[02:16] <dobey> init: Failed to spawn application-click (com.ubuntu.developer.dobey.kindle_kindle_1.0) main process: unable to switch security profile: No such file or directory
[02:16] <dobey> what does that mean exactly?
[02:16] <dobey> while file or director is not such?
[02:21] <dobey> oh, it seems there isn't a file in /var/lib/apparmor/profiles/ for my click :(
[02:26] <dobey> bah, even after i made one by hand, it still complains
[02:27] <jjohansen> dobey: maybe its complaining about the cache location?
[02:27] <dobey> how would i know?
[02:27] <jjohansen> dobey: give me a minute to find where that is again
[02:30] <jjohansen> dobey: /var/cache/apparmor/
[02:30] <dobey> yeah i copied it there and it didn't help
[02:30] <dobey> and that doesn't answer why click didn't create the necessary profiles when i installed the package
[02:30] <jjohansen> dobey: that needs to be the compiled version of policy there
[02:30] <dobey> oh
[02:31] <dobey> well, it's still giving the "no such file or directory" error
[02:31] <dobey> so i guess it's looking for a different file
[02:31] <jjohansen> dobey: hrmm, I'm not sure why click isn't creating the profile, but we can try to work through it
[02:31] <jjohansen> dobey: what does aa-status report
[02:32] <dobey> a bunch of profiles being loaded, none of which are mine
[02:33] <jjohansen> okay but what are the profiles? are you seeing other click profiles loaded?
[02:33] <dobey> yes
[02:33] <jjohansen> okay,
[02:33] <dobey> amazon, twitter, etc etc
[02:33] <dobey> basically every other app that's on my phone
[02:34] <jjohansen> what dirs exist in /var/lib/apparmor/
[02:35] <dobey> clicks and profiles as expected i presume
[02:37] <jjohansen> yep, and there should be related files in each,
[02:37] <jjohansen> eg. clicks/com.ubuntu.clock_clock_1.0.373.json and profiles/click_com.ubuntu.clock_clock_1.0.373
[02:38] <dobey> yes, and there are (now anyway, i created the profile file manually
[02:39] <jjohansen> dobey: what do you mean manually? Did you create a security manifest json file and then generate a profile from that?
[02:40] <dobey> no, i copied a profile for another webapp, and modified the data in the profile to reference my app id and such instead
[02:40] <jjohansen> ah, okay. So how click works is you create a security manifest file and the profile is autogenerated from that
[02:41] <dobey> yes, i did that in the package
[02:41] <dobey> but the profile wasn't generated for some reason (i have no idea why)
[02:41] <jjohansen> hrmmm, so you copied the json file into your package but the profile isn't being generated correctly?
[02:42] <dobey> anyway, now i've gone and removed the package, and reinstalled it, and click generated a profile, but it still fails to start
[02:42] <jjohansen> well and tweaked the file you copied
[02:42] <jjohansen> alright
[02:42] <jjohansen> well at least we have a profile
[02:43] <jjohansen> dobey: have you tried launching your app since the reinstall?
[02:43] <dobey> yes, it still fails
[02:43] <jjohansen> the profile may not be loaded until the app is started
[02:44] <dobey> but now for an apparently different reason
[02:44] <jjohansen> okay, after launching the app, is there a denial in the tail of dmesg?
[02:45] <dobey> yes
[02:45] <jjohansen> what is the denial?
[02:45] <dobey> for /usr/bin/qtchooser
[02:49] <jjohansen> dobey: can you pastebin me your app profile?
[02:50] <jjohansen> and the full denial message in dmesg
[02:55] <dobey> [ 2976.052836] type=1400 audit(1398912874.931:160): apparmor="DENIED" operation="exec" parent=1786 profile="com.ubuntu.developer.dobey.kindle_kindle_1.0" name="/usr/bin/qtchooser" pid=4434 comm="exec-line-exec" requested_mask="x" denied_mask="x" fsuid=32011 ouid=0
[02:57] <jjohansen> dobey: so that tells me that your apps profile is loaded and denying access to qtchooser
[02:59] <dobey> which makes absolutely no sense
[03:01] <jjohansen> dobey: well that is stepping outside the basic sdk, so its not that surprising
[03:01] <dobey> because it's using qml, and all the other qml apps work fine, with similar apparmor json, and manifest
[03:01] <dobey> jjohansen: no it isn't
[03:01] <jjohansen> oh hrmm entirely qml and doing that, that is weird
[03:01] <dobey> jjohansen: i am not using qtchooser
[03:01] <dobey> qmlscene is
[03:01] <dobey> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Jan 29  1970 /usr/bin/qmlscene -> qtchooser
[03:02] <dobey> so "qmlscene foo.qml" will always run qtchooser
[03:02] <dobey> so having qtchooser denied, makes absolutely no sense to me
[03:03] <jjohansen> dobey: can you pastebin your generated profile? qtchooser is actually being allowed in some of the click profiles I have looked at
[03:04] <jjohansen>   # Launching under upstart requires this
[03:04] <jjohansen>   /usr/bin/qtchooser rmix,
[03:04] <jjohansen>   /usr/bin/cordova-ubuntu* rmix,
[03:04] <jjohansen>   /usr/bin/ubuntu-html5-app-launcher rmix,
[03:05] <dobey> yeah, that is not in here
[03:05] <dobey> so why
[03:05] <dobey> but /usr/share/qtchooser *is* there
[03:06] <dobey> actually, for some reason, only /usr/bin/webapp-container is in this profile
[03:09] <dobey> ah ok, finally got it to work
[03:09] <jjohansen> dobey: did you copy a webapps manifest file?
[03:09] <dobey> had a webapp template specified in the json
[03:09] <jjohansen> yeah
[03:11] <dobey> hrmm, hitting some apparent redrawing issues in oxide though, when i scroll
[03:12] <jjohansen> oxide still has a few bugs to shake out
[03:13] <dobey> i wonder if i can specify some max-width in css for it somehow
[03:13] <jjohansen> but its worth poking at open bugs or pinging chrisccoulson
[03:37] <JoshStrobl> Just flashed trusty-proposed on to my Nexus 5. My god, I'm loving Ubuntu Touch.
[04:19] <wolflarson> w00t JoshStrobl good for you
[04:20] <wolflarson> i got it installed just a few days ago as well
[04:20] <wolflarson> its good stuff.
[04:25] <JoshStrobl> Yea. Bit finicky on my Nexus 5 (occassional lag and random app crashes..sometimes the app doesn't even load). But otherwise solid.
[04:26] <JoshStrobl> Tried getting Messaging (SMS / texting) to work but it hasn't. Fine though since my wife usually calls me anyways.
[04:27] <wolflarson> yea i tested calling but have not really tested to much yet. i could not get hidden wifi networks to work
[04:27] <JoshStrobl> I'll go ahead and test hidden wifi networks now.
[04:27] <wolflarson> cant find a way for me to sync all my google contacts yet
[04:27] <wolflarson> that would be a big bonus ... perhaps i should set up owncloud just to sync my contacts :)
[04:27] <wolflarson> i bet there is a way
[04:27] <JoshStrobl> my did it automatically when I added it into the Online Accounts
[04:28] <wolflarson> im dual booting so im just messing with it a few hours a day
[04:28] <JoshStrobl> And the call quality, according to my wife, was the same as it was when I was using Android...so w00t.
[04:28] <JoshStrobl> I'm dogfooding it 100%.
[04:28] <JoshStrobl> We'll see how long I last with that :D
[04:28] <wolflarson> brave guy ... i cant do taht yet
[04:29] <wolflarson> what version are you running?
[04:29] <JoshStrobl> r303
[04:29] <wolflarson> hmmm
[04:29] <wolflarson> 305 here ?
[04:29] <wolflarson>  i think
[04:30] <JoshStrobl> latest promoted image is r303... I didn't want to run totally bleeding edge
[04:30] <JoshStrobl> apparently contact sync is WIP and available via CLI...but it worked for me...
[04:30] <JoshStrobl> although...now that I think about it
[04:31] <JoshStrobl> could've been stored on my SIM, though I specified for it not too (it as in android)
[04:31] <wolflarson> right
[04:31] <JoshStrobl> didn't even think about that until now
[04:35] <JoshStrobl> hmm, wish I knew what ubuntu-touch-preview project to file this bug under. The welcome screen says "1 calls made today" when it should be "1 call made today"
[04:35] <JoshStrobl> as well as "1 photos", "1 songs"
[04:36] <JoshStrobl> But yea, this is a better experience than when I was running old Android 2.2.3 a long while back
[04:37] <JoshStrobl> think I'll ask in #ubuntu-phone
[04:38] <cwayne1> JoshStrobl: contacts sync works now from the system settings app
[04:39] <JoshStrobl> cwayne1: yea, thought so. I was pretty damn sure my contacts weren't being saved to my SIM
[05:07] <a_muva_> just want to report that browser is not working. Tried bookmarks as well entering URL manually. nothing works. I'm on 20140429 version.
[07:26] <buskila> hello, a newbie here... is it possible to use pulseaudio on ubuntu touch to record/playback voice in a phone conversation
[09:02] <piggz> hi .. i just compiled ubuntu phone for a new device ... the build suceeded and i got a zip file, however it is only 27mb .. what am i missing??
[09:47] <mpt> Laney, who is this m_pt scoundrel and why are they writing overcomplicated specs?
[09:49] <Laney> what a little scallywag
[09:50] <mpt> Rascal
[10:01] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:09] <Laney> bzoltan1: alex_abreu: is https://code.launchpad.net/~dbarth/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.remove-cordova-2.8/+merge/215098 still wanted?
[10:10] <mhr3> fginther, is there going to be a mess trusty->utopic transition on the ci jobs? asking to change them one by one isn't overly effective
[10:10] <mhr3> s/mess/mass/
[10:18] <piggz> ok, ive now built a .zip file for my device, however the boot.img is too big.  i think the boot parttion is 4mb, but the generated file is 5.3.  Any way to trim it down?
[11:38] <nik90> charles: Is this required MP https://code.launchpad.net/~charlesk/platform-api/alarm-api/+merge/207107 to enable alarms ringing while the phone is suspended?
[12:56] <fginther> mhr3, yes, there will be a mass transition, it's almost ready, just have a few test jobs that still need to get working with utopic
[12:56] <fginther> mhr3, but I should be able to switch the builds to utoptic today or tomorrow
[13:12] <mhr3> jhodapp, something broke on my phone with media-hub, was watching a video, and after a few minutes it regularly started to freeze for about a second (audio was still playing), and ultimately it stopped playing altogether
[13:12] <jhodapp> mhr3, yes known bug
[13:12] <jhodapp> thanks for confirming it :)
[13:12] <mhr3> jhodapp, alright, also i can't even play music now
[13:12] <jhodapp> oh really, that shouldn't be
[13:13] <jhodapp> mhr3, how many different music files have you tried?
[13:13] <jhodapp> mhr3, and are they mp3s?
[13:13] <mhr3> jhodapp, just the one that was paused in music app
[13:13] <jhodapp> what do you mean?
[13:14] <mhr3> jhodapp, i had music in music-app playing, switched to a video, after a few minutes ^^ that that thing happened, closed video-player, switched back to music-app, couldn't unpause
[13:15] <mhr3> now i closed music-app, restarted, still doesn't play
[13:15] <jhodapp> oh interesting
[13:15] <jhodapp> mhr3, I don't think I tried switching back to music-app when the video froze
[13:16] <jhodapp> mhr3, that means a main thread in media-hub-server is blocked
[13:16] <jhodapp> mhr3, well the real bug is that the video froze
[13:16] <jhodapp> mhr3, if I fix that, the other won't happen
[13:17] <mhr3> jhodapp, right
[13:17] <jhodapp> mhr3, how long did it take for video to freeze for you?
[13:17] <mhr3> jhodapp, quite a while... ~15minutes
[13:18] <jhodapp> yeah ok, it's fairly random
[13:18] <jhodapp> what device are you on?
[13:18] <mhr3> jhodapp, are things supposed to work after killing the media hub?
[13:18] <mhr3> jhodapp, cause they don't :)
[13:18] <jhodapp> it should
[13:19] <mhr3> and mako
[13:19] <jhodapp> mhr3, you did a restart media-hub?
[13:19] <mhr3> i did kill -11 [pidof media-hub-server]
[13:19] <mhr3> can get you the stacktrace if you want :)
[13:20] <jhodapp> mhr3, try this: stop media-hub and make sure it truly isn't there
[13:20] <jhodapp> mhr3, then start media-hub
[13:20] <mhr3> already rebooted
[13:20] <jhodapp> ok
[13:20] <jhodapp> next time it does that try that
[13:26] <pmcgowan> jhodapp, does media-hub normally respawn?
[13:26] <mhr3> jhodapp, might be tiny bit useful http://paste.ubuntu.com/7372920/
[13:26] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, yes
[13:26] <mhr3> jhodapp, (didn't crash in the epoll, that was me sending the sig)
[13:27] <jhodapp> mhr3, ok
[13:27] <jhodapp> thanks
[13:30] <tedg> mhr3, Terminal → Hud → Upload Crash Reports  :-)
[13:31] <mhr3> tedg, that actually works?
[13:31] <tedg> mhr3, No, it mocks you silently.
[13:32] <tedg> mhr3, Yes :-)  The problem is the automatic uploading, not the mechanism in general.
[13:32] <mhr3> tedg, coolio :)
[13:32] <mhr3> tedg, well, works, but fails with "No space left on device" :)
[13:33] <tedg> Heh, foiled again!
[13:33] <tedg> You should upload a report on the no disk space error…
[13:34] <tedg> mhr3, Also, now that we have that setup, if you have useful scopes commands to put as HUD entries there, that'd be cool.
[13:35] <mhr3> tedg, just did :)
[13:38] <cwayne1> t1mp: ping
[13:39] <mhr3> tedg, any idea how long does it take for the report to appear on euc?
[13:40] <tedg> mhr3, No, sorry ev_ probably does ^
[13:42] <tedg> mhr3, Wait, are you in the office? Go bribe ev_ with coffee.
[13:42] <ev_> he's in hampstead and on a standup call :D
[13:42] <mhr3> tedg, and no, i'm not :)
[13:43] <tedg> The solution here is clearly a catapult.
[13:43] <alex_ub> Hi, Is there anybody continuing to work on porting Ubuntu Touch on Samsung Galaxy S I9000? I followed instructions from http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/ubuntu-touch-galaxysmtd.txt. But, I am getting few errors in the build
[13:44] <nik90> jhodapp: hi, With the new media-hub, can it play flash videos from a remote url? I remember asking you this long time ago. just checking if that functionality made it in.
[13:45] <jhodapp> nik90, it can play videos with a remote URL, but it can't play flash videos yet
[13:45] <jhodapp> nik90, still on my todo list
[13:45] <nik90> jhodapp: ah okay
[13:49] <mhr3> jhodapp, oh does this mean videos on web finally work properly?
[13:50] <jhodapp> mhr3, depends :)
[13:50] <mhr3> jhodapp, looks like they do
[13:50] <mhr3> some of them anyway :)
[13:50] <mhr3> that's awesome
[13:53] <jhodapp> excellent
[13:53] <jhodapp> :)
[13:58] <kenvandine> i just switched to utopic on mako, none of my scopes show online content, is that expected?
[13:59] <kenvandine> s/expected/known/
[13:59] <kenvandine> i've confirmed network is working, the browser works
[13:59] <kenvandine> but no available apps, music or videos
[14:00] <kenvandine> humm... amazon and wikipedia scopes work
[14:01] <kenvandine> popey, ^^ does the music, apps, and videos scopes work for you?
[14:03] <popey> kenvandine: same
[14:03] <popey> no online content
[14:04] <popey> void {anonymous}::ReplyWrapper::downloadFinished(QNetworkReply*): Received network reply with error: Host search.apps.ubuntu.com not found
[14:04] <kenvandine> ugh
[14:05] <kenvandine> so maybe this isn't a utopic specific issue
[14:05] <kenvandine> maybe an IS issue
[14:05] <beuno> https://search.apps.ubuntu.com/api/v1/search?q=
[14:05] <beuno> server is working fine
[14:05] <kenvandine> ok
[14:05] <kenvandine> rules that otu
[14:05] <kenvandine> out
[14:06] <kenvandine> the amazon and wikipedia scopes work fine though
[14:07] <charles> nik90, no that's lp:~thomas-voss/platform-api/hw-alarms-api + lp:~charlesk/indicator-datetime/hw-alarms-api. I'm testing those two together yesterday & today
[14:12] <nik90> charles: ah okay..I was already tracking thomas's branch for that. So we need both the above branches for that to work
[14:13] <mterry> kgunn, can I get a tiny silo landing for lp:~mterry/ubuntu-touch-session/move-lightdm and lp:~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu-touch-session/packaging_robru?  These have been approved branches, just languishing without a silo
[14:14] <charles> nik90, right. the other one you mentioned earlier is basically a "clean C" public API for interacting with the alarms, if/when that lands indicator-datetime will dogfood it but it's not as high a priority as getting the sleep wakeups landed
[14:14] <kenvandine> popey, what log did you get that from?
[14:15] <popey> kenvandine: /home/phablet/.cache/upstart/scope-registry.log
[14:15] <popey> most recently written log file chosen at random
[14:15] <popey> could have been a network glitch of course
[14:15] <nik90> charles: understood. thnx
[14:15] <dobey> is there an sdk ppa or something that has new stuff from utopic, for trusty?
[14:15] <kenvandine> i have different errors
[14:16] <kenvandine> void {anonymous}::ReplyWrapper::downloadFinished(QNetworkReply*): Received network reply with error: Socket operation timed out
[14:16] <dobey> in particular, i need the new ubuntu-download-manager :-/
[14:16] <nik90> dobey: as far as I know, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/+archive/ppa is the SDK PPA
[14:17] <kenvandine> dobey, that's what pushed me to utopic, i needed udd changes in utopic for content-hub
[14:17] <kenvandine> udm rather
[14:17] <nik90> kenvandine: is there plans to backport udm, new conten-hub releases to trusty?
[14:17] <dobey> kenvandine: i'm trying to keep to trusty on my production PC hardware though :-/
[14:17] <kgunn> mterry: ack
[14:18] <kenvandine> nik90, i don't know
[14:18] <dobey> i guess i'll just make a recipe to have it in my ppa
[14:27] <kenvandine> popey, killing the click scope got that working
[14:29] <JoshStrobl> hey wolflarson, did you notice at all if your charge level percentage never got above 50% on your Nexus 5?
[14:30] <popey> kenvandine: "yay"
[14:30] <kenvandine> maybe the scopes can't handle starting before the network?
[14:30] <kenvandine> killing the others also fixed them
[14:30] <JoshStrobl> popey: any idea why the app docs still consider 14.04 the "development" version and seem to point to old saucy stuff by default?
[14:31] <kenvandine> but you need a search in each scope to trigger starting it again
[14:31] <popey> JoshStrobl: where?
[14:31] <kenvandine> actually, now i wonder if a search in each would have fixed it...
[14:31] <JoshStrobl> sec
[14:31]  * kenvandine reboots to test that theory
[14:32] <JoshStrobl> figured, saw it earlier when doing development and now I can't find the page :D
[14:33] <JoshStrobl> I still continue searching!
[14:33] <popey> JoshStrobl: browser history?
[14:33] <JoshStrobl> popey: it was like...8 hours ago, just go up
[14:33] <JoshStrobl> but yea
[14:34] <JoshStrobl> popey: http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/html-5/api/
[14:34] <popey> how did you get there?
[14:35] <JoshStrobl> Apps -> HTML5 -> APIs
[14:35] <popey> well, 14.10 isn't finished, so i guess that's why it's not listed
[14:35] <popey> mhall119: ^
[14:35] <popey> in fact it's barely started ☻
[14:35] <JoshStrobl> well I noticed the docs are still a bit rough in some places, gonna file some bugs after I get back home (going out to the pub)
[14:36] <mhall119> JoshStrobl: I just haven't taken the (Development) off the 14.04 docs yet
[14:36] <JoshStrobl> mhall119: all
[14:36] <JoshStrobl> *ahh
[14:39] <JoshStrobl> gonna write up some notes when I get back about points in the docs I think (as a newish UT dev) need improvements. as for now, gonna be off!
[14:58] <mzanetti> Saviq: hey, qq about unity-api
[14:58] <mzanetti> Saviq: so, we keep on bumping the version for the plugin, but always leave the import to 0.1
[14:58] <mzanetti> shouldn't that be related somehow?
[14:58] <Saviq> mzanetti, once they're stable, probably
[14:59] <mzanetti> Saviq: so you think binding them through cmake isn't a good idea?
[14:59] <mzanetti> i.e. bumping impl-api to 3 would automatically generate the import 0.3 or even 3.0
[15:00] <Saviq> mzanetti, tricky to work with
[15:00] <mzanetti> I'm just curious. feels a bit wrong what we're doing right now. not saying I want to change all of them now
[15:00] <Saviq> mzanetti, you'd have to work with cmake-generated files, the original ones won't load
[15:01] <mzanetti> yeah... but its just setting a define for the Plugin::registerTypes and maybe a generated qmldir file
[15:01] <Saviq> mzanetti, ah you mean from that side
[15:02] <Saviq> mzanetti, I was thinking from the shell side that'd be tricky
[15:02] <mzanetti> yeah... then, when you update unity to make use of the new version, you'd need to change the import statements
[15:02] <mzanetti> sounds like gained value for not /that/ much efforts
[15:02] <Saviq> not sure there's value gained right now
[15:02] <t1mp> cwayne1: hello
[15:02] <Saviq> it's not like we ever support more than one version at a time
[15:03] <Saviq> we could very well do without those versioned imports these days
[15:04] <mzanetti> yeah... we have that check through the package system...
[15:07] <cwayne1> t1mp: heya, just wondering if the header api was finalized yet?
[15:08] <doanac> mterry: sorry for lack of feedback on the unlock stuff. i'm going to try and spend time on it today
[15:13] <t1mp> cwayne1: no, it is not finalized yet. Because the planning is very tight, we decided to first bring the new header features with the old API
[15:14] <t1mp> cwayne1: so the new header now gets the actions from the tools that are already defined in the page and shows those actions in the header
[15:14] <t1mp> cwayne1: the MR for that is almost done
[15:14] <cwayne1> ah, wonderful, so we expect that to land soonish then?
[15:15] <cwayne1> so from a UX perspective, it'll be the same as with the new api, just the actual code will be different, right?
[15:15] <mterry> doanac, awesome
[15:15] <cwayne1> mterry: btw saw the greeter ux fixes landed in -proposed, it's SO MUCH BETTER now
[15:16] <mterry> cwayne1, sweet, glad you like it!  :)
[15:16] <cwayne1> watching people try to unlock the phones at mwc was straight-up painful, this will be so much easier :)
[15:16] <mterry> cwayne1, hm yeah, not a great first impression
[15:17] <t1mp> cwayne1: yes, it should go to our staging very soon  (max a few days), and if there are no issues with landing it will land in our trunk and in the image shortly after that
[15:17] <cwayne1> t1mp: that's fantastic news, thank you.  would you mind letting me know when it's about to land?
[15:18] <t1mp> cwayne1: okay
[15:19] <dobey> cwayne1: get a nexus 5, put one of the protective covers on it, and *then* try to do edge swipes with the bezel 1mm above the screen edge :)
[15:20] <cwayne1> dobey: i got a nexus 5, but no protective cover. i live dangerously.
[15:21] <dobey> cwayne1: yeah, i don't normally use them, but i suspect it will be a common thing for people to have on our phones
[15:21] <cwayne1> most likely
[15:21] <dobey> and left/right edge swipes are painful
[15:23] <Hourd> the nexus 4 is much nicer for edge swipes than the 5
[15:24] <dobey> Hourd: the 5 is fine, without a protective case on it
[15:24] <dobey> and the 5 is massively nicer hardware
[15:25] <dobey> it's just a bit too big
[15:28] <Tassadar> I like the size of n5 actually, every time I hold something smaller in my hands I'm like "how could I live with this for so long" ^^
[15:30] <dobey> Tassadar: probably resolution difference is causing that reaction
[15:30] <Hourd> yeah I love my N5
[15:31] <bact> my nexus 4 is too big for me
[15:31] <bact> I always have to reshift its position in my hand when I want to reach the corners one handed
[15:32] <dobey> yeah, the n4 is too big i think
[15:32] <bact> the moto x is a good size I hear
[15:33] <dobey> use a prē for 5 years, and larger phone sizes will make you realize how much you have to stretch your fingers, reposition the phone, or use two hands, to do things
[15:34] <cwayne1> i loved the pre
[15:34] <cwayne1> well the pre2
[15:34] <dobey> yeah, my pre3 is awesome
[15:35] <dobey> but there are no phones that size with the hardware i want, that can run ubuntu :(
[15:35] <bact> dobey: what about that upcoming meizu device?
[15:36] <dobey> bact: afaict, it is a ginormous device too
[15:36] <bact> shame
[15:36] <dobey> same with the bq
[15:36] <dobey> also not as sexy as the n5
[15:36] <bact> the moto g is a good size, shame its not a nexus
[15:37] <bact> have you heard about the rumours of this new silver program google is doing to replace the nexus/gpe line?
[15:37] <kenvandine> ginormous is all the rage these days
[15:37] <kenvandine> i like the size of the n4
[15:38] <kenvandine> i wish it was thinner
[15:38] <kenvandine> but otherwise it's the perfect size for me
[15:38] <dobey> bact: no, but the nexus name is pretty worn out now
[15:38] <bact> the n4 is very nice, but mine is always in a case.. so the nice curved edges are kinda lost on it
[15:38] <kenvandine> it's way to fragile to not have a case :/
[15:38] <dobey> kenvandine: i want the nexus 5 hardware, in the ubuntu edge size/case
[15:39] <Tassadar> how big was edge supposed to be?
[15:39] <bact> yeah, I'm super lucky the back on mine hasn't smashed on mine yet.. it seems attracted to the edge of tables.
[15:39] <dobey> kenvandine: haha, yeah. i was looking for an n4 on ebay and they are all "cracked screen/cracked back"
[15:39] <bact> it just slips right off
[15:39] <dobey> Tassadar: 4.5"
[15:39] <dobey> Tassadar: so slightly smaller than the n4
[15:39] <kenvandine> that's probably a good size
[15:40] <kenvandine> the pre3 was tiny wasn't it?
[15:40] <dobey> well the pre3 has the "gesture area" and a slide-out keyboard
[15:40] <kenvandine> dobey, you always like small things... still have that tiny laptop?
[15:40] <dobey> it's not a "the screen is the phone" design
[15:40] <dobey> i do, but that laptop is a gma500 (poulsbo), and an atom, so basically unusable with current ubuntu
[15:41] <bact> is that a netbook?
[15:41] <kenvandine> not that it was ever usable running at 1600x1200 on a 4" screen :)
[15:41] <bact> remember when netbooks were all the rage for a year?
[15:41] <kenvandine> this was much smaller than a netbook
[15:41] <bact> it seems everyone bought one.. then the fad just died
[15:42] <dobey> bact: it's an ultra portable, not a netbook
[15:43] <Tassadar> stgraber: hi, just noticed that "ubuntu-touch/stable" is currently alias for "ubuntu-touch/stable"
[15:43] <dobey> it's 260 dpi
[15:43] <stgraber> Tassadar: yep
[15:43] <stgraber> that's been done on purpose (as weird as this may look) :)
[15:43] <Tassadar> why? Oo
[15:44] <Efrem95> salve a tutti :)
[15:44] <dobey> kenvandine: so the full size of the pre3 with case and all, if it were rectangular is about 4" or just over it. so the edge is only slightly larger than the pre3
[15:44] <stgraber> it's so people "upgrading" from the old stable channel (alias to saucy) to the new stable channel (an actual non-alias channel) would get the new build even though the build ID was lower than their current one
[15:44] <Tassadar> oh, right, s-i-cli does full upgrade when the alias changes
[15:44] <stgraber> I'll drop that hack in a few months once we can reasonably assume everyone upgraded
[15:45] <Efrem95> vorrei istallare ubuntu touch sul mio samsung tab 2 10.1, ma non so proprio come fare
[15:45] <stgraber> right, it does it when the alias change, not when the alias is removed, unfortunately :)
[15:45] <dobey> err, no, case and all is just slightly smaller than the screen area of the n5
[15:45] <bact> what is utopic?
[15:45] <dobey> so if the edge is basically all screen, it's only very slightly larger than the pre3
[15:46] <dobey> anyway, need to get lunch
[15:46] <bact> oh.. the next ubuntu name.. doh
[15:50] <EC1> i have android phone with 512 ram ,quad core processor and 5 inch screen and all features.but i dont know from where to downlod and install ubuntu on my phone for testing purpose.
[15:52] <bact> EC1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[16:37] <surgemcgee> I am starting to remake Stock-ticker app and have been out of the looop for a while. What does this mean? --> "Theme not found: " "Ubuntu.Components.Themes.Ambiance"
[16:37] <surgemcgee> It brings stuff like this --> QML ActionItem: Warning: Style ToolbarButtonStyle.qml not found in theme Ubuntu.Components.Themes.Ambiance in 14.04
[16:49] <dobey> surgemcgee: do you not have all the bits installed?
[17:01] <popey> surgemcgee: what version of ubuntu you using?
[17:05] <kenvandine> Elleo, i've added i18n support to my content-hub branch
[17:05] <kenvandine> Elleo, but not really tested yet
[17:10] <lazowik> hi
[17:10] <lazowik> is it normal that I can't see any devel channels in ubuntu dual boot app?
[17:10] <lazowik> and the newest image to download is #188 (from trusty)
[17:13] <lazowik> especially in light of "All channels supported by the phablet-flash tool are also supported by the Ubuntu Installer on Android"
[17:13] <lazowik> (that seems outdated actually, as it refers to phablet-flash)
[17:14] <lazowik> (I'm on maguro)
[17:15] <Tassadar> maguro is no longer supported
[17:16] <lazowik> ah
[17:16] <lazowik> ok
[17:16] <lazowik> (as if it ever was)
[17:16] <lazowik> (officially)
[17:16] <lazowik> or do you mean at all?
[17:17] <Tassadar> the images for it are no longer built
[17:17] <Tassadar> same for grouper
[17:17] <lazowik> hmm, then I clearly have missed something :p
[17:17] <lazowik> thanks
[17:19] <ripjaws> hello
[17:28] <ripjaws> Guys I need some help
[17:32] <ripjaws> :(
[17:34] <bact> ripjaws: people would rather you just ask the question, rather than preface it with pleasantries, it locks them into the conversation before they even know they can answer it
[17:35] <ripjaws> bact, hehe
[17:35] <ripjaws> I am trying to port UT Trusty to my Xperia M
[17:35] <ripjaws> I am really new to this
[17:35] <ripjaws> and Wanted to ask if 4.4 Device tree would work
[17:35] <ripjaws> On CyanogenMod UT Base
[18:20] <kgunn> mterry:  ci-train worksheet decided to ignore my entry (re pkg update & lightdm change)
[18:20] <mterry> kgunn, robru mentioned there were some spreadsheet problems
[18:21] <kgunn> seems ok now, i reloaded and my changes are there now...for sure
[18:21] <robru> yep, it's pretty messed up. i don't see that line at all
[18:22] <robru> oh, there it is after a refresh
[18:22] <robru> bah, guys, ubuntu-touch-session is already in silo 2
[20:19] <daker> anyone having black pictures using N4 ?
[20:19] <daker> using the camera-app
[20:20] <kenvandine> daker, not me
[20:20] <kenvandine> daker, i'm on image 7 from utopic
[20:21] <daker> i am still one image 302 trusty
[20:21] <daker> on*
[20:21] <daker> the "stable" version
[20:21] <kenvandine> ok, i know it was also working on 303 from trusty last night
[20:23] <daker> the last image is 302
[20:23] <daker> sorry 303
[20:23] <daker> just checked it says 303
[20:30] <daker> kenvandine: you can see it here https://i.imgur.com/7d6DewQ.png, had to make a small capture(personal photos)
[20:31] <bact> daker: thought you were just going to show him a black image for a second there
[20:32] <daker> bact: hhh
[20:32] <wolflarson> JoshStrobl: my charge level seems to go above 50 if its not below 50 when i boot into it ... give me a few hours to test if it charges above it when its low
[20:33] <daker> bact: i did lost some precious photos :(
[21:40] <daker> if i upgrade from trusty to utopic, i'll lost my data ?
[21:41] <nhaines> daker: nope.
[21:42] <daker> nope what ?
[21:42] <nhaines> Nope, you won't loose your data.
[21:42] <daker> nhaines: sure ? :D
[21:42] <nhaines> daker: that's what they said on the mailing list when they announced it.  :D
[21:43] <nhaines> As long as you're using an official port you should be fine.
[21:43] <daker> does the camera work yet ?
[21:43] <daker> i mean the video button
[21:43] <nhaines> No idea.  I'm on trusty with a Nexus 5.
[21:43] <daker> ok
[21:43] <daker> thanks
[21:44] <nhaines> No problem. :)
[21:46] <dobey> i don't take a lot of pics with my phone, but i haven't had any issues with the camera on my nexus 5
[21:46] <nhaines> Ironically, video doesn't work for me on my N5 and I'm rather angry about that.  :P
[21:47] <nhaines> I'm going to have to do a backup and reflash everything.  Although I heard downgrading Android and then reflashing back to 4.4.2 fixes it.  So if we don't get 4.4.3 soon....
[21:49] <daker> nhaines: the button has been disabled before the 1.0
[21:50] <nhaines> I rarely take video with my phone, so I think the last time I tried in Ubuntu it was on saucy with my Galaxy Nexus.
[21:51] <daker> bug 1227293
[21:52] <nhaines> Hrm.
[21:59] <Electricus> hi
[22:08] <Electricus> i
[22:11] <daker> o/
[22:13] <Electricus> guys OT let me ask something
[22:14] <Electricus> this thing is confusing me whats the difference between a ARM7 and a ARMv7??. anyone
[22:18] <daker> Electricus: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.faqs/ka13706.html
[22:18] <Electricus> tnx for answering man daker!!. thumbs up
[22:50] <Jhoc> hello everyone.. good day
[22:51] <kostkon> Jhoc, hi
[22:51] <Jhoc> I am new here.. ubuntu 14.04 .. Just installed it
[22:52] <Jhoc> I happen to see a link to get here.. so, I am here
[22:53] <Jhoc> how to join channel for the main ubuntu 14.04 kostkon
[22:53] <kostkon> jhattara, /j #ubuntu
[22:53] <kostkon> oops
[22:53] <kostkon> Jhoc, ^^
[22:53] <Jhoc> thanks kostkon  .. I clicked that #ubuntu, and I am there.. : ) Thanks
[22:54] <kostkon> Jhoc, np