[00:51] <Unit193> knome, knome, knome: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule topic?
[00:52] <sidi-valencia> is it really gonna be a unicorn?
[00:53] <Unit193> sidi-valencia: I wanted the red faced monkey. :(
[00:53] <sidi-valencia> red-shanked douc?
[00:53]  * sidi-valencia might be too much of an aficionado when it comes to cryptic monkeys
[08:44] <brainwash> bluesabre: right, I did not change anything which could improve multi monitor support
[08:44] <brainwash> https://launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+archive/lightdm-gtk-greeter
[08:45] <brainwash> select a wallpaper which does not match the aspect ratio of your screen
[08:59] <Unit193> knome: Danke. :)
[08:59] <knome> np
[09:01] <knome> back to hacking with a wordpress plugin
[12:23] <elfy> ochosi brainwash ok so got around to purging and redoing the ppa - and JUST doing xfpm - made no difference - still black screen
[12:24] <brainwash> elfy: got it still installed?
[12:25] <elfy> yep
[12:26] <brainwash> edit /usr/bin/xflock4 and add "sleep 5" at the start
[12:27] <brainwash> after shebang + header comment and actual code
[12:27] <elfy> just make the screen bright enough ... 
[12:27] <elfy> why does it do that !
[12:27] <brainwash> what?
[12:28] <elfy> dim the damned screen all the time 
[12:28]  * elfy hates laptops 
[12:28] <elfy> anyway - so sleep to be first line of code?
[12:28] <elfy> or last
[12:28] <brainwash> yes
[12:28] <brainwash> before the actual code part starts
[12:29] <brainwash> this should delay the screen locking on wake up
[12:29] <elfy> k - then do I need to do anything but close the lid to test?
[12:29] <brainwash> yes
[12:30] <elfy> ok - give us a clue then :) 
[12:30] <elfy> edited the file 
[12:30] <brainwash> ah, uhm, no
[12:31] <brainwash> just save and close the lid
[12:31] <elfy> :D
[12:32] <elfy> ok that was new - restarted - cursor appeared then disappeared - black screen still 
[12:32] <brainwash> was the desktop visible on wake up?
[12:32] <brainwash> for like.. 5 sec :)
[12:33] <elfy> no 
[12:33] <elfy> nor is it ever 
[12:34] <elfy> I see nothing at all till I use mouse or something - then I see unlock password dialogue
[12:36] <brainwash> even if you move the mouse immediately after opening the lid?
[12:36] <elfy> trying 
[12:36] <elfy> took ~5 secs to see dialogue
[12:37] <brainwash> ah, so the screen is already blank before even locking it
[12:38] <elfy> it is for me yes 
[12:38] <brainwash> it's getting even more mysterious :)
[12:39] <elfy> that was always the case before - restart from lid close - black screeen - move mouse - unlock dialogue - black screen is what I see
[12:40] <brainwash> can you also try with light-locker disable and xscreensaver instead?
[12:40] <brainwash> same setup
[12:42] <elfy> time's caught up with me - back in a while - will look then
[12:42] <brainwash> alright
[13:34] <pleia2> http://ubuntuportal.com/2014/05/xubuntu-14-04-lts-trusty-tahr-video-and-screenshots.html
[13:38] <knome> another "review" that copy-pastes the release announcement
[13:38] <knome> and the video isn't exactly informative either
[13:39] <knome> well at least from the looks of the start ;)
[13:39] <pleia2> after install it explores a lot
[13:40] <knome> yeah, but exploring is meh
[13:40] <knome> i guess some people like it, but what about let them explore themself?
[13:40] <pleia2> because then they'll say AMAGAD I AHTE THIS NEW MENU
[13:40] <knome> :)
[13:40] <pleia2> this review actually shows how nice it is to find stuff :)
[13:40] <knome> that'd be better than the lousy jazz tune
[13:41] <pleia2> and how to add the bottom panel back
[13:41]  * knome shrugs
[14:02] <amigamagic> The start menu is so good for people, that MS itself will make it come back in a next W8.1 big update or service pack (the rumors say that it should be around september of this year).. So, I think whisker menu is a very great addition to the xubuntu distro, at least for all the people that come from Win XP, Vista, 7, etc.
[14:09] <amigamagic> One of the things on which whisker menu could improve, is its default appearence. It's a little too flat, with only two colors that could be changed in a theme: white and grey. Personally, I would have added a third color to differentiate between the top grey bar (where there is the user name) and the right grey bar (where there are the program categories). The old WinXP start menu is much more colorful rich.
[14:09] <knome> do we really need to refer to win XP all the time?
[14:09] <knome> the comparison doesn't hold really
[14:11] <amigamagic> I don't really want to compare it to WinXP or other os, but from a graphic designer point of view, it's better to have more theming options
[14:12] <knome> from a graphic designed point of view, it's better to have one style that works well.
[14:13] <amigamagic> People have different tastes, so I think more customization is better.
[14:13] <amigamagic> And it's very unlikely that could exist a SINGLE style that could appeal everyone.
[14:13] <knome> if xfce allowed all customization anybody ever asked for, it would be a mess
[14:14] <amigamagic> If you give the theme designer more possibilities, what harm that could do?
[14:15] <knome> a lot of ugly themes.
[14:15] <amigamagic> or a lot of beautiful ones
[14:15] <knome> i haven't seen that happen with applications/stuff that allows a lot of options
[14:20] <amigamagic> strange... I see it often... Take Firefox: you can theme it as you want. Chrome is the same thing. Win8 gives you few options, but will let you change at least the colours of the borders and taskbar.
[14:21] <knome> we allow changing a lot of the appearance options already
[14:21] <amigamagic> and that's good
[14:21] <knome> if you want to control every inch of your appearance, install KDE
[14:22] <amigamagic> I don't like it
[14:22] <elfy> it appears to me you don't like xubuntu much either
[14:23] <amigamagic> you are wrong
[14:23] <knome> i see where elfy is coming from.
[14:23] <amigamagic> if I didn't like it, I hadn't installed it in my office
[14:28] <elfy> knome: if the XPL vote is going to run for 24 hours - what are you using to do the vote?
[14:28] <knome> elfy, we'll start off with the meeting.
[14:28] <knome> if one applicant has got more than 50% of the votes from all possible members, we'll stop there.
[14:29] <elfy> right
[14:29] <knome> otherwise, we should continue the vote on the mailing list
[14:29] <elfy> mmm
[14:29] <elfy> except you can't private vote on that ... 
[14:29] <knome> should you?
[14:30] <elfy> you can with meetbot
[14:30] <elfy> assuming it actually works 
[14:31] <knome> i guess my question is: do we really *need* private voting?
[14:31] <elfy> some might want to do it that way
[14:33] <knome> do we really need that kind of privacy inside the team?
[14:33] <elfy> I don't - I'm just saying :)
[14:34] <knome> if you aren't willingly to publicly express who you are voting for, you'd have a hard time working with people
[14:35] <elfy> as I said - I've not got an issue - I'm just making the point
[14:39] <elfy> brainwash: unlocks fine with xscreensaver
[14:40] <brainwash> elfy: is the screen blank before xscreensaver's unlock dialog appears?
[14:42] <elfy> blank - with just cursor - touch trackpad or something - unlock dialogue
[14:42] <elfy> doesn't appear top be suspending though - just blanking the screen
[14:42] <brainwash> all the time or just in this case?
[14:43] <brainwash> can't you tell if it's suspending successfully?
[14:43] <elfy> all the time
[14:43] <elfy> it's not suspending 
[14:44] <elfy> so manually suspending from menu - suspends - comes back to desktop - then goes to xscrn and dialogue
[14:44] <brainwash> 5 sec delay, right?
[14:44] <elfy> didn't check - but sounds about right
[14:48] <brainwash> so it comes back to the desktop which is visible for about 5sec until it moves on to the lock screen?
[14:49] <elfy> yea
[14:49] <brainwash> the same thing should happen when light-locker is used (in this test scenario)
[14:50] <elfy> lol
[14:50] <elfy> if it worked - which it doesn't - if it did we'd not be testing it :p
[14:51] <brainwash> but I cannot explain this at all :/
[14:51] <brainwash> other than light-locker doing some bad stuff on its own
[14:53] <brainwash> maybe we can get some more testers
[14:54] <brainwash> elfy: thanks for doing all the tests so far :)
[14:54] <brainwash> I guess you can revert the changes
[14:54] <elfy> that's ok - it's what I do to earn my ethercookies :p
[14:55] <elfy> well - tbh - the lappy doesn't get used much - and I never suspend anyway, so anything we're doing I don't notice :)
[14:55] <brainwash> but we've learned that lock screen apps need the most testing (see unity's new lock screen and light-locker)
[14:56] <brainwash> things can easily break and cause trouble security wise
[14:57] <elfy> indeed
[18:12] <brainwash> ali1234: xfce4-power-manager seems to be affect too by the daemonize problem
[18:13] <brainwash> affected
[18:13] <brainwash> do we need some sort of meta report?
[18:25] <sidi-valencia> brainwash, i would check ALL xfce daemons upstream and in Ubuntu
[18:25] <sidi-valencia> and send a mail to the ubuntu devel ML to point out the issue if it's been observed outside xubuntu
[18:25] <brainwash> yes ofc
[18:26] <sidi-valencia> meta report is a good idea ;)
[18:26] <sidi-valencia> also these reports look so sexy, like something important's going on
[18:26] <sidi-valencia> ;P
[18:26] <brainwash> outside? mmh, only ubuntu ships wonky gtk modules
[18:26]  * sidi-valencia feels bored at work, sorry.
[18:26] <sidi-valencia> brainwash, still the fork after init is not a good thing.
[18:26] <sidi-valencia> and i meant outside Xubuntu, like Lubuntu, Ubuntu GNOME, etc
[18:27] <sidi-valencia> pretty much anything using gtk_init and fork, so you should probably make it wide. And I would also report the bug against ubuntu and tell them to stop messing with gtk_init() though that obviously is not good for community relations and will be ignored
[18:27]  * sidi-valencia stops trolling now, back to code.
[18:29] <brainwash> ok, ali1234 will gladly take care of this :)
[19:01] <sidi-valencia> ahah