[06:49] <jhenke> good morning folks
[08:52] <elfy> brainwash: told you it was the same bug ;)
[08:53] <brainwash> elfy: yes, but it was not obvious in the first place
[08:54] <elfy> it was to me 
[08:54] <brainwash> :D
[08:56] <elfy> I must say that the last year or so is starting to change my attitude to launchpad - up till working with the team here - launchpad to me was somewhere for people to report bugs pointlessly
[09:00] <brainwash> pointlessly?
[09:03] <elfy> yep - report bug - wait for it to be invalid
[09:04] <brainwash> almost every report filed against Xfce components needs to be redirected upstream :/
[09:05] <elfy> I'm not talking about now and us :)
[09:05] <elfy> "up till working with the team here - launchpad to me was"
[09:06] <brainwash> mmh
[09:06] <elfy> they might get redirected upstream - but they do tend to get looked at
[09:07] <brainwash> but the core problem remains, lack of developers upstream and downstream
[09:07] <elfy> yep
[09:08] <brainwash> so it would be awesome to have something like a hackathon or hack fest
[09:09] <brainwash> to get people involved
[09:09] <elfy> start setting one up then :)
[09:10] <brainwash> I'm not able to organize something like that
[09:10] <elfy> well - start with a mail to the list see if people have interest
[09:11] <brainwash> ok, maybe
[09:11] <brainwash> first I'll need a concept
[09:11] <elfy> ‎thought you had that at 10:08 :p
[09:11] <brainwash> for a virtual hack fest
[09:11] <elfy> or perhaps 11:08 :)
[09:12] <brainwash> tzzz
[09:12] <brainwash> :D
[09:14] <brainwash> there is also the idea to reward people with digital currency to push the development of new features or fix pending major bugs
[09:14] <brainwash> but doing it the "right" way isn't easy
[09:18] <elfy> indeed 
[09:18] <elfy> and who decides which to push
[09:20] <brainwash> everything can and will go wrong :)
[09:20] <elfy> yep 
[09:21] <brainwash> so better don't change anything at all :/
[09:21] <elfy> :)
[09:23] <elfy> team PPA is more important to work out if you ask me
[09:26] <brainwash> yes
[09:30]  * elfy is confused why some people are reporting that the xfpm ppa fix works and others not
[09:33] <brainwash> we can't tell right now, people might use different setups
[09:35] <elfy> flailing around in the dark springs to mine
[09:35] <elfy> s/mid
[09:35] <brainwash> on top of that, the suspend/resume cycle is influenced by various factors too
[09:35] <elfy> sigh - mind
[09:36] <elfy> I'm not even sure why we went to lightlock - other than xcreensaver wasn't pretty
[09:37] <brainwash> visual improvement
[09:37] <elfy> then perhaps we should go back then 
[09:38] <brainwash> light-locker 2.0 will get rid of the vt switching, so it will solve most problems
[09:38] <elfy> though I suppose it is only people that lid close
[09:40] <elfy> and will we get in time for 14.04.1 
[09:42] <brainwash> closing the lid to suspend the laptop is quite popular :D
[09:42] <elfy> apparently so ;)
[09:45] <elfy> off to install unicorn - biab
[17:26] <lderan> ochosi, bluesabre what shall i do regarding the mailing list email about the lightlocker settings translations?
[18:05] <bluesabre> lderan: I can prepare a debian patch or new release for light-locker-settings
[18:05] <bluesabre> I'll try to get to that today
[18:07] <lderan> that is very awesome of you :)
[20:36] <ali1234> hey everyone, i just thought of something
[20:36] <ali1234> thunar has a daemon mode right?
[20:36] <ali1234> and since ubuntu-desktop i've had at least one thunar crash
[20:37] <ali1234> maybe gtk_init before fork causes the weird thunar crashes?
[20:50] <brainwash> ali1234: do you think that all these reporters have also ubuntu/unity installed?
[20:50] <ali1234> i don't know, but it is possible
[20:50] <brainwash> the amount of reports is huge
[20:51] <brainwash> we need to fix the daemonize problem anyway
[22:15] <ali1234> yeah, do you fancy checking the thunar source for this problem?
[22:18] <ali1234> brainwash: do you have all the fork() bug report numbers handy?
[22:26] <ali1234> just need the app-chooser one now
[22:42] <brainwash> ali1234: appfinder?
[22:42] <ali1234> yes, that one
[22:44] <brainwash> bug 1048805
[22:44] <ali1234> thanks
[22:44] <brainwash> but the problem is fixed in version 4.11
[22:44] <ali1234> yes, but not really if it still forks after gtk_init
[22:44] <ali1234> it's just obscured, not really fixed
[22:44] <brainwash> ah right
[22:56] <ali1234> https://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2014-May/030715.html