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[15:01] <cjwatson> slangasek: around?
[15:03] <cjwatson> ... guess not
[15:03] <cjwatson> #startmeeting
[15:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu May  1 15:04:04 2014 UTC.  The chair is cjwatson. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:03] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:04] <cjwatson> #topic lightning round
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[15:04] <cjwatson> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh bdmurray slangasek cjwatson xnox caribou infinity mvo)
[15:04] <cjwatson> jodh barry bdmurray caribou cjwatson mvo infinity doko slangasek xnox stgraber
[15:04] <jodh> * foundations-1305-upstart-work-items:
[15:04] <jodh>   - cgroup support: Reworking async test suite.
[15:04] <jodh> * misc:
[15:04] <jodh>   - Raised MP for libnih test fix:
[15:04] <jodh>     https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/ubuntu/trusty/libnih/fix-test-output-crash/+merge/217199
[15:04] <jodh> ὅ
[15:04]  * slangasek waves
[15:04] <slangasek> sorry I'm late
[15:04] <barry> ubuntu/debian: LP: #1308714, LP: #1290847, debian bug 743620, debian bug 741832, pytest 2.5.2-1, reviewed and sponsored pyotherside for zyga.  still have work to do on fixing ensurepip for python 3.4
[15:05] <cjwatson> aha.  feel free to take over insofar as meetingology will let you :)
[15:05] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1308714 in python-pip (Ubuntu Utopic) "sudo pip install installs into the system dist-packages by default" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1308714
[15:05] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1290847 in python3.4 (Ubuntu) "pyvenv fails due to mising ensurepip module" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1290847
[15:05] <ubottu> Debian bug 743620 in python-enum34 "python-enum34: broken symlink: /usr/share/doc/enum/rst -> html/_sources" [Minor,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/743620
[15:05] <ubottu> Debian bug 741832 in src:flufl.i18n "flufl.i18n: FTBFS: error: /«PKGBUILDDIR»/.pybuild/pythonX.Y_2.7/build/flufl/i18n/README.rst: No such file or directory" [Serious,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/741832
[15:05] <barry> phone: LP: #1313822, LP: #1313930, autopilot py3-only, autopilot-legacy (py2), porting ap tests to py3: address-book-app, gallery-app, friends-app.  reviewed notes-app.
[15:05] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1313822 in autopilot (Ubuntu) "Split source package into autopilot and autopilot-legacy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1313822
[15:05] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1313930 in camera-app "Port camera-app autopilot tests to Python 3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1313930
[15:05] <barry> done
[15:05] <cjwatson> #chair slangasek
[15:05] <meetingology> Current chairs: cjwatson slangasek
[15:05] <cjwatson> there
[15:05] <slangasek> :)
[15:05] <slangasek> all these fancy meetbot commands
[15:06] <bdmurray> this covers about two weeks although I was on holiday for a couple of days last week
[15:06] <bdmurray> fixed daisy oops with python-distro-info being outdated
[15:06] <bdmurray> reported, tested, and fixed daisy bug 1310809
[15:06] <bdmurray> research into indicator sound failures to retrace
[15:06] <bdmurray> research into bug 1298683 regarding daisy causing swift tracebacks
[15:06] <bdmurray> submitted RT #69861 regarding increasing swift's client_timeout
[15:06] <ubottu> bug 1310809 in Daisy "apport transient errors cause retracers to hang" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1310809
[15:06] <bdmurray> updated daisy-retracer cron job for user counting with Ubuntu 14.10 and Ubuntu 14.04
[15:06] <ubottu> bug 1298683 in Daisy "daisy is causing swift tracebacks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1298683
[15:06] <bdmurray> pushed errors changes for Ubuntu 14.0 and added milestones for 14.04.1 and 12.04.5
[15:06] <bdmurray> updated assets.ubuntu.com for errors
[15:07] <bdmurray> updated retracer config files fixing some issues
[15:07] <bdmurray> investigation into iwfldump crashes for seth forshee, evan
[15:07] <bdmurray> worked on a script to remove data from the OOPS CF in cassandra to save space
[15:07] <bdmurray> sru verification of bug 1069019, 1310851, 1172740
[15:07] <bdmurray> uploads of distro-info-data for stable releases with the new release - utopic
[15:07] <ubottu> bug 1069019 in software-properties (Ubuntu Saucy) "[software-properties-gtk] can not delete, enable or modify any software source with non-ASCII characters in the comment" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1069019
[15:07] <ubottu> bug 1310851 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Trusty) "Failed to fetch window does not appear" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1310851
[15:07] <ubottu> bug 1172740 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "Quantal->Raring: UnicodeDecodeError: in NotEnoughFreeSpaceError" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1172740
[15:07] <bdmurray> uploaded Saucy SRU for bug 1203919
[15:07] <ubottu> bug 1203919 in update-manager (Ubuntu Saucy) "update-manager crashed with SystemExit in exit(): 0" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1203919
[15:07] <bdmurray> updated meta-release file for trusty, and with utopic
[15:07] <bdmurray> bug triage of ubuntu-release-upgrader, update-manager bug reports
[15:07] <bdmurray> updated bugbot to mark duplicates of upgrade issues due to cinnamon (LP: #1279762)
[15:07] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1279762 in cinnamon (Ubuntu) "upgrade to 14.04 from 13.10 failed - cinnamon fails to upgrade" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1279762
[15:07] <bdmurray> uploaded a saucy fix for ubuntu-release-upgrader bug 1310851 aka bug 1241660
[15:07] <ubottu> bug 1241660 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "DistUpgradeFetcherCore error messages not displayed" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1241660
[15:07] <bdmurray> submitted mp for ubuntu-archive-tools to quote package version in rate of crashes email
[15:07] <bdmurray> ubiquity bug triage (verifying whether or not media identifies correctly)
[15:07] <bdmurray> overrode increased crash rate for sflphone (package conflicts with a ppa version)
[15:07] <bdmurray> pinged mvo about software-properties regression found by the phased updater
[15:07] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:08] <cjwatson> I see no caribou here, so
[15:08] <cjwatson> Some more bits and pieces of utopic setup, including getting image builds going.
[15:08] <cjwatson> livefs in LP:
[15:08] <cjwatson>  - https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/db-livefs/+merge/217206 ready for (re-)review.
[15:08] <cjwatson>  - https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/livefs/+merge/217261 (main body of change) finished off and ready for review.
[15:08] <cjwatson>  - https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/livefs-garbo/+merge/217784 (GC to avoid unbounded librarian growth) done and ready for review.  Discussed implications for cdimage with Adam.
[15:08] <cjwatson>  - Working on browser code (i.e. a basic web UI; not intending to do anything fancy, just enough).
[15:08] <cjwatson>  - Acquiring significant headache potential from Zope, which is only saved from being a more voluminous error message generator than C++ by the fact that you have to write vast quantities of XML first.
[15:08] <cjwatson>  - I think I have about another day or two of straight LP development, then it's reviews/QA/deployment (but hopefully that should parallelise a bit better with other things) and the cdimage work.
[15:09] <cjwatson> Backported a couple of GRUB network stack fixes (bug 1314134).
[15:09] <ubottu> bug 1314134 in grub2 (Ubuntu Trusty) "network stack never yields control on busy networks" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1314134
[15:09] <cjwatson> Write-up of click escalations passed to Michael.
[15:09] <cjwatson> A bunch of syncs, merges, transitions and suchlike.
[15:09] <cjwatson> Helped to trial a new OpenVPN setup for LaMont.
[15:09] <cjwatson> ..
[15:10] <xnox> mvo infinity doko -> excused themself. Should their reports be pasted in?
[15:11] <slangasek> if you wish, but I assume everyone can see it in their mail and they're not available for cross-examination anyway :)
[15:11] <slangasek>  * continue to make forward progress on the java role
[15:11] <slangasek>  * discussions around go support
[15:11] <slangasek>  * archive merges
[15:11] <slangasek>  * beginning to prepare for Malta
[15:11] <slangasek> (done)
[15:11] <xnox> * SRU work:
[15:11] <xnox>    - Sent patch to cjwatson for bug #1275162, cking revived his
[15:11] <xnox>      hardware, will test once in utopic
[15:11] <xnox>    - Crafted upstart job for gnome-keyring for bug #1271591 -
[15:11] <xnox>      gpg/ssh/secrets/gnome-keyring agents should now be available in
[15:11] <xnox>      upstart user-sessions. Once dust settles, will SRU into trusty
[15:11] <ubottu> bug 1275162 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "incorrect efibootmgr command is set by update-grub under OVMF" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1275162
[15:11] <xnox>    - Figured out that to solve bug #1242572 we first need
[15:11] <ubottu> bug 1271591 in gnome-keyring (Ubuntu) "upstart job race prevents gnome-keyring from being ssh agent" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1271591
[15:11] <xnox>      xkeyboard-config to support "super+space" combo for switching
[15:11] <ubottu> bug 1242572 in xkeyboard-config (Ubuntu) "xkeyboard-config, console-setup, and ubiquity should use Super+Space for switching keyboard layouts" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1242572
[15:11] <xnox>      layouts. Tested multiple patches from maarten lankhorst. Once
[15:12] <xnox>      that lands, we can patch console-setup/ubiquity to support and
[15:12] <xnox>      use super+space by default.
[15:12] <xnox>    - Uploaded fix for bug #1285312
[15:12] <ubottu> bug 1285312 in mdadm (Ubuntu Trusty) "Setting up mdadm (3.2.5-5ubuntu3) freezes after calling grub1's update-grub from postinst" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1285312
[15:12] <xnox>    - verified ubiquity trusty sru bug #1309458
[15:12] <ubottu> bug 1309458 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[kubuntu] ubiquity installer crashes when clicking release notes link" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1309458
[15:12] <xnox>    - ubiquity got accepted for bug #1277706
[15:12] <ubottu> bug 1277706 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) "ubiquity in precise-updates, doesn't have tight enough dependency on python-apt leading to crashers" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1277706
[15:12] <xnox>    
[15:12] <xnox> * Unicorns:
[15:12] <xnox>    - did some transition
[15:12] <xnox>    - some forwarding patches to debian/getting packages in sync
[15:12] <xnox>    - working on x86-android toolchain, i have one that works locally
[15:12] <xnox>    will upload it for rsalveti to cross-check. should resolve bug #1305315
[15:12] <xnox> * Futurum:
[15:12] <ubottu> bug 1305315 in gcc-i686-linux-android (Ubuntu) "Android container fails to start when built with the gcc-i686-linux-android toolchain" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1305315
[15:12] <xnox>    - should we auto-upgrade people to grub2 from grub1?
[15:12] <xnox>    - better upstart/init.d integration
[15:12] <xnox> ..
[15:12] <stgraber> Short week, was off on Friday and Monday for NorthSec 2014.
[15:12] <stgraber> Containers:
[15:12] <stgraber>  - Went through the rather massive lxc-devel backlog.
[15:12] <stgraber>  - Getting ready for a 1.0.4 bugfix release (for both utopic and trusty)
[15:12] <stgraber>  - netns related kernel debugging:
[15:12] <stgraber>    - tc rules won't work in unprivileged containers (kernel patch sent to lkml)
[15:12] <stgraber>    - tearing down a netns with filtering rules may panic the host (bug 1314274)
[15:12] <ubottu> bug 1314274 in linux (Ubuntu) "BUG in nf_nat_cleanup_conntrack" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1314274
[15:12] <stgraber>    - systems with around 500 IPv6 routing tables, each with over 100 routes
[15:12] <cjwatson> grub2 from grub1> we probably ought to have done this years ago but I think at this point it is likely a waste of effort
[15:12] <stgraber>      overflow some table and lead to random failure to sendmsg/recvmsg.
[15:12] <stgraber>  - Submitted talk proposal for LinuxCon NA 2014 about
[15:13] <stgraber>    "Simulating the Internet with unprivileged LXC containers" based on what
[15:13] <stgraber>    we've been doing for NorthSec 2014.
[15:13] <stgraber>  - Been looking at getting a unity8-preview container to work.
[15:13] <stgraber> Networking:
[15:13] <stgraber>  - Looking into a few ifupdown/bridge-utils/vlan races
[15:13] <stgraber> System-image:
[15:13] <stgraber>  - Switched devel* over from trusty* to utopic*
[15:13] <stgraber>  - Updated the customized channels to work for utopic
[15:13] <stgraber> Other:
[15:13] <cjwatson> (though it might, arguably, amount to a giant grub (legacy) merge)
[15:13] <stgraber>  - Patch pilot
[15:13] <stgraber>  - Some SRU reviews
[15:13] <stgraber>  - Started poking at my merges
[15:13] <stgraber>  
[15:13] <stgraber> I'll be at the Cloud sprint next week, then mostly off the two weeks after that
[15:13] <stgraber> (only working on the 16th, 19th and 20th) and I'll see you all in Malta!
[15:13] <stgraber> (DONE)
[15:14] <cjwatson> stgraber: Doesn't a unity8-preview container basically mean that you can't operate on the host (e.g. do sysadmin like upgrading the kernel) from your session?
[15:15] <cjwatson> I had been working on the belief that that strategy wasn't terribly viable because of that
[15:15] <xnox> cjwatson: i thought something simple like make a transitional package (grub-common?) that depends on grub-pc, and leave it at that. Such that people at-least get the "upgrade to grub2" prompts.
[15:16] <cjwatson> xnox: well that's basically what the merge would do (definitely not grub-common though!)
[15:16] <xnox> cjwatson: =)
[15:16] <slangasek> cjwatson: grub2 from grub1 a waste of effort> we continue to have grub1 in main, and continue to receive bug reports about it (mostly misdirected, but still).  How can we sunset it so we're not carrying it into eternity?
[15:16] <cjwatson> xnox: if you want to tackle the gigantic merge, then I don't mind
[15:16] <stgraber> cjwatson: well, the current scope is a simple unity8 session, only /home would be shared and we woudln't attempt to keep packages in sync. So indeed not terribly viable as a real work environment but seems to cover the limited cases people appear to care about at this time.
[15:18] <xnox> 0.97-29ubuntu66 with 0.97-67 -> the version mismatch does look gigantic =)
[15:18] <cjwatson> I think we could at least get grub out of main this cycle; it's mostly there so that it can be selected via preseeding; but it would be worth checking whether it's still needed for xen (and I should go and chase up the final packaging bits of pv-grub2, which need some protocol definitions written up and handed to the xen folks)
[15:19] <cjwatson> stgraber: mm, I just thought that we'd get more real testing if people could actually (in theory) use it all the time rather than having to switch back in order to do anything non-trivial
[15:19] <cjwatson> which I realise probably isn't possible yet but surely the target is to make it be possible
[15:20]  * xnox personally would want container-like thing
[15:20] <stgraber> cjwatson: I'd expect those users to simply use utopic then
[15:20] <xnox> when i flip the screen on my laptop into tablet mode, i would just want the container to launch. When i flip back, i'd just get back to unity7 session.
[15:20] <cjwatson> stgraber: I guess
[15:21] <cjwatson> well, if you think that would actually meet realistic requirements, then it would certainly get certain parties off our collective backs :)
[15:21] <xnox> cjwatson: i believe above strategy is what's needed for trusty based convertable devices for example.
[15:22] <stgraber> cjwatson: well, I think it can meet asac's requirements as he presented them to me the other day (those may have changed entirely in between but nobody spoke to me since :)), assuming I can get the damn thing to work :)
[15:22]  * slangasek grins
[15:22] <xnox> =)))))
[15:22] <cjwatson> yeah, I meant "and users would want to use it" as well
[15:23] <cjwatson> but I guess we'll see
[15:23] <slangasek> well, we know it's much less functional
[15:23] <slangasek> the fact that we're able to deliver any functionality on trusty at all is going to be a win, IMHO
[15:24] <slangasek> any other questions re: status?
[15:25] <slangasek> [TOPIC] targeted bugs
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[15:25] <slangasek> [LINK] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-t-tracking-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:25] <slangasek> I don't imagine we want to go through all of these today
[15:25] <slangasek> so this is just a light nag, we still have a lot of unassigned bugs there and the overall list doesn't look any shorter than last week... :)
[15:26] <slangasek> please make some time to take a bug or two off of this list
[15:26] <slangasek> (removal from the list by nominating it for removal from the list instead of fixing is allowed :)
[15:27] <slangasek> please? :)
[15:27] <cjwatson> I'll sort out a couple today/tomorrow
[15:27] <bdmurray> okay
[15:27]  * barry nods
[15:27] <slangasek> great, thanks
[15:28] <slangasek> bdmurray: are there any other bugs we should have our eye on right now?
[15:29] <bdmurray> slangasek: not that I haven't pinged people about
[15:29] <slangasek> fair enough :)
[15:30] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Malta
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[15:30]  * jodh sobs
[15:31] <bdmurray> slangasek: some of the bugs in that list have been 'fix committed', they just need verification
[15:31] <slangasek> so if there are any topics that you want to discuss within the team or with other teams at the end of the month, please bring them to me this week / next week
[15:32] <slangasek> there's a google doc for gathering topics, so just let me know what you need added there: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1zWQBVjJLBOwfXQWibvw5H64EGn3ZKpU5XkTbx2zkUvI/edit
[15:33] <slangasek> jodh: maybe somebody can bring you back some maltaed milk balls
[15:33]  * barry wants a falcon
[15:33] <jodh> slangasek: too kind, please don't deprive yourselves!
[15:33] <stgraber> slangasek: systemd-shim work with pitti, systemd + cgmanager work with pitti, system-image 2015 key generation (the relevant people should bring their usb keys)
[15:34] <slangasek> ah, fwiw, if I hadn't mentioned this, neither jodh nor barry will be joining us on the island; barry remote due to a pre-existing conflict, and jodh apparently didn't use his crystal ball before booking vacation
[15:34] <slangasek> so :)
[15:34] <slangasek> stgraber: can you drop those to me in email please?
[15:34] <stgraber> slangasek: sure
[15:34] <barry> 3am is a good time to work
[15:35] <slangasek> so consequently, if there are things in malta that you need jodh's input on, get it before you go; and for barry, call it out specifically so we schedule against his availability please
[15:35] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
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[15:35] <slangasek> anything else?
[15:36] <bdmurray> Is anybody familiar with win32-loader?
[15:36] <xnox> jodh: barry: =( balls
[15:36] <bdmurray> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Loader
[15:36] <cjwatson> Only very tangentially; it's in the same kind of general space as wubi
[15:37] <jodh> xnox: yeah, maybe the next meet-up can avoid school holidays :)
[15:37] <bdmurray> I was wondering if it might be worth looking at as a replacement for wubi.
[15:37] <xnox> slangasek: can i get msdn access? to poke os-prober at detecting various operating systems available with msdn subscription?
[15:38] <xnox> slangasek: or who should i talk to? (i heard rumour has it, there is some msdn subscription available)
[15:38] <slangasek> xnox: the answer should be "yes", but I don't know who owns our MSDN access currently; possibilities are ev, elmo, pgraner - could you email them and cc: me, to try to figure out who has it?
[15:39] <xnox> slangasek: ack.
[15:39] <cjwatson> Certainly worth a look if somebody's enthusiastic: problems I anticipate include (a) would need to get mingw-w64 into main so that we can build some of win32-loader's build-dependencies which have historically been disabled in Ubuntu to avoid the MIR; (b) given that it is only rather lightly maintained in Debian right now, we'd need to think about how much effort it would be to maintain so that we don't just end up back in the same ...
[15:39] <cjwatson> ... boat that we've been in with wubi
[15:41] <slangasek> ok
[15:41] <slangasek> anything else?
[15:42] <slangasek> #endmeeting
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[15:42] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu May  1 15:43:06 2014 UTC.
[15:42] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-05-01-15.04.moin.txt
[15:42] <slangasek> thanks, guys :)
[15:42] <barry> thanks!
[15:43] <jodh> thanks!
[15:43] <xnox> ta!
[15:45] <stgraber> thanks!
[16:23] <rsalveti> xnox: let me know once you get packages available somewhere so I can try it :-)
[16:23] <rsalveti> we could indeed try to force it in the android side, but got another weird broken behavior that I'm still investigating
[16:23] <xnox> rsalveti: yeah, working on getting them available.
[16:23] <rsalveti> awesome, thanks so much
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[16:34] <xnox> rsalveti: at the moment the toolchain builds fine on my local machine, hits ICE in i386 sbuild, missing dependencies in amd64 sbuild =)
[16:35] <rsalveti> alright :-)
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=== vladk|offline is now known as vladk
[21:57] <cjohnston> !rmb
[21:57] <ubottu> cjohnston, cyphermox, Destine, ejat,  hggdh, IdleOne, iulian, micahg,  Pendulum, PabloRubienes, freeflying, jared, s-fox, amachu, and chilicuil. Meeting time.
[21:58] <PabloRubianes> here o/
[21:58] <chilicuil> \o/
[21:58] <s-fox> Here
[21:59] <IdleOne> o/
[22:00] <cjohnston> #startmeeting
[22:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu May  1 22:00:19 2014 UTC.  The chair is cjohnston. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[22:00] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[22:00] <cjohnston> #voters chilicuil s-fox PabloRubianes IdleOne cjohnston
[22:00] <meetingology> Current voters: IdleOne PabloRubianes chilicuil cjohnston s-fox
[22:00] <cjohnston> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board meeting for 1 May, 2014. The wiki page for the Review Boards are available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards
[22:00] <cjohnston> We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.
[22:00] <cjohnston> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[22:00] <cjohnston> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[22:00] <cjohnston> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[22:00] <cjohnston> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively).
[22:00] <cjohnston> Now, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...
[22:01] <cjohnston> dakira, please tell us about yourself
[22:03] <dakira> hi. I'm a computer science student from Hamburg, Germany. I entered the Ubuntu community around the time 5.04 was released (mostly the German community at that time). Currently I'm modding /r/ubuntu on reddit.
[22:04] <dakira> I try to get that community lined up with the rest of the Ubuntu community (especially regarding the CoD).
[22:04] <IdleOne> Call of Duty!
[22:05] <dakira> he ;)
[22:05] <IdleOne> dakira: I know the ubuntu-de community is fairly active. Did you ask any of them for testimonials?
[22:08] <dakira> IdleOne: no.. I didn't mainly because I'm currently mostly active on reddit (where nhaines suggested I should apply for membership). I wouldn't call myself "active" on launchpad, but I've been getting into packaging for some time now and had my first two "successes" for 14.04 (getting libimobiledevice up to date and fixing a bug in totem before release).
[22:08] <IdleOne> ok, thank you.
[22:09] <dakira> IdleOne: nhaines also gave me a testimonial for my work on reddit.
[22:10] <dakira> IdleOne: err.. I meant CoC (Code of Conduct).. ;)
[22:10] <IdleOne> yes I know :)
[22:10] <cjohnston> #vote dakira for Ubuntu Membership
[22:10] <meetingology> Please vote on: dakira for Ubuntu Membership
[22:10] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[22:10] <IdleOne> +1
[22:10] <meetingology> +1 received from IdleOne
[22:11] <PabloRubianes> +1
[22:11] <meetingology> +1 received from PabloRubianes
[22:11] <chilicuil> +0
[22:11] <cjohnston> +1
[22:11] <meetingology> +0 received from chilicuil
[22:11] <meetingology> +1 received from cjohnston
[22:11] <s-fox> +0 more testimonials would be needed for my support
[22:11] <meetingology> +0 more testimonials would be needed for my support received from s-fox
[22:11] <cjohnston> #endvote
[22:11] <meetingology> Voting ended on: dakira for Ubuntu Membership
[22:11] <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:2
[22:11] <meetingology> Motion carried
[22:13] <cjohnston> dakira: at this time, unfortunatly, you do not have enough votes for membership. Please keep up the good work and try to get some more support from people and come back and apply again.
[22:13] <IdleOne> wait a moment please
[22:13] <dakira> cjohnston: all right ;) thanks
[22:15] <IdleOne> nevermind.
[22:16] <cjohnston> ratman: your up next. please tell us about yourself
[22:16] <ratman> hi
[22:16] <ratman> I'm Alejandro Esperon, mi wiki es https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ratman/EN. My English is pretty bad so I hope you pardon me. If you took a little time is that I am translating.
[22:16] <IdleOne> dakira: please come back in 2-3 months with a few more testimonials
[22:16] <ratman> I live in montevideo uruguay.The wiki contains more information about myself, I am using linux since 2001 about through various distributions of the time, and I use ubuntu since 2006, approximately
[22:16] <ratman> Although I have participated in the events from which the group organised, since 2012 and I will be part of the Council LoCo Team Uruguay.
[22:16] <ratman> My major contribution in the group I think they have been on the side of the organization, attention ubuntu booth, and the photographic record thereof. While I have also participated in providing some workshops on the use and customization of ubuntu, Also realize installations on computers at events so when the occasion presents me to help someone
[22:17] <dakira> IdleOne: yeah, no worries. I didn't know I needed more than one. I'm pretty sure mhall and others would have written one, if I had asked them.
[22:20] <cjohnston> #vote ratman for Ubuntu Membership
[22:20] <meetingology> Please vote on: ratman for Ubuntu Membership
[22:20] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[22:20] <s-fox> dakira:  maybe you could ask them and reapply? :)
[22:20] <IdleOne> +1
[22:20] <meetingology> +1 received from IdleOne
[22:20] <PabloRubianes> +1
[22:20] <meetingology> +1 received from PabloRubianes
[22:20] <s-fox> +1
[22:20] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[22:20] <cjohnston> +1
[22:20] <meetingology> +1 received from cjohnston
[22:21] <chilicuil> +1, hope to see you in the next ubuconla ;)
[22:21] <meetingology> +1, hope to see you in the next ubuconla ;) received from chilicuil
[22:21] <cjohnston> #endvote
[22:21] <meetingology> Voting ended on: ratman for Ubuntu Membership
[22:21] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[22:21] <meetingology> Motion carried
[22:21] <cjohnston> Congrats ratman!
[22:21] <PabloRubianes> Vamo arriba! ratman!
[22:21] <ratman> very thank
[22:21] <IdleOne> Congrats ratman :)
[22:21] <s-fox> Congratulations
[22:21] <ratman> :)
[22:21] <chilicuil> welcome abroad
[22:21] <ratman> gracias
[22:21] <cjohnston> moving on... jsjgruber your up.. please introduce yourself
[22:22] <jsjgruber> I'm an old-time computer software guy--dangerous with either a screwdriver or hammer.
[22:22] <jsjgruber> My launchpad, askubuntu, and irc id's are jsjgruber. My wiki page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnSGruber.
[22:22] <jsjgruber> I like to diagnose and often patch software bugs (since 2008), and help people out.
[22:22] <jsjgruber> I've long been a Michigan LOCO member, (though I live in Ohio), I have earned +7000 reputation points on AskUbuntu (I'm less active there now than I was a couple years ago but I still get on occasionally, particularly to follow up on questions I'm asked on old answers and see if there are any new questions I can help with) I've been maintaining Lernid since 2011 and I think I've made it more robust. I've also added features
[22:22] <jsjgruber> to make it more useful.
[22:24] <PabloRubianes> jsjgruber, hi, how is your involvement with your LoCo?
[22:25] <jsjgruber> I've attended jams, I presented Lernid to a local use group, MUG, during a LOCO sponsored program. Many of the MUG members use Ubuntu.
[22:25] <jsjgruber> That was in 2011
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[22:27] <PabloRubianes> ok jsjgruber
[22:28] <cjohnston> #vote jsjgruber for Ubuntu Membership
[22:28] <meetingology> Please vote on: jsjgruber for Ubuntu Membership
[22:28] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[22:28] <IdleOne> +1
[22:28] <meetingology> +1 received from IdleOne
[22:28] <s-fox> +1
[22:28] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[22:28] <cjohnston> +1
[22:28] <meetingology> +1 received from cjohnston
[22:28] <chilicuil> +1, I thank you for your work with lernid, with the upcoming google hangouts it seems it's been used less officially, but I it's been clearly a key software during the ubuntu classroom and ubuntu developer weeks
[22:28] <meetingology> +1, I thank you for your work with lernid, with the upcoming google hangouts it seems it's been used less officially, but I it's been clearly a key software during the ubuntu classroom and ubuntu developer weeks received from chilicuil
[22:28] <PabloRubianes> +1
[22:28] <meetingology> +1 received from PabloRubianes
[22:28] <cjohnston> #endvote
[22:28] <meetingology> Voting ended on: jsjgruber for Ubuntu Membership
[22:28] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[22:28] <meetingology> Motion carried
[22:28] <IdleOne> Congrats jsjgruber
[22:28] <s-fox> Congratulations
[22:28] <cjohnston> congrats jsjgruber
[22:29] <chilicuil> welcome jsjgruber =)
[22:29] <jsjgruber> Thanks everyone.
[22:29] <jose> congratulations, jsjgruber! keep up the good work!
[22:29] <PabloRubianes> congrats jsjgruber
[22:29] <cjohnston> With that, we are going to end the meeting. :-) Thanks everyone for participating
[22:29] <cjohnston> #endmeeting
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[22:29] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu May  1 22:29:40 2014 UTC.
[22:29] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-05-01-22.00.moin.txt
[22:29] <s-fox> Thank you all for coming
[22:30] <cjohnston> dakira: it's not that more than one testimonial is required, or always needed, but most of your work being done on reddit, it is hard for us to look at it and see what you have done, so when we aren't easily able to look and see what you have done, having more testimonials helps us..
[22:30] <s-fox> Thank you cjohnston for chairing
[22:30] <cjohnston> np
[22:30] <cjohnston> dakira: please do try to get some more support from people and come back in a couple of months and visit us again.
[22:31] <dakira> cjohnston: I understand.
[22:35] <PabloRubianes> thanks cjohnston
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[22:38] <dakira> cjohnston: see you in a couple of month.. and maybe on Reddit ;-)