=== joshtau_ is now known as joshtau [01:19] ok, I think I understand my problem better--the computer's got issues with the video card [01:19] majorly [01:19] it ran fine under XP, but that's been wiped now since they didn't want to use the 'net with it [01:19] on installing, it gives me an error: "Unidentified video mode: 314" and tells me to choose something [01:19] all of the options are smaller than the display can actually handle [01:20] either 640x480 or 800x600, this laptop can handle 1024x768 at least [01:20] when I chose one, it sized it not to the full screen, but to a *portion* of the screen, leaving weird colored dead space to the right and bottom [01:21] does anyone know enough to help me figure out how to get this to work? I've installed Linux before (I run Linux Mint myself), but troubleshooting video card issues is not something I know much about [01:38] Doranwen: well, "the latop can handle" is not really relevant [01:38] Doranwen: its more about, what the hardware can support in linux [01:38] !nomodeset | Doranwen [01:38] Doranwen: A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter [01:38] it doesn't boot into black or anything [01:38] Doranwen: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209 [01:38] it just doesn't use the full screen [01:39] like there's a big strip to the right and the bottom (about 2/5 of it) that are weird colors, and the display is confined to a rectangle in the upper left, about 3/5 of the whole thing [01:39] Doranwen: sure.. and, ideally, your manufacturer would supply you support for linux, as they did for XP.. but, since that doesnt happen, you have to do it [01:39] Doranwen: think of it this way.. a company paid a team of developers to make sure XP ran on your hardware.. now, you are taking on that burden with linux [01:40] Doranwen: have you tried nomodeset? or the vesa driver with the xorg.conf i linked? [01:40] right [01:40] if not, try those options and go from there.. [01:40] lol, not yet, I'm just getting to the nomodeset option [01:41] Doranwen: i'll use a few live CD's.. knoppix.. and also puppy linux has a nice wizard at boot.. ill copy the xorg.conf files from there and edit them a bit if needed and use them with ubuntu or whatever [01:42] I've got the vesa driver link up [01:42] I can always copy/paste via USB once it's install, yes/no? [01:42] *installed [01:42] in terms of the xorg.conf [01:42] Doranwen: correct [01:43] it'd be a bit of a pain to type it all from looking *g* [01:43] Doranwen: dont worry about the resolution and all that. just try it as is and see how the vesa driver is [01:43] but yeah, it's trying the install with the nomodeset [01:43] * Doranwen nods [01:43] Doranwen: is this an older nvidia card? [01:44] not sure, it's a Dell Inspiron 1100 [01:44] this is what I found: http://www.notebookreview.com/notebookreview/dell-inspiron-1100-review/ [01:44] they've got a larger hdd than that [01:44] but the RAM's the same [01:44] I can't even see the video card listed there [01:44] Doranwen: dell will choose hardware. that hardware has chipsets.. so, even if you found someone else with that *exact* same model #, it may not have the same chipsets [01:45] * Doranwen nods [01:45] all dell has to do is what they promised.. which is provide windows drivers for all the hardware [01:45] lspci in a terminal can tell you what specific chipsets you have [01:45] I'll do that as soon as I can get to a terminal [01:45] Doranwen: intel hardware typically supports linux well [01:47] * Doranwen nods [01:47] I'm running Intel on this box [01:48] lol, bad wording [01:48] but you know what I mean [01:48] * Doranwen waits for base system to install [01:48] I've got this half-knowledge--I can google a good number of issues and solve them, but throw me a video driver issue and I'm lost [01:49] thanks for your patience :) [01:53] Doranwen: i hear you.. it can be challenging [01:54] just knowing that the xp support is really irrelevant.. and that there is always the vesa driver.. and how to see what chipsets you have can help [01:54] Doranwen: xp support is good for determining if the hardware is funcitoning properly [01:54] if this is reliable, it gives some info: https://www.dell.com/downloads/emea/products/inspn/inspn_1100_uk.pdf [01:54] yeah, they said it worked--just slow [01:55] which I believe [01:55] given the specs, lol [01:55] Doranwen: you have it maxed out to 512 ram? [01:56] with those specs, i would probably stick with something like puppy linux.. though, if you can get lubuntu installed, there really is not many lighter full-featured distros [01:58] or, i would just not run x on it.. have a headless server kind of thing.. a test machine [01:59] these are nice and easy for that.. http://www.turnkeylinux.org/ [02:00] no, it's still 256 [02:00] I'll recommend they max it out [02:00] but I'd have to order the memory first [02:00] and just looked at it today [02:01] they'll need graphics [02:01] this is an older woman who knows nothing about computers [02:01] she just checks her e-mail and logs into her bank [02:01] that's about it [02:01] they? [02:01] doesn't even watch videos [02:01] couple [02:01] id recommend "they" replace it [02:01] this is her laptop [02:01] lol [02:01] I recommend that too, but we'll see [02:01] these days hardware is so cheap/free [02:01] I told them to at least upgrade *his* [02:01] his is better than hers [02:01] she could use hers then [02:02] blech [02:02] i got 2 netbooks recently for $20 (total) [02:02] too many pronouns [02:02] 4 times the specs of that machine, and out of the box linux support [02:02] Doranwen: have you tried puppy linux? [02:03] Doranwen: puppy will be "tolerable" on there [02:03] down right responsive.. [02:04] I've heard of it [02:05] tried it some years ago on a really old laptop [02:05] that *is* a really old laptop ;) [02:05] that ultimately did fine upgrading to 256 mb with xubuntu [02:05] lol [02:05] this is [02:05] I should try it [02:05] 256 is quite low for newer OS's [02:05] i mean, like i said, not much lighter than lubuntu.. with package management and all that that is easy [02:06] this was probably 6-7 years ago [02:06] the ubuntu base.. and all that [02:06] * Doranwen nods [02:06] but, puppy is for that specific case [02:06] and damn small linux [02:06] if the graphics can be sorted out to make 'em work, I'd prefer to stick to an ubuntu base, because I'm used to *buntu derivatives [02:06] yeah, I tried that one back then too [02:06] but not recently [02:06] there is also bodhi linux [02:06] based on an older ubuntu base.. might be "better" on there [02:07] it will run but barely [02:07] you can try anything 12.04 based, and the backend is still supported (basically) [02:08] like lxle is based on 12.04 and based on lubuntu [02:08] id say, if its for a tinkerer, its find.. but, if you are giving this to a casual xp user, they are going to hit an issue, and give up [02:08] yeah, lxle is a little lighter as well.. and an ubuntu base.. [02:09] if graphics driver was dropped [02:09] well, gaming is out on that hardware.. so the vesa driver would be fine [02:09] all she needs is a browser to get to her e-mail, and a basic word-type program to type the occasional document [02:10] running a browser will be hard with 256 [02:10] so I don't really care *what* I put on there as long as it uses the whole screen, lol [02:10] * Doranwen nods [02:10] maybe one tab max [02:10] sure, but thats just one issue [02:10] she's been doing it with 256 mb, so I don't think she cares [02:10] she will though, when it doesnt function properly, or as expected [02:10] its not going to a tinkerer [02:10] xp surely must use more resources than some of those oses [02:10] Doranwen: sure.. but its well supported by xp [02:11] lol this is true [02:11] driver support can make stability [02:11] but they're not willing to live with XP [02:11] because it's not supported anymore [02:11] and everyone's freaking out about that [02:11] sure.. but, thats what is promised for that hardware [02:11] worse comes to worse, she has to quit using it [02:11] and get a new laptop [02:11] but I'd like to at least attempt this first [02:11] theres no doubt you can tinker around and make linux work there [02:12] but, can she? === UltimateNate is now known as TheUltimateCup [02:12] and, why would she? when you can literally dig better hardware from the trash [02:12] Doranwen: you can take that machine to bestbuy, and they give you $100 for it, in the US [02:12] towards the purchase of a new machine... [02:12] seriously? [02:12] that might be better for the non-tinkerer [02:13] * Doranwen hadn't heard of that one [02:13] i mean, again.. no doubt you *can* make that machine work.. [02:13] I have seen better hardware for sale for 40 on craigslist [02:13] i bought 2 netbooks for $10 a pop [02:13] did nothing but install lubuntu and xubuntu on them.. they work great [02:30] I can find cheap desktops there, but not laptops [02:30] well, $50 is cheap [02:30] so that's not too bad [02:30] but anyway, I'll see what I can do with what they have, and try to talk them into getting something better [02:31] the husband's laptop is better specs overall, they'd probably do great to get him something new, and transform his into something for the wife [02:31] and jettison this old thing [02:39] At least it isn't something like my grandparets got that probably couldn't get lubuntu on because not enoguh hard drive space with 2 gigabyte hard drive and had no ethernet port so couldn't connect to internet [02:40] wow [02:40] my dad was adamant in not giving them linux but going from windows 98 to 7 is still quite a jump [02:42] wow yeah [02:42] we upgraded in increments === TheUltimateCup is now known as UltimateNate [02:42] * Doranwen still remembers Windows 3.11 [02:42] ok, install done, rebooting [02:44] lol, this time it's at least centered in the middle of the screen--but still only 640x480 [02:44] next step has to do with that xorg.conf? === UltimateNate is now known as [O]UltimateNate [03:37] holstein: I tried copying the xorg.conf, it blackscreened on reboot--any suggestions on what I should try tweaking? [03:37] I've got a commandline now, and I'm fairly comfortable with vi so don't mind tweaking that way [03:55] I did convince them, btw, to get a new laptop and let the wife use the husband's old one [03:55] this one I'd still like to get working, bare basics, and give it to some elementary kid to type reports on [03:56] I ended up getting my grandparents an all in one [03:56] it'd cost $20 just to get the memory upgraded, so if the kid wants that, I'd be happy to order it, upgrade, and presto! they've got a *really* basic laptop [03:56] but it still bugs me that I can't get the graphics to work right on this [03:57] I tested both Puppy Linux and DSL, too [03:57] Puppy Linux was WEIRD graphically [03:57] it loaded all right [03:57] but letters were missing all over the place [03:57] like the welcome message was missing the L's and such [03:57] very odd [03:58] DSL complained about the same video mode, but the boot options are dizzying, no idea which to try [03:58] so it's still sitting on that [03:58] and I'm moving onto other things, but if someone has any ideas, call my name and I'll poke my head back in :) [04:11] Doranwen: are you sure its not broken hardware? [04:12] it ran XP fine, and you said that showed the hardware wasn't busted [04:18] Doranwen: when setting up puppy, you chose the vesa driver? as a test? [04:18] also, you can look, by runing lspci, and let us know what hardware you have [04:18] !paste [04:18] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [04:19] oh, I didn't install puppy, just booted off the hdd [04:19] *cd [04:19] I mean [04:19] whatever the default [04:19] just to see how it handled [04:19] it didn't present me with any options [04:19] Doranwen: sure.. *dont* install.. just try the vesa driver specifically [04:19] I can't remember right now, the DSL disc is in the drive now [04:19] Doranwen: it will present you with the option for the vesa driver [04:19] thats the fail safe driver.. [04:21] ok, right now I'm confused--you want to try tweaking the xorg.conf that you linked me to before? or try booting puppy instead of that? [04:21] Doranwen: puppy allows you to set up a fail safe environment [04:21] Doranwen: there are 2 things i would like for you to do [04:21] Doranwen: pastebin the output of lspci, and share what hardware is in the unit [04:21] then, try and get the vesa driver to work [04:22] * Doranwen blinks at laptop [04:22] DSL actually is using the full screen [04:22] * ianorlin sometimes wishes pastebinit was installed by defualt [04:22] by default [04:22] I'd had it booting, just told it to continue when it said undefined video mode [04:23] Doranwen: sure.. so, you can now look and see if there is an xorg.conf in place.. see what driver is being used.. make a note of the kernel version and graphics modules [04:23] Doranwen: thats just a message [04:23] Doranwen: "undefined video mode" [04:23] I'll see if I can't get on here via IRC there [04:23] * Doranwen nods [04:23] http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=19897 [04:23] for example ^ [04:24] Optionally, add vga=788 or vga=ask to the kernel boot line. [04:24] it defaults to booting with vga=788 [04:24] Lubuntu did [04:24] Doranwen: i force it [04:24] I spotted that in the parameters [04:24] ah [04:24] Doranwen: i dont wait or trust defaults.. not on this level [04:24] oh right [04:24] 788 is 800x600 [04:24] I actually forced it to 791 [04:24] the 1024x768 [04:24] that's what I did [04:25] where do you find what these numbers mean? [04:25] DSL has a mode option [04:25] F3 when you load it [04:25] and it gives a whole table [04:25] yup [04:25] color depth one way, resolution the other [04:25] you just have to configure it as you want.. and test [04:25] I picked 16 bit with 1024x768 [04:25] it goes up to 24 bit, I wasn't sure if I should try that [04:25] *then* you move on to the other issues.. .hopefully not taking 5 hours a piece [04:28] lol yeah [04:28] bah, I can't copy from the terminal there [04:28] I'd paste into pastebin, but there's no way to copy [04:28] that I can find, at least [04:29] is there a command I don't know about? both Ctrl+C and Ctrl+Shift+C just create a new line with a prompt, there's no right-click ability [04:30] Doranwen if you could install clipit then I think you could pipe output to that and then print it with clipit -p [04:30] the dsl user is me but I'm really not liking the IRC client on there--I can't tell what channel I'm in, even [04:31] no list of users, no clear anything [04:31] Doranwen: does she care about the IRC? [04:32] make sure you aim for the target audience.. [04:32] no--I'm trying to work with it to get you the output of the hardware [04:32] and I can't [04:32] it's impossible to use [04:32] I think the colors are out of whack [04:32] very likely [04:32] probably using the wrong set [04:33] the one option I can think of is to boot back into Lubuntu, get to the command prompt, delete the xorg.conf I tested, and reboot into Lubuntu, *then* try to figure out how to pastebin from there and I can type the pastebin link over here, IRC or no [04:34] you can do that from the live CD [04:34] that might take a few min [04:34] you dont need to boot into anything to remove the xorg.conf [04:34] oh, true, right [04:34] I was going to do that before I tried fiddling with IRC [04:34] and forgot [04:34] this is frying my brain [04:34] but, you can try adding those kernel mode lines, and address the message at boot [04:35] I get easily confused about what I'm trying to do if I'm switching tasks every little bit with an unfamiliar problem [04:35] Doranwen: its challenging.. thats why i try and equate it to a team of proffessionals that dell paid for XP support [04:35] um there is weechat for command line irc if you have network and tty working on lubuntu [04:35] Doranwen: but, they are allowed to call the manufacturer and get information and/or drivers [04:36] I can't find the hard drive in this live cd [04:36] command prompt sends me in circles [04:36] Doranwen: might not be mounted [04:37] trying various commands got me to mtab [04:37] which doesn't seem to list the hdd anywhere [04:38] at least, not that I recognize it [04:38] I am so lost with this [04:39] might be best going back to Lubuntu [04:39] I know I can find it there [04:39] cool [04:39] i gotta crash.. goog luck, and keep us posted. [05:01] hello? [10:45] Hello there =) I was hoping someone here could help me with a problem I'm having with "mtPaint graphic editor". When I try to crop a larger picture I get an allocation error. English isn't the native language used in the program so I'll try and translate the error: http://pastebin.com/GKYTiJFq [10:46] WildSoft: try pinta [10:47] Is that another package? [10:49] Lazy me, was quick to find out [10:52] Is it easy to use? I'm not the one going to use the computer but easily cropping pictures was high on their list. Tried all sorts of other programs like Gimp, but nothing was as easy to figure out as mtPaint. Just mark and press "Del". But I'll try Pinta and see. Thanks [10:52] pinta-project.com present in the repository [10:53] The second problem I'm having is accessing the windows partitions. The machine is dualbooted with Windows 8 and even though I shut down Windows properly I can't access the Windows partition or the second NTFS drive (another physical drive). [10:53] it is simple in pinta. select then Image - Cut selected (or some like this ) [10:53] thank you JohnDoe_71Rus =) I'll try it [12:15] hi [12:15] I want to autorun some xrandr commands for all my users whenever LXDE is started. [12:15] tried adding them to the /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart file but that didn't work. [12:16] specifically, I have two monitors and I need the xrandr to make them do useful things. [12:21] create a script and a .desktop that you can add to /etc/xdg/autostart [12:22] so I have to use .desktop files? [12:22] I thought it was enough to add my commands to the autostart file. [12:22] I would recommend it [12:23] fair enough. I just don't understand why adding the commands directly to the file didn't work. [12:23] as the autostart file might be updated with an package update [12:23] pucas: I am not sure if this is still used in 14.04 as there were lots of changes in lxsession (and I did not keep track of it) [12:24] hm yes. I am using 14. [12:24] and the .desktop stuff always works on any freedesktop.org complaint desktop [12:24] *compliant [12:24] ok, that sounds good. I will try that. thanks. [12:26] pucas I suggest you to use disper and disper-indicator it works for me [12:27] disper is like arandr [12:27] but i think in lubuntu disper is better [12:35] thanks for the tip, comics_idees. [12:35] I'm also experiencing some intermittent freezing problems. what is a good way to troubleshoot? [12:35] would dmesg be a place to look? [12:35] I also have freezing sometimes [12:36] I dont know how to fix it [12:36] I think that we must find a way to kill processes that freeze [12:36] system [12:37] it just happened. I think the problem may be the keyboard and mouse isn't found for some reason. [12:37] maybe it is the processes that do not work properly [12:37] and freeze system [12:38] I wish there was an app that kills automatically any process to freeze system so the system never freezes [12:38] but nobody creates this app [12:39] but the freezing process will freeze the app too [12:47] yes but somehow the system should prevent this process to run [12:47] should stop it [13:52] why can't i open run dialog when i type alt+F2? I just upgraded to 14.04. [14:47] is it a way to add vnc server to lubuntu and vnc client to a windows pc and connect the 2 computers? [17:57] hi I have an issue with sound in lubuntu [17:58] I have an external sound system and I use the sound out jack to connect it tou laptop [17:58] to [17:58] not tou [17:58] but with lubuntu the sound volume is too low [17:58] from jack to external system [17:59] I open the volume to large level and the sound is still very low volume [17:59] I increase the volume but it is still very low [17:59] should I download a program or a driver [18:00] to have better sound? [18:01] the sound is ok if I listen from laptop speakers [18:01] but it is very low if I connect laptop to external sound system [18:02] in fact the external system has increased volume but the laptop input has very low volume [18:02] I tried audacious [18:02] should I install another software [18:03] for better sound? [18:03] in alsamixer did you turn down volume input? [18:03] is that at max? [18:03] should I install alsamixer? [18:04] you need some kind of mixer to tweak. [18:04] it is by default in lubuntu [18:04] in audacious has some choices alsa, or pulseaudio or other choices. What should I choose [18:04] ? [18:05] I must check alsa mixer then [18:05] comics_idees- goto menu>accessories >LXTerminal [18:05] comics_idees- then type alsamixer and enter> [18:05] ok [18:05] press when done/exit [18:05] im leaving. [18:05] good luck comics_idees [18:05] bye [18:06] thanks [18:06] comics_idees- thx ianorlindesktop ;) [18:06] o/ === Mr_Comet is now known as Cometz|Away [18:06] what settings should I put to alsamixer? [18:07] press f4 to get to capture [18:08] which software should I use for mp3 playing? [18:08] mp3 codecs aren't installed by default but you can get them with the lubuntu-restricted-extras package [18:09] there are silly legal reasons for no mp3 unfortanetly [18:09] I see [18:09] should I install lame? [18:09] isn't that for encoding which I don't know much about [18:10] lame is needed in audacity to handle mp3 files [18:11] apt-get synaptic or software center usually handles dependencies but not sure of details [18:17] do I need something like a driver? [18:19] it is generally all included in the kernel [18:40] I found alsamixer but I do not know which bar to increase [18:41] what are you trying to do again? [18:42] alsamixer should at least show master up and either headphone or speaker depending on which you're using, comics_idees [18:42] I think he was talking about input sound [18:42] he did say something about mp3 playing [18:42] I want to use outpout jack [18:42] and connect to an external aux [18:42] system [18:42] you want to use jack as your sound server you mean? [18:43] no I use it as jack [18:43] I connect the cables [18:43] and you plug it in the mic output? [18:43] no [18:43] in the other output [18:43] what other output? [18:43] I plug the cables to headphones output [18:44] headphones are output [18:44] so again, are you trying to do output or input? [18:44] and I then plug the other end of cables to the aux system [18:44] so I try to use output [18:44] not input [18:44] right, so make sure the headphones output is up [18:44] (in alsamixer) [18:45] . [18:45] adjust your external device as needed === Cometz|Away is now known as Cometz [18:45] yes that is what I try to findout the headphone output in alsamixer [18:45] where can I adjust the headphone output in alsamixer? [18:45] if you have a small screen you may need to scroll to the right [18:45] and how I adjust it? [18:46] arrow keys [18:46] yes [18:46] and how alsamixer calls the headphone output? [18:46] line? or linejack [18:46] depends [18:46] ??? [18:47] hit f3 to go to playback [18:47] typically it's "headphone" but your soundcard may specify something else, like mic jack or line out or line or whatever [18:47] see this pic https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SB-WGqmaA9U/S8gwvh9fvdI/AAAAAAAAAPE/sRcJNv8ELng/s1600/Alsamixer.png [18:47] there it's called heaphone [18:48] I find two line the one is called line and the second linejack [18:48] note the OO at the bottom— that means unmuted [18:48] if you hit f3, which one of them do you see? [18:49] wait I try it again and I come back to tell you [18:49] here's one where they call it line http://www.linuxfocus.org/common/images/article259/alsamixer.gif [18:49] again, soundcard changes things [18:50] this one has line and linejack http://artemisa.unicauca.edu.co/~pmage/images/alsamixer_jack_off.jpg [18:51] where line jack only turns the output on or off. so you want that unmuted, as well as the line unmuted and levelled up [18:54]