[03:37] <lotuspsychje> morning to all
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> great work on the new file manager update guys
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> the tripadvisor app crashes on my nexus7 ubuntu touch
[10:15] <lukthejoker> can i install ubuntu touch on a galaxy s4 mini?
[12:50] <ogratest> hmm
[12:50] <bact> mmm
[12:51]  * ogratest is trying webchat.freenode.net from the n4
[12:52] <ogratest> not too bad actually
[12:53] <popey> ☻
[12:53] <popey> ogratest: what about that other web chat people use? mibbit?
[12:53] <ogratest> i wish i could hide the topic
[12:54] <ogratest> never heard of it :)
[12:54] <bact> can't you install irssi on the terminal?
[12:54] <ogratest> sure
[12:54] <ogratest> but i'd like a webapp
[12:55] <ogratest> (better even a native one indeed, but webapp seems easy to achieve)
[12:56] <bact> webapp?
[12:56] <ogratest> yep
[12:57] <bact> why?
[12:57] <ogratest> popey, does mibbit have a mobile theme ?
[12:58] <ogratest> bact, to not lose my terminal to irssi ;)
[12:58] <bact> ogratest: use screen or tmux then
[12:58] <ogratest> heh
[13:01] <ogra_> a full keyboard is still better for IRC :)
[13:02] <ogra_> i wonder why the webclient doesnt diconnect, i closed the browser a while ago
[13:02] <ogra_> there he goes
[13:04] <ogra_> bact, i actually want something i can have in the applist explicitly (and in the launcher with an icon etc)
[13:06] <ogra_> sadly the css isnt so mobile friendly on the freenode client ... once has to fiddle a bit ... and the capcha stuff on login is quite annoying ... but knowing thsat it works is a good step ... wrapping a webapp around it is a job of 10min ... just finding an icon will take longer
[13:06] <ogra_> s/once/one/
[13:07] <ogra_> i actually wonder what happens when it gets SIGSTOPed while being in background ... i suspect it willl lose content ...
[13:09] <popey> ogra_: could ship irssi configured to run inside screen, would that let it run in the background?
[13:09] <Tassadar> doesn't terminal app have tabs?
[13:09] <popey> scratch that, screen is sticky bit, bet security won't allow that
[13:09] <popey> Tassadar: no, but would be nice if it did ☻
[13:09] <Tassadar> i thought it has
[13:09] <popey> patches welcome ☻
[13:09] <ogra_> popey, i doubt it ... the terminal will be sigstopped as well ... we would need a system service i guess
[13:10] <popey> shame
[13:10] <ogra_> ok, lets see ..
[13:11] <bact> setup a vps with irrsi & screen, then ssh into it
[13:11] <bact> you can't kill what ain't on the device
[13:11] <ogra_> yay, cool
[13:11] <ogra_> it replays the missed content \o/
[13:12] <ogra_> bact, it would still kill irssi ... and i doubt screen would work anyway
[13:12] <bact> ogra_: but you ssh into *another machne*
[13:13] <ogra_> doesnt change the fact that your terminal recieves SIGSTOP as soon as it goes into background
[13:14] <bact> but you could setup it up so it ssh's and autologins with a key on start
[13:14] <ogra_> (and SIGKILL when memory pressure raises ... but that would also affect the webapp)
[13:14] <ogra_> also my mom or my sister wouldnt be able to use that :P
[13:15] <bact> you let your family use your smartphone?
[13:15] <ogra_> i want somethig you can install from the store and just use
[13:15] <bact> do we have a store?
[13:15] <ogra_> yes
[13:16] <bact> I couldn't see one when I last installed it
[13:16] <ogra_> the thing you install your apps from
[13:16] <ogra_> bottom part of the apps scope shows apps from the store
[13:17] <bact> all the apps?
[13:18] <ogra_> yes
[13:18] <bact> why not give the store its own application?
[13:18] <ogra_> ask the designers
[13:18] <ogra_> works fine as is though
[13:19] <bact> designers: why not give the store an app?
[13:19] <ogra_> lol
[13:20]  * ogra_ finds it way more intuitive this way 
[13:20] <bact> what about when the store has a 100 apps?
[13:20] <bact> a 1000?
[13:21] <ogra_> it has a few 100 already ... it will get categories i think
[13:23]  * ogra_ goes and rolls a click package from it 
[13:26] <popey> bact: its being worked on
[13:30] <bact> popey: thanks designer
[13:30] <popey> <- Not a designer
[13:30] <popey> I just play one on TV
[13:36] <ogratest> works well :)
[13:38]  * ogra_ pushes to the store 
[13:42] <ogra_> popey, one for you :)
[13:42]  * ogra_ loves how easy and fast that is 
[13:44] <popey> hah
[13:45] <ogra_> hmm, the kbd doesnt always recognize the input :(
[13:48] <daker> http://www.kdab.com/development-slideviewer-qml-based-presentation-program/
[13:48] <ogra_> popey, thanks !
[13:48] <popey> np
[13:49] <ogra_> now ChickenCutlass can stop whining in my ear  ;)
[15:40] <cm-t_> hi, I am flashing nexus 5 and 7 for an ubuntu party in paris. Whats stable demoable channel should i flash ?
[15:41] <ogramobile> --channel ubuntu-touch/devel
[15:42] <cm-t_> did ubuntu-touch/utopic-customized-demo on some device but it looks not very stable (eg: alt-tabing not switching to the good appsin the first seconde)
[15:43] <cm-t_> ogramobile: thanks, so this channel is suitable for stable install (the purpose is to demo ubuntu touch in the hand of our staff to the public)
[15:43] <cm-t_> ?
[15:45] <ogramobile> the devel channel has the last image that passed automated QA testing
[15:45] <bact> was trusty ever made a stable?
[15:45] <ogramobile> yes
[15:46] <bact> so the last build on trusty is the latest stable?
[15:46] <cm-t_> well, 6 month ago our showcase was about only 1 device. Crashing often, but less when in "our" hand
[15:47] <ogramobile> but stable doesnt mean bugfree (currently at least) it just means "does not move"
[15:47] <cm-t_> but if the alt tab not working well "…"
[15:47] <bact> cm-t_: which hardward are you using?
[15:47] <cm-t_> in our ahand or not, it is something less to show
[15:47] <ogramobile> alt tab ?
[15:47] <cm-t_> nexus 5 and 7
[15:47] <cm-t_> mako and
[15:47] <ogramobile> we dont even have an alt key
[15:48] <cm-t_> ogramobile: alt tab (sorry)  right to left swipe
[15:48] <ogramobile> hmm works fine here
[15:48] <bact> I tried the utopic proposed the other day
[15:48] <cm-t_> here on ubuntu-touch/utopic-customized-demo , it has a really delay
[15:49] <bact> was having some issues with presses being responsive
[15:49] <cm-t_> after the swipe ends, it goes on an other apps,  after 5 seconde only it has the correct focus
[15:49] <ogramobile> you dont want the customization channek
[15:49] <cm-t_> not sure what is the criter of the focus
[15:50] <cm-t_> ogramobile: i picked inside  ubuntu-device-flash --list-channels|grep demo
[15:50] <bact> ogramobile: curious, what is the customisation channel for?
[15:50] <ogramobile> tgats normal
[15:50] <bact> Am I right in assuming that proposed is the bleeding edge?
[15:50] <ogramobile> apps are getting killed and restart ... this is on purpose
[15:51] <ogramobile> if you used all your ram by opening many apps, only a few are kept in sigstop state
[15:51] <ogramobile> the rest is killed
[15:51] <cm-t_> -demo are with  demo data I guess, so no "stable" utopic with these data if I understand well
[15:52] <cm-t_> ogramobile: I get it, sound logic
[15:52] <cm-t_> because i noticed it only after 4 apps opened
[15:52] <cm-t_> or something like that
[15:52] <ogramobile> so if you switch to a killed one it takes a bit to start it again
[15:52] <ogramobile> right
[15:52] <bact> curious, why have an ubuntu party?
[15:52] <ogramobile> this is being improved
[15:53] <ogramobile> but not there yet
[15:53] <cm-t_> bact: out of topic, but we organize them because we allready have an install party every month in paris with ~30 pc installed
[15:53] <cm-t_> http://ubuntu-paris.org
[15:53] <bact> is there alcohol?
[15:53] <ogramobile> its paris
[15:54] <cm-t_> we dont ubuntu party to have install party + conference (once mark shuttleworht!!), showcase, classroom, free to try, …
[15:54] <bact> I wonder if they have ubuntu parties in london
[15:54] <cm-t_> no drinking/dancing :)
[15:54] <ogramobile> there musr be wine
[15:54] <bact> oh.. so its just a conference?
[15:54] <cm-t_> but gaming area + young area
[15:55] <cm-t_> bact: ~3/5k visitor with 30 conferences, showcase, (…) over 2-3 days
[15:55] <cm-t_> ~200 install
[15:55] <ogramobile> nice
[15:55] <cm-t_> I will lead the showcase, so that' is why I want to have the best channel to be installed (in term of stability) because I will not be the only to showcase
[15:56] <cm-t_> because some people at Canonical provided us some hardware, so people will help me
[15:56] <cm-t_> (thanks to them)
[15:56] <ogramobile> well, there are still rough edges like the above one
[15:57] <ogramobile> most should be fixed in summer though, when we release actual phones
[15:59] <cm-t_> our event is the 24-25th may
[16:00] <cm-t_> I want to install it now to familiarize with the "crashing" things (to make the showcase the most smooth as possible)
[16:00] <cm-t_> also I am suscriber of the mailling list and read the most possible didrocks post
[16:00] <cm-t_> to know about news
[16:01] <ogramobile> well, go with the devel channel then
[16:01] <ogramobile> devel-proposed if you want bleeding edge
[16:02] <cm-t_> the -demo are only made when Canonical will make some showcase in an event?
[16:02] <ogramobile> the custom channel is for testing the customization kit and might have its own additional issues
[16:02] <ogramobile> no
[16:02] <cm-t_> (so this mean I pick devel with manually data, or devel got allready data like contacts)
[16:03] <ogramobile> not related to showcases
[16:03] <cm-t_> ok
[16:04] <ogramobile> well, no data on devel indeed ... you would have to add some
[16:04] <ogramobile> probably cwayne can tell yoi gow stable the demo image is currently
[16:06] <ogramobile> typing into IRCon the phone is a slight challenge :)
[16:06] <cm-t_> you doing well :)
[16:08]  * ogramobile hasnt typed long texts on ububtu phone yet
[16:08] <ogramobile> but as long as you still understand me :)
[16:09] <cm-t_> yes :)
[16:19] <cm-t_> I have to leave the place (install party ending) but I'll come asap if have other question (Ill go try the devel for the while). Ill comeback to link you some pics after the event if you want :)
[16:20] <ogramobile> sure !!
[16:43] <ogramobile> identity crisis ?
[20:05] <daker> ogra_: SOS!
[20:05] <daker> remote object '/tmp/mir_screencast_768x1280.rgba' does not exist
[20:33] <ogra_> daker, oh, you're on -proposed i guess ... Mir changed the format slightly ... adds a frequency to the filename or so ... i was planning to look at that next week
[20:34] <daker> ogra_: ok ok
[20:34] <ogra_> daker, take a look in /tmp on the phone ... phablet-screenshot is a shellscript, should be easy to just add whats missing
[20:35] <daker> ya, mir_screencast_768x1280_60Hz.rgba
[20:35] <ogra_> right, just hack that into phablet-screenshot
[20:37] <ogra_> line 109 ...
[20:39] <daker> it works
[20:40] <ogra_> :)
[20:40] <daker> thanks
[21:19] <rickspencer3> irc web app.. great idea!
[21:44] <cowboydan> Hi there !