[00:23] <netritious> wrst: yep it was good
[00:23] <wrst> pizza is hard not to be good
[00:32] <netritious> also had some home made wings...also baked. first try at buffalo. fam seems happy :)
[00:34] <netritious> alrighty...I'm out. bbl
[00:36] <cyberanger> Wonder if that'd be anchor bar recipe or Duff's recipe
[00:36]  * cyberanger clearly spent too much time in Buffalo
[17:46] <wrst> Howdy netritious
[17:55] <netritious> howdy wrst
[17:55] <wrst> Happy friday
[17:55] <netritious> TGIF! :)
[17:56]  * wrst wonders what type of agricultural activities Omnifrog  is up to
[17:56] <wrst> That's for sure netritious
[17:58] <wrst> what have you been up to? any more interesting stuff?
[18:27] <netritious> wrst: yesterday decided to write a bash script for starting/stopping/pausing my containers.
[18:28] <wrst> that sounds fairly invovled, I prefer things that have a big stop and play buton to push :)
[18:29] <netritious> nah it was easy...simple if[];then statements and one case statement.
[18:30] <wrst> ok if/then I get from excel :)
[18:31] <netritious> now instead of: lxc-start -o /var/lib/lxc/www/log -l DEBUG -d -c /var/lib/lxc/www/console -n www
[18:31] <netritious> lxcadm start www
[18:33] <Unit193> Nice.
[18:34] <netritious> thanks Unit193
[18:39] <netritious> here's the code: http://tny.cz/1040ce30
[18:41] <netritious> so what have you been up to wrst?
[18:42] <wrst> debating if to put cyanogenmod or some other less popular ROM on my phone
[18:43] <netritious> and your arguments for/against cyanogenmod?
[18:45] <netritious> Unit193: I intend to add backup and snapshot of directory backed containers to that when time allows
[18:46] <netritious> oh and clone of course just to be thorough
[18:46] <Unit193> netritious: I've considered trying out lxc for a bit now, but never got to it, not sure I had a reason to be honest.
[18:46] <wrst> well I'm on stock 4.4.2 on my nexus 5 using xposed, and its solid, I really prefer CM because they have busybox ssh etc all in the build but wifi wasn't stable last time I tried it
[18:47] <wrst> and I've never had a current nexus device so I'm not for sure what to do :)
[18:48] <netritious> decisions, decisions wrst :)
[18:48] <wrst> ha ha yes I may slap CM on there and make a nandroid of stock yet again
[18:48] <netritious> make a backup, try not to brick it, and have fun
[18:48] <wrst> nexus phones are pretty hard to brick
[18:48] <netritious> we were thinking along the same lines heh
[18:49] <wrst> I don't think its impossible but I think you would have to try to brick
[18:49] <netritious> roger.
[18:50] <netritious> I've yet to brick anything yet.
[18:50] <wrst> glad they made one that has gsm and cdma being equal citizens
[18:50]  * netritious looks for the nearest peice of wood to knock on
[18:50] <wrst> only thing I have absolutely bricked was a router, and it wasn't worth messing with a jtag cable to fix
[18:52] <netritious> Unit193: I like containers for a lot of resons, but mainly because it's soooo much simpler and lightweight than say KVM, Xen, or VMware.
[18:52] <netritious> *reasons
[18:53] <netritious> wrst: I thought I bricked a linxyx WRT45G(?) think that's it...the first time I flashed dd-wrt.
[18:53] <netritious> spoiler...it wasn't actually bricked lol
[18:54] <netritious> argh can't type today... *Linksys
[18:54] <wrst> ha ha yeah those were some good routers
[18:55] <wrst> just put dd-wrt on my router, it has good specs but the software was terrible, dd-wrt made it much better but I'm still thinking pfsense
[18:56] <netritious> i would switch from dd-wrt to tomato if it's supported. way more features and it's like Linux on a router, not dd-wrt on a router...hope that made sense lol.
[18:56] <netritious> and if you want some HTML5 goodness, try advanced tomato
[18:57] <netritious> and I say 'tomato' I mean 'Tomato by Shibby'
[18:58] <netritious> *and when I say
[18:58] <netritious> wrst: what router do you have?
[19:06] <Unit193> Tomato on the router, rockbox on the mp3 player, linux on the computer. :D
[19:11] <wrst> its a wndr3700 v4
[19:11] <wrst> hmm and I don't know what brand :)
[19:11] <wrst> netgear?
[19:11] <wrst> and yes netritious I like some HTML5 goodness
[19:12] <wrst> netritious: I have in the past used the tool on dd-wrt to get a fully working shell and install stuff etc
[19:12] <wrst> but it was a bit of a pain
[19:13] <wrst> and the router didn't have enough to drive all of that I was messing with
[19:19] <wrst> ok Unit193, netritious, I used to the dd-wrt hold my hand experience. I'm guessing that's not the case with tomato?
[19:22] <wrst> *I am used to the hand holding of dd-wrt... totally nonsensical thing I typed previously
[19:26] <netritious> actually wrst no it doesn't require anything special already running dd-wrt
[19:27] <wrst> ok my router has an aetheros is this broadcom only?
[19:55] <netritious> wrst: I'm not entirely sure, but I did read one page of comments on the tomato wiki that states just that -- atheros=no go for tomato
[19:56] <wrst> yeah that's a bit of a problem didn't check the chip out before I bought it but dd-wrt is working well
[19:56] <wrst> and hey I have a raspberry pi to do linux stuff in a low powered setting
[20:22] <netritious> dd-wrt is fine wrst...it works.
[20:23] <netritious> I have a netgear also...I think it's a WNDR3400v2? something like that.
[20:24] <netritious> also 2x RT-N16 and a few different cheapo TP-Link models
[20:27] <netritious> The netgear has stock firmware, and the TP-Links have various -wrt's installed. they all sit in a box on the shelf
[20:27] <netritious> I run 'Tomato by Shibby' on a couple of RT-N16's
[20:29] <Unit193> Mmm, yeah.  Shibby mods, never tried it actually, but feature list is nice and good to know my routers will be fine with IPv6.  (Well, except that dd-wrt micro...)
[20:31] <netritious> what do you run Unit193?
[20:32] <Unit193> Tomato, but that's because it's been on there for a while.
[20:32] <wrst> oh yeah dd-wrt is so much better than stock
[20:32] <cyberanger> I've been using debian mostly, but pfsense gets rotated into use from time to time
[20:32] <netritious> if you can live with 2.4GHz and 300Mbps: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833320158
[20:33] <netritious> whoops 150Mbps
[20:35] <wrst> the N5 has a AC wifi chip... wish I had internet that could need that speed :)
[20:36] <netritious> cyberanger: I use pfsense on the perimeter
[20:41] <cyberanger> it's a nice setup isn't netritious
[20:41] <cyberanger> wrst: yeah, ebp has a flaw along those lines too, no server pushes out a gig a second
[20:42] <cyberanger> at least not to one client, even at 3am
[20:42] <netritious> yep cyberanger I like it. Still running 2.0.3-RELEASE but glad since openssl was old enough not be susceptible to heartbleed
[20:43] <cyberanger> yeah, heartbleed ruined a week here at least
[20:44] <netritious> stupid openssl. heard there is a new libressl project but not sure what the point of that is
[20:45] <netritious> why not just put the hours into openssl to make it better? but then again, what do I know heh
[20:45] <cyberanger> cleaner code, and openbsd just thinks if they devote the time, it'll still see a bad decision slip back in
[20:49] <netritious> well hope it works out for the rest of us normal people whatever unfolds.
[20:50] <netritious> wrst: I finally got some things done on my (soon to be) very cool computer closet project.
[20:50] <cyberanger> yeah, I think it has, linux foundation got facebook and google (and some others) to help pay the bills and support the code
[20:51] <netritious> cyberanger: read about that. wasn't to surprised to see that happen.
[20:52] <cyberanger> long overdue really
[20:52] <netritious> i was surprised last year when someone came up with enough to help keep openbsd afloat.
[20:52] <netritious> maybe I shouldn't have been, but I kind of was lol
[20:55] <wrst> I really don't understand why more webservers aren't running bsd of some sort
[20:56] <netritious> wrst: I've mentally boxed it in as a dependable edge os, mainly because of it's tight security out of the box
[20:57] <wrst> and it works well as a device OS like my freenas box, its really more of a device in the way I use it than a server, even though it is a file server
[20:59] <netritious> exactly.
[21:03] <netritious> Personally I like Linux for devices....any device. Windows 7 and/or Linux for desktop. (I use both everyday.) BSD for edge networking.
[21:04] <wrst> I much prefer linux but I guess that is somewhat due to familiarity
[21:04] <netritious> BSD=pfSense, which is not exactly BSD.
[21:05] <wrst> no but at its core it is, bsd isn't freenas either but freenas is bsd
[21:06] <wrst> I do like the network security aspect of it and why pfsense is so tempting for me
[21:12] <netritious> wrst: no I mean pfSense is /really/ not exactly like BSD. It uses BSD, but pfSense is almost entirely written in PHP.
[21:13] <netritious>  After the intial boot phase (loading drivers, mounting filesystems, etc) control is handed off to PHP in the form of init scripts (written in PHP).
[21:15] <cyberanger> I tend to favor Debian more and more
[21:16] <cyberanger> Centos seems to be improve ing
[21:16] <netritious> the pfsense team manages their own packages, with a community of contributors, although sometimes with some work you can install packages directly from freebsd repositories.
[21:17] <netritious> cyberanger: Debian is awesome. Just look at Ubuntu. :D
[21:20] <Unit193> :D
[21:21] <netritious> I tried CentOS about five years ago...at the time it was sluggish compared to ubuntu on the same hardware, and debian kept asking me for/about drivers. ubuntu kind of picked me, not me it.
[21:21] <wrst> Ahh netritious gotcha :)
[21:22] <cyberanger> I do, as an example of what not to install on debian
[21:22] <Unit193> wrst keeps trying to get me on Arhc. >_>
[21:22]  * wrst puts on his arch elitist cap
[21:22] <netritious> lol
[21:22] <wrst> If it has to run I use debian
[21:23]  * cyberanger grabs his tinfoil hat
[21:23]  * netritious hands wrst a snickers bar
[21:24] <cyberanger> That's what I love about virtualization
[21:24] <cyberanger> Nothing needs to run anymore
[21:24] <wrst> True cyberanger  and now with containers you can do a lot too
[21:25] <Unit193> Also, chroots can help keep your system cleaner.
[21:26] <netritious> wrst: if I try Arch it's after I complete some LFS lol
[21:26] <wrst> Ha ha
[21:26] <wrst> It will seem super easy then
[21:29] <cyberanger> Gotta break a few VM'S today
[21:29] <Unit193> Last time I thought that, they didn't break.
[21:31] <Unit193> Still somewhat thinking of https://www.cyphertite.com/why-cyphertite.php but built all the packages for it so if I decide to, I can simply apt-get it. :P
[22:08] <cyberanger> Unit193: yeah, but I know this will, adding cipher to openssl
[22:09] <Unit193> :D
[22:10] <cyberanger> http://xkcd.com/1363/
[22:11] <cyberanger> Unit193: adding some new Russian ones
[22:14] <cyberanger> (Because pissing off the Kremlin with their own software is SO me)
[22:15] <Unit193> Hah.
[22:19] <cyberanger> I would try that with the NSA but snowden did too good a job
[22:45] <cyberanger> well, that is to say, making the NSA any more paranoid will be hard (and if I can, I will ;-))