[00:01] nice [00:01] done much? [00:03] not a vast amount, one day of doing a pleasently warm and mostly empty theme park [00:03] bit of walking but not a lot [00:03] oh and buying discount easter eggs [00:05] aww yeah array all sorted. [00:05] discount easter eggs seems a fine plan [00:08] what theme park? [00:08] maps|wrk: Alton Towers [00:08] ahh nice [00:08] really that empty? [00:08] yeh [00:09] maps|wrk: Most things less than 5mins wait, Smiler was longer - except for the single-rider queue that was again 5 mins or so [00:09] thats good though isnt it [00:09] wonderful [00:09] i havent been for geez about 15+years [00:10] especially good penguin42 because my understanding is that they sell queue jump for all the rides and that now [00:10] maps|wrk: I can thoroughly recommend riding Nemesis at the front, bare foot [00:10] yeh they sell 'fast tracks' for an extra chunk of fortune over and above the existing entrance fortune [00:10] so normal people like me that dont wanna pay extra [00:10] would be left queueing forever:?:D [00:10] indeed, me also [00:10] so you got a good day:) [00:11] maps|wrk: Yep, I think I scored 3 nemesis front row, 2 air, 3 smiler, 2 spinball and about 1 of most other big ones (except Rita that was down and anyway I'm not a big fan) [00:12] nice [00:12] the smiler is insane, I gave up counting the number of inversions [00:13] alton towers lacks a good wooden coatsre [00:13] with wood [00:13] and rolling [00:13] and coasting [00:13] directhex: I can get to Blackpool easy for that - but I prefer things with inversions [00:14] i find too many inversion-heavy rides jolt me about too much. give me a headache [00:14] goudurix @ parc asterix is particularly bad for that [00:14] directhex: I find I'm OK if they're smooth [00:14] smoothest roller coaster i've been on is probably dragon khan at portaventura [00:15] which was a record holder for inversions until 2002 [00:16] the cable cars are good;p [00:16] directhex: The one at blackpool that used to be at southport is just too painfully rough now, when it was newer and at southport it was wonderfully smooth [00:17] directhex: since I tend to go off season it can be a bit odd - I rode that southport one otherwise empty - it's odd riding a big coaster by yourself [00:20] you go on your own? [00:20] nod [00:22] even to towers? [00:22] i assumed went with family or something [00:22] i wouldnt like going on my own..but thats me:) [00:23] gotta restart the host file server due to the IE11 zero day out-of-band fix [00:23] ;_; [00:23] brb [00:24] maps|wrk: Don't really know people to go with for that [00:24] ah [00:40] daftykins: Can you just confirm something to me - did you just manage to replace an existing drive in your RAID array ina seamless, no-downtime, all OK fashion - and then have to reboot for an IE update? [00:41] yes sir :) [00:41] rigggghhhhht - just checking [01:27] always quiet now [01:27] probably 2-3 awake most [06:26] hey [06:26] heeeeyyyy. [06:26] [06:28] :D [07:51] daftykins: server needs a reboot after an ie patch? === msm is now known as Guest63840 [08:19] ᵔᴥᵔ [08:19] is there _ever_ going to be a next meeting? :D [08:31] pah got kicked off [08:31] moi aussi === diplo- is now known as diplo === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 [09:05] Morning all [09:11] allo allo [09:27] morning boys and girls. [09:35] moo [09:37] doo [09:38] meep [09:41] why do i only ever feel rough on days off? === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:53] Your subconscious is a member of the Conservative Party and seeks to punish you for your idleness. [09:54] lol [09:54] Hmmph, Ubuntu upgrades take ages [09:54] (distribution upgrades, not std. updates) [09:56] Also, seriously? Ubuntu can't upgrade to a *current* version of Eclipse even though it's nearly a year old now? 3.8.1-1 to 3.8.1-5 ? [09:57] Canonical are hiring a Java maintainer though.... [09:57] awilkins, can't it? [09:58] diddledan_, 3.8 is the old-UI-toolkit version of 4.2 [09:58] diddledan_, Current version is 4.3 [09:58] Which has been out since last year [09:58] so why can't ubuntu upgrade to that? [09:59] diddledan_, It's not available in the package archives.. I usually install it by installing the package (for the dependencies) and then unpacking a release archive in my home folder [09:59] oic. no maintainer? [10:00] I guess since it's so easy to run from an unpack, that Debian pacakers just don't really care very much [10:00] And TBH the packages are arguably worse than running it from a folder [10:00] I actually don't like that eclipse doesn't follow file-layout conventions [10:01] There's this horrible friction between things that have their own package management, and debian packages [10:01] Like Ruby (kings of bleeding-edge) [10:01] yeah, and node/npm [10:01] python/pip is going that way too [10:02] and perl/cpan has always been a pain [10:02] Canonical are hiring a Java maintainer... tempted to apply but my C++ isn't really very good [10:03] I like how gentoo does perl/cpan stuff - it provides a utility which creates a new definition in the package manager but still uses the up-to-date cpan source [10:03] https://ch.tbe.taleo.net/CH03/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=777 [10:04] diddledan_, That sounds like the way my mind was working on the problem just now... "how about something that integrates the foreign packaging system into the debian one..." === andatche_ is now known as andatche [10:17] havn't done much with java, although I did one write a GWT UI [10:17] lots of folks seem to hate java [10:23] I don't really think it's a rational hatred [10:23] Like all the stuff about it performing badly... [10:24] my main gripe with it lately is just the error messages being insane [10:26] I've never had a problem with java as a technology, only the programs written using it all looking ugly [10:26] client programs** [10:32] I just hate getting error messages like http://pastebin.com/eZr1ztYP [10:33] shauno fun [10:34] I have problems trying to convince others to go log-diving when troubleshooting, when even a simple UnkownHostException is 20+ lines long [10:35] Hmm... maybe it's best to just have easy means of posting these things [10:36] THe long stack traces are actually useful, in th emain [10:36] they're useful .. for someone else. that's the problem [10:36] That's a lotta spring though [10:37] but we get logs that are stack traces that log4j has wrapped up in xml, and the result is quite imposing [10:38] this is why disk space became cheap after Java use exploded [10:40] What, hosted service disk space? [10:41] I have nightmares about what our own ICT dept. charges us for SAN space... [10:45] * awilkins now has to reboot because his Trusty upgrade has finished [10:50] I'm sat watching http://www.ustream.tv/channel/iss-hdev-payload instead of working [10:51] it is amazing how unproductive work can make you [10:59] http://www.projectnaptha.com/ [11:00] copy text out of random images in chrome [11:00] that could be a total accessibility win for lolcats [11:03] awilkins: seems you managed to reconnect, so the upgrade was at least somewhat of a success? [11:03] Yeah... going to have reinstall Eclipse I think [11:03] Keeps dropping dead whenever I start it up [11:04] Hmm, maybe not [11:04] Might have just been the old workspace [11:04] Trashed that and it stopes greying out and apporting === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [11:06] My portable drive is 13.04, I guess I'll just back it up and reinstall [11:10] Ok, this is a weird upgrade bug : where has my "u" gone..... : https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10616420/where-is-my-u.png [11:10] Just in the dash [11:10] Hope that doesn't last more than a reboot :-) [11:24] howdy all [11:24] Moo [11:24] afternoodlings MooDoo [11:25] :) [11:26] :) [11:28] How can the govenrment find out if you watch tv at your home? [11:29] you need to pay a tv entertainment license I heard [11:29] ujjain2: detector vanes [11:29] vans [11:29] MooDoo they don't use vans no more [11:29] diddledan_: ok bloke with a meter then lol [11:29] ujjain2, if you don't have a license they'll visit occasionally to verify [11:30] it's not worth not having one, you even need one for a computer that has the ability to receive a tv signal [11:30] even though it's not a tv [11:31] There are no TV detector vans. It was originally a PR stunt to frighten people into thinking they could be detected and then pursued for not having a TV licence. [11:31] well even if there isn't, no point in trying to dodge it, you'll get caught eventually [11:32] but how, is what i wonder. [11:32] they have a way....i guarentee it [11:32] I know they have, [11:32] but which way, I don't even watch TV, but I wonder. [11:32] no idea..... [11:33] ujjain2, if you don't have a license they'll visit occasionally to verify [11:33] ah ok, but I can just disconnect the tv [11:33] before I let them in [11:34] they're smarter than that, they'll see the telly and assume you've been watching unlicensed [11:34] no that won't work, you have the tv in your place, you still need one even if you don't watch it [11:35] I have a TV in my room, I don't watch TV on it, sometimes a movie with a girl. [11:35] I'd be screwed then. [11:35] you still need a license :D === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [11:38] just get rid of the TV. if you don't watch it, and don't want to licence it, it's just a liability [11:47] * penguin42 notes that the latter outcome is perhaps the intent [11:48] plot twist .. the girl is an undercover (tv) inspector! [11:49] You don't need a TV license, they don't have rights to come on your property as far as I know [11:49] They need proof that you use it and don't pay, either by someone telling them or not paying [11:50] But even if you have an inspector they don't have the right to enter your property [11:50] Well that used to be the case anyway [11:52] I wish UK would move to a TV tax like Finland has [11:52] As of 2012 it was still the case, they need a court order/warrant [11:53] ujjain2, https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/cs/no-licence-needed/index.app [11:56] ujjain2: if you don't watch live TV, either on the TV itself or streamed, you do not need a TV licence. [11:56] atleast in Finland if you had a device that could receive TV signal and display it, you needed a licence irregardless of if it was hooked into an antenna or not. Only if you removed or disabled the tuner you could be exempt while owning a tv. [11:56] ujjain2: they can't enter your house. [11:57] ujjain2: the downside is if they know you have a TV they will keep sending you threatening letters and turning up at your door to annoy you [11:57] ujjain2: you can basically tell them to go away though. [11:57] I've read someone took the company Capita? to court for harassment at one point to stop that [11:57] yeah [11:58] many people are very anti-TV licence [11:58] Finland just charges everyone now... [11:58] including Azelphur [11:58] Ridiculous in one way I suppose, my ex took the TV license that I paid for as it was in her name [11:58] So I had to pay a whole year again [11:58] It's not done on the premises [11:58] they're trying to do that here - make the TV license mandatory across the board, whether you own a TV or not [11:59] iirc it is for the premises, but if it's in your name you can transfer it with you when you move [11:59] jussi: unless what you'd have to pay is less than 50€ [12:00] I tried argueing the point that I had paid out of my account for the last year, but I was failing to win [12:00] And couldn't be bothered after a certain while [12:01] Which I expect they were aiming for [12:13] got to the end of the line with me running my own VPS [12:13] :( [12:14] not fot the time to maintain it any more . [12:14] what is there to maintain? === slvr_ is now known as slvr [12:23] my server has been running happily for several months without being touched [12:30] I want to get it upgraded to 14.04 but do-release-upgrade doesn't recognise the path yet (I'm assuming until june?) [12:31] diddledan_: do-release-upgrade -d [12:31] It's not enabled until .1. [13:57] anyone know of a way to configure xchat on Ubuntu so that it does not keep putting up all those "x is now known as y" messages? === awilkins is now known as the-guy-who-does === the-guy-who-does is now known as awilkins [14:19] * awilkins doesn't know === bashrc is now known as is [14:20] lol === is is now known as bashrc [14:22] bashrc is now know known as that-is-bad-grammar === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea === awilkins is now known as awilkins|crisps [14:27] SuperEngineer: http://ocaoimh.ie/2012/10/10/hide-the-annoying-bits-in-xchat/ ? [14:27] hmm... just checked - no "is_now_known_as" handle in use - must.. stop... evil.... thoughts. must.. stop... now [14:28] * SuperEngineer moves keyboard further away. must.... stop,,,, arrrrrgh! === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [14:49] SuperEngineer: what about "the_artist_formally_known_as_the_artist_formally_known_as_prince"? [14:49] nicklen! [14:49] grr [14:49] silly freenode prolly won't allow it for being too long >.< [14:55] Yeah, mine was meant to be the-guy-who-doesnt-know === awilkins|crisps is now known as awilkins [15:03] crisps?! [15:03] * diddledan_ stomps his feet [15:03] no share? [15:04] :-p [15:04] Ooops [15:04] They were cheese & bacon ones, if you want to imagine how nice they were [15:04] grr [15:41] I used to love prawn cocktail [15:41] so much so that I'd shame anyone else for eating them "because they're pink", just so they were all left for me [15:50] shauno, I love them too [15:51] I also really like frazzles and chipsticks [15:59] shauno: :D marie rose sauce is a sauce of the gods [16:17] I really fancied a prawn and rocket salad with a yoghurt, lemon and black pepper sauce earlier in the week [16:17] Tesco had run out of rocket. And prawns without a stupid marinade. [16:17] :( [16:18] last time I went to tesco they were clean out of almonds. any variety at all. was kinda strange [16:19] I think they too are suffering from austerity.. of stock levels [16:19] Trying to cut down on perishable waste by just not having any... [16:19] Although almonds don't seem very perishable [16:22] heh, austerity .. aren't they responsible for a surprising amount of the UK's cash turnover? [16:23] One pound in 7 is spent in Tesco was the last stat I heard === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [16:25] sounds familiar. nuts I tell ya [16:26] I wonder what the other supermarkets go at [16:28] tis prolly partly 'cos tesco does so much other chav-loved items like huge, but impossibly cheap TVs [16:28] 56inch at 300£ kinda stupid prices [16:29] 56"?! that's not a TV, that's a solarium [16:29] (caveat, invented stat) [16:31] first out the box illustrates my point, however: http://www.tesco.com/direct/e-motion-50209g-50-inch-full-hd-1080p-led-tv-with-freeview/603-5651.prd?pageLevel=&skuId=603-5651 [16:32] I still can't use their delivery thing because they say my house doesn't exist [16:32] my last house didn't exist either. I'm starting to think they just don't like me [16:33] you could get it delivered to work and then put it on your back for the journey home [16:33] or.. does work exist? [16:33] that'd be more annoying than just going to tesco. at least I can get a bus from there [16:35] that's a good question actually. since we don't have a building number, we might not [16:36] work's weird though. I still have to call it "the digital building" for taxi drivers, even though most of them didn't live in the country when DEC still owned it [16:36] lol [16:39] i'm so disappointed in Microsoft that they patched that IE zero day on XP =| [16:39] *after* its' announced death date no less [16:40] I think it was a case of "omg this is REALLY serious" [16:40] it's along the lines of the heartbleed for IE === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [16:49] yarr [16:49] would've been nice to help see the back of it though [16:50] but i suppose what it really is is they fixed it for paying support extension customers and decided to release it into the public domain, to prevent a fiasco in future if it were uncovered [16:50] yeah. leaving that one would have been a nice big talking point. THIS is why you need to move off XP. not hypotheticals [16:50] yeah [16:51] it'ld be nice to say "look at all these holes you've got" [16:52] well, "this hole that's in the news" vs "the other holes that probably exist" [16:52] instead of trying to convince them that one day their belt may come lose, you can point out that their pants are around their ankles *now* [17:12] evening [17:15] what-o sir [17:17] hrmm i still haven't committed to a decision about my storage [17:17] this 2TB WD Red is just sat here on the desk doing nothing [17:24] shauno: now we know how many holes it takes to fill the albert hall? [17:44] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Icy-Box-IB-545SSK-5-Bay-Channel/dp/B006BQYSFA [17:44] hmm this looks nice [17:50] see the reviews? [17:51] hmm [17:51] it's icy box [17:51] it's going to have rubbish fans [17:51] yeah [17:51] really, just throw away the ones it comes with and buy proper ones [17:51] i've had a fair few of the 555SSK's in other setups actually that do great [17:51] not encountered any fan issues [17:52] they refer to SATA 3Gbps but really that shouldn't have anything to do with the enclosure [17:53] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Icy-Box-IB-555SSK-Channel-Backplane/dp/B002BLZ8TO/ [17:54] I've noticed a proliferation of the name "startech" on a lot of listings for io cards [17:54] daftykins: It depends if they did the board/connector design well enough to manage 6Gbps [17:54] indeed [17:54] things like tv cards specifically I've seen [17:54] diddledan_: startech do a lot of io cards/adapters [17:54] diddledan_: Quite a range of fairly random convertery type things, IP KVMs, leads, all random stuff like that [17:55] yeah [17:55] I think they made my mini-rack [17:55] it's normally pretty well made, not necessarily that cheap but they normally have some way of connecting one random thing to one other random thing via some other thing [18:04] ooh: https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/doctor-who-star-matt-smith-joins-terminator-5-cast-161836084.html [18:04] sounds tasty [18:09] czajkowski: One for you I think http://3milliondogs.com/rescue/24-pugs-who-were-saved-and-ready-for-adoption [18:11] ok i caved in... 5 x 2TB ordered [18:12] that means i'm gonna go from 5TB -> 10TB *and* cut down on power consumption yet again [18:12] daftykins, you know it makes sense [18:12] i do sir, i do [18:12] mainly given the age of these suckers though - and being out of warranty [18:12] 6 years is a loooong time [18:16] http://www.ebuyer.com/474845-wd-care-express-1-extra-year-warranty-1-day-rma-wdcexp0010-e [18:16] oooh hey [18:17] amazon's a little strange sometimes. "Want it Thursday, 8 May? Order it within 91 hrs 42 mins and choose Two-Day Delivery at checkout." [18:27] haha yeh that's weird [18:28] £20 off ebuyer for 5 x WD care extended [18:29] can't really sniff at that [18:42] * bashrc sniffs [18:42] d'aww what's up bashrc ? [18:42] just sniffing at it [18:43] the pump.io plaintextpocalypse has been averted btw [18:44] the what? [18:44] the plaintextpocalypse [18:44] passwords. in plain text. in the server logs [18:45] "pump.io is designed to be a standalone server" and it's written in node. why am i not surprised that it leaks passwords... [18:46] don't worry, the bug only took 10 months to fix [18:46] lol [18:46] rapid turnaround! [18:46] trouble is that pump.io has a very low bus factor [18:46] javascript man... should never have been allowed outside the browser [18:46] evening all [19:03] evening [19:03] going pub @ 10..gotta make sure i dont mug it...cant be at the casino at 6am [19:04] XD [19:04] yes, BAD maps [19:04] ive got form for this stupid behaviour [19:04] no moar gambling for you! there's a server to build! [19:04] few beers..hmm better go out [19:04] few more hmm casino..few more few more [19:04] ive gotta be up at 10;30 am too! [19:04] D: ! [19:04] Mmmm beer would be nice. Alas, none in the house. [19:05] i have some but don't find the desire when home alone [19:05] i do/did [19:05] my old routine would be [19:05] though that may also have something to do with it being cheap carlsberg export :D [19:05] finish work 5am..go to genting casino have a few..head down to grosvenor casino till 6am [19:05] then head to tesco for some home beers [19:06] 3/4 times a week heh [20:36] I've got into the strange habit of having one. just one. 10-years-ago shaun would be so confused === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away