[00:20] <maps|wrk> tired now ugh
[00:20] <maps|wrk> and spilt my drink somehow ;[[
[00:20] <maps|wrk> how much memory has your windows machine got to be able to run all those vms daftykins
[00:21] <daftykins> all two? :)
[00:21] <daftykins> well fun fact there, the web server has 256MB and this has 128MB
[00:21] <daftykins> file server has 4GB
[00:27] <maps|wrk> oh
[00:27] <maps|wrk> i just assumed mored
[00:27] <daftykins> software was a lot simpler back on that version i think
[00:27] <daftykins> even a 32-bit server VM i installed of 14.04 seemed to consume a lot of RAM at first boot
[00:27] <Azelphur> daftykins: I ran a webserver on a machine with 32MB RAM
[00:27] <daftykins> minimal might sort that out though
[00:28] <Azelphur> :P
[00:28] <daftykins> :D external? what kinda timeframe?
[00:28] <Azelphur> this was in ~2008, maybe before.
[00:30] <maps|wrk> what dist was that
[00:30] <shauno> I still have a mailserver consuming almost nothing
[00:31] <maps|wrk> running what shauno  dist and all
[00:31] <shauno> postfix on debian wheezy
[00:31] <shauno> tends to sit around 10Mb in 8 processes
[00:31] <penguin42> yeh my bytemark box is just my mailserver
[00:32] <penguin42> lets see, it's saying 480M used, of which 277MB cached, 70MB buffers, so I guess that's about 140MB processes
[00:32] <penguin42> ov which about 100MB is spamd
[00:33] <Azelphur> maps|wrk: debian :)
[00:34] <daftykins> shauno: O_O
[00:34] <daftykins>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[00:34] <daftykins> Mem:          1002        746        256          0        136        401
[00:35] <daftykins> that's my hungry hungry hippo VPS
[00:35] <daftykins> seem sane?
[00:36] <penguin42> sheesh, 1GB of RAM
[00:39] <shauno>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[00:39] <shauno> Mem:           128        126          1          0          0        123
[00:39] <shauno> 126 used with 123 caches means kernel, postfix & sshd (all that box runs) take up 3Mb atm
[00:40] <shauno> (literally all it runs.  no syslog, no cron, no 'consolekit', etc)
[00:40] <penguin42> unusual to show the full 128 in the 'total' if that's really the total amount of ram
[00:40] <penguin42> on all the machines I've got the total is a bit less than the total
[00:41] <penguin42> after the kernel and the bios have taken a chunk
[00:41] <shauno> I have a feeling it's a container, it's a super-cheap ($15/yr) vps
[00:42] <penguin42> nod
[00:43] <shauno> it does the trick though.  it's just store & forward as a second mx so I've a bit more breathing space breaking the main host
[00:45] <shauno> (hence the el-cheapo - it doesn't feel like overkill when it's 75p / month)
[00:45] <penguin42> yeh I don't think that would cut it for the anount of spam that I have to discard
[00:46] <daftykins> penguin42: that's the bigv ja
[00:46] <penguin42> in fact, I think I did used to have 128MB before bytemark increased there limits and I used to get exim running out of memory
[00:47] <daftykins> does mine look a bit terrible given it runs 2 wordpress' (only one 'active') and 2 static sites?
[00:48] <daftykins> amusingly despite some earlier convo i am actually using bytemark's 'symbiosis' management jazz on it XD
[00:48] <shauno> spamd doesn't run on the second host, it just passes mail back to the primary & allthe clever runs there
[00:49] <shauno> it just means I don't get the naggy emails when, eg, the debian mail lists are quite anal about bounces
[00:50] <penguin42> so what does the 2nd host do?
[00:50] <maps|wrk> whats the host that u opass it to run
[00:51] <shauno> accepts mail and requeues it to send to the primary.  it runs as a lower priority than the primary, so mail should only go there when the primary isn't accepting (spammers don't obey this  heh)
[00:51] <daftykins> this 'meet the new google maps' message is soooo old
[00:51] <daftykins> i clear my browser cache all the time so please stop telling me!
[00:51] <shauno> so when the primary is down, the queue builds up on the secondary.  and then when the secondary comes back it all pushes through
[00:52] <shauno> it just stops the sending server sending "undeliverable but I'll keep trying" bounces
[00:52] <penguin42> shauno: Do you do anything clever about validating the adresses on the 2ndary to stop them bouncing when the primary comes back?
[00:53] <shauno> nope :/  it'd be neat but I have no idea how
[00:54] <maps|wrk> what do you run on your mail hosts
[00:55] <shauno> one's on lucid, the little one's on debian.  both postfix, with dovecot, spamd and dkim on the primary
[00:56] <maps|wrk> not sure what dkim is :D off to google
[00:56] <maps|wrk> no clamav or spamassasin?
[00:57] <shauno> spamd is spamassassin
[00:57] <penguin42> shauno: Yeh some people get a bit annoyed if the secondary were to bounce stuff when the primary came back since you get it as a way for the spammers to cause traffic
[00:57] <maps|wrk> ah sorry
[00:57] <maps|wrk> you tried clamav?
[00:58]  * penguin42 runs spamassassin and crm114 - but no av
[00:59] <shauno> I don't have much use for clamav
[01:00] <maps|wrk> i just always see people mention it
[01:00] <shauno> right, "I" being the important bit there.  I don't have users, windows, etc
[01:02] <daftykins> i always thought running your own mail could be a serious headache? when new to it
[01:03] <penguin42> it is when it breaks
[01:03] <daftykins> hehehe
[01:03] <penguin42> especially when you do it for your family etc
[01:03] <shauno> it is a headache  heh
[01:03] <daftykins> i was giving someone assistance with web server stuff, he kept trying to get me to help setup his own mail - i kept resisting and said just pay the fee for google apps
[01:03] <daftykins> he eventually gave in
[01:04] <daftykins> only one address, i'd rather that and £33/yr than the headache of self hosting
[01:04] <daftykins> especially as his system died the other day...
[01:04] <shauno> I host my own mail, dns, jabber, etc.  it's my pennance for being 90% apple at home (and helps stop me completely forgetting how computers work)
[01:05] <penguin42> DNS I use bytemarks
[01:05] <daftykins> hehehe
[01:05] <penguin42> they have a system for pushing DNS entries into their servers
[01:05] <daftykins> my provider handle DNS for free for .gg and .je domains thankfully
[01:06] <daftykins> *handles
[01:06] <maps|wrk> The RewriteBase directive specifies the URL prefix to be used for per-directory (htaccess) RewriteRule directives that substitute a relative path.
[01:06] <daftykins> given they cost 4 x that of a .co.uk it's the least they can do =|
[01:07] <penguin42> daftykins: It's obviously because they have to hand carry the DNS definitions to the mainland and so the extra cost is to pay for the ferry
[01:07] <daftykins> penguin42: :D
[01:07] <maps|wrk> does that basically mean the specified prefix will be used in case of /dir/dir
[01:08] <daftykins> any ideas what's stopping more than one single company being the one in control though?
[01:08] <daftykins> http://www.channelisles.net/
[01:08] <daftykins> this is the monopolistic bunch of *ahem*
[01:08] <daftykins> http://www.channelisles.net/register-domains/prices/
[01:12] <penguin42> the co.gg isn't quite as bad
[01:12] <penguin42> (and is quite nice)
[01:12] <shauno> wow .. that actually looks worse than my last laptop - http://imgur.com/a/NmqNb/  (spoiler - it still 'works')
[01:12] <daftykins> my little muckabout as you may've seen is www.techblo.gg
[01:13] <daftykins> wow.
[01:25] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5gonubn8iikntk0/IMG_20140501_022342.jpg
[01:25] <daftykins> warning, cat pic
[01:32] <maps|wrk> SSL connection error
[01:32] <maps|wrk> hms
[01:32] <maps|wrk> must be my end
[01:41] <shauno> works here (can confirm cat)
[01:42] <maps|wrk> an someone help me again, how could i go about changing ~/user to /user
[01:42] <shauno> not sure I get what you're asking
[01:43] <maps|wrk> so http://ip/~user becomes http://ip/user
[01:46] <daftykins> you're actually having to type the tilde into that subfolder?
[01:46] <daftykins> *into the address bar to reach that subfolder ?
[01:47] <maps|wrk> well for the users dir yea tyhats what mod_userdir does
[01:48] <daftykins> ok, it's apparent to me that my brain is gone right now
[01:48] <daftykins> :D
[01:50] <maps|wrk> :D
[01:50] <maps|wrk> need some good new films to watch hmm
[01:52] <daftykins> i still haven't gotten around to Captain Wotsit
[01:53] <daftykins> Captain Philips
[01:53] <daftykins> ok i really should not be here, gnight!
[01:54] <maps|wrk> ah nor have i
[01:54] <maps|wrk> cya daftykins
[02:08] <shauno> I think I'm gonna head to bed too.  I have to be up at 5, and 3am is no sane time to be staring at RewriteCond
[02:08] <maps|wrk> lol
[04:26] <shauno> :/
[06:09] <MooDoo> hello all
[06:31] <mapps> fear not
[06:31] <mapps> i am back
[06:34] <bashrc> morning
[06:35] <MooDoo> phew the world is saved ;)
[06:35] <mapps> ;]
[06:56]  * smittix yawns
[06:56] <smittix> Morning all
[06:57] <mapps> morning smittix
[06:58] <diplo> Morning all
[06:58] <mapps> morning diplo
[06:58] <diplo> Good evening had by all ?
[06:58] <mapps> been at work..sleep for me soon
[06:58] <mapps> :D
[06:59] <diplo> Couldn't do nights
[06:59] <diplo> Used to work through the night, but not do permanent or shift work
[06:59] <mapps> i get left alone which is good
[06:59] <mapps> so i can come on here..watch iplayer etc
[06:59] <mapps> heh
[06:59] <diplo> What trade?
[06:59] <mapps> gambling industry
[07:00] <MooDoo> mapps: tech support?
[07:00] <mapps> nie
[07:00] <mapps> maps ...pro trader
[07:00] <mapps> ;]
[07:00] <mapps> bet365.com
[07:00] <mapps> combination of the job and hours allow me to do my own stuff while at work
[07:00] <MooDoo> fab
[07:01] <mapps> could do it if i did the job on days..but more people around who might wonder why im wasting time;p
[07:01] <MooDoo> lol let's hope no one you know is on there then ;)
[07:01] <mapps> on here?
[07:01] <mapps> pah unlikely
[07:01] <mapps> work is like all microsoft and windows..windows is the best zzz
[07:02] <mapps> all the tech stuff ..service desk yada yada is ms
[07:03] <mapps> occasionally i get told ive gotta sit with someone or rather them with me for training
[07:03] <mapps> thats a real PITA
[07:04] <mapps> stuck unable to visit any work sites or anything :)
[07:26] <MooDoo> Lots of companies use MS just due to it's gui and ease of setup etc.
[07:30] <smittix> o/
[07:30] <MooDoo> howdy smittix
[07:30] <smittix> Alreet?
[07:31] <MooDoo> yeah man, finish work in 2 hours till Tuesday ;)
[07:31] <smittix> Nice
[07:31] <MooDoo> yeah :D
[07:31] <smittix> 8 Hours for me
[07:31] <smittix> heh
[07:31] <smittix> Been here 3 already
[07:31] <smittix> DPM failure
[07:34] <MooDoo> 7am start for me, although i normally get here at 6:30
[07:34] <smittix> at least I have spotify to keep me company.
[07:34] <MooDoo> I've got a IPIC stugy guide lol
[07:35] <smittix> Moved into a massive office on my own to oversee a project. I feel like I have been exiled.
[07:36] <MooDoo> minecraft it is then :D
[07:36] <smittix> Good thing is it takes me away from the daily IT dribble which the other guys have to handle.
[07:36] <MooDoo> I'm dealing with it now, live chat servers were down earlier, boooo
[07:36] <smittix> meh
[07:37] <MooDoo> as it's 3rd party servers, nothing we can do apart from chase :(
[07:37] <smittix> Data Protection Manager is inconsistent all over the place.
[07:40] <mapps> IPIC?
[07:43] <ujjain2> there is free tv in the UK right?
[07:44] <mapps> well you have to have a license really
[07:44] <SuperMatt> morning peeps
[07:46] <smittix> moaning
[07:47] <MooDoo> ujjain2: we have freeview, but you still need a license if you have any device that's capable of receiving a tv signal
[07:47] <MooDoo> mapps: sorry LPIC
[07:48] <shauno> I kinda miss the TV licence
[07:49] <ujjain2> MooDoo, a license? you need to pay?
[07:49] <MooDoo> ujjain2: yes
[07:49] <MooDoo> ujjain2: read this - http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/
[07:49] <SuperMatt> The UK system is weird, but I wouldn't have it any other way
[07:50] <MooDoo> it should be scrapped, it's daft we have to pay.
[07:50] <MooDoo> oh sorry forgot, we pay for repeats of eastenders lol
[07:50] <SuperMatt> I think it's properly good value
[07:50] <MooDoo> pah!
[07:51] <shauno> oh it is.  I pay about the same here, and don't get the bbc for it
[07:51] <MooDoo> scrap it that's what I say
[07:52] <SuperMatt> When I think about how much stuff like Doctor Who cost and how much joy it brings, I realise that the amount we pay isn't so bad.
[07:53] <SuperMatt> and lest we forget that top gear gets sold all around the world, which brings in a lot more money, so we're actually paying for a small part of a much larger investment
[07:53] <MooDoo> as much as i hate them, I'd rather have adverts than pay a licence.
[07:53] <mapps> lol
[07:53] <mapps> it isnt bad but then when you see how much they pay the staff its a joke
[07:53] <mapps> and how many staff the bbc send to the world cup..glasto..etc
[07:53] <mapps> they just burn through money as it's no object..taxpayers money
[07:54] <shauno> yeah, they should cover the world cup from a wooden shed in Wiggan.  it'd be much cheaper
[07:54] <SuperMatt> but it's not *only* tax payer money because there's so much they export
[07:58] <shauno> curious, does anyone know off-hand who the swiss national broadcaster is?
[07:59] <shauno> just seems like some interesting perspective, they pay twice the licence we do.  we get the bbc and they get ...?
[08:00] <soon> Any KDE afficionadoes here?
[08:00] <nigelb> I think jussi sort of likes KDE ;-)
[08:10] <soon> I can ask over on kubuntu instead :-)
[08:13] <SuperMatt> I've kinda fallen for the gnome-flashback session
[08:20] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: yes I like that
[08:24] <SuperMatt> it's really only because my work PC sucks, and can't deal with transparency all that well
[08:24] <SuperMatt> which makes unity slooooow
[08:26] <dogmatic69> I need apache to run something as another user (sphinx)
[08:27] <dogmatic69> I added this to visudo Defaults:apache !requiretty
[08:27] <dogmatic69> apache ALL=(sphinx) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/indexer
[08:27] <dogmatic69> and then get the following error: sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified
[08:49] <MartijnVdS> popey: are you flying again today? http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-27225649
[08:49] <MartijnVdS> popey: (because you seem to attract bluescreens on airport displays... ;))
[08:50] <popey> luckily not
[08:50] <MooDoo> they will get rid of XP one day; )
[08:51] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: the last day of the universe
[09:08] <smittix> I noticed a super market till still using windows 98 the other week.
[09:08] <smittix> I nearly fainted
[09:09] <shauno> I used to work for a hotel who were still using dos right up until 2008
[09:09] <shauno> complete with y2k issues 'n all  (you couldn't book too far ahead because every year was 1999)
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> omg
[09:10] <MartijnVdS> but "hey it works right"
[09:10] <shauno> it worked well enough that no-one could justify replacing it, yeah
[09:10] <MooDoo> dos - ftw!
[09:10] <MartijnVdS> I replaced an old DOS box running the milking machine at my uncle's farm last year
[09:10] <MartijnVdS> replaced it with an identical machine too!
[09:10] <MartijnVdS> (yay attics full of old hardware ;))
[09:11] <shauno> (if it's any consolation, they're not just out of business, they literally tore the place down.  it's a nice little beachfront park now)
[09:13] <popey> I know a guy who still uses dos for controlling milling machines. It's running on an Amstrad PC 1640
[09:17] <bashrc> for those dedicated apps replacing them doesn't make much sense if they're still working
[09:18] <shauno> as long as they have a plan B when the hardware finally gives up, sure
[09:18] <bashrc> yes
[09:18] <bashrc> although old hardware can keep going for a long time
[09:18] <popey> it gave up a few years ago and he called me, turns out his floppy disk had more than 512 files in the root
[09:18] <popey> i deleted some crap and he can carry on for another 10 years
[09:18] <bashrc> nice
[09:26] <popey> https://i.imgur.com/8UnPtur.jpg
[09:26] <popey> i want the black one!
[09:28] <shauno> I may never understand your nipple fixation
[09:31] <dogmatic69> anyone know why "apache ALL=(sphinx) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/indexer" does not allow apache user to run as sphinx ?
[09:39] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: what does 'sudo -l' as apache say?
[09:40] <jussi> shauno: I like nipples also!
[09:40] <jussi> :P
[09:41] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:42] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS:  https://gist.github.com/dogmatic69/10c5cf306f481b42cbe2
[09:43] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS:  updated with my current visudo config
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: I'd say "sudo -u sphinx /usr/bin/indexer" should work
[09:45] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS:  it totally does :D
[09:45] <dogmatic69> thanks
[09:45] <dogmatic69> my issue is not using full path....
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> sudo wants full paths for security stuffs
[09:50] <smittix> popey: Have you played CS:GO?
[09:54] <popey> no
[10:00] <foobarry> libreoffice looks like a wine app on my laptop - any suggestions what i might have done wrong? or not have done
[10:00] <foobarry> (i'm on elementary but it works fine on my desktop)
[10:01] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:02] <foobarry> apt-get install libreoffice-gnome
[10:02] <foobarry> thanks askubuntu
[10:05] <Laney> thaskubuntu
[10:07] <Laney> good day davmor2
[11:17] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:17]  * DJones wonders what timezone bigcalm is in
[11:18] <bigcalm> DJones: my very own :)
[11:18] <DJones> :)
[11:28] <davmor2> bigcalm: how do, how was the lug last night
[11:29] <bigcalm> davmor2: it was good. We even chatted about Linux things now and then. Quite rare for us
[13:02] <Laney> bash sed awk grep cut tr tac seq paste
[13:02] <Laney> ^- handy linux chat if you ever get stuck
[13:25] <penguin42> Laney: yes
[13:33] <shauno> exit
[13:33] <shauno> gah
[13:37] <penguin42> no, I don't believe unix does have a   gah command
[13:37] <popey> it should symlink to meh
[13:37] <bigcalm> !info gah
[13:38] <bigcalm> Why is lubotu3 still looking at saucy?
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> poor backwards bot :P
[13:45] <DJones> !info gah
[13:46] <DJones> bigcalm: It doesn't like you (or you have to poke the right person to get it changed)
[13:46] <bigcalm> ;)
[13:46] <bigcalm> I'll go with automations not liking me
[13:49] <penguin42> lubotu3: Who is your master
[13:49] <penguin42> haha
[13:50] <penguin42> I think it took that as an attempt to define who
[13:50] <popey> http://pastebin.com/AaSYZTHt
[13:56] <awilkins> Erm, is Trusty Server really only available in 64-bit?
[13:56] <Laney> no, not really
[13:56] <penguin42> awilkins: No
[13:57] <penguin42> awilkins: http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ubuntu-14.04-server-i386.iso
[13:57] <awilkins> penguin42, Good, 'cos my neolithic workplace only permits 32-bit Windows on our desktops and virutalizing 64-bit OS on them is a PITA
[13:58] <penguin42> awilkins: Time for a new job?
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> haha 32-bit Windows
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> they still make that?
[13:58] <awilkins> The justification runs like this -
[13:59] <awilkins> i) We still have some software that needs a 32-bit OS (this probably includes things with device drivers that aren't 64-bit and things that are actually 16-bit apps and need the WOW32 thunking layer)
[13:59] <awilkins> ii) Supporting Win64 as well as Win32 is more work
[13:59] <penguin42> that is true
[13:59] <awilkins> iii) Therefore everyone has to use Win32
[14:00] <awilkins> My interjection : Can I just shove more RAM in my desktop and
[14:00] <awilkins> install a lightweight Linux on it configured to run VMs and run the corporate OS in a VM instead?
[14:01] <awilkins> Because frankly, it's a resource-hogging pain in the butt anyway
[14:01] <penguin42> awilkins: The problem is the standard windows licensing doesn't allow it
[14:01] <awilkins> And the ability to shut it down whenever I pleased would greatly please me
[14:01] <awilkins> *sigh*]
[14:01] <penguin42> awilkins: And they would have to maintain the Linux layer
[14:02] <awilkins> Oh, they don't do Linux
[14:02] <awilkins> Except of course, for the thing they used to install Windows on our machines via PXE boot
[14:02] <awilkins> Which seems to be Linux. Yes, they use Linux to install Windows. Twisted.
[14:03] <penguin42> how do you know it's linux?
[14:03] <awilkins> Because it says so when it boots.
[14:04] <penguin42> oh odd
[14:04] <awilkins> Very sensible and practical TBH
[14:04] <awilkins> Can you imaging trying to get Windows to boot over PXE on a heterogenous collection of hardware?
[14:06] <penguin42> there was a company who did a windows image/reinstall system can't remember their name - started with an a
[14:12] <awilkins> "Aaaargh Windows Crashed"  ?
[14:15] <diplo> We used to use WDS to deploy windows images
[14:15] <diplo> Worked ok, mainly used it for Terminal Servcices servers
[14:16] <penguin42> awilkins: Ah no, acronis
[14:16] <andylockran> howdy all
[14:17] <awilkins> I think I had Acronis backup supplied free with an external drive once
[14:18] <awilkins> I use Duplicity / Duplicati now though
[14:51] <penguin42> awilkins: Acronis had a neat trick where it would restore windows to a machine with different hardware
[16:44] <mapps> so annoying companies always changing the use inteface just because
[16:44] <mapps> too many people having to justify their jobs i expect
[16:44] <mapps> *user
[16:47] <penguin42> haha what on?
[16:51]  * awilkins mumbles stuff about Windows Server
[16:51] <awilkins> Windows 7
[16:51] <awilkins> And it's not like you can just fall back to the command line or editing config files either...
[16:51] <mapps> penguin42
[16:52] <mapps> betfair
[16:52] <mapps> they always redo the site and then the forums FULL of people moaning
[16:52] <penguin42> ah, I don't bet
[16:52] <mapps> i have to use it for work
[16:52] <penguin42> ?!
[16:53] <mapps> well i work in the gambling industry
[16:53] <penguin42> ah
[16:53] <mapps> and need a betfair account so we know if we're exchanging basically
[16:53] <penguin42>  'exhcanging' ?
[16:53] <mapps> bet with us at say 6/5 and cay lay off at evens on betfair
[16:54] <mapps> guaranteed a small % profit
[17:51] <mapps> urgh tired
[17:55] <diddledan> morgin
[18:06] <TheProphet[S]> Hi all, the Ubuntu network icon on the task bar says Wi-fi Networks device not ready, and I can't connect to the Internet of course. Is there a solution to this? I need to update the system after it froze last time and I haven't been able to recover it. I'm running in recovery mode
[18:06] <MartijnVdS> what kind of wifi chip do oyu have?
[18:06] <TheProphet[S]> Uses the ath9k driver
[18:07] <TheProphet[S]> And it's the ar9285
[18:07] <MartijnVdS> that should work out of the box
[18:07] <MartijnVdS> I have a TP-Link with a similar chipset
[18:07] <MartijnVdS> is it USB?
[18:07] <TheProphet[S]> It did work out of the box
[18:09] <TheProphet[S]> It says PCI express
[18:09] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[18:09] <MartijnVdS> hmm in recovery mode..
[18:09] <TheProphet[S]> On lshw - c network
[18:09] <MartijnVdS> what does 'iw list' say?
[18:11] <TheProphet[S]> Just regular stuff I guess, what it supports, frequencies etc
[18:12] <TheProphet[S]> Unfortunately I cannot pastebin it
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> TheProphet[S]: is the network-manager service up?
[18:15] <TheProphet[S]> Sorry I have to go now, I'll have to look into it later on, thanks for your help MartijnVdS
[18:29] <bigcalm> Networking type peeps!
[18:30] <bigcalm> How would I route requests for 192.168.56.# to a server on my network?
[18:31] <bigcalm> That server has a load of virtual machines running on it on the network 192.168.56.#
[18:31] <bigcalm> I tried sudo route add -net 192.168.56.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.1.10
[18:31] <bigcalm> That let me ping 192.168.56.1 (the virtual interface on the server)
[18:32] <bigcalm> But I can't ping the virtual machines such as 192.168.56.8
[18:35] <davmor2> bigcalm: put in an alias in a file,  let me try and find which one for you
[18:37] <cookieholic_LSVP> hey :)
[18:38] <cookieholic_LSVP> im pretty new here, just installed ubuntu like 10 mins ago
[18:38] <bigcalm> cookieholic_LSVP: welcome to freedom :)
[18:39] <cookieholic_LSVP> awh thanks bigcalm :D
[18:39] <cookieholic_LSVP> how's everyone?
[18:40] <bigcalm> davmor2: Fixed it buy putting the static route in my router :)
[18:40] <davmor2> bigcalm: mod /ect/hosts
[18:40] <diddledan> bigcalm, does your VM host have ip forwarding enabled and also does it have a return route for 192.168.1.0/24?
[18:40] <diddledan> aah fixed
[18:40] <diddledan> nvm
[18:40] <diddledan> ignore me then
[18:40] <bigcalm> :)
[18:41]  * bigcalm eyes freenode
[18:41] <davmor2> bigcalm: oh get you and your mr fancy pants fixed it myself ;)
[18:41] <bigcalm> :P
[18:41] <bigcalm> Thanks for the suggestions though guys :)
[18:41] <davmor2> no worries ;)
[18:41] <diddledan> davmor2, inorite, how inconsiderate is that to fix something BEFORE you even get anyone to help?!
[18:41] <bigcalm> Did I netsplit or something?
[18:42] <diddledan> bigcalm, you should be ashamed of yourself!
[18:42] <davmor2> bigcalm: no we see you
[18:42] <bigcalm> But I have an underscore
[18:42] <bigcalm> What happened to bigcalm?
[18:42] <diddledan> you do?
[18:42] <diddledan> no underscores here
[18:42] <bigcalm> Oh, it's xchat and irssi proxy being weird!
[18:42] <diddledan> ergh
[18:43] <bigcalm> That's better
[18:43] <bigcalm> I just reconnected to the irssi proxy and the _ went away
[18:43] <davmor2> bigcalm: that's because you had to reboot your router ;)
[18:44] <bigcalm> davmor2: haha, why didn't I think of that :D
[18:46] <diddledan> lol @ http://cdn.acidcow.com/pics/20140501/gifs_22.gif
[18:47] <ali1234> diddledan: i have a wordpress question
[18:47] <bigcalm> Unexpected and also wonderful :)
[18:47] <maps|wrk> hewwo
[18:48] <ali1234> diddledan: i have some custom tables that i want to behave similar to posts, but i don't want all the custom posts stuff. is it better to replace the custom table with a custom post type, or keep them separate and have logic to keep them sync'd?
[18:50] <diddledan> if the data in the table is suitable for a post-type then I would set it to be such and do away with the extra table - it's always best to work within the WP ecosystem if you can. I tend to dislike any extra tables in the DB unless absolutely necessary
[18:51] <ali1234> well, these are my custom tables: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7374932/
[18:51] <ali1234> i want each round to have it's own page on the site
[18:52] <ali1234> so currently when making a new round, i also create a new custom post and store the ID in postID
[18:52] <ali1234> so i'm wondering whether to just get rid of that table and store all the data in wp_meta
[18:55] <ali1234> thing is, i don't want admin to be able to delete rounds, ever
[18:55] <ali1234> or various other things that admin can do with posts, that would break the website
[18:56] <ali1234> but i do want to allow comments on rounds, and have automatic archive pages, and other things that you get for free with posts
[18:57] <diddledan> hmm, I might be inclined to keep it as a separate set of data then as you've got. If you tie it to a post in the db, however, you can still get the admin removing that post and breaking your linkup, so I'd recommend neutering wordpress for that part of the site so that urls under /rounds/* for e.g. are handled by code you write only
[18:57] <diddledan> and don't use the post system at all
[18:57] <diddledan> oh, comments
[18:57] <ali1234> also this is complicated by the client not really knowing what they want wrt navigation on the site
[18:57] <diddledan> yeah that makes it more complicated
[18:58] <ali1234> and also we have a whole legacy site, where each entry was a post, rather than each round, and i need to figure out what to do with all that
[18:58] <maps|wrk> wrt?
[18:58] <ali1234> "with respect to"
[18:58] <maps|wrk> ah
[18:58] <maps|wrk> doph
[18:58] <maps|wrk> sorry
[18:59] <ali1234> i will probably need some heavy rewrite rules no matter what, because i want /vote to always show the latest round, and vote/1/April to show the round from year 1, called April
[19:01] <ali1234> but then i still want the archive pages somewhere - those would normally be under /vote but i want them under vote/archive or something
[19:13] <maps|wrk> i find rmod_rewrite and regex so hard
[19:13] <maps|wrk> need to find a good tutorial to learn regular expressions;)
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> maps|wrk: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596528126.do
[19:14] <bigcalm> Grr. I thought that adding a static route to the router had fixed it. But it hasn't. Back to the drawing board - after dinner
[19:16] <maps|wrk> thanks MartijnVdS
[19:17] <daftykins> heh i've borrowed a disk to fix my array
[19:17] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2vz6xxpugeu5saw/IMG_20140501_201500.jpg
[19:17] <daftykins> she's standing but it's fiiiine! :D
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> lots o'disks
[19:22] <penguin42> old school; not done a server like that for a long time
[19:25] <daftykins> heh
[19:26] <daftykins> it's a pure storage volume so meh
[19:26] <daftykins> 5% rebuilt already, that's what we like to see
[19:27] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/1lm0b70y2ikmiqv/array.png
[19:53] <daftykins> i'm looking at a netbook today, lawl
[19:54] <daftykins> Asus Eee 1005PX, with windows 7 starter edition!
[19:54] <daftykins> Intel Atom with 1GB RAM >_<
[20:05] <TheProphet[S]> Re all
[20:05] <maps|wrk> hey, whats up TheProphet[S]
[20:05] <maps|wrk> hey whats wrong with netbooks daftykins
[20:05] <maps|wrk> i use my netbook all the time and i ALWAYS take it on holiday with me ;)
[20:05] <TheProphet[S]> Trying to get wifi to work again
[20:06] <daftykins> lol, they're glorified calculators
[20:08] <TheProphet[S]> Network manager says the device is not managed, if I change the flag in Networks.conf from false to true then it says device not ready
[20:08] <daftykins> what ubuntu is this? is it a clean install? what's the wireless hardware?
[20:08] <daftykins> i love a challenge at the best of times but you can make it easy for us too ;D
[20:09] <TheProphet[S]> Not a clean install, it's 14.04, device is ar9285
[20:10] <TheProphet[S]> Using ath9k driver
[20:10] <daftykins> afaiui /etc/network/interfaces should have no references to the interface in order to let NM have full control
[20:11] <maps|wrk> pff get lost daftykins  they work fine..and i love taking it on holiday;p rather than a huge laptop
[20:11] <daftykins> glad i don't own one \o/
[20:11] <maps|wrk> pfffffffffffff
[20:11] <maps|wrk> SSSSH
[20:11] <TheProphet[S]> I should add I haven't been able to update for a while due to a problem half way through a massive update
[20:11] <daftykins> i wouldn't have this long hair anymore, it'd be pulled out in frustration ;)
[20:12] <daftykins> TheProphet[S]: got a wired interface to fix that with first? :)
[20:14] <TheProphet[S]> daftykins wired interface is not easy to connect, I would need about 20 metres of cable unfortunately
[20:14] <daftykins> no reason you can't fix it up by the router temporarily
[20:14] <daftykins> go hook it up and run a sudo apt-get -f install :)
[20:15] <daftykins> and pastebin it for us \o/
[20:16] <TheProphet[S]> I don't really have a monitor,  just a 42" TV connected to the pc it would take a considerable amount of moving to do that unfortunately. I have noticed though that on that file you mentioned there is a ref to the device and also the ssid and password for the wireless connection
[20:17] <daftykins> oh it's a desktop? nasty
[20:17] <daftykins> ah - so network manager isn't being allowed to handle it, it's hard-coded to connect using wpa_supplicant
[20:17] <TheProphet[S]> Not a glorified calculator no :-)
[20:18] <daftykins> laptops are not netbooks ;)
[20:18] <daftykins> if your aim is to try using network manager, you'll want to backup that file and replace it with the default
[20:18] <TheProphet[S]> I might have messed that up myself cos I was trying to connect with wpa_supplicant a couple of days ago
[20:19] <daftykins> oh, was network manager already not working at that point, so that was an attempt to get it connecting?
[20:19] <TheProphet[S]> I couldn't get the ui to start due to that botched update
[20:19] <daftykins> nasty
[20:19] <daftykins> sounds like wireless is the least of your problems
[20:19] <TheProphet[S]> And was trying to connect from recovery mode
[20:20] <TheProphet[S]> I think if I manage to get the Internet working and  run a dist_upgrade apt will find its supercow powers and fix everything
[20:20] <maps|wrk> would it not be possible to download the required files and then move to a usb stick and use on that pc
[20:20] <maps|wrk> as hes obviously get net on sopme pc
[20:21] <daftykins> not really
[20:21] <TheProphet[S]> I need to undo the stuff I did with wpa_supplicant
[20:21] <maps|wrk> why not dafty? you can download the stuff manually
[20:22] <TheProphet[S]> If I delete the interfaces file? Or delete references to wlan0 manually?
[20:23] <daftykins> maps|wrk: how do you know what apt wants to install without a connection to run an update? :D
[20:23] <daftykins> TheProphet[S]: tell you what comment them all out with a # at the start of each line, save and reboot
[20:23] <TheProphet[S]> Ok
[20:23] <maps|wrk> heh
[20:25] <TheProphet[S]> There's a line with lface wlan0 inet dhcp, should I comment the whole line? Or just wlan0 and dhcp?
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> the whole line
[20:28] <TheProphet[S]> Ok done, sorry about before MartijnVdS, real life knocked on the screen
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> :)
[20:28] <MooDoo> yo!
[20:28] <TheProphet[S]> Connected now :-) thanks guys!
[20:29] <maps|wrk> so what was it?:)
[20:29] <TheProphet[S]> The interfaces file clashing with network manager due to my tinkering with wpa_supplicant
[20:30] <TheProphet[S]> Right?
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> network-manager stops managing an interface if it sees it in /etc/network/interfaces
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> because it assumes you know what you're doing in that cae.
[20:31] <diddledan> lmao @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hUQ0C8CGHmU
[20:32] <maps|wrk> aha
[20:32] <TheProphet[S]> Should I run safe, full or dist upgrade now? I use aptitude rather apt usually
[20:33] <TheProphet[S]> After the botched upgrade
[20:34] <TheProphet[S]> I went for safe
[20:34] <Azelphur> haha, the gnome-screensaver on 14.04 is super broken for multi X screens
[20:34] <Azelphur> it doesn't protect anything besides :0.0 any more
[20:35] <maps|wrk> no idea, im still on 13.10:D
[20:37] <TheProphet[S]> MartijnVdS you said you used a similar wireless chip, did you also add the option nohwcrypt=1?
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> ano
[20:40] <TheProphet[S]> Not sure what it does but it should improve the wireless connection and reduce packet loss apparently
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> it makes the CPU do all the encryption
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> instead of the dedicated chip on the wifi card
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> I never use that option.. that chip is there for a reason -- to offload crypto workload from the main CPU
[20:43] <TheProphet[S]> Wpa_supplicant is crashing now
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> did you edit its config file? maybe it's looking at that instead of the one it's expecting?
[20:45] <TheProphet[S]> Yes I did edit wpa_supplicant.conf
[20:47] <TheProphet[S]> Actually I removed the file
[20:48] <maps|wrk> http://www.uannysmejdirky.cz/
[20:48] <maps|wrk> :D
[20:48] <maps|wrk> staying there for 4/5 nights
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> that language hurts my eyes though :|
[20:49] <maps|wrk> lol
[20:49] <maps|wrk> dutch looks odd to us too
[20:49] <maps|wrk> ik ben
[20:49] <maps|wrk> :D
[20:51] <TheProphet[S]> Sorted, everything works. I have to migrate from Ubuntu one to Dropbox now :-/
[20:53] <TheProphet[S]> I even used Ubuntu one music streaming everyday
[20:53] <daftykins> D:
[20:53] <daftykins> you must've been the one customer ;)
[20:53] <maps|wrk> i never used it, ubuntu oine music did it have a good catalogue>?
[20:53] <TheProphet[S]> I guess
[20:53] <maps|wrk> take it it wasnt popular
[20:54] <daftykins> it's more that they realise competing isn't worth trying
[20:54] <TheProphet[S]> True
[20:54] <TheProphet[S]> Other companies were giving away to much free stuff
[20:54] <maps|wrk> they do?! like who and what
[20:55] <TheProphet[S]> For them to be able to compete
[20:55] <TheProphet[S]> 15gb from gdrive for instance
[20:56] <maps|wrk> ah
[20:56] <maps|wrk> that hotel looks nice and cosy , hopefully not a letdown
[21:07] <maps|wrk> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0421lxt/Under_Offer_Estate_Agents_on_the_Job_Episode_3/
[21:07] <maps|wrk> this is vaguely interesting
[21:07] <maps|wrk> working my way through everything on iplayer heh
[22:09] <Laney> just been watching that
[22:09] <Laney> the whole making offers and counter offers business looks extremely tiresome
[22:31] <maps|wrk> ughh
[22:31] <maps|wrk> had to do some 'work'
[22:31] <maps|wrk> yea
[22:31] <maps|wrk> did you see some of the prices
[22:31] <maps|wrk> ]crazy eh
[22:52] <daftykins> maps|wrk: just saw a bit of that call center prog on my TV's iPlayer proggy
[22:53] <daftykins> is it me or does Swansea have a lack of eyebrows? they seem to all need to draw them on ;)
[23:32] <maps|wrk> lol never noticed daftykins
[23:32] <maps|wrk> noticing odd things
[23:32] <daftykins> ;)
[23:32] <daftykins> i find makeup ridiculous
[23:33] <daftykins> array 94% rebuilt \o/
[23:58] <maps|wrk> off friday and sat
[23:58] <maps|wrk> yay
[23:59]  * penguin42 has had all this week off