[00:01] <valorie> o/
[00:01] <Darkwing> So, I gave up my Chromebook for a real system again. 
[00:02] <valorie> you can't make it into a real system?
[00:02] <Darkwing> It was the ARM version and there were some major issues with configuration
[00:03] <valorie> ah
[00:03] <Darkwing> So I figured a thinkpad would be better
[00:03] <valorie> so picky
[00:03] <valorie> much web
[00:03] <valorie> so cloud
[00:03] <Darkwing> Lol 
[00:04] <valorie> privacy?
[00:04] <valorie> what's that
[00:04] <valorie> etc.
[00:04] <valorie> I hear a lot of good stuff about thinkpads
[00:04] <valorie> markey in particular should do sales for them
[00:04] <Darkwing> Yeah... Works out of box. Even the fancy ones
[00:05] <valorie> my hp pavilion is still going strong
[00:06] <Darkwing> X1 Carbon. 
[00:06] <valorie> I bought this used from my son so he could afford a newer gaming laptop
[00:07] <valorie> now he's wanting the latest new....
[00:07] <valorie> what a nut
[00:08] <Darkwing> Lol
[00:09] <valorie> Sysinfo for 'valorie-HP-Pavilion-dv7-Notebook-PC': Running inside KDE 4.13.0 on Ubuntu 14.04, Trusty Tahr powered by Linux 3.13.0-24-generic, CPU: AMD Phenom(tm) II P960 Quad-Core Processor at 800-1800/1800 MHz, RAM: 5538/5712 MB, Storage: 285/528 GB, 228 procs, 165.6h up
[00:10] <Darkwing> I'm running Unity still
[00:10] <valorie> do you like it?
[00:11] <Darkwing> Yeah, I actually do
[00:11] <valorie> cool
[00:11] <valorie> I am not their target audience
[00:12] <Darkwing> Yeah... 
[00:14] <valorie> but really, software is not religion
[00:14] <valorie> use what works for you
[00:14] <valorie> work with the people you enjoy
[00:14] <valorie> etc.
[00:15] <valorie> life can be enjoyable
[00:18] <valorie> you don't always realize the contributions you are making, anyway
[00:18] <Darkwing> I'm heading back to KDE... 
[00:18] <Darkwing> I've missed it too much
[00:18] <valorie> that's wonderful news, Darkwing
[00:19] <valorie> I've missed you
[00:19] <Darkwing> Lol
[00:19] <valorie> and that sentence above was for -cafe, I see
[00:19] <valorie> oh well
[00:24] <valorie> off to dinner
[01:19] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1315969] ftp connections via kde apps take extremely long @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1315969 (by Jason Straight)
[07:34] <agateau> so I asked for some advice regarding where to file a bug yesterday, but had to leave :/ (sorry BluesKaj)
[07:34] <agateau> lets ask again now that I am in front of the laptop for the day
[07:34] <agateau> my freshly upgraded Kubuntu fails to run my libgdx-based game. It crashes after a few seconds with a "intel_do_flush_locked failed Input/Output error" message. Which package should I file a bug against? mesa?
[07:37] <apachelogger> agateau: xserver-xorg-video-intel or mesa
[07:38] <apachelogger> prolly upstreamthough... even though I have no clue what sort of patching actually goes on there ;)
[07:38] <agateau> apachelogger: I guess I pick one and the competent people will reassign if neccessary
[07:38] <apachelogger> agateau: yeah, I have no clue where in launchpad that is tracked
[07:38] <apachelogger> upstream it'd be bugs.fdo -> product mesa component intel
[07:39] <agateau> apachelogger: ok, will look into this. Thanks.
[08:38] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1089483] package kde-runtime-data 4:4.9.2-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: package kde-runtime-d... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1089483 (by Richel Bilderbeek)
[09:05] <apachelogger> Oo
[09:06]  * apachelogger marks that fixed because he can
[09:06] <apachelogger> kubotu: is lunchpad drunk or are you?
[09:08] <jussi> both? 
[09:09] <jussi> kubotu: order a beer for kubotu
[09:09]  * kubotu slides a beer down the bar to kubotu
[09:09] <jussi> :D
[09:09] <jussi> kubotu: order a beer for apachelogger 
[09:09]  * kubotu slides a beer down the bar to apachelogger
[09:11] <Riddell> mitya57: welcome to kubuntu-devel list :)
[09:33] <mitya57> Thanks Riddell!
[09:39]  * Riddell spots 4.99.0 in unstable/frameworks
[09:42] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1089483] package kde-runtime-data 4:4.9.2-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: package kde-runtime-d... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1089483 (by Richel Bilderbeek)
[10:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: mitya57 what's up with the Qt mergery?
[10:10] <shadeslayer> are we tracking merges somewhere?
[10:16] <shadeslayer> shoot :/
[10:16] <shadeslayer> valorie: I might not be able to make it for the CC meeting, will you be able to attend?
[10:16] <shadeslayer> or I reschedule my thing to tomorrow
[10:21] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: drinking so early in the morning? :O
[10:40] <apachelogger> jussi suggested it
[10:41] <shadeslayer> jussi: are you trying to get apachelogger drunk so early :O
[10:41] <apachelogger> it's monday anyway, so it does not matter
[10:41] <shadeslayer> wait what
[10:41] <shadeslayer> drinking on monday's doesn't matter?
[10:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: can you do verifiction for pam-kwallet?
[10:41] <apachelogger> so we have at least two people who can confirm it nto being broken
[10:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sure, lemme finish off kde workspace 4.11.9 first
[10:41] <apachelogger> bug 1314118 bug 1314119 bug 1314120
[10:42] <shadeslayer> oh my :3
[10:44] <jussi> shadeslayer: its not about drunk, its about ballmer peak... :D
[10:44] <shadeslayer> psht, if you're off by even 0.1 ml .....
[10:44] <jussi> shadeslayer: :D
[10:45] <apachelogger> better be accurate then
[10:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no formal tracking currently, but I'm looking at the qt one from mitya57 and sgclark's work
[10:45] <jussi> kubotu: order a vodka for apachelogger
[10:45]  * kubotu slides a vodka down the bar to apachelogger
[10:45] <jussi> :D
[10:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok
[11:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: bug 1314118 fails
[11:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: on logging into the user where I made my custom wallet/password , it makes 2 wallets on login
[11:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/05/05/plasma-desktopJv2749.png
[11:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: needs to be named kdewallet
[11:14] <shadeslayer> not mentioned in the testcase mate :P
[11:14] <apachelogger> yeah, forgot to add it when I did the testrun :P
[11:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you'd better check with alex whether that is intended though
[11:15] <apachelogger> not a new behavior though
[11:15] <shadeslayer> right
[11:15] <shadeslayer> anyway, apart from that it passes
[11:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: they all have the same test case btw
[11:16] <shadeslayer> oh
[11:16] <shadeslayer> yay
[11:16] <apachelogger> the actual crash causes are somewhat arbitrary
[11:16] <shadeslayer> can mark them all as verification done then :P
[11:16] <apachelogger> aye
[11:16] <apachelogger> you may want to up your actual system though
[11:16] <apachelogger> give it real life testing until promotion to updates pocket
[11:17] <apachelogger> (although, I have not had any issues so far ^^)
[11:18] <shadeslayer> I'm always running proposed
[11:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: alex says it's a bug
[11:23] <shadeslayer> so I'll report it upstream
[11:23] <apachelogger> aye
[11:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: verification-done on all 3 bug reports btw
[11:30] <apachelogger> cheers
[11:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=334373
[11:32] <shadeslayer> incase you want to track it
[11:32] <apachelogger> looks like the wrong product, I think someone needs to make their project a proper kde playground project or something :P
[12:06] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[12:09] <Riddell> hi lordievader 
[12:10] <lordievader> Hey Riddell, how are you doing?
[12:12] <Riddell> getting all excited about the new frameworks release :)
[12:12] <Riddell> now the question is, do we upload this to utopic?
[12:13] <lordievader> KF5 you mean? I should test it some more...
[12:13] <Riddell> not much to test just now but I plen to do a plasma next release at the end of the week
[12:14] <lordievader> Oehh fancy :)
[12:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: do we have a date yet for the kickoff meeting?
[12:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: I sent a mail I think, please check
[12:26] <apachelogger> or at least I think I sent one ^^
[12:33] <Riddell> hi sgclark 
[12:34] <sgclark> Riddell: morning :) there was the lintain attached to that mail with questions, want it as is?
[12:35] <Riddell> oh didn't spot questions
[12:36] <Riddell> update symbols on libqt4-declarative:
[12:36] <sgclark> ok thank you
[12:36] <Riddell> for the circular dependency you can work out what in libqt4-declarative depends on libqt4-gui and vice-verse and then we can work out if they need split
[12:37] <Riddell> otherwise all good
[12:50] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1316108] What Are Things You Can Do to Slim Down Healthily @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1316108 (by Olivia Ava)
[12:54] <shadeslayer> dafuq
[12:54] <shadeslayer> spam :/
[12:56] <kfunk> at least the category is correct
[13:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ye may want to throw that at #launchpad
[13:53] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1316108] What Are Things You Can Do to Slim Down Healthily @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1316108 (by Olivia Ava)
[13:53] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1316150] Is Slimming Down a Challenge? Find out about Turmeric Benefits @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1316150 (by Olivia Ava)
[13:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: dude, please tell #launchpad
[13:54] <shadeslayer> ugh
[13:54] <shadeslayer> right
[13:55] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1312806] Please update kde-workspace to 4.11.9 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1312806 (by Kubuntu IRC Bot)
[13:55] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1313193] Missing "$" in /usr/bin/startkde @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1313193 (by Rafael Jesus Alcantara Perez)
[14:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you poke someone with it?
 shadeslayer: Suspended
[14:53] <shadeslayer> now send me cookies
[14:54] <apachelogger> kubotu: order cookies, xmas for shadeslayer
[14:54]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of last year's, now all dry cookies, down the crappy decorated and totally falling apart bar to shadeslayer and shouts: Happy whatever -.-
[14:54] <shadeslayer> :O
[14:58] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1089483] package kde-runtime-data 4:4.9.2-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: package kde-runtime-d... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1089483 (by Richel Bilderbeek)
[14:58] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1106271] systemsettings does not start @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1106271 (by piotrekw1)
[15:02] <apachelogger> I really wonder what causes the rss feed bumps of old bugs today
[15:09] <shadeslayer> kubotu is being silly today
[15:10] <apachelogger> well, it only reports what the bug rss feeds say
[15:11] <apachelogger> so something must trigger those old bugs to appear, but i can't find the cause in the bug reports themselves
[15:11] <apachelogger> the activity log doesn't show anything
[15:29] <shadeslayer> anyone want to review http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/meta-kde/revision/63
[15:42] <Peace-> Riddell:  try to install kwin-style-dekorator 
[15:42] <Peace-> it says
[15:42] <Peace-> he following packages will be REMOVED:
[15:42] <Peace->   kde-plasma-desktop kde-standard kde-window-manager
[15:42] <Peace-> and it's not a nice thing 
[15:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: Package: kdegames
[15:46] <apachelogger> why was it arch any
[15:47] <shadeslayer>   * Make kdegames arch any and do not depend on packages
[15:47] <shadeslayer>     not built on arm
[15:47] <apachelogger> same for kdenetwork
[15:47] <shadeslayer> same for kdenetwork
[15:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I doubt you can drop that then
[15:48] <apachelogger> unless all deps now build on arm
[15:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I checked kdenetwork, all packages it depends on built on arm IIRC
[15:48] <shadeslayer> looking at kdegames
[15:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well, FWIW you could just upload, but you definitely would need to watch proposed migration logs
[15:48] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:48] <apachelogger> that's why we excluded stuff, it didn't build and blocked promotion
[15:49] <shadeslayer> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/128438523/meta-kde_5%3A76~pre1ubuntu9_5%3A76~pre1ubuntu10.diff.gz
[15:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: kdenetwork recommends ends with a comma it seems
[15:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: comes from debian then
[15:49] <Peace-> apachelogger: can you see if installing  kwin-style-dekorator it removes  kde-plasma-desktop ?
[15:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: fix it anyway plz ;)
[15:50] <shadeslayer> psht http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/utopic/kubrick/utopic/view/head:/debian/control#L28
[15:50]  * shadeslayer will try to fix kubrick
[15:53] <apachelogger> bazaar browser diffs are really shitty to read
[15:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: does look fine otherwise from what I see
[15:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: don't forget to build with -vLASTUBUNTUVERSION
[15:53] <apachelogger> Peace-: there was an ABI breakage
[15:54]  * apachelogger wonders why we did not remove dekorator
[16:40] <Darkwing> Afternoon
[16:41] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: yes, we are, to answer your question to me earlier :)
[17:05] <Riddell> hi Darkwing 
[17:05] <Riddell> Darkwing: so how do we use this kubuntu twitter account?
[17:06] <Riddell> so blue http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_4.99.0_trusty.html
[17:21] <Riddell> utopic's influence is going far http://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/2014/may/05/new-currency-independent-scotland-unicorn
[17:34] <Riddell> sgclark: how are you getting on with qt?
[17:37] <ovidiu-florin> hello world
[17:37] <ovidiu-florin> your married ovidiu-florin is back :D
[17:38] <sgclark> Riddell: running into problems, but I think it is something I did...
[17:38] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: congratulations!
[17:38] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: awooga!
[17:38] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: all happyness and love in the florin house?
[17:38] <ovidiu-florin> I'm still not fully sober, but I'm mostly ready for action.
[17:39] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: ovidiu-florin is my first name
[17:39] <ovidiu-florin> Bogdan is my last name
[17:39] <ovidiu-florin> the answer is yes :D
[17:39] <ovidiu-florin> the ring will take some getting use to
[17:40] <ovidiu-florin> :)
[17:40] <ovidiu-florin> thank you all
[17:41] <sgclark> congratulations!
[17:43]  * ovidiu-florin is catching up with the emails
[17:43] <ovidiu-florin> the mumble is in 1 hour?
[17:43] <ovidiu-florin> meeting*
[17:44] <apachelogger> next week
[17:44] <apachelogger> oh
[17:44] <apachelogger> I gave the wrong url
[17:45] <apachelogger> alas, that's 5th of may anyway, so doesn't matter ^^
[17:47] <apachelogger> people talk so little with me on the ML there's now a thread with 4 mails all from me :'<
[17:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: where is the meeting?
[17:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: the mumble, although yofel did not confirm yet
[18:18] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: hello
[18:18] <Etriaph> Hi.
[18:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ack
[18:18] <shadeslayer> hi Etriaph
[18:18] <Etriaph> Hi shadeslayer
[18:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what did i say?
[18:18] <apachelogger> I didn't say anything
[18:18] <apachelogger> waaa
[18:18]  * apachelogger runs into wall
[18:19] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: as I've said in the email, the tasks I've mentioned there don't require acess to the server. You can do them on any wordpress instance.
[18:19] <shadeslayer> I made apachelogger run into a wall ... muwhahaha
[18:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: re meta-kde
[18:19] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: I'm aware, I guess I'm looking to see what you have now to put the tasks into context
[18:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ah
[18:19] <ovidiu-florin> and if you're lucky you can do it even without an WP instance
[18:19] <Etriaph> Not the code so much as the site
[18:20] <shadeslayer> my internet is so very shitty
[18:20] <shadeslayer> probably as shitty as apachelogger's
[18:21] <apachelogger> I find that hard to believe
[18:21] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: After reading the list of tasks you have yet to complete I'm just trying to visualize what it is you're looking to get done.
[18:22] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: do you think you can help me with setting up the child theme for Evolve?
[18:22] <ovidiu-florin> I've been having difficultied doing that.
[18:22] <ovidiu-florin> I can help you get started if you want
[18:23] <ovidiu-florin> but after that you'll have do do some figuring out, since that's the part I've been having trouble with
[18:23] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: I can give it a shot.  What obstacles have you run into with it?
[18:24] <Etriaph> And are you using community themes or have you rolled your own?
[18:24] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: When I made the child theme instead of just adding the child's CSS to the parent, it broke the parent.
[18:24] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: https://wordpress.org/themes/evolve
[18:24] <ovidiu-florin> this one
[18:24] <ovidiu-florin> modified a lot
[18:24] <ovidiu-florin> in structure and in layout
[18:24] <ovidiu-florin> so, updating it would be a problem
[18:25] <Etriaph> OK, do you have a pre-rolled child theme you're trying to integrate with it?
[18:26] <ovidiu-florin> Not anymore
[18:26] <Etriaph> Or have you tried to create your own?
[18:26] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: this one offers all that we need and it's under GPL, so there is no need to roll  a new one.
[18:27] <ovidiu-florin> it's developers controbute ocasionally with updates, that might be usefull
[18:27] <ovidiu-florin> so, a child theme would be the best way to go, IMHO
[18:27] <Etriaph> OK, so you are properly trying to ensure that you can update Evolve when necessary without breaking anything
[18:28] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[18:28] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: I would recommend we try this on a clean WP instance
[18:28] <Etriaph> Yup.
[18:28] <ovidiu-florin> with a clean version of the theme
[18:29] <ovidiu-florin> and if that works, we'll just upload the new child theme
[18:29] <Etriaph> I have Apache/PHP/MySQL setup on my desktop here, so I can start from scratch and start playing with it
[18:29] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: can you start working on this please?
[18:29] <Etriaph> Yup, I'll give it a go.
[18:30] <ovidiu-florin> great.
[18:30] <Etriaph> What version of WP are you running?  3.9?
[18:31] <yofel> apachelogger: you mean me providing the mumble instance? Sure, can do. Though just running it with a plain config on our server would work just as well
[18:33] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: always the latest
[18:34] <Etriaph> Roger that.  So just to confirm (in the case it may be pertinent) I'll be using Apache 2/PHP 5.3 + MySQL + WordPress 3.9 + Evolve 2.9.2
[18:36] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: currently we have Evolve 2.9.1
[18:37] <ovidiu-florin> Apache/2.2.22 (Debian)
[18:38] <ovidiu-florin> PHP 5.4.4
[18:38] <ovidiu-florin> mysql  Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.5.35
[18:38] <Etriaph> Oh, I'm on PHP 5.5 apparently
[18:38] <ovidiu-florin> it's a debian machine
[18:38] <Etriaph> Our versions match closely enough I think we'll be fine
[18:38] <ovidiu-florin> packages are slightly older
[18:39] <Etriaph> I'm on Kubuntu 14.04
[18:39] <ovidiu-florin> I recommend you work on a Debian VM
[18:45] <Etriaph> That would be more of a feat
[18:46] <shadeslayer> I doubt it
[18:46] <shadeslayer> https://www.vm4nerds.com/
[18:47] <Etriaph> I mean for me to setup a vm to create a child theme for WordPress; that's kind of overkill. :)
[18:59] <Mamarok> ovidiu-florin: congratulations :) Careful not to forget your ring on sinks ;)
[19:02] <ovidiu-florin> Mamarok: thank you. I'll try
[19:11] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: Engaged?
[19:11] <Etriaph> Or newly married I take it?
[19:43] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: OK, I do have it working (ie., the caroussel doesn't break); however, it requires you to copy a few folders each time you update Evolve.  It's either that or you hack Evolve itself.
[19:44] <Etriaph> After reading about the theme, it's complexity makes it difficult to make a child theme out of
[19:44] <Etriaph> It uses constants to define the paths, so everything always points to the child and not the parent by way of media requirements (javascript, css, etc.)
[19:48] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: If you want, I can give you a web address to see the result at.
[20:44] <Riddell> hi Etriaph, welcome along
[20:44] <Etriaph> Hi Riddell, thanks
[20:56] <jose> Riddell: today I'm shipping my first DVD request for the cycle in the country: includes a requested Kubuntu DVD
[21:00] <Darkwing> Riddell: ping
[21:02] <jose> Darkwing: he's been idle since his last message - already 10pm in the uk
[21:03] <Darkwing> jose: I was afread of that.
[21:10] <Riddell> hi Darkwing 
[21:10] <Riddell> jose: what what? why do you get dvd requests?
[21:11] <jose> I'm the contact for Ubuntu Peru
[21:11] <Darkwing> Riddell: care for a PM?
[21:11] <Riddell> sure
[21:51] <Riddell> sgclark: lots new packages to fix :) http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_4.99.0_trusty.html
[22:02] <sgclark> Riddell: ok, still fighting with cirular depend