[00:20] tired now ugh [00:20] and spilt my drink somehow ;[[ [00:20] how much memory has your windows machine got to be able to run all those vms daftykins [00:21] all two? :) [00:21] well fun fact there, the web server has 256MB and this has 128MB [00:21] file server has 4GB [00:27] oh [00:27] i just assumed mored [00:27] software was a lot simpler back on that version i think [00:27] even a 32-bit server VM i installed of 14.04 seemed to consume a lot of RAM at first boot [00:27] daftykins: I ran a webserver on a machine with 32MB RAM [00:27] minimal might sort that out though [00:28] :P [00:28] :D external? what kinda timeframe? [00:28] this was in ~2008, maybe before. [00:30] what dist was that [00:30] I still have a mailserver consuming almost nothing [00:31] running what shauno dist and all [00:31] postfix on debian wheezy [00:31] tends to sit around 10Mb in 8 processes [00:31] yeh my bytemark box is just my mailserver [00:32] lets see, it's saying 480M used, of which 277MB cached, 70MB buffers, so I guess that's about 140MB processes [00:32] ov which about 100MB is spamd [00:33] maps|wrk: debian :) [00:34] shauno: O_O [00:34] total used free shared buffers cached [00:34] Mem: 1002 746 256 0 136 401 [00:35] that's my hungry hungry hippo VPS [00:35] seem sane? [00:36] sheesh, 1GB of RAM [00:39] total used free shared buffers cached [00:39] Mem: 128 126 1 0 0 123 [00:39] 126 used with 123 caches means kernel, postfix & sshd (all that box runs) take up 3Mb atm [00:40] (literally all it runs. no syslog, no cron, no 'consolekit', etc) [00:40] unusual to show the full 128 in the 'total' if that's really the total amount of ram [00:40] on all the machines I've got the total is a bit less than the total [00:41] after the kernel and the bios have taken a chunk [00:41] I have a feeling it's a container, it's a super-cheap ($15/yr) vps [00:42] nod [00:43] it does the trick though. it's just store & forward as a second mx so I've a bit more breathing space breaking the main host [00:45] (hence the el-cheapo - it doesn't feel like overkill when it's 75p / month) [00:45] yeh I don't think that would cut it for the anount of spam that I have to discard [00:46] penguin42: that's the bigv ja [00:46] in fact, I think I did used to have 128MB before bytemark increased there limits and I used to get exim running out of memory [00:47] does mine look a bit terrible given it runs 2 wordpress' (only one 'active') and 2 static sites? [00:48] amusingly despite some earlier convo i am actually using bytemark's 'symbiosis' management jazz on it XD [00:48] spamd doesn't run on the second host, it just passes mail back to the primary & allthe clever runs there [00:49] it just means I don't get the naggy emails when, eg, the debian mail lists are quite anal about bounces [00:50] so what does the 2nd host do? [00:50] whats the host that u opass it to run [00:51] accepts mail and requeues it to send to the primary. it runs as a lower priority than the primary, so mail should only go there when the primary isn't accepting (spammers don't obey this heh) [00:51] this 'meet the new google maps' message is soooo old [00:51] i clear my browser cache all the time so please stop telling me! [00:51] so when the primary is down, the queue builds up on the secondary. and then when the secondary comes back it all pushes through [00:52] it just stops the sending server sending "undeliverable but I'll keep trying" bounces [00:52] shauno: Do you do anything clever about validating the adresses on the 2ndary to stop them bouncing when the primary comes back? [00:53] nope :/ it'd be neat but I have no idea how [00:54] what do you run on your mail hosts [00:55] one's on lucid, the little one's on debian. both postfix, with dovecot, spamd and dkim on the primary [00:56] not sure what dkim is :D off to google [00:56] no clamav or spamassasin? [00:57] spamd is spamassassin [00:57] shauno: Yeh some people get a bit annoyed if the secondary were to bounce stuff when the primary came back since you get it as a way for the spammers to cause traffic [00:57] ah sorry [00:57] you tried clamav? [00:58] * penguin42 runs spamassassin and crm114 - but no av [00:59] I don't have much use for clamav [01:00] i just always see people mention it [01:00] right, "I" being the important bit there. I don't have users, windows, etc [01:02] i always thought running your own mail could be a serious headache? when new to it [01:03] it is when it breaks [01:03] hehehe [01:03] especially when you do it for your family etc [01:03] it is a headache heh [01:03] i was giving someone assistance with web server stuff, he kept trying to get me to help setup his own mail - i kept resisting and said just pay the fee for google apps [01:03] he eventually gave in [01:04] only one address, i'd rather that and £33/yr than the headache of self hosting [01:04] especially as his system died the other day... [01:04] I host my own mail, dns, jabber, etc. it's my pennance for being 90% apple at home (and helps stop me completely forgetting how computers work) [01:05] DNS I use bytemarks [01:05] hehehe [01:05] they have a system for pushing DNS entries into their servers [01:05] my provider handle DNS for free for .gg and .je domains thankfully [01:06] *handles [01:06] The RewriteBase directive specifies the URL prefix to be used for per-directory (htaccess) RewriteRule directives that substitute a relative path. [01:06] given they cost 4 x that of a .co.uk it's the least they can do =| [01:07] daftykins: It's obviously because they have to hand carry the DNS definitions to the mainland and so the extra cost is to pay for the ferry [01:07] penguin42: :D [01:07] does that basically mean the specified prefix will be used in case of /dir/dir [01:08] any ideas what's stopping more than one single company being the one in control though? [01:08] http://www.channelisles.net/ [01:08] this is the monopolistic bunch of *ahem* [01:08] http://www.channelisles.net/register-domains/prices/ [01:12] the co.gg isn't quite as bad [01:12] (and is quite nice) [01:12] wow .. that actually looks worse than my last laptop - http://imgur.com/a/NmqNb/ (spoiler - it still 'works') [01:12] my little muckabout as you may've seen is www.techblo.gg [01:13] wow. [01:25] https://www.dropbox.com/s/5gonubn8iikntk0/IMG_20140501_022342.jpg [01:25] warning, cat pic [01:32] SSL connection error [01:32] hms [01:32] must be my end [01:41] works here (can confirm cat) [01:42] an someone help me again, how could i go about changing ~/user to /user [01:42] not sure I get what you're asking [01:43] so http://ip/~user becomes http://ip/user [01:46] you're actually having to type the tilde into that subfolder? [01:46] *into the address bar to reach that subfolder ? [01:47] well for the users dir yea tyhats what mod_userdir does [01:48] ok, it's apparent to me that my brain is gone right now [01:48] :D [01:50] :D [01:50] need some good new films to watch hmm [01:52] i still haven't gotten around to Captain Wotsit [01:53] Captain Philips [01:53] ok i really should not be here, gnight! [01:54] ah nor have i [01:54] cya daftykins [02:08] I think I'm gonna head to bed too. I have to be up at 5, and 3am is no sane time to be staring at RewriteCond [02:08] lol [04:26] :/ [06:09] hello all [06:31] fear not [06:31] i am back [06:34] morning [06:35] phew the world is saved ;) [06:35] ;] [06:56] * smittix yawns [06:56] Morning all [06:57] morning smittix [06:58] Morning all [06:58] morning diplo [06:58] Good evening had by all ? [06:58] been at work..sleep for me soon [06:58] :D [06:59] Couldn't do nights [06:59] Used to work through the night, but not do permanent or shift work [06:59] i get left alone which is good [06:59] so i can come on here..watch iplayer etc [06:59] heh [06:59] What trade? [06:59] gambling industry [07:00] mapps: tech support? [07:00] nie [07:00] maps ...pro trader [07:00] ;] [07:00] bet365.com [07:00] combination of the job and hours allow me to do my own stuff while at work [07:00] fab [07:01] could do it if i did the job on days..but more people around who might wonder why im wasting time;p [07:01] lol let's hope no one you know is on there then ;) [07:01] on here? [07:01] pah unlikely [07:01] work is like all microsoft and windows..windows is the best zzz [07:02] all the tech stuff ..service desk yada yada is ms [07:03] occasionally i get told ive gotta sit with someone or rather them with me for training [07:03] thats a real PITA [07:04] stuck unable to visit any work sites or anything :) [07:26] Lots of companies use MS just due to it's gui and ease of setup etc. [07:30] o/ [07:30] howdy smittix [07:30] Alreet? [07:31] yeah man, finish work in 2 hours till Tuesday ;) [07:31] Nice [07:31] yeah :D [07:31] 8 Hours for me [07:31] heh [07:31] Been here 3 already [07:31] DPM failure [07:34] 7am start for me, although i normally get here at 6:30 [07:34] at least I have spotify to keep me company. [07:34] I've got a IPIC stugy guide lol [07:35] Moved into a massive office on my own to oversee a project. I feel like I have been exiled. [07:36] minecraft it is then :D [07:36] Good thing is it takes me away from the daily IT dribble which the other guys have to handle. [07:36] I'm dealing with it now, live chat servers were down earlier, boooo [07:36] meh [07:37] as it's 3rd party servers, nothing we can do apart from chase :( [07:37] Data Protection Manager is inconsistent all over the place. [07:40] IPIC? [07:43] there is free tv in the UK right? [07:44] well you have to have a license really [07:44] morning peeps [07:46] moaning [07:47] ujjain2: we have freeview, but you still need a license if you have any device that's capable of receiving a tv signal [07:47] mapps: sorry LPIC [07:48] I kinda miss the TV licence [07:49] MooDoo, a license? you need to pay? [07:49] ujjain2: yes [07:49] ujjain2: read this - http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/ [07:49] The UK system is weird, but I wouldn't have it any other way [07:50] it should be scrapped, it's daft we have to pay. [07:50] oh sorry forgot, we pay for repeats of eastenders lol [07:50] I think it's properly good value [07:50] pah! [07:51] oh it is. I pay about the same here, and don't get the bbc for it [07:51] scrap it that's what I say [07:52] When I think about how much stuff like Doctor Who cost and how much joy it brings, I realise that the amount we pay isn't so bad. [07:53] and lest we forget that top gear gets sold all around the world, which brings in a lot more money, so we're actually paying for a small part of a much larger investment [07:53] as much as i hate them, I'd rather have adverts than pay a licence. [07:53] lol [07:53] it isnt bad but then when you see how much they pay the staff its a joke [07:53] and how many staff the bbc send to the world cup..glasto..etc [07:53] they just burn through money as it's no object..taxpayers money [07:54] yeah, they should cover the world cup from a wooden shed in Wiggan. it'd be much cheaper [07:54] but it's not *only* tax payer money because there's so much they export [07:58] curious, does anyone know off-hand who the swiss national broadcaster is? [07:59] just seems like some interesting perspective, they pay twice the licence we do. we get the bbc and they get ...? [08:00] Any KDE afficionadoes here? [08:00] I think jussi sort of likes KDE ;-) === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [08:10] I can ask over on kubuntu instead :-) [08:13] I've kinda fallen for the gnome-flashback session === deegee__ is now known as drussell === msm is now known as Guest68100 [08:20] SuperMatt: yes I like that [08:24] it's really only because my work PC sucks, and can't deal with transparency all that well [08:24] which makes unity slooooow [08:26] I need apache to run something as another user (sphinx) [08:27] I added this to visudo Defaults:apache !requiretty [08:27] apache ALL=(sphinx) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/indexer [08:27] and then get the following error: sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified [08:49] popey: are you flying again today? http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-27225649 [08:49] popey: (because you seem to attract bluescreens on airport displays... ;)) [08:50] luckily not [08:50] they will get rid of XP one day; ) [08:51] MooDoo: the last day of the universe === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [09:08] I noticed a super market till still using windows 98 the other week. [09:08] I nearly fainted [09:09] I used to work for a hotel who were still using dos right up until 2008 [09:09] complete with y2k issues 'n all (you couldn't book too far ahead because every year was 1999) [09:09] omg [09:10] but "hey it works right" [09:10] it worked well enough that no-one could justify replacing it, yeah [09:10] dos - ftw! [09:10] I replaced an old DOS box running the milking machine at my uncle's farm last year [09:10] replaced it with an identical machine too! [09:10] (yay attics full of old hardware ;)) [09:11] (if it's any consolation, they're not just out of business, they literally tore the place down. it's a nice little beachfront park now) [09:13] I know a guy who still uses dos for controlling milling machines. It's running on an Amstrad PC 1640 [09:17] for those dedicated apps replacing them doesn't make much sense if they're still working [09:18] as long as they have a plan B when the hardware finally gives up, sure [09:18] yes [09:18] although old hardware can keep going for a long time [09:18] it gave up a few years ago and he called me, turns out his floppy disk had more than 512 files in the root [09:18] i deleted some crap and he can carry on for another 10 years [09:18] nice [09:26] https://i.imgur.com/8UnPtur.jpg [09:26] i want the black one! [09:28] I may never understand your nipple fixation [09:31] anyone know why "apache ALL=(sphinx) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/indexer" does not allow apache user to run as sphinx ? [09:39] dogmatic69: what does 'sudo -l' as apache say? [09:40] shauno: I like nipples also! [09:40] :P [09:41] morning boys and girls. [09:42] MartijnVdS: https://gist.github.com/dogmatic69/10c5cf306f481b42cbe2 [09:43] MartijnVdS: updated with my current visudo config [09:43] dogmatic69: I'd say "sudo -u sphinx /usr/bin/indexer" should work [09:45] MartijnVdS: it totally does :D [09:45] thanks [09:45] my issue is not using full path.... [09:45] sudo wants full paths for security stuffs [09:50] popey: Have you played CS:GO? [09:54] no [10:00] libreoffice looks like a wine app on my laptop - any suggestions what i might have done wrong? or not have done [10:00] (i'm on elementary but it works fine on my desktop) [10:01] Morning all [10:02] apt-get install libreoffice-gnome [10:02] thanks askubuntu [10:05] thaskubuntu [10:07] good day davmor2 [11:17] Good morning peeps :) [11:17] * DJones wonders what timezone bigcalm is in [11:18] DJones: my very own :) [11:18] :) [11:28] bigcalm: how do, how was the lug last night [11:29] davmor2: it was good. We even chatted about Linux things now and then. Quite rare for us === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:02] bash sed awk grep cut tr tac seq paste [13:02] ^- handy linux chat if you ever get stuck === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:25] Laney: yes [13:33] exit [13:33] gah [13:37] no, I don't believe unix does have a gah command [13:37] it should symlink to meh [13:37] !info gah [13:37] Package gah does not exist in saucy [13:38] Why is lubotu3 still looking at saucy? [13:38] poor backwards bot :P [13:45] !info gah [13:45] Package gah does not exist in trusty [13:46] bigcalm: It doesn't like you (or you have to poke the right person to get it changed) [13:46] ;) [13:46] I'll go with automations not liking me [13:49] lubotu3: Who is your master [13:49] haha [13:50] I think it took that as an attempt to define who [13:50] http://pastebin.com/AaSYZTHt [13:56] Erm, is Trusty Server really only available in 64-bit? [13:56] no, not really [13:56] awilkins: No [13:57] awilkins: http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ubuntu-14.04-server-i386.iso [13:57] penguin42, Good, 'cos my neolithic workplace only permits 32-bit Windows on our desktops and virutalizing 64-bit OS on them is a PITA [13:58] awilkins: Time for a new job? [13:58] haha 32-bit Windows [13:58] they still make that? [13:58] The justification runs like this - [13:59] i) We still have some software that needs a 32-bit OS (this probably includes things with device drivers that aren't 64-bit and things that are actually 16-bit apps and need the WOW32 thunking layer) [13:59] ii) Supporting Win64 as well as Win32 is more work [13:59] that is true [13:59] iii) Therefore everyone has to use Win32 [14:00] My interjection : Can I just shove more RAM in my desktop and [14:00] install a lightweight Linux on it configured to run VMs and run the corporate OS in a VM instead? [14:01] Because frankly, it's a resource-hogging pain in the butt anyway [14:01] awilkins: The problem is the standard windows licensing doesn't allow it [14:01] And the ability to shut it down whenever I pleased would greatly please me [14:01] *sigh*] [14:01] awilkins: And they would have to maintain the Linux layer [14:02] Oh, they don't do Linux [14:02] Except of course, for the thing they used to install Windows on our machines via PXE boot [14:02] Which seems to be Linux. Yes, they use Linux to install Windows. Twisted. [14:03] how do you know it's linux? [14:03] Because it says so when it boots. [14:04] oh odd [14:04] Very sensible and practical TBH [14:04] Can you imaging trying to get Windows to boot over PXE on a heterogenous collection of hardware? [14:06] there was a company who did a windows image/reinstall system can't remember their name - started with an a [14:12] "Aaaargh Windows Crashed" ? [14:15] We used to use WDS to deploy windows images [14:15] Worked ok, mainly used it for Terminal Servcices servers [14:16] awilkins: Ah no, acronis [14:16] howdy all [14:17] I think I had Acronis backup supplied free with an external drive once [14:18] I use Duplicity / Duplicati now though === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [14:51] awilkins: Acronis had a neat trick where it would restore windows to a machine with different hardware === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [16:44] so annoying companies always changing the use inteface just because [16:44] too many people having to justify their jobs i expect [16:44] *user [16:47] haha what on? [16:51] * awilkins mumbles stuff about Windows Server [16:51] Windows 7 [16:51] And it's not like you can just fall back to the command line or editing config files either... [16:51] penguin42 [16:52] betfair [16:52] they always redo the site and then the forums FULL of people moaning [16:52] ah, I don't bet [16:52] i have to use it for work [16:52] ?! [16:53] well i work in the gambling industry [16:53] ah [16:53] and need a betfair account so we know if we're exchanging basically [16:53] 'exhcanging' ? [16:53] bet with us at say 6/5 and cay lay off at evens on betfair [16:54] guaranteed a small % profit [17:51] urgh tired [17:55] morgin [18:06] Hi all, the Ubuntu network icon on the task bar says Wi-fi Networks device not ready, and I can't connect to the Internet of course. Is there a solution to this? I need to update the system after it froze last time and I haven't been able to recover it. I'm running in recovery mode [18:06] what kind of wifi chip do oyu have? [18:06] Uses the ath9k driver [18:07] And it's the ar9285 [18:07] that should work out of the box [18:07] I have a TP-Link with a similar chipset [18:07] is it USB? [18:07] It did work out of the box [18:09] It says PCI express [18:09] hmm [18:09] hmm in recovery mode.. [18:09] On lshw - c network [18:09] what does 'iw list' say? [18:11] Just regular stuff I guess, what it supports, frequencies etc [18:12] Unfortunately I cannot pastebin it [18:14] TheProphet[S]: is the network-manager service up? [18:15] Sorry I have to go now, I'll have to look into it later on, thanks for your help MartijnVdS [18:29] Networking type peeps! [18:30] How would I route requests for 192.168.56.# to a server on my network? [18:31] That server has a load of virtual machines running on it on the network 192.168.56.# [18:31] I tried sudo route add -net 192.168.56.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.1.10 [18:31] That let me ping 192.168.56.1 (the virtual interface on the server) [18:32] But I can't ping the virtual machines such as 192.168.56.8 [18:35] bigcalm: put in an alias in a file, let me try and find which one for you [18:37] hey :) [18:38] im pretty new here, just installed ubuntu like 10 mins ago [18:38] cookieholic_LSVP: welcome to freedom :) [18:39] awh thanks bigcalm :D === bigcalm_ is now known as bigcalm [18:39] how's everyone? [18:40] davmor2: Fixed it buy putting the static route in my router :) [18:40] bigcalm: mod /ect/hosts [18:40] bigcalm, does your VM host have ip forwarding enabled and also does it have a return route for 192.168.1.0/24? [18:40] aah fixed [18:40] nvm [18:40] ignore me then [18:40] :) [18:41] * bigcalm eyes freenode [18:41] bigcalm: oh get you and your mr fancy pants fixed it myself ;) [18:41] :P [18:41] Thanks for the suggestions though guys :) [18:41] no worries ;) [18:41] davmor2, inorite, how inconsiderate is that to fix something BEFORE you even get anyone to help?! [18:41] Did I netsplit or something? [18:42] bigcalm, you should be ashamed of yourself! [18:42] bigcalm: no we see you [18:42] But I have an underscore [18:42] What happened to bigcalm? [18:42] you do? [18:42] no underscores here [18:42] Oh, it's xchat and irssi proxy being weird! [18:42] ergh [18:43] That's better [18:43]