[00:00] <Krenair> okay so I should run a command to finish the upgrade in the mounted drive, but chrooted so it thinks it runs on the drive
[00:00] <daftykins> correct
[00:03] <Krenair> daftykins, tried to install 'dchroot' as the page suggests, it can't be located
[00:04] <daftykins> shouldn't be necessary, just "sudo mkdir /mnt/chroot" then "sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sda5 /mnt/chroot"
[00:05] <daftykins> then "sudo mount -o bind /proc /mnt/chroot/proc"
[00:05] <Krenair> done
[00:05] <daftykins> that should be enough, then "chroot /mnt/chroot"
[00:05] <daftykins> not sure if that needs sudo or not
[00:06] <Krenair> ok, great
[00:06] <Krenair> now I need to finish the upgrade
[00:06] <daftykins> then try "sudo apt-get update"
[00:06] <daftykins> to see if it has networking
[00:06] <Krenair> I'm root, don't need sudo
[00:06] <Krenair> hm, no networking
[00:06] <daftykins> it might just be lacking DNS
[00:07] <daftykins> open another terminal that's still in the live session - presumably that's online fine?
[00:07] <Krenair> yeah, I just logged it into the wifi
[00:07] <daftykins> cool
[00:07] <Krenair> but the programs under chroot can't use it
[00:07] <daftykins> so in the chroot terminal, you may need to force some DNS server IPs by overwriting /etc/resolv.conf
[00:08] <daftykins> it'll need to contain at least "nameserver x.x.x.x" where those X's are either your router IP, or just pick something like google's with 8.8.8.8
[00:08] <Krenair> that apparently doesn't exist, creating
[00:08] <Krenair> yay, apt-get update runs now
[00:08] <daftykins> excellent
[00:09] <daftykins> now try a "sudo apt-get -f install"
[00:09] <Krenair> it said run dpkg --configure -a
[00:09] <Krenair> which appears to be completing the install
[00:09] <daftykins> :)
[00:09] <Krenair> Might this fix the issue with initramfs?
[00:10] <daftykins> it may
[00:10] <Krenair> great
[00:10] <Krenair> thanks for all your help so far daftykins
[00:10] <Krenair> (especially at this ridiculous hour)
[00:10] <daftykins> :) my pleasure
[00:11] <daftykins> i'm often on the nightowl shift
[00:11] <Krenair> ugh. lots of dependency issues
[00:11] <Krenair> it's leaving lots of thing unconfigured
[00:12] <Krenair> and halts processing after too many...
[00:12] <daftykins> is it still going or completed?
[00:12] <Krenair> it stopped
[00:12] <Krenair> too many errors
[00:13] <daftykins> erk, perhaps it's in a significantly broken state neither in the prior OS nor in the new
[00:13] <daftykins> stuck in limbo
[00:13] <Krenair> I'll try apt-get -f install now
[00:15] <Krenair> which appears to be setting up a lot of stuff, not many errors
[00:15] <Krenair> maybe it'll even resolve some issues the other command was having
[00:16] <daftykins> could be, apt-get doing the install is kinda the daddy to dpkg as the child in some ways
[00:21] <daftykins> how's it looking?
[00:21] <Krenair> still running
[00:21] <Krenair> It actually just ran update-initramfs
[00:21] <daftykins> mmm lots to do perhaps
[00:21] <daftykins> ooh
[00:21] <Krenair> Which is one of the commands that got me into this mess
[00:22] <daftykins> perhaps configured right now
[00:22] <daftykins> right as in correctly
[00:22] <Krenair> ah, okay
[00:22] <Krenair> so it just finished and listed some errors
[00:22] <daftykins> can you pastebin them?
[00:22] <Krenair> one moment
[00:24] <Krenair> daftykins, http://pastebin.com/3WLxCZps
[00:26] <Krenair> not particularly useful
[00:27] <daftykins> sec
[00:28] <Krenair> also http://pastebin.com/tCHz90yw
[00:30] <daftykins> running it again continue at all?
[00:31] <daftykins> ah it is missing /dev/pts
[00:31] <daftykins> think that can sometimes be an extra step in a chroot
[00:32] <Krenair> do we need that?
[00:32] <daftykins> not sure
[00:36] <daftykins> apt-get -f install just keep repeating now?
[00:36] <daftykins> or does it attempt to make progress :D
[00:36] <Krenair> looks like it is not making any more changes
[00:36] <daftykins> from your pastebins where it says "...but it is not configured yet"
[00:36] <daftykins> try running "dpkg-reconfigure <packagename>" on some of those
[00:37] <Krenair>  /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: network-manager is broken or not fully installed
[00:37] <daftykins> hrmm
[00:38] <daftykins> well that's pretty conclusive
[00:38] <Krenair> my system is broken?
[00:38] <daftykins> just that package
[00:38] <Krenair> well
[00:38] <Krenair> and all the other packages listed
[00:39] <Krenair> like libpam-systemd:amd64 (that looks like a fairly important package, just going by name...)
[00:39] <Krenair> aptdaemon
[00:39] <Krenair> pulseaudio, ubuntu-system-service, policykit-1
[00:40] <daftykins> i presume an attempt of "apt-get install --reinstall network-manager" will just complain about other stuff not working?
[00:42] <Krenair> daftykins, E: Internal Error, No file name for network-manager:amd64
[00:44] <Krenair> daftykins, maybe I should try booting and see what happens?
[00:46] <daftykins> sure
[00:47] <daftykins> i think as you pointed out some pretty serious stuff is broken though
[00:56] <Krenair> daftykins, yay, it booted
[00:56] <Krenair> and got to the login screen
[00:56] <Krenair> some styling a bit messed up, but meh
[00:56] <daftykins> hehe
[00:57] <daftykins> surprising
[00:57] <daftykins> it could probably still do with a lot of sorting out
[00:57] <Krenair> I can log in!
[00:57] <Krenair> And see my files!
[00:57] <daftykins> step 1: backup time :D
[00:57] <Krenair> Thank you so much daftykins !
[00:58] <Krenair> (but we still have stuff to do.)
[00:58] <daftykins> hehe
[00:58] <daftykins> glad i could help
[00:59] <Krenair> Running "sudo dpkg --configure -a" now. "sudo apt-get -f install" next.
[01:01] <daftykins> i'm gonna have to head to bed now
[01:01] <Krenair> yay, looks like that fixed everything.
[01:01] <daftykins> oh really :O
[01:01] <Krenair> thank you again daftykins
[01:01] <daftykins> excellent 8)
[01:02] <daftykins> np! you may repay me by backing up ;)
[01:02] <daftykins> g'night \o
[01:02] <Krenair> g'night
[04:17] <mapp> oh
[04:18] <mapp> no
[08:23] <dwatkins> moin moin
[09:18] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:23] <SuperMat1> morning
[09:31] <brobostigon> morning SuperMatt
[09:44] <Myrtti_> D is explaining me his school. Finnish schools don't have houses, so I have to draw from my circle of experience. "Is it like Gryffindor?" :-D
[09:45] <brobostigon> :)
[09:45] <Myrtti_> "YOU WENT TO HOGWARTS!"
[09:45] <brobostigon> i think any little boy or girl would be excited by that.
[09:46] <Myrtti_> I didn't realise how the school holidays went either before I read HP's
[09:51] <brobostigon> hp's?
[09:53] <MartijnVdS> harry potter
[09:54] <brobostigon> yes, sorry. brain fail. brian still half asleep
[09:55] <brobostigon> brain*
[10:07] <bashrc> morning
[12:44] <brobostigon> why would two seperate domains, result in, one pointing at /var/www and the other pointing at /var/www/wordpress and both resulting in the same page coming up.?
[12:45] <penguin42> because you've accidentally overridden the wordpress one with the /var/www one?
[12:46] <brobostigon> the only thing i can think of, is for some reason both domains seem to be pointing at /var/www/wordpress ,
[12:46] <brobostigon> the question is why, where do i look.
[12:46] <penguin42> I guess at the site def for the wordpress one?
[12:46] <penguin42> but I'm not good at debugging this stuff
[12:46] <brobostigon> def ?
[12:47] <penguin42> the thing in apach2/sites-available?
[12:48] <brobostigon> http://pastebin.com/bGip14pR
[12:50] <brobostigon> that the one pointing at wordpress.
[12:50] <penguin42> and what's the other one you have?
[12:50] <brobostigon> thats the only one in there, except for 000-default.conf  default-ssl.conf
[12:53] <penguin42> ok, so that's setting DocumentRoot which I think will set it for the whole host
[12:53] <penguin42> what do you actually want to do?
[12:54] <brobostigon> i want the right domain, pointing at the right place, one pointing at wordpress the other pointing at /var/www
[12:56]  * penguin42 doesn't know how multiple domain names on the same thing work, but I read that as saying that for that port you get that document root, so I don't see how it selects based on the name
[13:00] <brobostigon> so i change that documentroot, and theoreticlly it should point at the right place again?
[13:01] <penguin42> but I don't understand what you've done for your other domain
[13:02] <brobostigon> with MartijnVdS's help the other day, i setup the virtualdomain, for the domain welltravelledbear.co.uk to point at the wordpress folder.
[13:03] <brobostigon> i dont know either, why that wont point at the place.
[13:05] <penguin42> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/vhosts/name-based.html
[13:06] <penguin42> so I think you need another one of those virtualhost sections with the other serveralias/servername that you want
[13:06] <brobostigon> so i setup another virtualhost to point at /var/www ?
[13:06] <penguin42>  'If no matching ServerName or ServerAlias is found in the set of virtual hosts containing the most specific matching IP address and port combination, then the first listed virtual host that matches that will be used.'
[13:06] <penguin42> yeh I think so
[13:07] <brobostigon> ok,
[13:08] <penguin42> because my reading of that page is that if you don't have a servername/alias match then it just picks the 1st one
[13:08] <brobostigon> ok,
[13:13] <brobostigon> that seems to have done it.
[13:13] <brobostigon> ty penguin42
[14:49] <beilby> Ubuntu 14.04 please help, I cannot get one user to use a password at logon, user has a password set
[14:52] <penguin42> is that just because they have the automatic login set?
[14:53] <beilby> no, automatic login is not set
[14:53] <beilby> to see if that would help I did set automatic login then reboot then remove again and reboot
[14:57] <beilby> account was originally created without a password I think, then a password was set from command line, passwd, then was changed using the user settings dialog, we still have a situation where the user does not need to enter a password at desktop logon
[15:22] <Krenair> So last night with the help of daftykins I managed to get my laptop back to a usable state. Now I've noticed some minor issues:
[15:22] <Krenair> When I lock the computer and then go back on, I get two login screens, one after the other
[15:23] <Krenair> On the main signon screen there is a white patch around where the user name and password input are
[15:23] <Krenair> There is a similar white patch on the calendar around the alternative (non-local) clocks
[15:28] <SuperEngineer> I still use 12.04.  Would I be correct in assuming it's ok to also install 14.04 to spare partition?
[15:28] <SuperEngineer>  switch back to 12.04 & reinstal Grub from 12.04 to correct the order of things in grub selection & also be able select 14.04 [to give it a better try than just using live dvd]?
[15:30] <SuperEngineer> [yeah gads - that was a long winded question!]
[15:35] <penguin42> yeh that should work
[15:36] <beilby> still have the issue
[15:36] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: just be careful you know exactly which disk you're installing to
[15:39] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: will do ;)
[15:43] <popey> penguin42: no crash yet with upstream 3.14
[15:44] <penguin42> popey: Promising - then you just have to apply the internal blame resolution operator
[15:45] <popey> ☻
[15:47]  * SuperEngineer ponders on whether the release of 12.04 was 2 weeks too early... 
[15:47] <SuperEngineer> If they'd just waited until after the my op... I could have done as sooo much bug hunting!
[15:48] <SuperEngineer> [or have been sooo much of a pain in backside for reporting duplicates]  ;)
[15:48] <popey> 12.04?
[15:48] <popey> i keep mistyping 14.04 as 12.04
[15:49] <beilby> what is the best thing to do with this user login without password issue?
[15:50] <SuperEngineer> popey: correct - I do appear to be suffering the same 12.04 / 14.04 temptation.. is this a bug???
[15:51] <SuperEngineer> bug: CRITICAL  no auto catch in 12.04 when meaning to type 14.04 or vice versa
[15:51] <popey> http://launchpad.net/popey file a bug ☻
[15:51] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[15:51] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: file it against dwim
[15:52] <Krenair> Also all of gedit's menus are disabled
[16:01] <beilby> okay will submit as a bug
[16:14] <SuperEngineer> bug #1315902
[16:15]  * SuperEngineer slaps wrist
[16:27] <beilby> not sure if anyone is or has talked to me but have logged bug Bug 1315901
[16:32] <shauno> beilby: what does passwd --status thatuser say ?
[16:33] <beilby> P 05/04/2014 0 99999 7 -1
[16:34] <shauno> hm, so it's not locked.  odd
[16:38] <penguin42> beilby: Tried logging in on the text console?
[16:38] <beilby> no
[16:38] <daftykins> what does that user's /etc/passwd entry look like?
[16:39] <beilby> we get asked for password when installing packages etc.
[16:39] <SuperEngineer> beilby: I think you have just looged your bug against popey!  Try looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[16:40] <beilby> used the link in IRC text
[16:43] <Myrtti_> who was it who had the ubuntu spicecollecton hot or not, AlanBell_ ?
[16:44] <beilby> logging into the text console works with current password, does not work with a simple carriage return, I get to text console with CTRL,ALT,F2... is that correct?
[16:45] <penguin42> yep
[16:45] <penguin42> beilby: OK, so I think you're saying you can login to the text console, but not through the GUI?
[16:46] <beilby> I can login at the GUI without a password using enter key or mouse click
[16:47] <beilby> I can login to both, text console requires password GUI does not require password, would like password protection
[16:47] <penguin42> nod
[16:48] <beilby> passwd is hashed (/usr/bin/passwd)
[16:48] <penguin42> we know that there is a password since that's what the text login is doing
[16:48] <beilby> indeed
[16:49] <penguin42> so it's only the lightdm config I guess that can autologin stuff?
[16:49] <beilby> big security issue, the GUI does not require it to give access
[16:49] <penguin42> right, but it's something that you're allowed to enable like that
[16:50] <beilby> so need to disable
[16:50] <penguin42> beilby: Can you cehck /etc/lightdm
[16:50] <beilby> from command line?
[16:50] <penguin42> beilby: I've got a /etc/lightdm/users.conf   with [UserAccounts] section showing minnimum-uid, hidden-users and hidden-shells
[16:51] <penguin42> beilby: Yeh command line, are there any other files in /etc/lightdm or any other items in users.conf ?
[16:51]  * SuperEngineer logs off to instal 14.04 on spare partition
[16:52] <beilby> lightdm.conf  users.conf
[16:52] <penguin42> beilby: Right, do you have an /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf - when I turned on auto login it added an entry to lightdm.conf
[16:52] <penguin42> beilby: You should find it says autologin-user=youruser
[16:53] <penguin42> beilby: so just to confirm as well, if you go to system settings, user accounts, select the user with the problem what does the 'Automatic Login' thing show?
[16:53] <beilby> how do I display contents of lightdm.conf
[16:53] <penguin42> cat lightdm.conf
[16:53] <beilby> automatic login off in system settings
[16:54] <penguin42> ok, what does that lightdm.conf look like
[16:54] <beilby> [SeatDefaults] autologin-user=
[16:55] <beilby> just those 2 lines
[16:57]  * penguin42 is out of ideas - since that's where it seems to put users with autologins
[16:58] <beilby> auto ogin is disabled, this user does not autologin
[16:58] <beilby> you have to login manually
[16:59] <penguin42> oh hmm, so you have to login manually - but it just works with a return?
[16:59] <beilby> thats right yes
[16:59] <penguin42> oh hmm
[17:00] <beilby> where is that setting? seems strange given there is a password associated
[17:00] <penguin42> I didn't know what you're seeing is possible
[17:00] <beilby> would you agree it is a security issue then?
[17:01] <penguin42> beilby: On your system yes, but it's not obvious to me what's wrong on your system yet
[17:01]  * penguin42 will be back in ~20mins - I have a crumble to crumble
[17:02] <beilby> sorry, I am no expert on Linux thanks for your help
[17:25] <penguin42> beilby: OK, how many users do you have on this system?
[17:35] <beilby> 2 users
[17:36] <beilby> actually logged in as affected user atm
[17:37] <penguin42> beilby: OK, and the two users, do they have similar usernames - it's not like one is a shorter version of the other or anything like that?  and the user with the problem, is the password 'normal' - i.e. no weird characters or anything?
[17:37] <beilby> no nothing like that
[17:38] <penguin42> ok
[17:40] <penguin42> beilby: So after you login as this user without the passowrd, I'd take a copy of /var/log/lightdm/x-0-greeter.log    you should see something like    Authentication complete for user  whatever  with return code 0        starting session ubuntu
[17:41] <penguin42> beilby: I'd check you are seeing that - there are a lot of other messages as well - that file is the one that has a lot of the login debug
[17:42] <beilby> getting cat: x-0-greeter.log: Permission denied
[17:43] <beilby> got it with sudo
[17:45] <beilby> yes I see Authentication complete for user  whatever  with return code 0
[17:47] <beilby> also seeing Starting session ubuntu quite a few lines lower
[17:48] <penguin42> beilby: OK, I think you need to file your bug by running the command     ubuntu-bug unity-greeter
[17:49] <brobostigon> stargate, ch5, :)
[17:52] <beilby> what should I put under further information?
[17:53] <penguin42> beilby: You'd describe everything
[17:53] <beilby> copy this transcript then?
[17:53] <penguin42> beilby: Things like the way you need the password for a text login, the information about how it didn't originally have a password, then you set it, the contents of those /etc/lightdm files that we looked at before
[17:54] <penguin42> beilby: can do - but don't miss anything out
[17:55] <penguin42> beilby: Be clear about what works and what doesn't
[17:59] <beilby> how about this
[17:59] <beilby> two users on this system, other user works as exprcted. Other user does not, my understanding is that the faulty user was originally set without a password. Later a password was set with passwd, from this point onwards logging on to text console worked as expected with a password but logging on to GUI did not require a password simply pressing enter key was sufficient to logon
[18:02] <penguin42> beilby: Put the important stuff first - the important stuff is that you can login with just the enter key on the gui, then make sure to note that it's only the gui
[18:04] <beilby> draft 2
[18:04] <beilby> Firstly I can logon with the affected account simply by pressing the enter key but only on the GUI. There are two users on this system, one user works as expected. Other user does not, my understanding is that the faulty user was originally set without a password. Later a password was set with passwd, from this point onwards logging on to text console worked as expected with a password but logging on to GUI did not require a password simply pre
[18:04] <beilby> ssing enter key was sufficient to logon. Beyond this the password has been changed using the user settings dialog, also, automatic login has been enabled and enacted then removed again to no avail.
[18:05] <penguin42> yeh go for it
[18:05] <beilby> ticking  This bug is a security vulnerability?
[18:07] <penguin42> beilby: Not sure - we don't know what's actually wrong on your machine
[18:10] <beilby> OK done, my new bug is 1315919
[18:10] <beilby> what do I do about bug 1315901
[18:11] <penguin42> are you sure it's 919 - I don't see it
[18:11] <penguin42> oh, did you mark it security?
[18:12] <beilby> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/1315919
[18:13] <beilby> user has password but GUI gives access to system without a password Edit    Ubuntu    “unity-greeter” package    Bugs    Bug #1315919
[18:14] <penguin42> beilby: Yeh it's hiding that one - I think because you set security on it, the security guys will look at it
[18:14] <beilby> yes I think so
[18:14] <beilby> what do I do about bug 1315901?
[18:15] <beilby> do I need to change information type on 919?
[18:15] <penguin42> you should be able to close it
[18:16]  * penguin42 goes to consume crumble
[18:16] <beilby> not seeing that option
[18:30] <beilby> how do I close bug 1315901? created in error
[18:41] <penguin42> beilby: I've closed it for you
[18:41] <beilby> Thank you for all your help
[18:41] <beilby> my preference is rhubarb
[18:46] <daftykins> noooo, apple!
[18:49]  * penguin42 burps apple crumble
[18:49] <penguin42> twas good
[18:49] <daftykins> :D
[18:49] <daftykins> so where's mine?
[18:49] <dwatkins> I had it.
[18:49] <daftykins> with hot custard i hope
[18:49] <daftykins> ugh i pop out for 5 mins and dwatkins swoops in :(
[18:50] <dwatkins> No, squirty cream.
[18:50] <daftykins> that's infinitely inferior
[18:51]  * penguin42 had his crumble neat
[18:52] <daftykins> :o
[18:55] <dwatkins> I hope there's lactose free custard.
[19:03] <daftykins> nope.
[19:03] <daftykins> should i call an ambulance?
[19:04] <daftykins> aaah finally able to add more data to my array now that it's happy
[19:04] <dwatkins> It's fine, normal milk just makes me fart a lot.
[19:05]  * penguin42 flicks the lighter
[19:06] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/1lm0b70y2ikmiqv/array.png
[19:06] <daftykins> oops.
[19:07] <penguin42> daftykins: You need a pile of 2TB drives
[19:11] <daftykins> i ordered some ;)
[20:41] <Azelphur> what's the easiest way to move contacts from an iPhone to Android?
[21:05] <maps|wrk> gah regular expressions confuse me
[21:14] <daftykins> Azelphur: i think a mate bought an app when he upgraded ;)
[21:15] <daftykins> maybe that was more a Windows prog
[21:16] <maps|wrk> windows eh
[21:18] <shauno> there's an app "my contacts backup" that'll export to vcf (yeah it's third-party, but it's free if you've got less than 500 contacts - http://mycontactsbackup.globile.biz )
[21:28] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/xcmd355.jpg
[21:29] <daftykins> wow.
[21:41] <penguin42> that's ....odd
[22:05] <popey> penguin42: 3.14 - still crashed
[22:19] <penguin42> popey: hmm, and it's a solid hang - but alt-sysrq works?
[22:28] <ali1234> popey: who is responsible for the ubuntu irc logs?
[22:28] <ali1234> it would be infinitely easier to use if they were stored by channel/year/month/day instead of year/month/day/channel
[22:28] <ali1234> this could even be done with symlinks, thus not breaking existing links
[23:16] <penguin42> popey: SO you've got an ssh into this laptop from somewhere else; can you just leave it running a vmstat 1    it should print out a line of stuff every second