[14:49] <BluesKaj> jalomann, never heard of that error
[14:51] <BluesKaj> BBL
[14:51] <jalomann> Usually kubuntu istalls like mac.
[14:51] <jalomann> I started again. I got it forward.
[14:51] <jalomann> It is installing now.
[14:52] <BluesKaj> ok good
[14:52] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[14:55] <jalomann> I can cope with these but I just recommended kubuntu for some of my friends.
[14:57] <F-3000>  jalomann: Kubuntu 14.04 feels good - once it installs successfully. ;)
[14:57] <jalomann> Looking forward to it. I am a big fan of kubuntu.
[14:58] <F-3000> I was about to get rid of a PC with 2GHz cpu as "too old", but looks like I'll be selling it as Kubuntu desktop after all.
[15:01] <F-3000> Cant wait to install Arch with KDE on my own laptop. :)
[15:02] <jalomann> What's advantage with Arch?
[15:02] <F-3000> No distro versions.
[15:03] <F-3000> I hate the current half-year cycle with Ubuntu (and it's forks).
[15:03] <jalomann> I see..
[15:03] <lordievader> F-3000: Use the lts, then you only need to switch once every 5 years ;)
[15:04] <jalomann> Yeah. That's why I am updating now.
[15:05] <F-3000> lordievader: Problem with LTS is, that it gets only security-updates after 14.10 is published. Any non-security-related bug wont be fixed (unless an app gets update, which is more rare).
[15:05] <jalomann> But still I hate to search and install all software again.
[15:05] <lordievader> F-3000: Kubuntu offers backports of KDE software.
[15:06] <F-3000> backports... hmm...
[15:07] <F-3000> lordievader: Is backports how much of a "hassle"?
[15:08] <lordievader> F-3000: One like in the terminal and an update ;)
[15:10] <F-3000> When backports can be enabled? Just wondering regarding my clients whom get Kubuntu. And if I'm able to enable backports even before 14.10 comes out, so that they don't have to do it.
[15:11] <lordievader> F-3000: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports?field.series_filter=trusty
[15:12] <F-3000> lordievader: So it actually can be enabled already? That sounds very good.
[15:13] <lordievader> F-3000: There ain't much in there for Trusty, only calligra.
[15:15] <F-3000> lordievader: I assume it's going to expand more over time, especially once 14.10 comes out, right?
[15:15] <BluesKaj> arch is ok, but there's nothing special about it, just because it's a rolling release
[15:16] <lordievader> F-3000: Look at Precise KDE 4.13 will almost land for that ;)
[15:16] <F-3000> Only reason I'm interested of the rolling release style is that I don't have to reinstall my OS again.
[15:19] <BluesKaj> F-3000, I just do-release-upgrade, but i keep things clean
[15:28] <jalomann> So far, so good. But they didn't have time to fix panel clock.
[15:31] <BluesKaj> panel clock is fine, just use the settings options
[15:33] <jalomann> I have xxx" monitor and if I drag panel to left the date dissappears.
[15:33] <jalomann> I know, this is a kde issue.
[15:35] <BluesKaj> do you see the arrows in the panel when you click on the cashew on the right ? those are used to adjust your panel size from left to right and vice-versa
[15:36] <rberg> Hello all, what does avahi-daemon do? its using too much cpu
[15:37] <rberg> I killed it an 'chmod -x' it.. basically I am wondering what I just broke :)
[15:37] <jalomann> Yes I do. The problem is that the date and fades out when I move the panel to left.
[15:38] <BluesKaj> rberg, http://en.kioskea.net/faq/739-disabling-the-avahi-daemon
[15:40] <rberg> BluesKaj: Thanks!
[15:40] <BluesKaj> jalomann, it needs more room than you're giving it by reducing the size , so the date is sacrificed
[15:41] <BluesKaj> jalomann, increase the panel height
[15:41] <EC1> any kubuntu full desktop distro iso available on net?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> EC1, http://www.kubuntu.org/
[15:44] <EC1> its come with some applications but not full application like PCLINUX OS
[15:46] <BluesKaj> EC1, you can do a full upgrade once installed
[15:48] <EC1> i want to distribute to my friends who loved my laptop with ubuntu but they dont have internet all the time conneced so if full disto iso possible then it's good for them
[15:51] <BluesKaj> and what you mean by a full desktop is a matter of preference anyway , there are thousands of packages available for Kubuntu EC1
[15:54] <TheFakeazneD525> EC1: for me, there are 71000+ packages
[15:54]  * TheFakeazneD525 has a few ppas enabled, so more like 60somethingthousand
[15:57] <rcw2> any quick fixes for chromium in 14.04
[15:57] <TheFakeazneD525> rcw2: what for
[15:57] <rcw2> the no keyboard input problem
[15:59] <StayFrosty> hey, can i ask a question about a problem with kde here?
[15:59] <BluesKaj> rcw2, quick fix , what do you mean?
[16:00] <BluesKaj> if it's kubuntu related StayFrosty, yes
[16:00] <StayFrosty> just a minor problem, my firefox doesnt show folder icons in submenus in the icon bar
[16:01] <silv3r_m00n>  i am using oxygen-gtk theme for GTK3 theme in system settings > application appearance > GTK, and it seems to stick to a font size of 10pt always, no matter what i select, how to fix this ?
[16:01] <StayFrosty> do you know how to fix that?
[16:02] <BluesKaj> StayFrosty, do yopu mean the bookmarks toolbar
[16:02] <StayFrosty> yes (sorry, im not a native speaker)
[16:02] <rcw2> BluesKaj, fishing for ideas.  i updated/graded the os, maybe there's something else i can do?
[16:05] <F-3000> BluesKaj: Was able to install Kubuntu thru minimal. One mistake tho, installed boot into /dev/sda, while it was supposed to go into sdb (minimal had USB and inner HD swapped for some reason). Now need to install driver for nVidia. *sigh*
[16:05] <BluesKaj> StayFrosty, right click in open space above the address bar and choose the bookmarks toolbar
[16:06] <BluesKaj> ih firefox
[16:06] <modern> is there a kubuntu server release
[16:06] <BluesKaj> F-3000, there's no need for a boot partition
[16:07] <F-3000> BluesKaj: Boot sector.
[16:07] <BluesKaj> !kubuntu-server
[16:07] <BluesKaj> !ubuntu-server
[16:08] <BluesKaj> modern,^
[16:08] <F-3000> I have Debian 7 as server OS.
[16:08] <BluesKaj> modern, most server installs don't use a desktop
[16:08] <StayFrosty> BluesKaj, and then? i mean when i have a folder in the bookmarks toolbar, and then a folder in this folder, the folder icon doesnt appear
[16:09] <modern> I go want a gui but I am guessing I can add obe through apt-get
[16:10] <BluesKaj> StayFrosty, the bookmarks toolbar folders just contain urls afaik
[16:10] <BluesKaj> modern, yes
[16:11] <BluesKaj> modern, or you can choose one during the server installation
[16:11] <modern> oh even easier.. cool thanks
[16:13] <StayFrosty> but i have a subfolder in the folder? or are you saying that then there cant be an icon for the subfolder?
[16:14] <BluesKaj> StayFrosty, seems so, but I can't say for sure, because I've never tried it
[16:14] <Pici> ;36
[16:14] <F-3000> StayFrosty: As far as I'm aware, a folder in bookmarks cannot have a custom image. Maybe it can be changed with addon, but I'd expect that to switch the icon for every folder in FF.
[16:15] <BluesKaj> StayFrosty, you can drag a folder into another
[16:15] <F-3000> StayFrosty: Ignore me, I think I'm not on the map about what you two are talking about..
[16:17] <StayFrosty> yes thats what i was doing, but then no icon :D but its not that important anyway
[16:19] <BluesKaj> StayFrosty, i mean place the 2 folders in the toolbar then drag one into the other
[16:20] <StayFrosty> yes but then i have no icon of the folder, which i dragged into the other
[16:20] <BluesKaj> that's odd , it worked here
[16:22] <BluesKaj> ok BBL , errands...
[16:22] <StayFrosty> okay, thanks anyways :)
[16:34] <silv3r_m00n> in which file are the gtk appearance settings saved ?
[16:45] <edu> .
[16:47] <F-3000> BluesKaj and lordievader, thanks for your asistance. I got now 64 bit Kubuntu running on the laptop. Still some finetuning to be done, but it works good.
[17:03] <phoenixz> Ever since I installed 14.04, after a few hours my WIFI suddenly disconnects, and then it will not ever connect again until I reboot. See http://pastie.org/9131198 for a dmesg output.  This seems to happen more when either I have a very high CPU load (or when my laptop starts swapping a lot) or usually about a few hours after the laptop woke up after a suspend. Anyone who might know what this could be?
[17:03] <phoenixz> Also, is there a way I could kickstart the wifi again without rebooting? Maybe could I reload the wifi driver or something?
[17:09] <lordievader> F-3000: Nice congratulations :)
[17:23] <byzr49> sall all
[17:23] <byzr49> cn e roman pe acia?
[17:28] <yossarianuk> Firefox 29.0 - theme doesn't really work with Kubuntu's default one...
[17:38] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, FF uses the gtk theme set in system settings>application appearance afaik
[17:39] <deeplodokus> hi. i've got 2 machines running kubuntu. i'd like to redirect audio output from the laptop as an input on the desktop so that i can play videos/audio on the laptop with all sound coming out from the desktop
[17:40] <deeplodokus> i've found tutos for ubuntu using pulseaudio/pavucontrol/paprefs but i couldn't get it to work
[17:48] <alan_smith> hello guys, I had a perfectly working kubuntu install, but since it was an extremely old install I decided to wipe it and install 14.04 again to get a clean system, however, it won't even boot from liveusb... i've tried blacklisting nouveau but it hangs with blinking cursor, nomodeset also hangs after the text-mode loading thing (mobo beeps once, hangs at black screen). nvidia gtx560, pentium g3220 (haswell)
[17:48] <alan_smith> any help?
[17:49] <alan_smith> kubuntu was working a treat, inclusive across various hardware upgrades (incl mobo)
[17:51] <alan_smith> i've tried installing lubuntu also because the liveusb boots but there's no charm that makes it boot from disk, tried about everything, purged nouveau, installed various versions of the proprietary driver...
[17:53] <alan_smith> **tumbleweeds rolling around**
[17:58] <dougiel> anyone know how to change the clock from utc to display the real time
[17:59] <lordievader> dougiel: I think right click clock -> Digital Clock settings -> time zone tab
[18:00] <BluesKaj> dougiel, you're real time is probly on america central time, correct?
[18:01] <dougiel> thanks lordievader yes you are right...yes BluesKaj, and is set to central
[18:02] <BluesKaj> alan_smith, try the F6 option acpi=off at the try/install kubuntu screen
[18:02] <alan_smith> BluesKaj: ok, brb, thanks
[18:05] <BluesKaj> dougiel, make utc isn't checked off as well, I've seen that happen in the past
[18:05] <BluesKaj> make sure
[18:09] <dougiel> BluesKaj, K... checking
[18:11] <dougiel> BluesKaj, UTC was checked and I did not even know it scrolled so I did not do it - lol...
[18:11] <alan_smith> nope, with noacpi=off it hangs with a blinking cursor
[18:11] <dougiel> kubuntu using MS as a model or something?
[18:12] <dougiel> alan_smith, you booting an install disk?
[18:12] <alan_smith> dougiel: yes, 14.04 65bit
[18:12] <alan_smith> 64
[18:12] <alan_smith> not disk, usb drive thouigh
[18:12] <dougiel> oh I was gonna say the 65 bit ver is borked
[18:13] <dougiel> lol - nvidia card alan_smith ?
[18:13] <alan_smith> dougiel: yep, gtx560
[18:13] <dougiel> not laughing at alan_smith - I think he is going thru what I did
[18:13] <dougiel> asus
[18:13] <dougiel> or evga?
[18:13] <alan_smith> pny
[18:13] <dougiel> does not matter anyway do the net install
[18:16] <dougiel> or any text install and you... IMO it is a graphic driver issue and you just dont see the gui... but that is an opinion alan_smith - always confirm my rants with the smart ppl in the channel
[18:18] <alan_smith> dougiel: is there a way to force vesa? when I upgraded my vga from amd to this nvidia i had kubuntu on hdd and I could install the driver using the safe graphical mode, which uses vesa I think.... perhaps there's some way to force it... BluesKaj was helping me with the issue
[18:19] <BluesKaj> alan_smith, nouveau is the default for nvidia gpus, but the higher end cards will run better with the nvidia-331
[18:20] <alan_smith> BluesKaj: what happens when you blacklist nouveau from the boot options (nouveau.blacklist=1)? does it revert to vesa?
[18:20] <alan_smith> BluesKaj: and gtx560 is not high end nor new afaik
[18:22] <BluesKaj> alan_smith, normally blacklisting nouveau isn't necessary and the gtx560 is higher end then my 8400gs which runs fine on the 331
[18:23] <BluesKaj> than
[18:24] <BluesKaj> and i don't think vesa will run the nvidia , perhaps it will run the onboard amd/ati
[18:25] <alan_smith> BluesKaj: isnt it possible that the problem is somewhere else? I've tried installing lubuntu, which boots fine from liveusb, but it simply won't boot from disk, i've tried installing the recommended nvidia (304) from recovery mode, no deal, tried purging nouveau, still no deal, tried installing 331.20, now even the recovery mode won't boot (http://imagebin.org/308526), and i've tried all boot parameters combinations one can imagin
[18:26] <alan_smith> BluesKaj: the onboard is intel, then i upgraded to an amd card, then to this nvidia, and always with the same kubuntu install and always worked perfectly, i only needed to boot the safe graphical mode to install the proprietary drivers
[18:27] <dougiel> 560 is higher end
[18:27] <BluesKaj> alan_smith, how did you install 14.04 , via do-release-upgrade or clean install?
[18:27] <alan_smith> and of couse i upgraded my mobo and processor and always with the same kubuntu install and it always worked a treat
[18:28] <alan_smith> BluesKaj: i didn't, instead of upgrading my existing kubuntu i decided to wipe the disk and install a 'clean' iso - worst decision ever.... now I can't even boot the iso
[18:28] <BluesKaj> oh from an image on a usb, sorry forgot
[18:30] <BluesKaj> alan_smith, best route atm is to try the minimal install , suddenly there seems to ne alot of HW recognition probs
[18:30] <BluesKaj> !minimal
[18:31] <dougiel> anyway... I don't know much about using linux but installing it is very familiar to me as I just reinstall when I break it over th last 10 years so when I say that nvidia card will not work IMO is not just a guess I have tryied to resolve the exaCT same issues alan_smith is having and the net install fixed it for me but you intel on board is where ytour vid is going did you plug a monitor into that one?
[18:32] <alan_smith> BluesKaj: is it possible that the problem is my mobo? It's dual-bios but I deactivated efi... i'm asking this mostly because when i boot with nomodeset, the bios beeps and then the thing freezes...
[18:32] <alan_smith> dougiel: hmmm.... going to try to plug the monitor on the onboard card next time
[18:33] <dougiel> err... onboard may be your saving grace... and have had the nvidia intel conflict on a notebook
[18:33] <alan_smith> or perhaps just disable the intel card directly in the bios?
[18:33] <dougiel> no
[18:33] <dougiel> plug your monitor into the mobo
[18:33] <alan_smith> i'm going to try that, than try the minimal install, thank you BluesKaj & dougiel :)
[18:34] <dougiel> np
[18:34] <alan_smith> brb
[18:34] <dougiel> happy to share my opinion - lol
[18:34] <dougiel> waiting with bells on :)
[18:35] <BluesKaj> alan_smith, open the uefi bios and use the legacy mode and enable usb install
[18:35] <dijx> hi, some problems in 12.04 backports - package libkgapi2-2
[18:35] <dougiel> BluesKaj, the minimal install that is how I had to do it... missed him
[18:35] <BluesKaj> usb boot rather
[18:35] <BluesKaj> bummer
[18:36] <dijx> libkgapi2-2 version is 2.0.1 and some other packages requires version 2.1.0
[18:36] <dougiel> he said he was coming back if you are leaving I will watch and tell him what you said...
[18:36] <BluesKaj> damn uefi
[18:36] <dijx> ie libpimcommon4 in kdepim
[18:36] <dougiel> uefi - deja vu
[18:39] <BluesKaj> yeah i had some issues with this laptop with uefi, I saw the legacy mode and an option called flash back
[18:40] <BluesKaj> the flashback didn't seem to do much but the legacy mode was the key to a successful install
[18:40] <dougiel> I think I had an issue for about 20 seconds ran to BluesKaj and disabled and install right off on the laptop...
[18:41] <dougiel> but the desktop did/does the same thing alan_? was discribing
[18:43] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: yes - I mean the new tabs look a bit odd (firefox 29)...
[18:43] <dougiel> BluesKaj, does alan have 2 machines or does he keep booting bakc and forth?
[18:43] <BluesKaj> dougiel, not sure
[18:44] <dougiel> if so BluesKaj looks like he gave up or the intel card worked...
[18:44] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, FF 28 here, but no FF upgrades here yet
[18:45] <BluesKaj> dougiel, think he's going the minimal route, so he might be away for a few more mins
[18:46] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: you not on 14,04 ?
[18:46] <yossarianuk> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/firefox
[18:46] <BluesKaj> nope, Im on 14.10 :)
[18:47] <yossarianuk> you'll see what I mean when you install it ... (unless you had modified tabs, etc)
[18:47] <yossarianuk> 14.10 - ah of course...
[18:48] <BluesKaj> FF here is fine so I'm not gonna fool with it , yossarianuk
[18:49] <dougiel> BluesKaj, minimal... too bad, I guess on the bright side he was not a first time user (He knows it's worth the work)
[18:49] <yossarianuk> you'll get it in an update soon - don;t get me wrong ff  29 is great - just the tabs look odd in kubuntu...
[18:49] <dougiel> alan_smith, :)
[18:50] <alan_smith> yay! it worked! plugging a monitor on the onboard output didn't help,  but disabling the onboard card on mobo made everything work like a charm!
[18:50] <yossarianuk> I can't work with chrome .... the way blocks of text copies is wrong...
[18:50] <alan_smith> thank you BluesKaj and dougiel ! :)
[18:51] <dougiel> excellent... that minimal install is hell, I would not wish that on anyone not eve alan_smith :P
[18:51] <dougiel> even
[18:51] <alan_smith> :) lols
[18:51] <dougiel> happy everything worked out, so nice when it does
[18:52] <dougiel> and it always does in one distro or another but nice to see ubuntu workign great on so many rigs
[18:53] <BluesKaj> alan_smith, good to hear :)
[18:57] <alan_smith> yeah, clearly the problem was some kinda conflict of the vgas... since the nvidia driver were loaded and running, but none of the 3 video outputs were displaying anything (1 onboard 2 on vga),  I think perhaps it was outputting to a dummy output or something... no idea... one strange thing is that when i disabled the onboard vga I have more ram now, I assume that the ram is allocated to the onboard vga even when you're not using it.
[18:57] <alan_smith> perhaps the mobo is just too cheapo
[18:59] <BluesKaj> usually pci cards have added memory to help carry the memory load
[19:00] <dougiel> alan_smith, I have a 10 year old computer that does the same thing and I cannot explain it either... Oh but my mobo is not low end there is something about nvidia but cannot pinpoint it and it does not sound like a common problem...
[19:01] <alan_smith> computers are getting crazy these days :)
[19:01] <dougiel> ... and your symptoms were the same as mine but I have no onboard - I dont know, but here it has been happening since 12.04
[19:02] <dougiel> arent the tho
[19:02] <dougiel> they
[19:03] <alan_smith> the first thing i'm gonna do once I upgrade my mobo again is to disable the onboard VGA... you get more RAM and fixes compatibility issues. They should be automatically disabled once the mobo detects an offboard VGA imho, since it's not possible to use both at the same time there's no use to keep both enabled.
[19:04] <dougiel> alan_smith, you cant use both at the same time?
[19:04] <dougiel> didnt realize that
[19:05] <alan_smith> dougiel: well, afaik nope... otherwise it would be cool to use the onboard one while the offboard does opencl/cuda calculations
[19:05] <BluesKaj> sometimes higher end pci gpus require more wattage than most regular desktop psus can provide and users forget to check the minimum power the pci gpus require
[19:05] <alan_smith> you can use two at the same time if they're both nvidia or amd
[19:05] <alan_smith> BluesKaj: mine is oversupplied
[19:06] <dougiel> my son has a 560
[19:06] <dougiel> ti
[19:06] <BluesKaj> yeah I'm thinking about a 500-600 watt
[19:07] <alan_smith> have a friend that has a gt540 and a gtx580, while the 580 renders stuff using cuda (cycles), he can continue using the computer with the 540, pretty cool stuff :)
[19:08] <alan_smith> on my rig I can't use while it renders... it's so damn slow... i almost never use cuda/opencl stuff though
[19:08] <dougiel> rendering = kdenlive rendering?
[19:09] <alan_smith> BluesKaj: nope, i had a 500w but it didn't support haswell processor, atm i'm with a corsair 430w, but i only have 2 hdds and the processor is 54w tdp, no disk drives whatsoever
[19:09] <alan_smith> dougiel: nope, Blender rendering
[19:09] <alan_smith> cycles
[19:11] <alan_smith> 2*ddr3, 54w processor, gtx560, 2 hdds, 15w mobo... 430 w is more than enough
[19:13] <alan_smith> this system should't eat more than 250w at peak :)
[19:14] <dougiel> alan_smith, sorry to bug you - I only rendered in kdenlive... how many watts is the 560? ... on my laptop with 670 and it takes about 3 min to render 1 min of video with audio, we are talking about the same thing?
[19:14] <alan_smith> 560 is 150w
[19:14] <dougiel> ty
[19:14] <alan_smith> i don't know what is kdenlive
[19:14] <alan_smith> lemme google
[19:15] <dougiel> video editor
[19:16] <alan_smith> yeah, as long as kdenlive uses cuda to render, I think it's the same thing as cycles, it's just a bunch of calculations using the vga
[19:17] <dougiel> lol I don't know blender and you don't know kdenlive, I think it is the same thing as blender alan_smith - thot so... so can you do anything like dist cc with rendering?
[19:20] <alan_smith> dougiel: well, yes, blender is a 3d package but it also have a compositor and video editor, everything uses cuda/opencl technology (latest version)
[19:21] <alan_smith> dougiel: is kdenlive stable for production? it seems quite good
[19:22] <alan_smith> remembers me of cyberlink powerdirector
[19:22] <alan_smith> the screenshots at least
[19:24] <coco> hey guys
[19:24] <coco> i have a quick question
[19:24] <alan_smith> btw, is there any way to get firefox tabs on title bar, so I can click them on the edge of screen when maximized?
[19:24] <coco> wa??
[19:25] <coco> oh woops! wrong irc
[19:25] <coco> XD
[19:26] <F-3000> foormea: I was able to record (with Audacity) a startup demo music of a game (Syndicate by Bullfrog) by connecting desktop's headphone output  to laptop's mic input (using that mp3 as a ringtone). I think it should be possible to output mic input (without actually recording) with Audacity.
[19:28] <BluesKaj> looking for a decent video converter since ffmpeg was dropped avconv doesn't do the job for those pesky .ts files that the BBC etc seem to stream< audio synching and video artifacts are the norm even on vlc playback
[19:32] <BluesKaj> mplayer has audio sync problems altho the video is decent
[19:32] <dougiel> alan_smith, it is in the repos and yes was stable all 2 times I used it - lol... idk tho I have only used it for a couple of months tho
[19:59] <kc5791> hey all...My wireless/wired connections became inoperative after my son was on th
[20:03] <kc5791> hey all...My wireless/wired connections became inoperative after my son was on my laptop..i am on another comp...
[20:10] <BluesKaj> kc5791, did he update/upgrade the system
[20:13] <kc5791> I dont really know what he did...he was messin with a phone..
[20:14] <lordievader> kc5791: Did he hit the wifi kill switch?
[20:14] <kc5791> I have tried that...but I have it set in setup to be enabled
[20:15] <lordievader> Can you pastebin the output of "sudo rfkill list"?
[20:15] <lordievader> !paste
[20:16] <kc5791> I cant...I have no internet connection on that computer
[20:16] <lordievader> Right... If you check the output is anything blocked?
[20:18] <kc5791> when I put that in console..nothing happens
[20:19] <lordievader> No output at all?
[20:20] <kc5791> just gives the header again for next entry...he really screww
[20:20] <kc5791> screwed it up
[20:21] <lordievader> kc5791: Is your wireless card still listed under iwconfig?
[20:22] <kc5791> nope...just eth0 l0...says no wireless extensions after each
[20:24] <kc5791> I had a eth0 connection..but I reinstalled the b43 packages and it dont work again'
[20:25] <lordievader> Phew, does "lspci|grep Network" give anything?
[20:28] <kc5791> Broadcom corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g wlan (rev 01)
[20:29] <lordievader> kc5791: Ok, it is recognized :), what driver is loaded? (lspci -k|grep -A2 Network)
[20:33] <kc5791> SAYS a2 COMMAND NOT FOUND
[20:34] <kc5791> srry bout caps
[20:36] <lordievader> What did you type exactly?
[20:40] <kc5791> Broadcom corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g wlan (rev 01) Subsystem: Dell Wireless, 1390 WLAN Mini-Card , Kernal Driver in use: wl
[20:40] <kc5791> I had typed in the wrong way
[20:44] <lordievader> Hmm that should work.
[20:44] <kc5791> he disabled them somehow...
[20:48] <lordievader> Ask him if he remembers, I don't really see what the problem can be. Does he know your password?
[20:49] <kc5791> he said he don't remember...he knew it then..not now
[20:50] <lordievader> Then he couldn't do any real harm, have you rebooted the machine?
[20:50] <kc5791> yes...many rtimes
[20:51] <kc5791> I am just going to reinstall I suppose...
[20:52] <lordievader> Really strange, but I must say I am out of ideas.
[20:53] <kc5791> well...thanks anyway...you have helped me before and I really do appreciate that..well...reistall time...lol
[20:53] <kc5791> peace and have a blessed day
[23:00] <pedahzur> Riddell , et al: Thanks for teh 4.13 packages (this is 12.04).  I went to do a dist-upgrade, and I got this: https://gist.github.com/jkugler/a5e6b6703be93a4bca22 Note all the packages that are going to be removed.  If I just do an 'upgrade' (and not dist-upgrade) I get a bunch of packages "being held back."  Glitch?
[23:02] <pedahzur> Riddell: here is the dist-upgrade again, run with -o debug::pkgproblemresolver=true https://gist.github.com/jkugler/966917e2c8666fb97915
[23:11] <Riddell> pedahzur: hmm
[23:12] <Riddell> pedahzur: pastebin apt-cache policy kmail; apt-cache policy kdepim-runtime
[23:12] <Riddell> ?
[23:14] <pedahzur> Riddell: https://gist.github.com/jkugler/9e3ce7bcfb091bc5c62b
[23:21] <Riddell> pedahzur: ok I think I see the problem, libkgapi needs to be copied, not sure why that didn't show up in my tests before
[23:24] <pedahzur> Riddell: Is that a new package?
[23:25] <Riddell> new version
[23:27] <pedahzur> Hmm...because apt-cache tells me that I don't even have that package available on my machine.
[23:27] <pedahzur> Riddell: does it go my a slightly different name?
[23:28] <pedahzur> *by
[23:29] <valorie> Riddell:
[23:29] <valorie> $ apt-cache policy libkgapi
[23:29] <valorie> N: Unable to locate package libkgapi
[23:29] <tsimpson> it's libkgapi2-2
[23:30] <Riddell> mm it is new to precise
[23:30] <pedahzur> Riddell: Ah!  new to precise makes sense.
[23:31] <valorie> but: paste.kde.org/pvugraou3
[23:31] <valorie> ah, tsimpson already got there
[23:31] <pedahzur> Riddell: Ah, yes, apt-cache show libkgapi2-2 does show version 2.0.1 is available.
[23:31] <doctorpepper> can anyone help me please . i have a small issue  with baloo, i have indexed my home directory  and when i use the search plasmoid  (milou )  i dont get any result except for bookmarks and application
[23:32] <Riddell> pedahzur, valorie: copied the new version, will probably take a wee bit for index to update
[23:32] <pedahzur> Riddell: Great, thanks so much!
[23:32] <valorie> quick work!
[23:32] <Riddell> meh, annoyed and confused I didn't see it when I tested earlier
[23:41] <pedahzur> For all who care: it's there! :)