[03:57] <JoshStrobl> daker: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-html5-theme/+bug/1315228
[04:27] <JoshStrobl> Off to make some breakfast. Wrote a blog (in case anyone is interested) in my experience so far when reading the documentation: http://joshstrobl.blogspot.fi/2014/05/docs-not-created-equal-critique-on.html
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[04:42] <ahayzen> !ops
[04:46] <ahayzen> well that sort of worked, probably shouldn't have escalated it to channel emergency straight away. sorry guys
[04:46] <JoshStrobl> ahayzen: nah, good call on your part
[04:47] <JoshStrobl> ahayzen: I would've done the same if I wasn't afk
[04:47] <ahayzen> JoshStrobl, heh lol
[06:30] <AmiR_> hi
[06:31] <Guest72969> i have a samsung galaxy s3 mini and i want to install ubuntu on my phone
[06:31] <Guest72969> please help me
[07:09] <echoe> I always love people who say please he'll me and can't even wait  a single minute
[07:38] <someones_dad> greetings all
[07:41] <someones_dad> were a windows family ... kid wants to try ubu touch on his nexus 7 any dangers with doing so. ive rooted and flashed roms to my wifes samsung tablet before ive rooted my galaxy phone and my sons phones but never to ubuntu.. i remember about 10 years ago doing ubuntu to the 3d cube... but i dont use ubuntu any more can it be done from windows or do i have to make a ubuntu box for this to work out?
[07:42] <someones_dad> emerald was awesome if you got it to play nicely...
[07:51] <Beldar> someones_dad, there is a multirom app at google play that will load it and keep the android.
[07:51] <Beldar> dualboot
[07:54] <someones_dad> nice... i love dual boot..
[09:04] <davmor2_> Morning all
[09:11] <tiiongtsu> Hi
[09:12] <tiiongtsu> E/UpstartPropertyWatcher( 1725): Failed to connect socket for '/dev/socket/upstart-text-bridge' on fd 7 (2 [No such file or directory])
[09:12] <tiiongtsu> I/UpstartPropertyWatcher( 1727): Starting upstart property watcher
[09:12] <tiiongtsu> how to solve this?
[09:20] <tiiongtsu> E/UpstartPropertyWatcher( 1725): Failed to connect socket for '/dev/socket/upstart-text-bridge' on fd 7 (2 [No such file or directory])
[09:21] <tiiongtsu> anyone faced this problem in porting ubuntutouch
[09:25] <diwic> jodh, ^ maybe this is something for you
[09:27] <jodh> tiiongtsu: sounds like the upstart-local-bridge is not running outside the lxc container?
[09:30] <ogra_> well, it should start after this
[09:31] <ogra_> tiiongtsu, what are you trying to do with the property watcher ?
[09:34] <ogra_> jodh, the local bridge stuff is "start on starting lxc-android-config", the message is normal and should go away as aoon as the container has populared /dev/socket ...
[09:35] <ogra_> (we could probably move it to "start on android" which is emitted only if the socket dir is ready)
[09:40] <tiiongtsu> T^T
[11:43] <pitertin> newUser
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[12:10] <WebVisitor-5> Is there a way, to scroll with one finger on touchscreen in ubuntu 14.04?
[12:12] <ogra_> on the phone ? sure ... thats the default
[12:13] <WebVisitor-5> When I use Ubuntu on my X240 Touchscreen
[12:13] <ogra_> well, this is the channel for ubuntu touch ... the phone OS
[12:13] <WebVisitor-5> it only marks the text in the webbrowser, instead of scrolling
[12:13] <ogra_> try #ubuntu-x
[12:13] <pmcgowan> WebVisitor-5, are you using chromium? that has better touch support in Trusty
[12:13] <WebVisitor-5> oh thx, I came from Project Multitouch, thought this was for desktop
[12:14] <ogra_> but to my knowledge you need browser plugins for touchscreen support
[12:14] <pmcgowan> ogra_, chromium latest has stuff built in
[12:14] <ogra_> ah, thats new to me
[12:14]  * ogra_ hanst used touchscreen laptops in a while ... :)
[12:15] <WebVisitor-5> Thx, chromium has touch support :)
[13:30] <mhall119> no zoltan today?
[13:33] <pmcgowan> mhall119, he's probably on the train right now
[13:42] <robotfuel> bfiller: I have this mp for the gallery app, who do I ping to get it merged? https://code.launchpad.net/~chris.gagnon/gallery-app/autopilot-fix-flakyness-and-make-work-on-desktop/+merge/217766
[13:43] <bfiller> robotfuel: I can do it
[13:47] <robotfuel> bfiller: do you know if there is a wiki or document somewhere that specifies how the state of an app is suppose to be restored? the gallery app has some disabled tests that I tried to fix but does not restore the state if sigterm is sent after being placed in the background.
[13:48] <robotfuel> bfiller: I assume this might be a regression, because the disabled tests in the gallery app used to do this.
[13:48] <ogra_> robotfuel, ricmm_ or tedg should know i think
[13:48] <ogra_> or perhaps Saviq
[13:48] <bfiller> robotfuel: no wiki, but for gallery I believe just rm -rf  .loca/share/gallery-app
[13:48] <bfiller> will blow away the database
[13:49] <tedg> I think that the SDK is supposed to check for restore on startup.
[13:49] <robotfuel> It's not a database issue but a state issue on which page the app opens again after it's been closed.
[13:49] <tedg> That might require handling the "out of focus" signal coming from Mir though.
[13:50] <tedg> I bet a bzoltan or mzanetti would know?
[13:50] <robotfuel> I was using unity8 introspection to make sure it was out of focus in the unity8 shell.
[13:51] <tedg> Yeah, the signal comes down the Mir socket.
[13:52] <tedg> Unity Mir should tell it that it should save state before pausing it.
[13:52] <ogra_> well, there is an SDK part actually ..
[13:52] <ogra_> since the app needs to transparently know how to save its state
[13:53] <ogra_> but that doesnt exist yet
[13:53] <ogra_> so if it recieverd SIGTERM by being put in bg and hitting the OOM limit it will simply start anew
[13:54] <pmcgowan> the sdk support is there to know when the app is not active, and the statesaver will save and restore as appropriate, but apps need to use it
[13:54] <ogra_> well, that cant be a job of the app developer
[13:54] <ogra_> needs to work transparent
[13:55] <pmcgowan> the dev needs to pick what to save
[13:55]  * ogra_ thinks thats flawed 
[13:56] <pmcgowan> how would the system know what is appropriate for app state? for certain things it could, like current tab or whatever, but not everything
[13:57] <didrocks> yeah, that's why there is the bundle in android
[13:58] <didrocks> only the UI current state and entry are saved automatically, the rest is put in a bundle available when you restore the application
[13:58] <robotfuel> pmcgowan: is there documentation for app developers to know how to use the statesaver? do you know if there are tests for it?
[13:58] <didrocks> (and the bundle is serialized and deserialized by the app dev)
[13:58] <ogra_> pmcgowan, dump the whole memory of the app to disk ... kill it ... when restarting restore the whole mess from disk, start the app attached to the restored memory
[13:58] <didrocks> ogra_: and meanwhile, the application was updated and you don't have the old code around…
[13:59] <ogra_> didrocks, if the app was updated we know that
[13:59] <ogra_> this is solely for apps being kiled when in bg
[13:59] <robotfuel> I found the documents http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-12.04/qml/ui-toolkit/qml-ubuntu-components0-statesaver.html#details
[13:59] <ogra_> by the oom killer
[14:01] <robotfuel> the gallery app is using statesaver, but is not restored when sigterm'ed in the background.
[14:02] <tedg> ogra_, The problem is also live connections, like sockets.
[14:02] <ogra_> ah, yeah
[14:02] <ogra_> but sockets shouldnt be used directly by apps anyway, should they ?
[14:02] <ogra_> so the toolkit could hook into that and intercept
[14:02] <tedg> ogra_, Why not?
[14:03] <ogra_> confinement ?
[14:03] <tedg> ogra_, Also most libs assume that things like the dbus unique name won't change.
[14:03] <tedg> ogra_, Not if they have networking permissions, which I imagine most will have (ads)
[14:04]  * tedg hates the apps with ads, but it's a reality
[14:04] <ogra_> yeah
[14:04] <ogra_> but right, i didnt think of sockets and dbus etc
[14:05] <tedg> I wish we could tease out networking from ads. But that's a lot more work. So you could show ads but still not have networking.
[14:05] <pmcgowan> ogra_, you still make a good point
[14:06] <ogra_> pmcgowan, well, there must be a way android and ios do it without putting the penalty on the appdev
[14:07] <pmcgowan> robotfuel, there is http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.04/Ubuntu.Components.StateSaver/
[14:08] <pmcgowan> ogra_, I don't know
[14:08] <ogra_> (on a sidenote i also think our memory mgmt is to strict ... it cant be that if i have only 5 webapps open the 6th one already gets killed on a 2G RAM device)
[14:13] <mpt> Has anyone tried connecting to a WPA Enterprise Wi-Fi network in Touch?
[14:15] <ogra_> mpt, i guess these people that occasionally come here asking why it doesnt work have :P
[14:16] <mpt> ogra_, ok, I hadn’t pored through weeks of logs :P
[14:16] <tedg> ogra_, I think that iOS and Android do put the work on the appdev, just most appdevs don't restore, they restart and deal with it. Most apps just check network for state anyway.
[14:16] <ogra_> mpt, cyphermox should know details about WLAN issues
[14:16] <tedg> mpt, IRC as the new big data platform, quick schedule a conference!
[14:17] <mpt> Wat.
[14:20] <popey> mpt: there's a few missing use cases for wifi, including those that require a username/password - not just a password.
[14:20] <ogra_> iirc there is a bug somewhere ... even with workaround attempts
[14:22] <mpt> popey, yes, it seems this is yet another casualty of our UI-module-based organization … But I’m designing bits of it at the moment
[14:23] <cyphermox> yes?
[14:24] <cyphermox> ahah, WPA enterprise on Touch!
[14:25] <cyphermox> mpt, as I understand it, WPA Enteprise was omitted on purpose to make things simpler -- like VPNs. The only way you can currently do these types of connections is by pushing the configuration file on the device and connecting via the command line
[14:26] <cyphermox> (it's also one piece that will very much need a way to edit connection details after the fact, or delete connections)
[14:26] <mpt> cyphermox, WPA Enterprise was omitted to make VPNs simpler? Or VPNs were omitted to make things simpler?
[14:27] <cyphermox> both were omitted to make things simpler to design/develop quickly.
[14:27] <cyphermox> sorry, my english isn't perfect
[14:27] <mpt> ah I see
[14:27] <timppa> Hi there! Do you have any "roadmap" for Utopic? I mean which features will be available when 14.10 is released?
[14:28] <bact> I too would be interested in that
[14:29] <cwayne1> stgraber: hi, can we get devel-customized-demo aliased to utopic-customized-demo?
[14:29] <cyphermox> timppa, bact, that depends a lot on the teams and "aspects" of the system, plans usually end up in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic, but I don't think that's quite complete yet
[14:30] <timppa> cyphermox: thanks! I'll have a look on that
[14:31] <cyphermox> it doesn't seem to have much touch stuff yet, or many approved blueprints at all
[14:32] <juicyjones> /a/
[14:32] <timppa> cyphermox: so it seems
[14:32] <cyphermox> timppa: if you're interested in a particular feature I think it would probably be best if you just ask about it here, or in a channel where it makes sense (as in, -server for server things)
[14:32] <timppa> I think ppl are waiting for the convergence stuff... :)
[14:33] <timppa> at least I am
[14:33] <stgraber> cwayne1: yeah, will do that in a tiny bit
[14:33] <tedg> mpt, I'll follow up there by saying if WPA Enterprise or VPNs get on the list of must haves from the product guys, please tell us as soon as possible :-)
[14:34] <timppa> What I would like to see on the next release, email client, VPN stuff and convergence :D
[14:34] <ogra_> timppa, convergence is to be done by 16.04
[14:34] <ogra_> so within the next two years it will start to show up
[14:34] <timppa> ogra_: Oh :/
[14:35] <timppa> That's really a huge amount of work so that's understandable
[14:35] <ogra_> right
[14:35] <ogra_> especially we need to have desktop support of unity8
[14:35] <ogra_> which is still far out since all resources for that are bound to finishe the phone first
[14:35] <timppa> ogra_: sure
[14:35] <bact> ogra_: are you being serious?
[14:36] <bact> the convergence thing was the only thing that attracted me towards ubuntu touch
[14:36] <ogra_> bact, the guaranteed date for converged phones is 16.04 yes
[14:36] <bact> ogra_: Is this far off date because the current hardware of phones cannot handle desktop ubuntu?
[14:37] <bact> Because I've seen video footage of it working, just very slowly
[14:37] <ogra_> might happen in 15.04 already ... or in 15.10 ... 16.04 is the one where it is guaranteed to be done though
[14:37] <ogra_> current HW is performant enough i'd say
[14:37] <ogra_> you need a bit more ram and a lot more diskspace though
[14:37] <bact> but unity is pretty heavy
[14:37] <ogra_> what ?
[14:38] <ogra_> unity8 isnt heavy
[14:38] <bact> compared to say.. gnome 2 or xfce
[14:38] <ogra_> its probably using 1/10th of the resources of the desktop unity today
[14:38] <ogra_> and once it has desktop support that will likely still only be 1/3
[14:39]  * ogra_ bets it is even lighter than gnome2 or xfce (today that is ... without desktop mode) 
[14:40] <ogra_> bact, dont compare what you see on the desktop today :) thats all to be going away
[14:41] <bact> ogra_: going away?
[14:41] <timppa> ogra_: I just updated to Utopic #8 and the click apps won't update/download. Should it be this way?
[14:42] <ogra_> timppa, i think there is a bug open for that ... several people reported it ... usually a reboot helps
[14:42] <ogra_> bact, yes
[14:42] <timppa> ogra_: ok
[14:42] <ogra_> bact, unity7 is a dead end
[14:42] <ogra_> (which is what you see on trusty on the desktop today)
[14:43] <bact> ogra_: so unity 8 is a completely different product?
[14:43] <ogra_> yes
[14:43] <ogra_> it will look the same ... but is completely differently implemented ... using a lot less resources etc
[14:45] <bact> impressive
[14:45] <ogra_> bact, Xorg and compiz will go away too ...
[14:45] <ogra_> unity7 is a pile of compiz plugins today
[14:45] <ogra_> the future is Mir and unity8
[14:46] <ogra_> (i.e. what you see on the phone today)
[14:46] <bact> no more compiz fusion wobbly windows?
[14:46] <ogra_> nope
[14:46] <bact> :(
[14:47] <ogra_> well, people can surely set up their own compiz based desktops if they want to
[14:47] <ogra_> but not in unity
[14:47] <ogra_> there might be wobbly support in unity8 some day, who knows :)
[14:47] <seb128> well, unity7 is opensource
[14:47] <seb128> it's not going anywhere
[14:47] <ogra_> patches accepted ;)
[14:47] <seb128> users can keep running it or patching it
[14:48] <ogra_> right
[14:48] <ogra_> or patch wbbling into unity8
[14:48] <ogra_> *wpbbling
[14:48] <ogra_> bah
[14:48] <ogra_> wobbly fingers :P
[14:48] <seb128> yeah, let's see
[14:48] <seb128> not sure the Mir guys want those sort of niceties in their codebase ;-)
[14:48] <didrocks> *niceties*
[14:49] <ogra_> heh
[15:12] <awe_> slangasek, hey I've run into a problem building our phablet code ( specifically just the emulator ); the error is "can't find -lGL".  Looks like a new version of libgl1-mesa-glx landed April 14, and my guess is that broke things.
[15:12] <awe_> is this something you could help with?
[15:12] <awe_> or at least point me at someone else who could?
[15:13] <awe_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7380118/
[15:14] <ogra_> awe_, probably #ubuntu-x (mlankhorst in there perhaps)
[15:16] <biraj> Hey
[15:17] <biraj> can you anyone help to start me with toch localization
[15:17] <biraj> ?
[15:17] <biraj> I am bengali-india open source localizer
[15:17] <biraj> I want to see touch in my language also
[15:18] <biraj> help me to start
[15:20] <biraj> i am interested in Ubuntu touch localization
[15:21] <dbarth> biraj: hi, you should try to get in touch with dpm or dholbach early next week
[15:21] <dbarth> or maybe kyleN can give you pointers to get started
[15:22] <biraj> thanks
[15:23] <biraj> kyleN, ping
[15:23] <biraj> kyleN, can you help to get started ?
[15:23] <kyleN> dbarth, biraj: dpm is the right person to get started with this. Please note there has been discussion of this on the ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net list
[15:24] <biraj> is there any mailing list ?
[15:24] <biraj> I can join
[15:24] <kyleN> biraj, ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net
[15:24] <biraj> thanks kyleN
[15:26] <kyleN> biraj, check the bottom of this page for info on joining teams and the list: http://developer.ubuntu.com/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[15:26] <mhall119> bzoltan: ping
[15:27] <mhall119> bzoltan: I still can't get Trojita to build in an armhf chroot, either in QtCreator of manually with click chroot.  I really need your help getting this figured out
[15:33] <bzoltan> mhall119: I will check it out again
[15:34] <mhall119> thanks, it may be some legacy configs on my end, but I don't know which to check
[15:35] <ogra_> oh, trojita update ?
[15:36] <mhall119> ogra_: I'm trying to :)
[15:36] <ogra_> bzoltan, drop all other work !!
[15:36] <ogra_> :)
[15:36] <mhall119> lol
[15:37] <mhall119> ogra_: I've tried that before, it doesn't work.  Evidently we're not in the right part of the org chart
[15:37] <ogra_> damn :)
[15:37] <bzoltan> ogra_:  I am desperate to get an imap client on my device :) So it is top priority on my weekend ... pmcgowan could have some world about my Mon-Fri priorities :D
[15:38] <mhall119> if there's ever a job opening for "Tell Zoltan what to work on", I suspect there would be a large number of applicants
[15:38] <popey> pffft
[15:38] <ogra_> a queue !
[15:38] <bzoltan> mhall119: as for volunteers to kick bzoltan's ass
[15:40] <bzoltan> mhall119:  in real life... the top priority  I am working on is to release a new UITK and the QtC with fresh and fixed UI
[15:57] <mpt> bact, Unity 8 is probably ~5% of the work involved in making a convergent OS. System Settings is maybe ~20%. Then there’s all kinds of random stuff to implement that we don’t even have a list of yet: what happens when you plug in a camera, what happens when you try to open a file of an unknown type, the error reporting UI, how the new toolkit works with a physical keyboard, accessibility, formatting a USB key, installing things that aren’t apps, and m
[15:57] <mpt> aking LibreOffice work on Mir, to pick just a few random examples
[15:57] <mpt> Oh, and WPA Enterprise of course :)
[15:59] <ogra_> system based upgrades on desktop too :)
[15:59] <ogra_> err
[15:59] <ogra_> image based
[16:01] <kenvandine> ogra_, that's a huge one
[16:01] <ogra_> yep
[16:01] <ogra_> ut the best one :)
[16:01] <ogra_> *but
[16:01] <mhall119> mpt: I'd think Unity is a bit more than 8%
[16:01] <kenvandine> i'd agree, but it'll be controversial
[16:01] <mhall119> 5% too
[16:01]  * ogra_ really looks forward to have his desktop upgrading to a completely new system in 5min 
[16:02] <ogra_> instead of having to wait 1h or more
[16:02] <mhall119> you know Windows users still set aside a day for major upgrades :)
[16:03] <mhall119> we've become so spoiled that even one hour is too long
[16:03] <kenvandine> mhall119, we don't really have to strive to be better than windows upgrades :)
[16:03] <mpt> mhall119, anything looks big if you’re standing too close.
[16:04] <mpt> ;)
[16:04] <ogra_> :)
[16:04] <bfiller> can anyone create a second google account using build 7? mine just gets stuck on white screen
[16:05] <mhall119> mpt: so it's not that Unity 8 is a small job, it's that there are so many others that are also big?
[16:05] <bfiller> can't create any online account for that matter
[16:06] <kenvandine> bfiller, do you have a real network connection?
[16:06] <mpt> mhall119, exactly.
[16:06] <kenvandine> i've been bitten by the need to toggle wifi to get online
[16:06] <kenvandine> even though it appears to be online
[16:06] <popey> yeah, it seems dns fails
[16:07] <bfiller> kenvandine: seems I have that problem too
[16:07] <kenvandine> popey, ChickenCutlass said it's a known problem
[16:07] <kenvandine> it's not dns
[16:07] <bfiller> kenvandine: toggling wifi worked, thanks
[16:07] <popey> yeah, cypher mox knows of it and is apparently on it
[16:08] <kenvandine> cool
[16:08] <mhall119> kenvandine: popey: it is online, the problem is it sets two default routes, one for wifi and one for 3g
[16:08] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:09] <kenvandine> toggling it seems to fix it
[16:10] <pmcgowan> bfiller, btw I cannot take photos either, whereas back in jan that worked
[16:10] <pmcgowan> old phot was at a different resolution
[16:11] <bfiller> pmcgowan: must be related
[16:11] <pmcgowan> bfiller, something in the stack changed for the worse
[16:41] <JoshStrobl_> Strange question, since I'm fairly new to using Ubuntu Touch (using UT on N5 hammerhead). When you do a full swipe up within an app, is the option it gives you the HUD? Figured it might be, since it's the same functionality as hitting ALT (at least for me) on the desktop.
[16:48] <kenvandine> JoshStrobl_, yes
[16:49] <JoshStrobl_> kenvandine: Cool. Just wanted to make sure I had that vernacular correct in the event I wanted to file a bug.
[16:50] <kenvandine> has anyone done any cross builds for utopic armhf?  my sbuild keeps hanging when running cmake
[16:50] <kenvandine> it's always in the cmake stage...
[16:51] <kenvandine> Elleo, i might need to upload this stuff to a ppa to get armhf builds, this is soaking up way to much time!
[16:51] <kenvandine> i miss being able to build on my grouper...
[16:52] <kenvandine> i wonder if a dist-upgrade after s/trusty/utopic/ on my grouper would be a terrible thing :)
[17:53] <slangasek> awe_: what build is that happening as part of?  libGL.so shouldn't have changed at all, regardless of what new mesa stuff has landed
[17:54] <awe_> slangasek, xnox helped me fix the problem.  This was for a phablet/emulator build
[17:54] <slangasek> ok
[17:55] <awe_> installing libgl1-mesa-dev:i386 fixed the problem
[18:24] <Elleo> kenvandine: okay, cool; I'm away today and monday, but am happy to do any extra testing you need when I get back :)
[18:25] <kenvandine> Elleo, cool, well enjoy your weekend
[18:25] <kenvandine> Elleo, i have the browser and hub building in the ppa... taking forever!
[18:26] <kenvandine> worse case it'll be ready for me to do final testing before submitting a branch on monday
[18:27] <Elleo> okay, cool
[19:10] <mesut>  is it possible port ubuntu touch htc desire hd ?
[19:18] <mlf> Hi all
[19:19] <mlf> I'm stuck trying to make my Apple Bluetooth Keyboard to work on ubuntu touch installed on Nexus 7
[19:19] <mlf> but it doesn't work. Some help?
[19:24] <mterry> doanac, I'm not having any success getting an unlock failure so far
[19:25] <doanac> mterry: i assume you are doing it on mako, right?
[19:25] <mlf> ???
[19:26] <mterry> doanac, yes
[19:27] <doanac> hmm. i don't suppose the output from the job i shared with you helps enough?
[19:27] <mterry> mlf, I've not used bluetooth devices with Touch.  I'm not sure what the expected support is
[19:27] <mterry> doanac, not enough no...  It shows that "something" is happening to cause unity8 to not come up after restarting it for testability
[19:28] <mterry> doanac, but if that's a crash or just a bad timeout value or what, not sure.  Also, I'm a little puzzled why this part of the stack would show a difference in my versions of the script -- that's the part I didn't change
[19:28] <doanac> mterry: we should have unity8 upstart logs. would that help?
[19:28] <mterry> doanac, possibly yeah -- can we tell if there are unity8 crash files too?
[19:28] <doanac> mterry: should be able. we pull all those files after each run. let me look
[19:29] <doanac> mterry: crap - we don't get the logs cause phablet-test-run is failing and that's what pulls the logs for us
[19:30] <mterry> doanac, heh
[19:30] <doanac> i can reflash/rerun and see if things just improve
[19:32] <mterry> doanac, I'll keep trying to see if I can reproduce and maybe some crash files or logs will be left on my device
[19:33] <doanac> ack
[20:02] <doanac> mterry: the re-run is doing the same thing. i'm about to have to close down for the weekend. maybe we can pick back up on Monday?
[20:02] <mterry> doanac, OK.  I'm still having all tests pass so far
[20:02] <mterry> doanac, something must be different about how I'm running it or the env
[20:03] <doanac> mterry: to fully reproduce. put your phablet-tools in your PATH and run: APPS=all ./scripts/run-smoke
[20:03] <doanac> mterry: to fully reproduce. put your phablet-tools in your PATH and run: APPS=ALL ./scripts/run-smoke
[20:03] <doanac> i think APPS=ALL (all caps)
[20:03] <mterry> doanac, OK, will try that
[20:03] <doanac> that's pretty much the exact command we run
[20:04] <mterry> doanac, will that provision device with autopilot packages correctly?
[20:04] <doanac> mterry: yep
[20:04] <mterry> doanac, awesome, will try
[20:05] <jdstrand> I have a zImage kernel for mako and want to use abootimg it install it. the command I have is an example for grouper: abootimg -u /dev/mmcblk0p2 -k /boot/vmlinuz-3.1.10-6-grouper
[20:05] <jdstrand> how should I adjust that for mako?
[20:06] <mterry> doanac, ugh, next time you upload ubuntu-test-cases, can you change provision.sh to put quotes around its use of $NETWORK_FILE
[20:06] <mterry> ?
[20:06] <mterry> doanac, I keep hitting that
[20:06] <jdstrand> oh, I just found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/AndroidKernel
[20:07] <doanac> mterry: oops. sorry about that
[20:07] <jdstrand> hmmm, seems out of date
[20:08] <mterry> doanac, no worries, I just happen to always use space-containing essids for some reason  :)
[20:10] <jdstrand> rsalveti: hey-- can you help me with abootimg? ^
[20:11] <jdstrand> ah, things seemed to move from /dev/block/platform... to /dev/disk/by-partlabel
[20:17] <jdstrand> rsalveti: nm, I figured it out once I discovered /dev/disk/by-partlabel
[20:18] <jdstrand> (ie, ls -l /dev/disk/by-partlabel/boot gave me /dev/mmcblk0p6 and then I was good to go)
[20:27] <jdstrand> jjohansen: fyi, running the ipc kernel on my phone. looks good so far. one minor policy adjustment so far
[20:28] <jdstrand> make that two
[20:28] <jdstrand> I think it might be a base abstraction update: ptrace (read) peer=@{profile_name},
[20:30] <jdstrand> jjohansen: anyhoo, I'll test over the weekend and get back to you
[20:32] <jjohansen> jdstrand: yeah, its interesting. On manta I haven't seen any denials
[20:32] <jjohansen> which apps are you seeing them from?
[20:33] <jjohansen> but yeah mostly the base set of abstractions take care of everything already
[20:33]  * jjohansen really needs to spend some more time testing too
[20:33] <jdstrand> jjohansen: I see them with oxide (rottentomatoes) and the music-app (which I have confined locally - https://code.launchpad.net/~jdstrand/music-app/lp1315386). the denial is in media-hub so I don't think you'd actually need music-app to be confined
[20:34] <jdstrand> jjohansen: just need r8 in devel-proposed
[20:34] <jdstrand> (that ships media-hub which is confined with a system profile)
[20:34] <jjohansen> ah, so I don't have an r8 image on manta yet, I'll have to update
[20:35] <jdstrand> jjohansen: rottentomatoes may not need r8
[20:35] <jdstrand> to trigger the denial
[20:35] <jjohansen> rotten tomatos requires an app install
[20:36] <jdstrand> yes
[20:36] <jjohansen> I've only been hitting the default image so far
[20:36] <jdstrand> do you want the click? as it turns out, that is my app :)
[20:36] <jjohansen> sure
[20:39] <jdstrand> jjohansen: http://people.canonical.com/~jamie/jj/
[20:39] <jjohansen> thanks
[20:39] <jdstrand> jjohansen: install with: sudo -H -u phablet pkcon install-local /path/to/com.ubuntu.developer.jdstrand.rottentomatoes_0.10_all.click
[20:40] <jjohansen> ack thanks
[20:40] <jdstrand> jjohansen: I think you will have to use SEARCH in the app scope to find it since you are installing it this way
[20:40] <jdstrand> (search for 'rotten')
[20:40] <jjohansen> why wouldn't it show up under installed?
[20:41] <jdstrand> it will after you launch it once. I'm not sure it won't if you install via pkcon or not. if it doesn't, use search
[20:41] <jjohansen> okay
[20:43] <jdstrand> I notice /etc/machine-id is needed to. that is obviously unrelated to the ipc work
[20:43] <jdstrand> too*
[20:43] <jjohansen> okay, I'll try it and let you know what I see
[20:44] <jdstrand> I bet grooveshark would trigger it... (music scope)
[20:45] <jdstrand> oh, no, that is launched in the context of webbrowser-app, which is not confined
[20:52] <dobey> yeah if you install a click via cli, the dash and scope don't get told about it automatically
[20:52] <dobey> so you have to search for it the first time, then it'll be there
[20:54] <jjohansen> jdstrand: so yes I had to search for it, denials so far
[20:54] <jjohansen> paste.ubuntu.com/7381967/
[20:56] <jjohansen> sadly the whole interface seems to have died
[21:07] <jjohansen> jdstrand: more denials paste.ubuntu.com/7382034/
[21:11] <jdstrand> jjohansen: oh, interesting. thanks
[21:11] <jdstrand> what is exynos?
[21:11] <jdstrand> (and why hasn't anyone reported these sooner?
[21:11] <jjohansen> jdstrand: give me a bit and I will update to the latest image.
[21:11] <jdstrand> )
[21:11] <jjohansen> exynos is a samsung arm chip
[21:12] <jdstrand> QtWebProcess
[21:12] <jdstrand> that's weird
[21:12] <jdstrand> that sounds like you are using qtwebkit
[21:15] <jdstrand> (and the package name is wrong)
[21:15] <jdstrand> anyhoo, I'll look at later
[21:30] <jjohansen> jdstrand: remember I have an older image atm, so maybe that is part of it. The first time I launched rotten tomatoes the browser also came up in the background
[21:31] <jjohansen> also the tablet images just are not as good as the phone, there are lots of little weird bugs happening
[21:55] <xhoch3> hello everybody
[22:47] <jjohansen> jdstrand: okay I updated to the latest, here are the latest set of denials
[22:47] <jjohansen> paste.ubuntu.com/7382519/
[22:48] <jjohansen> interestingly, things are subjectively worse under the new image, lots of scrolling stutter and image corruption
[22:48] <jjohansen> of course it hasn't out right died on me yet
[22:48] <jjohansen> which is good
[23:05] <jjohansen> jdstrand: and the latest afeter more playing paste.ubuntu.com/7382586/