[00:01] <maps|wrk> nice
[00:01] <maps|wrk> done much?
[00:03] <penguin42> not a vast amount, one day of doing a pleasently warm and mostly empty theme park
[00:03] <penguin42> bit of walking but not a lot
[00:03] <penguin42> oh and buying discount easter eggs
[00:05] <daftykins> aww yeah array all sorted.
[00:05] <daftykins> discount easter eggs seems a fine plan
[00:08] <maps|wrk> what theme park?
[00:08] <penguin42> maps|wrk: Alton Towers
[00:08] <maps|wrk> ahh nice
[00:08] <maps|wrk> really that empty?
[00:08] <penguin42> yeh
[00:09] <penguin42> maps|wrk: Most things less than 5mins wait, Smiler was longer - except for the single-rider queue that was again 5 mins or so
[00:09] <maps|wrk> thats good though isnt it
[00:09] <penguin42> wonderful
[00:09] <maps|wrk> i havent been for geez about 15+years
[00:10] <maps|wrk> especially good penguin42  because my understanding is that they sell queue jump for all the rides and that now
[00:10] <penguin42> maps|wrk: I can thoroughly recommend riding Nemesis at the front, bare foot
[00:10] <penguin42> yeh they sell 'fast tracks' for an extra chunk of fortune over and above the existing entrance fortune
[00:10] <maps|wrk> so normal people like me that dont wanna pay extra
[00:10] <maps|wrk> would be left queueing forever:?:D
[00:10] <penguin42> indeed, me also
[00:10] <maps|wrk> so you got a good day:)
[00:11] <penguin42> maps|wrk: Yep, I think I scored 3 nemesis front row, 2 air, 3 smiler, 2 spinball and about 1 of most other big ones (except Rita that was down and anyway I'm not a big fan)
[00:12] <maps|wrk> nice
[00:12] <penguin42> the smiler is insane, I gave up counting the number of inversions
[00:13] <directhex> alton towers lacks a good wooden coatsre
[00:13] <directhex> with wood
[00:13] <directhex> and rolling
[00:13] <directhex> and coasting
[00:13] <penguin42> directhex: I can get to Blackpool easy for that - but I prefer things with inversions
[00:14] <directhex> i find too many inversion-heavy rides jolt me about too much. give me a headache
[00:14] <directhex> goudurix @ parc asterix is particularly bad for that
[00:14] <penguin42> directhex: I find I'm OK if they're smooth
[00:14] <directhex> smoothest roller coaster i've been on is probably dragon khan at portaventura
[00:15] <directhex> which was a record holder for inversions until 2002
[00:16] <maps|wrk> the cable cars are good;p
[00:16] <penguin42> directhex: The one at blackpool that used to be at southport is just too painfully rough now, when it was newer and at southport it was wonderfully smooth
[00:17] <penguin42> directhex: since I tend to go off season it can be a bit odd - I rode that southport one otherwise empty - it's odd riding a big coaster by yourself
[00:20] <maps|wrk> you go on your own?
[00:20] <penguin42> nod
[00:22] <maps|wrk> even to towers?
[00:22] <maps|wrk> i assumed went with family or something
[00:22] <maps|wrk> i wouldnt like going on my own..but thats me:)
[00:23] <daftykins> gotta restart the host file server due to the IE11 zero day out-of-band fix
[00:23] <daftykins> ;_;
[00:23] <daftykins> brb
[00:24] <penguin42> maps|wrk: Don't really know people to go with for that
[00:24] <maps|wrk> ah
[00:40] <penguin42> daftykins: Can you just confirm something to me - did you just manage to replace an existing drive in your RAID array ina  seamless, no-downtime, all OK fashion -  and then have to reboot for an IE update?
[00:41] <daftykins> yes sir :)
[00:41] <penguin42> rigggghhhhht - just checking
[01:27] <maps|wrk> always quiet now
[01:27] <maps|wrk> probably 2-3 awake most
[06:26] <mapps> hey
[06:26] <Myrtti> heeeeyyyy.
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[06:28] <mapps> :D
[07:51] <foobarry> daftykins: server needs a reboot after an ie patch?
[08:19] <jussi> ᵔᴥᵔ
[08:19] <jussi> is there _ever_ going to be a next meeting?  :D
[08:31] <MooDoo> pah got kicked off
[08:31] <diplo-> moi aussi
[09:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:11] <diddledan_> allo allo
[09:27] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:35] <popey> moo
[09:37] <foobarry> doo
[09:38] <brobostigon> meep
[09:41] <foobarry> why do i only ever feel rough on days off?
[09:53] <awilkins> Your subconscious is a member of the Conservative Party and seeks to punish you for your idleness.
[09:54] <brobostigon> lol
[09:54] <awilkins> Hmmph, Ubuntu upgrades take ages
[09:54] <awilkins> (distribution upgrades, not std. updates)
[09:56] <awilkins> Also, seriously? Ubuntu can't upgrade to a *current* version of Eclipse even though it's nearly a year old now?  3.8.1-1 to 3.8.1-5 ?
[09:57] <awilkins> Canonical are hiring a Java maintainer though....
[09:57] <diddledan_> awilkins, can't it?
[09:58] <awilkins> diddledan_, 3.8 is the old-UI-toolkit version of 4.2
[09:58] <awilkins> diddledan_, Current version is 4.3
[09:58] <awilkins> Which has been out since last year
[09:58] <diddledan_> so why can't ubuntu upgrade to that?
[09:59] <awilkins> diddledan_, It's not available in the package archives.. I usually install it by installing the package (for the dependencies) and then unpacking a release archive in my home folder
[09:59] <diddledan_> oic. no maintainer?
[10:00] <awilkins> I guess since it's so easy to run from an unpack, that Debian pacakers just don't really care very much
[10:00] <awilkins> And TBH the packages are arguably worse than running it from a folder
[10:00] <diddledan_> I actually don't like that eclipse doesn't follow file-layout conventions
[10:01] <awilkins> There's this horrible friction between things that have their own package management, and debian packages
[10:01] <awilkins> Like Ruby (kings of bleeding-edge)
[10:01] <diddledan_> yeah, and node/npm
[10:01] <diddledan_> python/pip is going that way too
[10:02] <diddledan_> and perl/cpan has always been a pain
[10:02] <awilkins> Canonical are hiring a Java maintainer... tempted to apply but my C++ isn't really very good
[10:03] <diddledan_> I like how gentoo does perl/cpan stuff - it provides a utility which creates a new definition in the package manager but still uses the up-to-date cpan source
[10:03] <awilkins> https://ch.tbe.taleo.net/CH03/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=777
[10:04] <awilkins> diddledan_, That sounds like the way my mind was working on the problem just now... "how about something that integrates the foreign packaging system into the debian one..."
[10:17] <bashrc> havn't done much with java, although I did one write a GWT UI
[10:17] <bashrc> lots of folks seem to hate java
[10:23] <awilkins> I don't really think it's a rational hatred
[10:23] <awilkins> Like all the stuff about it performing badly...
[10:24] <shauno> my main gripe with it lately is just the error messages being insane
[10:26] <diddledan_> I've never had a problem with java as a technology, only the programs written using it all looking ugly
[10:26] <diddledan_> client programs**
[10:32] <shauno> I just hate getting error messages like http://pastebin.com/eZr1ztYP
[10:33] <diddledan_>  shauno fun
[10:34] <shauno> I have problems trying to convince others to go log-diving when troubleshooting, when even a simple UnkownHostException is 20+ lines long
[10:35] <awilkins> Hmm... maybe it's best to just have easy means of posting these things
[10:36] <awilkins> THe long stack traces are actually useful, in th emain
[10:36] <shauno> they're useful .. for someone else.  that's the problem
[10:36] <awilkins> That's a lotta spring though
[10:37] <shauno> but we get logs that are stack traces that log4j has wrapped up in xml, and the result is quite imposing
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> this is why disk space became cheap after Java use exploded
[10:40] <awilkins> What, hosted service disk space?
[10:41] <awilkins> I have nightmares about what our own ICT dept. charges us for SAN space...
[10:45]  * awilkins now has to reboot because his Trusty upgrade has finished
[10:50] <diddledan_> I'm sat watching http://www.ustream.tv/channel/iss-hdev-payload instead of working
[10:51] <bashrc> it is amazing how unproductive work can make you
[10:59] <diddledan_> http://www.projectnaptha.com/
[11:00] <diddledan_> copy text out of random images in chrome
[11:00] <shauno> that could be a total accessibility win for lolcats
[11:03] <jussi> awilkins: seems you managed to reconnect, so the upgrade was at least somewhat of a success?
[11:03] <awilkins> Yeah... going to have reinstall Eclipse I think
[11:03] <awilkins> Keeps dropping dead whenever I start it up
[11:04] <awilkins> Hmm, maybe not
[11:04] <awilkins> Might have just been the old workspace
[11:04] <awilkins> Trashed that and it stopes greying out and apporting
[11:06] <awilkins> My portable drive is 13.04, I guess I'll just back it up and reinstall
[11:10] <awilkins> Ok, this is a weird upgrade bug : where has my "u" gone..... : https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10616420/where-is-my-u.png
[11:10] <awilkins> Just in the dash
[11:10] <awilkins> Hope that doesn't last more than a reboot :-)
[11:24] <MooDoo> howdy all
[11:24] <diddledan_> Moo
[11:24] <brobostigon> afternoodlings MooDoo
[11:25] <MooDoo> :)
[11:26] <brobostigon> :)
[11:28] <ujjain2> How can the govenrment find out if you watch tv at your home?
[11:29] <ujjain2> you need to pay a tv entertainment license I heard
[11:29] <MooDoo> ujjain2: detector vanes
[11:29] <MooDoo> vans
[11:29] <diddledan_> MooDoo they don't use vans no more
[11:29] <MooDoo> diddledan_: ok bloke with a meter then lol
[11:29] <diddledan_> ujjain2, if you don't have a license they'll visit occasionally to verify
[11:30] <MooDoo> it's not worth not having one, you even need one for a computer that has the ability to receive a tv signal
[11:30] <MooDoo> even though it's not a tv
[11:31] <ujjain2> There are no TV detector vans. It was originally a PR stunt to frighten people into thinking they could be detected and then pursued for not having a TV licence.
[11:31] <MooDoo> well even if there isn't, no point in trying to dodge it, you'll get caught eventually
[11:32] <ujjain2> but how, is what i wonder.
[11:32] <MooDoo> they have a way....i guarentee it
[11:32] <ujjain2> I know they have,
[11:32] <ujjain2> but which way, I don't even watch TV, but I wonder.
[11:32] <MooDoo> no idea.....
[11:33] <diddledan_> ujjain2, if you don't have a license they'll visit occasionally to verify
[11:33] <ujjain2> ah ok, but I can just disconnect the tv
[11:33] <ujjain2> before I let them in
[11:34] <diddledan_> they're smarter than that, they'll see the telly and assume you've been watching unlicensed
[11:34] <MooDoo> no that won't work, you have the tv in your place, you still need one even if you don't watch it
[11:35] <ujjain2> I have a TV in my room, I don't watch TV on it, sometimes a movie with a girl.
[11:35] <ujjain2> I'd be screwed then.
[11:35] <MooDoo> you still need a license :D
[11:38] <shauno> just get rid of the TV.  if you don't watch it, and don't want to licence it, it's just a liability
[11:47]  * penguin42 notes that the latter outcome is perhaps the intent
[11:48] <shauno> plot twist .. the girl is an undercover (tv) inspector!
[11:49] <diplo> You don't need a TV license, they don't have rights to come on your property as far as I know
[11:49] <diplo> They need proof that you use it and don't pay, either by someone telling them or not paying
[11:50] <diplo> But even if you have an inspector they don't have the right to enter your property
[11:50] <diplo> Well that used to be the case anyway
[11:52] <Myrtti_> I wish UK would move to a TV tax like Finland has
[11:52] <diplo> As of 2012 it was still the case, they need a court order/warrant
[11:53] <diplo> ujjain2, https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/cs/no-licence-needed/index.app
[11:56] <popey> ujjain2: if you don't watch live TV, either on the TV itself or streamed, you do not need a TV licence.
[11:56] <Myrtti_> atleast in Finland if you had a device that could receive TV signal and display it, you needed a licence irregardless of if it was hooked into an antenna or not. Only if you removed or disabled the tuner you could be exempt while owning a tv.
[11:56] <popey> ujjain2: they can't enter your house.
[11:57] <popey> ujjain2: the downside is if they know you have a TV they will keep sending you threatening letters and turning up at your door to annoy you
[11:57] <popey> ujjain2: you can basically tell them to go away though.
[11:57] <diplo> I've read someone took the company Capita? to court for harassment at one point to stop that
[11:57] <popey> yeah
[11:58] <popey> many people are very anti-TV licence
[11:58] <jussi> Finland just charges everyone now...
[11:58] <popey> including Azelphur
[11:58] <diplo> Ridiculous in one way I suppose, my ex took the TV license that I paid for as it was in her name
[11:58] <diplo> So I had to pay a whole year again
[11:58] <diplo> It's not done on the premises
[11:58] <shauno> they're trying to do that here - make the TV license mandatory across the board, whether you own a TV or not
[11:59] <shauno> iirc it is for the premises, but if it's in your name you can transfer it with you when you move
[11:59] <Myrtti_> jussi: unless what you'd have to pay is less than 50€
[12:00] <diplo> I tried argueing the point that I had paid out of my account for the last year, but I was failing to win
[12:00] <diplo> And couldn't be bothered after a certain while
[12:01] <diplo> Which I expect they were aiming for
[12:13] <andylock1an> got to the end of the line with me running my own VPS
[12:13] <andylock1an> :(
[12:14] <andylock1an> not fot the time to maintain it any more .
[12:14] <popey> what is there to maintain?
[12:23] <diddledan_> my server has been running happily for several months without being touched
[12:30] <diddledan_> I want to get it upgraded to 14.04 but do-release-upgrade doesn't recognise the path yet (I'm assuming until june?)
[12:31] <jpds> diddledan_: do-release-upgrade -d
[12:31] <jpds> It's not enabled until .1.
[13:57] <SuperEngineer> anyone know of a way to configure xchat on Ubuntu so that it does not keep putting up all those "x is now known as y" messages?
[14:19]  * awilkins doesn't know
[14:20] <SuperEngineer> lol
[14:22] <SuperEngineer> bashrc is now know known as that-is-bad-grammar
[14:27] <shauno> SuperEngineer: http://ocaoimh.ie/2012/10/10/hide-the-annoying-bits-in-xchat/  ?
[14:27] <SuperEngineer> hmm... just checked - no "is_now_known_as" handle in use - must.. stop... evil.... thoughts. must.. stop... now
[14:28]  * SuperEngineer moves keyboard further away.   must.... stop,,,, arrrrrgh!
[14:49] <diddledan_> SuperEngineer: what about "the_artist_formally_known_as_the_artist_formally_known_as_prince"?
[14:49] <diddledan_> nicklen!
[14:49] <diddledan_> grr
[14:49] <diddledan_> silly freenode prolly won't allow it for being too long >.<
[14:55] <awilkins|crisps> Yeah, mine was meant to be the-guy-who-doesnt-know
[15:03] <diddledan_> crisps?!
[15:03]  * diddledan_ stomps his feet
[15:03] <diddledan_> no share?
[15:04] <diddledan_> :-p
[15:04] <awilkins> Ooops
[15:04] <awilkins> They were cheese & bacon ones, if you want to imagine how nice they were
[15:04] <diddledan_> grr
[15:41] <shauno> I used to love prawn cocktail
[15:41] <shauno> so much so that I'd shame anyone else for eating them "because they're pink", just so they were all left for me
[15:50] <diddledan_> shauno, I love them too
[15:51] <diddledan_> I also really like frazzles and chipsticks
[15:59] <daftykins> shauno: :D marie rose sauce is a sauce of the gods
[16:17] <awilkins> I really fancied a prawn and rocket salad with a yoghurt, lemon and black pepper sauce earlier in the week
[16:17] <awilkins> Tesco had run out of rocket. And prawns without a stupid marinade.
[16:17] <daftykins> :(
[16:18] <shauno> last time I went to tesco they were clean out of almonds.  any variety at all.  was kinda strange
[16:19] <awilkins> I think they too are suffering from austerity.. of stock levels
[16:19] <awilkins> Trying to cut down on perishable waste by just not having any...
[16:19] <awilkins> Although almonds don't seem very perishable
[16:22] <shauno> heh, austerity .. aren't they responsible for a surprising amount of the UK's cash turnover?
[16:23] <awilkins> One pound in 7 is spent in Tesco was the last stat I heard
[16:25] <shauno> sounds familiar.  nuts I tell ya
[16:26] <diddledan_> I wonder what the other supermarkets go at
[16:28] <diddledan_> tis prolly partly 'cos tesco does so much other chav-loved items like huge, but impossibly cheap TVs
[16:28] <diddledan_> 56inch at 300£ kinda stupid prices
[16:29] <shauno> 56"?!  that's not a TV, that's a solarium
[16:29] <diddledan_> (caveat, invented stat)
[16:31] <diddledan_> first out the box illustrates my point, however: http://www.tesco.com/direct/e-motion-50209g-50-inch-full-hd-1080p-led-tv-with-freeview/603-5651.prd?pageLevel=&skuId=603-5651
[16:32] <shauno> I still can't use their delivery thing because they say my house doesn't exist
[16:32] <shauno> my last house didn't exist either.  I'm starting to think they just don't like me
[16:33] <diddledan_> you could get it delivered to work and then put it on your back for the journey home
[16:33] <diddledan_> or.. does work exist?
[16:33] <shauno> that'd be more annoying than just going to tesco.  at least I can get a bus from there
[16:35] <shauno> that's a good question actually.  since we don't have a building number, we might not
[16:36] <shauno> work's weird though.  I still have to call it "the digital building" for taxi drivers, even though most of them didn't live in the country when DEC still owned it
[16:36] <diddledan_> lol
[16:39] <daftykins> i'm so disappointed in Microsoft that they patched that IE zero day on XP =|
[16:39] <daftykins> *after* its' announced death date no less
[16:40] <diddledan_> I think it was a case of "omg this is REALLY serious"
[16:40] <diddledan_> it's along the lines of the heartbleed for IE
[16:49] <daftykins> yarr
[16:49] <daftykins> would've been nice to help see the back of it though
[16:50] <daftykins> but i suppose what it really is is they fixed it for paying support extension customers and decided to release it into the public domain, to prevent a fiasco in future if it were uncovered
[16:50] <shauno> yeah.  leaving that one would have been a nice big talking point.  THIS is why you need to move off XP.  not hypotheticals
[16:50] <diddledan_> yeah
[16:51] <diddledan_> it'ld be nice to say "look at all these holes you've got"
[16:52] <shauno> well, "this hole that's in the news" vs "the other holes that probably exist"
[16:52] <shauno> instead of trying to convince them that one day their belt may come lose, you can point out that their pants are around their ankles *now*
[17:12] <mapp> evening
[17:15] <daftykins> what-o sir
[17:17] <daftykins> hrmm i still haven't committed to a decision about my storage
[17:17] <daftykins> this 2TB WD Red is just sat here on the desk doing nothing
[17:24] <ali1234> shauno: now we know how many holes it takes to fill the albert hall?
[17:44] <daftykins> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Icy-Box-IB-545SSK-5-Bay-Channel/dp/B006BQYSFA
[17:44] <daftykins> hmm this looks nice
[17:50] <popey> see the reviews?
[17:51] <daftykins> hmm
[17:51] <ali1234> it's icy box
[17:51] <ali1234> it's going to have rubbish fans
[17:51] <popey> yeah
[17:51] <ali1234> really, just throw away the ones it comes with and buy proper ones
[17:51] <daftykins> i've had a fair few of the 555SSK's in other setups actually that do great
[17:51] <daftykins> not encountered any fan issues
[17:52] <daftykins> they refer to SATA 3Gbps but really that shouldn't have anything to do with the enclosure
[17:53] <daftykins> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Icy-Box-IB-555SSK-Channel-Backplane/dp/B002BLZ8TO/
[17:54] <diddledan_> I've noticed a proliferation of the name "startech" on a lot of listings for io cards
[17:54] <penguin42> daftykins: It depends if they did the board/connector design well enough to manage 6Gbps
[17:54] <daftykins> indeed
[17:54] <diddledan_> things like tv cards specifically I've seen
[17:54] <penguin42> diddledan_: startech do a lot of io cards/adapters
[17:54] <penguin42> diddledan_: Quite a range of fairly random convertery type things, IP KVMs, leads, all random stuff like that
[17:55] <diddledan_> yeah
[17:55] <shauno> I think they made my mini-rack
[17:55] <penguin42> it's normally pretty well made, not necessarily that cheap but they normally have some way of connecting one random thing to one other random thing via some other thing
[18:04] <diddledan_> ooh: https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/doctor-who-star-matt-smith-joins-terminator-5-cast-161836084.html
[18:04] <diddledan_> sounds tasty
[18:09] <DGJones> czajkowski: One for you I think http://3milliondogs.com/rescue/24-pugs-who-were-saved-and-ready-for-adoption
[18:11] <daftykins> ok i caved in... 5 x 2TB ordered
[18:12] <daftykins> that means i'm gonna go from 5TB -> 10TB *and* cut down on power consumption yet again
[18:12] <diddledan_> daftykins, you know it makes sense
[18:12] <daftykins> i do sir, i do
[18:12] <daftykins> mainly given the age of these suckers though - and being out of warranty
[18:12] <daftykins> 6 years is a loooong time
[18:16] <daftykins> http://www.ebuyer.com/474845-wd-care-express-1-extra-year-warranty-1-day-rma-wdcexp0010-e
[18:16] <daftykins> oooh hey
[18:17] <shauno> amazon's a little strange sometimes.  "Want it Thursday, 8 May? Order it within 91 hrs 42 mins and choose Two-Day Delivery at checkout."
[18:27] <penguin42> haha yeh that's weird
[18:28] <daftykins> £20 off ebuyer for 5 x WD care extended
[18:29] <daftykins> can't really sniff at that
[18:42]  * bashrc sniffs
[18:42] <daftykins> d'aww what's up bashrc ?
[18:42] <bashrc> just sniffing at it
[18:43] <bashrc> the pump.io plaintextpocalypse has been averted btw
[18:44] <ali1234> the what?
[18:44] <bashrc> the plaintextpocalypse
[18:44] <bashrc> passwords.  in plain text.  in the server logs
[18:45] <ali1234> "pump.io is designed to be a standalone server" and it's written in node. why am i not surprised that it leaks passwords...
[18:46] <bashrc> don't worry, the bug only took 10 months to fix
[18:46] <ali1234> lol
[18:46] <daftykins> rapid turnaround!
[18:46] <bashrc> trouble is that pump.io has a very low bus factor
[18:46] <ali1234> javascript man... should never have been allowed outside the browser
[18:46] <MooDoo> evening all
[19:03] <mapp> evening
[19:03] <mapp> going pub @ 10..gotta make sure i dont mug it...cant be at the casino at 6am
[19:04] <daftykins> XD
[19:04] <daftykins> yes, BAD maps
[19:04] <mapp> ive got form for this stupid behaviour
[19:04] <daftykins> no moar gambling for you! there's a server to build!
[19:04] <mapp> few beers..hmm better go out
[19:04] <mapp> few more hmm casino..few more few more
[19:04] <mapp> ive gotta be up at 10;30 am too!
[19:04] <daftykins> D: !
[19:04] <robotninja> Mmmm beer would be nice. Alas, none in the house.
[19:05] <daftykins> i have some but don't find the desire when home alone
[19:05] <mapp> i do/did
[19:05] <mapp> my old routine would be
[19:05] <daftykins> though that may also have something to do with it being cheap carlsberg export :D
[19:05] <mapp> finish work 5am..go to genting casino have a few..head down to grosvenor casino till 6am
[19:05] <mapp> then head to tesco for some home beers
[19:06] <mapp> 3/4 times a week heh
[20:36] <shauno> I've got into the strange habit of having one.  just one.  10-years-ago shaun would be so confused