[00:06] <mrchristopher> hi.  i have a slightly offtopic question...  i am getting my grandmother a used computer, and price is a big deal...  i am looking at these, and was wondering if I could get some input...   http://www.innovatepc.com/categories/Computers/?sort=pricedesc&page=2
[02:21] <p1ro> hi, how i do restore my bottom bar ?
[02:22] <holstein> p1ro: many ways.. you can just put it back.. or, you can remove the config file for it, and relog or reboot or reload
[02:22] <holstein> http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=94 for example
[02:23] <p1ro> holstein, thanks for answer, i did mess it up did remove something and now all the programs just list even under clock
[02:23] <p1ro> ok ill check
[02:23] <holstein> p1ro: you can always experiement with the guest account, or a live CD. so you dont break anything in your installed user
[02:24] <p1ro> holstein, well i get what you mean, but i was not experimenting was a missclick and everything messed lol
[02:24] <p1ro> ill try removing the config and restarting
[03:18] <alku> Hi everyone, upgraded to lubuntu 14.04, however network settings does not have 'connections' tab. it is listing 3 tabs only i.e. 'general', 'dns' and 'hosts'. Can anybody help
[03:19] <holstein> alku: what are you trying to do?
[03:20] <alku> trying to see available connections as it was very easy with my older version 13.10
[03:20] <holstein> alku: is the nm-applet running? if not, open a terminal and start it
[03:20] <holstein> nm-applet &
[03:20] <holstein> then, see if you see connections
[03:22] <alku> holstein: run nm-applet but there is no graphical sign of connectivity. I somehow managed to connect through my cell phone however the network-admin dialogue does not show any activity
[03:23] <alku> holstein: when i plug in my usb modem or when i switch on wi-fi, i can't see available networks as i used to before
[03:23] <holstein> alku: is the nm-applet running? or no?
[03:23] <holstein> !wifi
[03:23] <holstein> i would just see if my wifi is there at all.. or needs a module
[03:24] <alku> holstein: when i run nm-applet, nothing happens
[03:25] <alku> ubottu: thanks, the wifi drivers are installed and working, but there is no display of available wifi networks
[03:25] <holstein> alku: do you have a network applet in the tray?
[03:26] <holstein> alku: why are you saying the drivers are installed and working? if you have no connection?
[03:26] <holstein> alku: the bot link i triggered ubottu to give you lists the troubleshooting specfics im suggesting you do
[03:26] <alku> holstein: yes there is, it opens up connection properties with eth0 and lo connections
[03:26] <holstein> alku: lspci is showing the device or no.. ifconfig is showing the device or no. etc
[03:27] <holstein> alku: thats what i would expect to see if i didnt have the proper wifi drivers installed
[03:27] <holstein> !paste
[03:27] <holstein> alku: you can pastebin "lspci" and "ifconfig" if you like
[03:29] <alku> holstein: please find result of lsusb and ifconfig on http://paste.ubuntu.com/7384160/
[03:30] <alku> holstein: you can see my huewei modem listed, but i can not find a way to connect to it
[03:30] <holstein> alku: if it were me, i would remove what im not using, and reboot.. wire up and make sure i have all updates availalbe
[03:31] <holstein> so, via wired internet.. "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[03:31] <holstein> if you say "i dont have wired".. then, just do it here, now
[03:31] <holstein> then, i reboot, having removed "extra" NIC's, and concentrate on the one you want to use.. referencing
[03:31] <holstein> !wifi
[03:32] <holstein> you have wlan0 listed in your list, which makes me thing you are just not using the nm-applet
[03:34] <alku> holstein: already performed sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade yesterday, could not fix. I guess there are some broken packages
[03:35] <alku> holstein: nm-applet does not give any output, nor any error message
[03:35] <holstein> alku: do it again, *now* to make sure, as i suggested, that you have *all* available upgrades
[03:36] <holstein> alku: if you have broken packages, you will get an error about that when running the command i asked you to run.. you can share that error in a pastebin
[03:36] <alku> holstein: its done one more time, can you tell me how to remove 'extra NICs'?
[03:36] <holstein> alku: please run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[03:36] <holstein> alku: i suggest taking them out of the machine
[03:37] <holstein> alku: unplug, phisically, whatever you are not using
[03:37] <holstein> any USB devices.. easily removable devices you are not using, that are not related to this issue
[03:37] <alku> holstein: i have run 'sudo apt-get update' successfully. query 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' gives out finished with 0 upgraded and successful query result
[03:38] <holstein> alku: ok.. so you do *not* have broken packages then, according to the package manager. and you are up to date.
[03:38] <holstein> alku: please move on then
[03:39] <holstein> alku: reboot, remove all extra devices, and refer to..
[03:39] <holstein> !wifi
[03:39] <alku> holstein: i will reboot and come back, thanks
[03:44] <alku> holstein: when i run nm-applet it gives a pop-up 'wireless networks available'. However i want to be able to see all available networks (wifi, usb etc) in the network manager graphically
[03:44] <holstein> alku: sure.. are they not in the list, friend?
[03:45] <holstein> alku: there will need to actually be some, for a list to populate
[03:46] <alku> holstein: i am not a good linux user, is there anything i am missing here? i run network-admin and it does not list the 'connections' tab. that's all i understand
[03:47] <holstein> alku: dont run network-admin
[03:47]  * ianorlin tried searching that card and it appears it for connecting to a cell network I don't think that shows up in wifi
[03:48] <holstein> alku: click on the little icon in the tray by the time
[03:48] <holstein> alku: see the wireless access points
[03:49] <alku> holstein: it gives out a pop-up 'connection properties' with tabs 'general' and 'support' with connections 'usb0' and 'lo' only
[03:50] <holstein> alku: i know not what to tell you, friend
[03:50] <holstein> alku: you need to make sure you have driver support.. you say you do, but i dont see anything indicating you have confirmed that
[03:50] <holstein> !wifi
[03:50] <holstein> ^ will help you confirm that
[03:51] <alku> holstein: sorry for too much trouble. thanks anyway
[03:51] <holstein> alku: then, i just see them in the list.. i dont go in the menu.. i dont run any "network admin" i just click on them
[03:51] <holstein> alku: you can try a 14.04 live CD to rmove your installation from the equation.. but, im sure its just a fiddly firmware, or an easy config setting
[03:51] <holstein> alku: the USB0 is not the wifi?
[03:52] <holstein> alku: what is usb0? and what not remove that? at least temporarily?
[03:52] <alku> holstein: usb0 is the connection through my cell phone
[03:52] <holstein> alku: then, disconnect that, and reboot with that *not* connected..
[03:53] <alku> holstein: is there anyway i can connect my huewei modem, there is no graphical interface. any other way to connect. when i connect the dongle it does not list in the panel
[03:53] <holstein> alku: remove *all* extra things from the machine, just to troubleshooti
[03:53] <alku> i have removed everything except my cell phone to connect to webchat
[03:53] <holstein> alku: it should.. and im trying to explain to you why i think its not showing up there
[03:54] <holstein> alku: sure.. and you should remove it, as well, and test..
[03:54] <holstein> alku: im proposing, the reason you dont see it there, is that you dont have driver support for the device
[03:54] <holstein> alku: there is no secret button..
[03:57] <alku> holstein: i will try to reboot with everything unplugged. meanwhile i have issue with 'chromium-browser' as well. my keyboard stops working on chromium all of a sudden, all other applications accept keyboard although
[03:57] <alku> holstein: for this reason i am temporarily using 'midori' browser
[03:58] <holstein> alku: not sure why.. could be related.. could have bad hardware causing all these issues, or misconfiguration
[03:58] <holstein> i like to test with live CD's
[03:58] <alku> holstein: thanks, i will try with live CD.
[05:05] <ianorlin> oh holstein if someone has a problem with chromium browser not taking keyboard they need to quit ibus is the work around if someone else uses it
[08:38] <FakeBoost> Hello, is the network connections app the same as the network manager??? Because i try to share internet connection with another machine and all over the internet says: open your network manager, but i can't find it.
[08:54] <FakeBoost> How can I share the internet connection via ethernet cable? What's the configuration?
[09:11] <Mr_Comet> share?
[09:14] <FakeBoost> Yes.
[09:14] <FakeBoost> Share the internet, how do i configure it?
[09:14] <FakeBoost> Mr_Comet?
[09:15] <Ascavasaion> Okay, loaded a bundle under "Volume", says I have data when I check balances with *141#  Plugged modem in, right clicked the networking icon and chose Edit Connections.  Chose Mobile Broadband, Add, Chose defaults or MTN specific options, changed no fields and saved the connection.  When I right click the network connections MTN connection does not appear as an option.  It is detected with lsusb.  MTN = my Mobile service provid
[09:15] <Ascavasaion> er.
[09:24] <Mr_Comet> mobile service network needs settings.
[09:24] <Mr_Comet> thats the norm.
[09:25] <Mr_Comet> i dont think its under broadband. but then im not used to usb modems.
[09:25] <Mr_Comet> make sure access point is not forgotten
[09:40] <Ascavasaion> any idea why my Huawei broadband modem will not show up on network manager?  It is on lsusb.  thank you.
[09:51] <comics_idees> if you use dual monitor I suggest you to use  disper, together with disper-indicator, it is good for dual monitor
[09:51] <Ascavasaion> I presume that is not for me hehehe
[09:52] <comics_idees> however disper-indicator cannot be found in ppa repositories so you must download it manually
[09:52] <comics_idees> I lost two days to set disper but now it is ok
[10:14] <chulis> h
[10:15] <Ascavasaion> i
[10:22] <Ascavasaion> any idea why my Huawei broadband modem will not show up on network manager?  It is on lsusb.  thank you.
[10:25] <comics_idees> You try to connect in wireless network?
[10:26] <Ascavasaion> comics_idees: No... broadband
[10:27] <comics_idees> In wireless network before you connect to a modem you must give your lubuntu user login name and password in a first window, and in a next window you must give the ssd and password. But I do not now about broadband
[10:28] <Ascavasaion> comics_idees: Thank you anyway :)
[10:28] <comics_idees> I tried to connect  to wireless and I did a mistake
[10:28] <Ascavasaion> Cannot believe that this is so difficult.
[10:29] <comics_idees> in the first window I was giving ssid and password but I should give lubuntu user login and password, and wait for a next window
[10:29] <comics_idees> maybe it is the same in broadband
[10:30] <comics_idees> my mistake was that I was typing ssid and password instead of lubuntu user name and password
[10:31] <comics_idees> maybe the same is for broadband
[10:31] <comics_idees> I do not know
[10:32] <comics_idees> just try this if there is such a window
[10:33] <comics_idees> i hope I made it clear I tried to explain
[10:35] <Ascavasaion> No, but thank you.
[10:36] <comics_idees> dont you have a window asking login and password?
[10:36] <comics_idees> before you connect?
[10:39] <Ascavasaion> Nope.
[10:39] <Mr_Comet> im confused.
[10:39] <comics_idees> hm so what do you see
[10:39] <Mr_Comet> broadband modems usually have their ip 192.168.1.1
[10:39] <Mr_Comet> or something like that
[10:39] <comics_idees> yes my modem has this
[10:39] <Mr_Comet> then login to that modem and setup settings.
[10:40] <comics_idees> yes from browser you can
[10:40] <Mr_Comet> once log-in details and settings are finished. reboot it.
[10:40] <Mr_Comet> if all the lights come on. its connected.
[10:40] <Ascavasaion> No, there is something else wrong... seems Modem is being linked to CDROm or something.
[10:41] <comics_idees> hm
[10:41] <Mr_Comet> Ascavasaion-  is your modem usb or Ethernet type?
[10:41] <Ascavasaion> USB
[10:41] <Mr_Comet> no wonder.
[10:41] <Ascavasaion> Mr_Comet: Broadband modem.
[10:41] <Mr_Comet> i can see.
[10:41] <Ascavasaion> with Mobile SIM in it.
[10:41] <comics_idees> hm it is difficult I do not use mobile sim
[10:42] <Mr_Comet> comics_idees-  Ascavasaion is using usb type modem with sim card type.
[10:42] <Mr_Comet> Ascavasaion-  better call your mobile service and ask for login details, settings and access point words.
[10:43] <Mr_Comet> Ascavasaion-  then enter all those details and try
[10:43] <comics_idees> and doesnot appear a window asking login and password? strange
[10:44] <Mr_Comet> http://telecomtalk.info/step-by-step-guide-configuring-usb-modem-ubuntu/101849/
[10:44] <Mr_Comet> maybe that might work?
[10:44] <Mr_Comet> random google search for method of net setup for usb modem.
[10:44] <Ascavasaion> Mr_Comet: It is all filled in by default.  I have used friend's modems of similar type and they worked out of the box.
[10:44] <Mr_Comet> Ascavasaion-  out of the box on windows?
[10:45] <Mr_Comet> plug out ethernet cable. switch off wifi. connect usb broadband and reboot system.
[10:45] <Ascavasaion> Out of the box on this very machine... Linux.
[10:46] <Mr_Comet> i wish i can help you more but i NEVER used usb modems before.
[10:46] <Ascavasaion> Mr_Comet: thank you... I appreciate it.
[10:47] <Mr_Comet> according to that website link.
[10:47] <Mr_Comet> Most new Ubuntu versions detect a modem in few seconds. Only if it does not happen follow this procedure. In older Ubuntu versions I had faced the issue where my device was not recognized by Ubuntu network manager. In such situations wvdial can come to rescue. Wvdial package does not come preinstalled and will have to be installed separately (Not sure about just released Ubuntu 12.10 though
[10:47] <Ascavasaion> Mr_Comet: I appreciate you trying to help.  thank you.
[10:48] <Mr_Comet> use wvdial and hope it works manually for you
[10:48] <Mr_Comet> you're welcome
[10:48] <Ascavasaion> I used to use wvdial for my old dial-up modem... that was loooong ago hehe
[10:48] <Mr_Comet> then its time you use same for this modem too
[10:49] <Mr_Comet> if it works. problem solved then
[10:49] <Ascavasaion> I suppose... does seem cumbersome though when there is a nice user friendly network manager available.
[10:49] <Ascavasaion> *sigh*
[10:58] <Ascavasaion> Oh well, yet again Linux is proven to be inferior.
[10:58] <Ascavasaion> thank you to all who tried to help.
[11:24] <CloudsDew> Can some say why 1920x1080 won't work with Virtualbox guest additional drivers installed?
[11:39] <p1ro> hi. im trying to prevent teamviewer from starting with system, but still going
[15:52] <markveidemanis> Hello
[15:53] <markveidemanis> I did "do-release-upgrade" now It won't boot
[15:53] <markveidemanis> shows an asterix at boot
[15:53] <markveidemanis> I can do ctrl+alt+F6 to login, but the GUI is gone
[15:53] <holstein> markveidemanis: ok. then, it is booting?
[15:54] <holstein> markveidemanis: you get no graphical environment? but you *do* get boot?
[15:54] <markveidemanis> But the login screen does not show
[15:54] <holstein> markveidemanis: sure.. but it *is* booting? correct?
[15:54] <holstein> markveidemanis: you are just not getting a GUI?
[15:55] <markveidemanis> I guess the system is intact except that
[15:55] <holstein> markveidemanis: you guess?... the system is booting correct?
[15:55] <markveidemanis> Yes, all the files and services run as normal
[15:56] <holstein> markveidemanis: anyways, from what i can tell, i would do the following.. in a terminal, run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and address any errors and make sure all is well..
[15:56] <markveidemanis> Ok, running
[15:56] <holstein> then, i would see that i am indeed on 14.04. i would check "uname -a" and see that i have the kernel i expect, and lsb_release
[15:58] <markveidemanis> uname -a : Linux lubuntu 3.13.0-24-generic
[15:58] <holstein> markveidemanis: and the others completed without error?
[15:58] <markveidemanis> Yep, no errors
[16:01] <holstein> whats the output of startx ?
[16:52] <comics_idees> how to set local weather in lubuntu indicator?
[17:22] <markveidemanis> holstein, 'startx' shows me a blank screen
[17:23] <markveidemanis> There was an error in the console when terminated
[17:23] <markveidemanis> Not 'when' terminated, but only visiblke then
[17:24] <holstein> markveidemanis: any relevant information can help a volunteer provide assistance
[17:27] <alku> updated to lubuntu 14.04, however network manager is missing from the panel. nm-applet gives no result, many users facing same problem
[17:28] <holstein> when i run "nm-applet" i get an applet..
[17:28] <holstein> alku: have you tried something like wicd?
[17:29] <alku> holstein: never tried. please tell me about it
[17:33] <alku> I get following when i run nm-applet in the terminal: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-rNu4H230nQ: Connection refused
[17:34] <holstein> alku: do you have the notification area added to the panel?
[17:35] <alku> holstein: yes, on the right bottom is the icon for 'connection properties'
[17:35] <holstein> alku: that *is* the nm-applet
[17:37] <alku> holstein: there is no scroll-down bar with available networks, moreover the 'connection properties' does not list out all connections. it has tab for lo and eth only
[17:38] <alku> holstein: if i install wicd, do i need to remove any conflicting package?
[17:41] <holstein> sure, but that is not "nm-applet isnt starting"
[17:42] <holstein> alku: i dont use wicd, friend.. its just an alternative i suggested back when you said the nm-applet wasnt running for you, but, it appears that it is
[17:43] <alku> holstein: thanks for that, will see workaround for my usb device then
[17:52] <Sceptic> Hello. Who will send me link to default wallpaper in Lubuntu 14.04?
[17:53] <MichaelTunnell> is there a place online to view existing bugs like a bugzilla or maybe in launchpad?
[17:57] <krytarik> MichaelTunnell: That'd be like: https://bugs.launchpad.net/
[18:00] <cristian_c> Hi
[18:00] <cristian_c> I've purchased a Rii mini i8 bluetooth keyboard
[18:00] <cristian_c> How can i enable the keyboard in lubuntu?
[18:00] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[18:00] <cristian_c> I've paired it
[18:01] <krytarik> Sceptic: You can download it from here, for example: http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/lubuntu-artwork
[18:02] <Sceptic> krytarik, TU
[18:03] <Sceptic> I just installed LXDE over standard 14.04 and now I know that menus could appear just after click, without need of waiting.
[18:06] <MichaelTunnell> that link krytarik is not useful at all...that applies to all bugs in Ubuntu, PPAs and anything else that uses Launchpad...I wanted the specific Lubuntu section
[18:07] <krytarik> MichaelTunnell: Well, you didn't ask specific. :P
[18:07] <MichaelTunnell> I did ask specifically for Lubuntu...if I wanted all bugs related to Launchpad I would have went to #ubuntu-bugs or #launchpad
[18:08] <krytarik> "<MichaelTunnell> is there a place online to view existing bugs like a bugzilla or maybe in launchpad?"
[18:08] <krytarik> MichaelTunnell: That's all I've seen from you anyway. :)
[18:09] <Sceptic> Is it possible to download Lubuntu "look" for LXDE installed over standard 14.04?
[18:09] <MichaelTunnell> I am in #lubuntu for a reason...why would I asked about Ubuntu or any Launchpad bug in Lubuntu?
[18:09] <holstein> lubuntu *is* ubuntu
[18:09] <holstein> you can search there for whatever you like.. lubuntu related
[18:09] <MichaelTunnell> though to be fair I suppose people would ask random crap here so my mistake to assume
[18:09] <MichaelTunnell> Sceptic: yes
[18:09] <MichaelTunnell> lubuntu-desktop
[18:10] <MichaelTunnell> you can also just install lxde but lubuntu-desktop is the better option
[18:10] <MichaelTunnell> holstein: yes and no
[18:10] <MichaelTunnell> with the is ubuntu part...for example lxpanel has absolutely nothing to do with Ubuntu proper
[18:11] <holstein> MichaelTunnell: its actually just yes.. there is no seperate place for bugs.. though, you can join the specific lubuntu dev email list or whatever you like
[18:11] <holstein> lxpanel is in the default repos
[18:12] <Sceptic> MichaelTunnell, sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop ?
[18:12] <MichaelTunnell> launchpad is a mess for bug management regardless of Ubuntu or deriviatives or PPAs or anything else...Lubuntu should really have a separate place for bugs because even finding the bug page to see that it is on launchpad is a massive pain
[18:12] <MichaelTunnell> Sceptic: indeed
[18:12] <holstein> MichaelTunnell: ppa's are not officialy supported
[18:13] <MichaelTunnell> I know that holstein which is why having them managed in the same places as official pages is confusing and broken
[18:13] <holstein> though, one can file a bug on LP for anything
[18:13] <MichaelTunnell> official packages*
[18:13] <MichaelTunnell> holstein: exactly the problem
[18:13] <holstein> MichaelTunnell: they are official packages, though..
[18:14] <holstein> i mean, its a lot of activity.. and it can be a mess, but that *is* where the action is
[18:14] <MichaelTunnell> PPAs are not official packages thus being included with official packages doesn't make sense
[18:14] <MichaelTunnell> Sceptic: do NOT remove ubuntu-desktop though...just add lubuntu as well as Ubuntu depends on ubuntu-desktop for a lot of stuff unrelated to unity
[18:14] <MichaelTunnell> holstein: double edged sword I guess then
[18:15] <Sceptic> MichaelTunnell, it's an important advice ;)
[18:15] <MichaelTunnell> Sceptic: indeed :)
[18:15] <holstein> ppa packages are not included in the official packages.. im just saying, if one wants, one can start a bug stating "such and such ppa does this in lubuntu", but that is not officially supported and likely to be dismissed
[18:15] <MichaelTunnell> dont go Laporte-ing it up:)
[18:16] <holstein> this contributes to the sloppiness, but also the open-ness.. anyone can file any bug they want. and lubuntu doesnt have a seperate system
[18:16] <MichaelTunnell> holstein: they are included in launchpad...the distinction is irrelevant if they website...interface...experience is the same
[18:16] <holstein> the team is quite small, and takes advantage of upstream, as well as following guidelines
[18:16] <MichaelTunnell> but I am being nitpicky I know
[18:17] <holstein> be what you like.. nitpicky or not, LP is where bugs are filed
[18:17] <holstein> there is no lubuntu specific channel or avenue.. and, to be officially part of ubuntu, im not sure that one would be able to be facilitated
[18:17] <MichaelTunnell> but Lubuntu can still do that with separated bugs...they can see "well this is not Lubuntu specific" so they forward that bug to Ubuntu itself...slightly more work but not confusing at all to the end user...I would bet Lubuntu would get 10x more bug reports and be able to fix stuff if the bug reporting wasn't so jacked up
[18:18] <holstein> MichaelTunnell: its a small team, friend, but you are welcome to do what you like
[18:19] <MichaelTunnell> I am welcome to do what I like? I don't understand that comment...it is not like I can make a bug system for them to use or anything like that. I mean I could but they would have to use it.
[18:19] <holstein> MichaelTunnell: sure.. and im saying, "they" may not be allowed to use it..
[18:19] <MichaelTunnell> allowed...ouch
[18:19] <MichaelTunnell> gotcha
[18:19] <holstein> and maintain official ubuntu spin status
[18:19] <MichaelTunnell> well that is interesting barrier
[18:20] <MichaelTunnell> I understand
[18:20] <MichaelTunnell> well do you know what the package name is for the Language Selector Icon in lxpanel is?
[18:20] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu works well for me
[18:21] <MichaelTunnell> I tried to find it in launchpad but that is hard to find without loading up the distro and crawling through it...though I did download the ISO in case this fails
[18:21] <holstein> !info language-selector
[18:22] <holstein> MichaelTunnell: not sure.. i'll try and research more
[18:22] <holstein> !info language-selection-tool
[18:22] <MichaelTunnell> ubottu lol nice name
[18:22] <holstein> MichaelTunnell: is is the one from the default installation? you just add it to the panel in the available widgets?
[18:23] <MichaelTunnell> thanks for the assistance holstein and yes default
[18:24] <holstein> MichaelTunnell: the "keyboard layout handler" ?
[18:24] <MichaelTunnell> not sure what it is called actually but possibly
[18:24] <holstein> MichaelTunnell: look and confirm, and i'll add specifically what you are talking about and get a name if i can
[18:25] <MichaelTunnell> I am not actually in Lubuntu right now which is why I was asking in here
[18:25] <holstein> MichaelTunnell: ok... the only thing i see relating to what i think you could probably be referencing is the keyboard layout switcher
[18:26] <MichaelTunnell> that could be it for sure
[18:26] <MichaelTunnell> yea switch from English to French keyboard
[18:26] <MichaelTunnell> so yea the switch sounds right
[18:27] <MichaelTunnell> thanks
[18:34] <holstein> MichaelTunnell: i think you will find https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Keyboard#Multiple_keyboard_layouts helpful/informative
[18:35] <MichaelTunnell> nice, thanks
[18:56] <_joey> is it possible to upgrade to ubuntu or mint an easy way?
[18:56] <comics_idees> why lbuntu is quite slow on startup?
[18:56] <_joey> I am sick and tired of the bugs in this distro
[18:56] <holstein> comics_idees: its not here, but what are you referencing?
[18:56] <_joey> network manager applet is still not working
[18:57] <_joey> despite the bug has been issued on the first day of the release
[18:57] <SilverLion> holstein & comics_idees mine isn't either
[18:57] <holstein> _joey: maybe come back when you are not so furstrated. otherwise, use any mint installation CD
[18:57] <_joey> the menu on the panel jumps around the place
[18:57] <holstein> !Mint
[18:57] <comics_idees> I think that it opens slowly in boot
[18:57] <comics_idees> and I click browser and it does not open immediately
[18:57] <SilverLion> comics_idees: can't confirm that
[18:57] <_joey> holstein: instead of giving some useful tips about the issue of technical nature, you are just trolling
[18:58] <comics_idees> when I click browser after reboot, I wait before it starts
[18:58] <SilverLion> _joey: ok let's get serious. what are you expecting of us?
[18:58] <holstein> _joey: feel free and ask a support question.. if you are asking how to install mint, i gave you specifics of that technical nature
[18:58] <_joey> I did
[18:58] <holstein> _joey: i mean no harm.. and understand your furstrated
[18:58] <_joey> I didn't ask about install mint
[18:58] <_joey> I asked about upgrading from Lubuntu
[18:59] <holstein> 14:56 < _joey> is it possible to upgrade to ubuntu or mint an easy way?
[18:59] <holstein> ^
[18:59] <_joey> yes, idiot
[18:59] <_joey> that's what I asked
[18:59] <comics_idees> joey why dont you make a bootable flash or a bootable cd?
[18:59] <holstein> _joey: you ask in a mint support channel.. or just get a mint installation iso.. this is not mint support, friend
[18:59] <holstein> !volunteers | _joey
[19:00] <_joey> comics_idees: the problem is i have a lot of software installed and configured
[19:00] <holstein> _joey: i will appreciate you not referring to me, or anyone else as "idiot".. thanksyou
[19:00] <holstein> _joey: do you have any PPA's added? those can introduce instability
[19:00] <_joey> then don't be one
[19:00] <holstein> _joey: any PPA's?
[19:00] <_joey> what's PPA?
[19:00] <holstein> !ppa
[19:01] <comics_idees> I have many ppa's added
[19:01] <holstein> comics_idees: those can intoduce system wide instability, in some cases
[19:01] <_joey> I may
[19:01] <comics_idees> i have added from noobslabs
[19:01] <_joey> how do I check that out?
[19:01] <holstein> _joey: you "may" want to confirm that, since they can cause the issues you state
[19:02] <_joey> idiot, i just asked how do i check if i have them?
[19:02] <_joey> holstein: I will refer to you as one until you become reasonable
[19:02] <SilverLion> _joey: stop it right there
[19:02] <holstein> _joey: please refrain.. i am a volunteer and dont apprieciate your name-calling,, its not constructive or necessary
[19:03] <_joey> okay
[19:03] <holstein> you can always just run "sudo apt-get update" and look at the output there
[19:03] <holstein> !sources
[19:03] <comics_idees> the word idiot is greek and it is the opposite of democrat,  the democrat is considered clever and the idiot is considered not clever he looks his own business and not public
[19:04] <holstein> _joey: http://askubuntu.com/questions/4983/what-are-ppas-and-how-do-i-use-them
[19:06] <comics_idees> in greece the private sector is called idiot sector
[19:07] <comics_idees> this is the real root of this word idiot=private
[19:07] <_joey> there are not ppa's in sources.list on my system
[19:08] <_joey> it's a workaround. the problem will be fixed i upgrade to better supported system
[19:08] <holstein> i'll also load up a live CD to remove my installed OS from the equation, and try testing as the guest user, or another user.. this can test my user's configuration
[19:09] <holstein> _joey: there are linux-wide hardware support issue that can be problematic based on certain hardware..
[19:09] <_joey> it's hardware issue
[19:09] <_joey> it's poor support issue
[19:09] <holstein> but, you are welcome and encouraged to try what os you like.. AFAIK, mint provides live CD's you can try
[19:09] <_joey> _not_
[19:10] <holstein> _joey: sure.. most major linux distos provide a live CD.. you are welcome and encouraged to utilize them and confirme that
[19:10] <_joey> I am not sure if Mint sucks as much as Lubuntu in terms of support
[19:10] <comics_idees> is there an old version of google earth .deb for lubuntu to run for older graphics cards?
[19:10] <holstein> _joey: they areboth communities.. you are welcome to get involved and make the level of support what you choose
[19:11] <holstein> _joey: if you are looking for more of a tech-support kind of relationship, you can look at commercial avenues, such as system76
[19:11] <holstein> _joey: this is not tech support.. its community support.. there are only volunteers here..
[19:11] <comics_idees> what is system76
[19:12] <holstein> _joey: so is mint.. community supported..
[19:12] <holstein> comics_idees: commercial hardware vendor that provides linux/ubuntu and support..
[19:13] <comics_idees> I wish to find an old version of google earth .deb package because latest version does not supports my graphics card. Which version should I use?
[19:13] <holstein> comics_idees: you'd have to ask them.. but i would just start stepping back through them
[19:14] <comics_idees> ok I try to ask forums of google earth
[19:24] <SilverLion> holstein: ping
[19:28] <holstein> SilverLion: yo
[19:35] <SilverLion> holstein: where you wanna have it ^^ in the -offtopic or here ^^
[21:42] <SilverLion> aloha philipballew ;)
[23:35] <Kreuger> hey guys, i have a question about a live cd
[23:38] <SonikkuAmerica> !ask
[23:39] <Kreuger> I have an installation that I can't get to login. Im wondering if I could use a live cd to create a new user to login wit
[23:40] <holstein> Kreuger: test this..
[23:40] <holstein> !tty
[23:40] <holstein> Kreuger: ^ and try and login there.. as your user.. then, try the guest account and see if you can get to the desktop
[23:40] <Kreuger> I can't it to give me a terminal
[23:41] <holstein> Kreuger: if you can get to the guest account desktop, and you can login via TTY, then, your issue is in the users config.. if you cant login as user in tty, and you cant get to the guest account desktop, it could be a larger system issue
[23:41] <holstein> Kreuger: it wont hurt to try fsck and test the memory.. etc
[23:42] <Kreuger> there's an issue with the login manager, I can't remember which one I have but I think it was LDM. I've had this issue for months and couldn't get it figured out so I gave up on it. Now Im trying again
[23:43] <Kreuger> Let me go back into it and see what's going on so I can provide more details
[23:44] <SonikkuAmerica> It could be as simple as a bad ~/.Xauthority too
[23:45] <Kreuger> At the time, I still had XFCE on it. So I see the Xubuntu logo, the little icon spins in circles and nothing comes up\
[23:45] <Kreuger> I hit ctrl+alt+f1 to get a terminal and the screen goes black except for that little spinning icon
[23:45] <holstein> Kreuger: if you konw what you are having an issue with, fix it.. otherwise, follow the steps i gave above, and confirm
[23:46] <holstein> Kreuger: try control + alt + F4
[23:46] <holstein> try other tty's
[23:46] <Kreuger> I tried hitting each one after and it does nothing. Should I restart it and try again?
[23:47] <holstein> Kreuger: can you get to the guest account desktop? have you done fsck? have you booted the the recover kernel?
[23:47] <Kreuger> no Im just trying to use the tty's. I don't have a guest account
[23:47] <Kreuger> ooh tty4 just came up
[23:48] <Kreuger> ok so now I have terminal access. I need to figure out why I can't get any kind of GUI
[23:49] <Kreuger> I think now the issue is driver related. It's coming up saying that the nvidia module is not found and then fatal server error: no screens found
[23:50] <Kreuger> I tried using startlxde and it says cannot open display
[23:50] <holstein> Kreuger: try another driver, then
[23:50] <holstein> Kreuger: remove the proprietary graphics driver you installed..
[23:51] <Kreuger> If it's saying it's not found, would that not mean that it's already been removed?
[23:51] <holstein> Kreuger: i dont trust what "it" says.. if you installed a driver, remove it
[23:52] <Kreuger> I dont remember installing it because it was so long ago that I had this issue start.
[23:52] <holstein> Kreuger: test with a live CD, and see that the hard ware isnt failing.. use fsck.. test the memory
[23:52] <holstein> Kreuger: ok.. confirm that its there or not, and remove it if so
[23:53] <Kreuger> removing now via apt-get
[23:53] <Kreuger> I dont currently have internet access on the computer that is having issues
[23:53] <holstein> Kreuger: why not? plug it in..
[23:53] <Kreuger> What do you mean?
[23:54] <holstein> Kreuger: plug it in, and get "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" to complete without error
[23:54] <holstein> Kreuger: plug it in? to the internet..
[23:54] <Kreuger> I only have wifi and I don't know if the drivers are setup for the adapter I have
[23:55] <holstein> Kreuger: you have a router you can plug into
[23:55] <holstein> Kreuger: plug it in.. its the easiest
[23:55] <Kreuger> It's not in my house. It's shared with  my neighbour.
[23:55] <holstein> Kreuger: take it to the neighbors house then
[23:55] <holstein> Kreuger: or, try the other options i gave that dont involve the internet
[23:56] <Kreuger> Well I removed the driver, tried starting xfce4 to see if that would work. It went blank so I hit tty4 again and Im watching it give me output like dmesg
[23:57] <Kreuger> Rebooting now to see if that works
[23:57] <holstein> Kreuger: you'll need to reboot after removing the driver
[23:57] <holstein> Kreuger: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209 if you'd like to remove the driver issues from the equation and test with the vesa driver
[23:58] <holstein> Kreuger: at some point, since you really dont know much about the system, you may want to entertain reinstallation.. that typically takes less than 10 minutes..