[00:09] <popey> penguin42: yeah, can do
[00:10] <popey> ali1234: irc ops team, dunno who runs the log server though
[00:10] <popey> penguin42: I'm convinced it's chrome
[00:10] <popey> but the web browser shouldn't be able to take down the entire stack.
[00:11] <popey> penguin42: alt-sysrq works, ping responds, nothing else does, i left an ssh running last night but it just timed out when the box became unresponsive
[00:11] <popey> will leave a vmstat running tonight
[00:13] <penguin42> popey: Yeh, the vmstat should show if it swaps itself to death, which is the only thing chrome should be able to do to be nasty
[00:13] <popey> I suspect GPU killing stuff
[00:13] <popey> not swapping
[00:14] <popey> I cannot believe 8 tabs will cause swap on 16GB machine
[00:14] <penguin42> yeh I'd agree with GPU, and chrome might easily do something different to it
[00:15]  * popey ssh's in and runs "vmstat 5 | tee -a ~/vmstat.log" in byobu
[00:15] <popey> that way if ssh drops out it will still be running
[00:16] <penguin42> popey: netconsole is worth a try, if alt-sysrq responds then the kernel isn't entirely dead, and netconsole could get you log messages
[00:16] <popey> netconsole looked complicated ☻
[00:16] <daftykins> heh you guys ever encountered programs that scan a filesystem quicker when minimised due to not needing to show the file path progress? XD
[00:16] <popey> yes
[00:17] <penguin42> popey: Yeh, only for bugs that don't respond to being shouted at
[00:17] <popey> also file transfer gonig faster when minimised
[00:17] <daftykins> O_O
[00:17] <popey> rsyncing a directory full of tiny files
[00:17] <daftykins> almost suggests a blocking progress bar
[00:18] <penguin42> you get dumb things like guis that force a refresh on each file, so that with lots of files it redraws everytime
[00:18] <popey> hello compiz!
[00:20] <daftykins> hehe
[00:21] <popey> clearing out disk space...
[00:22] <popey> VID_20140305_171330.mp4 which is a video of daftykins cycling along the path
[00:22] <daftykins> :D
[00:22] <popey> \o/ 6G freed up
[00:22] <popey> ls
[00:22] <popey> oops
[00:25] <daftykins> should get my disks and enclosure this week
[00:25] <daftykins> i'm torn because i know now would be the ideal time to jump ship from my current NTFS array
[00:27] <daftykins> anyone had any experience with some good HDD burn-in methodology?
[00:27] <popey> whoohoo, deleted another 15G of crap
[00:27] <popey> /home/alan/.Private  224G  195G   29G  88% /home/alan
[00:27] <popey> much better
[00:27] <penguin42> yeh copy your critical data to the drives, get comfortable that they're stable, and then turn the other system off - then it'll fail if it's going to
[00:28] <daftykins> mm but last build i did i had a disk or two die pretty early on
[00:29] <daftykins> which was quite a shock given they were/are RAID edition ones from WD
[00:29] <daftykins> granted the RAID5 build process on a 3ware works them out by going through everything first time, but i could probably do with hitting them a little harder
[00:29] <penguin42> I think the RAID edition stuff is primarily to do with thermal recal times and longgevity, not young death
[00:29] <daftykins> last time was controller to controller, this time it'll be unit to unit on the same card
[00:30] <daftykins> not sure i follow?
[00:30] <penguin42> daftykins: OK what is a 'RAID edition' ?
[00:31] <daftykins> a specific subtype of WD hard disks certified for higher MTBF
[00:31] <daftykins> they have 5 year warranties typically
[00:31] <penguin42> are you sure it's primarily about higher MTBF?
[00:32] <penguin42> I'm just saying that there are other things that are desirable for a RAID
[00:32] <daftykins> hmm, not really - more so just certified for 24/7 operation
[00:33] <penguin42> daftykins: There are some things in drive firmware that some of the drives that claim being good for a RAID do differently; in particular limiting the length of time they retry on a soft error
[00:33] <daftykins> sounds like that TLER function
[00:34]  * penguin42 googles - yes
[00:34] <popey> Bed. Nn
[00:34] <daftykins> o/
[00:34] <daftykins> i should really do some reading before i set this one up
[00:35] <daftykins> may be some functions in the firmware that are advised against or what not
[00:35] <penguin42> daftykins: also I'm not sure that better lifetime is anymore of a prediction of whether a drive will fail in it's very early life
[00:36] <daftykins> sure, but i hadn't ever had new disks pop so soon before :)
[00:37] <daftykins> it's funny that i'm upgrading but yet again i'll actually be reducing power consumption
[00:37] <penguin42> daftykins: sometimes you do get bad ones, maybe they had a rough ride somewhere between the factory and your desk, who knows
[01:00] <maps|wrk> everyone off work tomorrow i take it?
[01:12] <daftykins> :D
[01:12] <daftykins> seems so
[01:17] <Krenair> Is gedit broken on 14.04?
[01:18] <Krenair> On my laptop everything on each menu is disabled
[01:19] <Krenair> ... I was about to say all of it's menus are gone missing entirely on my desktop, but seems that applies to all programs I have open :|
[01:23] <Krenair> Also on my desktop I can no longer click on the icon in the top right to get to system settings/shut down/lock/etc.
[01:27] <Nykyrian> Hello
[01:28] <Nykyrian> I'm in need of some help
[01:29] <daftykins> Krenair: you really ask at the worst times :)
[01:29] <Nykyrian> Oh really?
[01:29] <daftykins> Nykyrian: oh but it's 2:30am... consider here or #ubuntu
[01:29] <Krenair> yeah I know :/
[01:29] <Krenair> think I'll just try restarting
[01:29] <Nykyrian> Oh wow, I'm in California
[01:30] <Nykyrian> it's 6:30 pm
[01:30] <daftykins> Krenair: backup your data and clean install, your install was really busted the other night :)
[01:30] <daftykins> Nykyrian: how come you came into a UK channel then? :)
[01:30] <Nykyrian> No one in usa
[01:30] <daftykins> #ubuntu is 24/7
[01:31] <daftykins> anywho must sleep, nn \o
[01:31] <daftykins> maps|wrk: have a good shift
[01:33] <maps|wrk> cya daftykins
[01:34] <maps|wrk> Krenair: fixed?
[01:35] <Krenair> maps|wrk, well the issue on my desktop is gone
[01:35] <Krenair> (I simply restarted that)
[01:35] <Krenair> laptop's gedit is still broken
[01:36] <maps|wrk> what about removing gedit and try reinstalling
[01:39] <Krenair> The following packages will be REMOVED
[01:39] <Krenair>   gedit ubuntu-desktop
[01:39] <Krenair> hmm
[01:39] <Krenair> That doesn't look like what I want to do
[01:39] <Krenair> maps|wrk, how do you remove gedit without touching anything else?
[01:39] <maps|wrk> ah not sure :(
[01:39] <maps|wrk> lets see
[01:40] <maps|wrk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1375827
[01:41] <maps|wrk> If the user is experiencing problems with gedit, it may be preferable to first reset the user's preferences by removing the user's .config/gedit folder rather than attempting to remove the entire application and the ubuntu-desktop metapackage. Learn more about Ubuntu's MetaPackages.
[01:41] <Krenair> maps|wrk, ran "mv .config/gedit .config/gedit_old"
[01:42] <Krenair> opened gedit, same issue
[01:42] <maps|wrk> grmpf
[01:56] <maps|wrk> can u take a screenshot of it
[01:56] <Krenair> not easily
[01:56] <Krenair> taking a screenshot closes the menu
[01:57] <Krenair> oh, I can delay the screenshot. one sec
[01:59] <Krenair> maps|wrk, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10971457/Gedit%20menus%20disabled.png
[02:00] <maps|wrk> ah no
[02:00] <ali1234> what's actually wrong?
[02:00] <maps|wrk> Application Blocked  Access to the application you were trying to use has been blocked in accordance with company policy. Please contact your system administrator if you believe this is in error.
[02:00] <ali1234> all menus are disabled?
[02:00] <ali1234> try disabling global menus
[02:01] <ali1234> quit all gedit windows, open shell, run the following command:
[02:01] <ali1234> UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=no gedit
[02:01] <ali1234> gedit menus should be inside the window like in a normal desktop
[02:01] <ali1234> see if they now work
[02:02] <ali1234> although this might cause gedit to go into "funky gnome shell mode" in which case something else might happen to the menus, but in any case, they won't be in the top panel, and they might start working
[02:02] <ali1234> Krenair: ^
[02:03] <ali1234> also you might need to run "unset UBUNTU_MENUPROXY; gedit"
[02:03] <ali1234> i'm not sure how the variable is handled internally
[02:04] <ali1234> or possibly "UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=0 gedit"
[02:04] <Krenair> ali1234, yep, they work with UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=no set
[02:05] <ali1234> good. so you've found a bug in ubuntu's global menu
[02:06] <ali1234> do you have ubuntu-gnome installed?
[02:06] <ali1234> this sounds like bug 1277888
[02:07] <Krenair> ali1234, aptitude says it can't find that package
[02:07] <Krenair> so no
[02:08] <ali1234> it isn't a package, but in any case, you'd know if you had it
[02:08] <ali1234> perhaps you have the affected library installed without having all the whole ubuntu-gnome
[02:09] <ali1234> any PPAs?
[02:09] <Krenair> For some reason I don't get this issue on LibreOffice (the example in that bug you linked), just gedit
[02:10] <ali1234> hmm... well, sublte variation on the same thing
[02:12] <ali1234> did you upgrade or clean install?
[02:13] <Krenair> upgrade
[02:13] <Krenair> (very very unclean upgrade. as in the system was unbootable for a while until daftykins helped out)
[02:13] <ali1234> ah
[02:13] <ali1234> any idea why that happened?
[02:15] <Krenair> Some failure part way through the process, then recovery mode insisted on running fsck before doing anything
[02:15] <Krenair> but fsck just got stuck
[02:15] <ali1234> so my recommendation is to disable all PPAs and verify all repository information
[02:16] <Krenair> some other issues which I forget, but I ended up completing the update by mounting the drive from a live cd and running the package manager under chroot
[02:16] <ali1234> it may be easier to just do a clean install
[02:16] <Krenair> then I could boot and finish updating some remaining bits
[02:17] <Krenair> Ended up with a few issues - two lock screens (fixed by removing gnome-screensaver), gedit menus disabled, weird white box around the login prompt, weird white box on the alternative clocks below the calendar
[02:17] <ali1234> right, it sounds very much like you have some bits of ubuntu-gnome installed that you shouldn't have
[02:20] <ali1234> so at this point a reinstall is almost certainly going to be easier, but if you want i'll walk you through verification steps
[02:21] <Krenair> For relatively minor issues like these I'd prefer to avoid reinstalling...
[02:21] <ali1234> haha
[02:21] <ali1234> well, okay, first step: check if there are any files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[02:23] <Krenair> few things e.g. dropbox, chrome, google-talkplugin, steam...
[02:23] <Krenair> nothing mentioning gnome
[02:23] <ali1234> hmm...
[02:24] <ali1234> okay, next step, sanity check /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:24] <ali1234> every line should say "trusty" and not "saucy" or "raring" or anything like that
[02:24] <Krenair> everything in there is for trusty, except some commented lines
[02:25] <ali1234> what do the commented lines say?
[02:25] <Krenair> optional lines for Canonical's 'partner' repository
[02:26] <ali1234> okay, that's fine
[02:26] <Krenair> wasn't enabled beforehand so wasn't touched by the upgrade process
[02:26] <ali1234> right, next step: sudo apt-get install apt-show-sources
[02:26] <ali1234> sorry, apt-show-versions
[02:26] <Krenair> one thing disabled on upgrade to trusty: mariadb repo for precise
[02:26] <ali1234> did you go 12.04 -> 14.04?
[02:27] <Krenair> no... hm, what?
[02:28] <ali1234> precise to trusty
[02:28] <Krenair> why did I have a precise repo listed while I was on saucy?
[02:28] <ali1234> i don't know
[02:28] <ali1234> what was the first version you installed?
[02:28] <Krenair> Pretty sure it was saucy on this machine
[02:29] <ali1234> sometimes you just have to use the old PPAs because they don't get updated
[02:29] <Krenair> yeah, was probably that
[02:30] <Krenair> okay, I have apt-show-versions
[02:30] <ali1234> so now "sudo apt-get update" if you haven't recently
[02:31] <ali1234> then apt-show-versions | grep 'No available version'
[02:31] <ali1234> apt-show-versions | grep 'No available version' | pastebinit
[02:31] <ali1234> and then post the link
[02:32] <Krenair> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7396363
[02:34] <ali1234> hmm..... no smoking guns in there unfortunately
[02:37] <ali1234> maybe we're overlooking something obvious here. have you tried creating a new user account, and logging in with that user?
[02:40] <Krenair> ali1234, made a new user, logged in, same issues
[02:41] <ali1234> damn
[02:41] <ali1234> okay, well here's the next step, but it will take ages
[02:41] <maps|wrk> have you tried the forums?
[02:41] <maps|wrk> often find someone else had same issue and theres help on there
[02:41] <ali1234> i googled it, found not very much
[02:42] <ali1234> except that this happens if you have the wrong gtk version
[02:42] <ali1234> so anyway: sudo apt-get install debsums
[02:42] <ali1234> sudo debsums | grep -v OK
[02:42] <ali1234> this will take ages. it will verify that the installed files in the filesystem actually match what is inside the debs
[02:43] <ali1234> if it outputs nothing then all is OK
[02:44] <ali1234> of course there's always a chance that you have extra, untracked files... but that's the next step
[02:50] <maps|wrk> hmm has he gone
[02:50] <ali1234> probably it is taking ages like i said...
[02:51] <ali1234> it's going to md5sum pretty much every file
[02:51] <ali1234> won't be fast on a laptop
[02:52] <maps|wrk> ah
[02:53] <Krenair> am still here
[02:53] <ali1234> takes about 30 seconds on a quad core system with SSD and 16GB RAM
[02:53] <Krenair> oh, looks like it finished
[02:54] <Krenair> lists 'FAILED' next to /boot/vmlinuz-3.11.0-12-generic
[02:54] <ali1234> huh, that's *really* fishy
[02:54] <Krenair> couldn't open some files due to too many levels of symlinks
[02:54] <ali1234> that is also really fishy
[02:54] <Krenair> but that's it
[02:54] <ali1234> can you pastebin the output please?
[02:56] <Krenair> http://pastebin.com/jY1BmmmX
[02:57] <ali1234> hmm. just some sendmail junk. not harmful at all. vmlinuz is a bit more suspicious
[02:57] <ali1234> what does uname -a say?
[02:57] <Krenair> Linux alex-laptop 3.11.0-20-generic #34-Ubuntu SMP Tue Apr 1 20:40:25 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[02:57] <ali1234> hmm, well that's wrong for starters
[02:58] <ali1234> but it isn't the broken one
[02:58] <ali1234> unless the filename is wrong
[02:58] <ali1234> trusty should get you 3.13.0-8-generic #28-Ubuntu
[03:00] <Krenair> ali1234, wow, I just checked the software updater. A lot of packages to update...
[03:00] <ali1234> hmm.................. well update them!
[03:01] <Krenair> I thought it was all done :/
[03:01] <ali1234> if you interrupted the install, it probably still has to install loads of packages
[03:01] <ali1234> i assumed you'd already done this ...
[03:01] <ali1234> thi is almost certainly the problem
[03:02] <ali1234> although to be fair the "apt-check-versions" step was supposed to check this, but i guess it doesn't work quite how i thought
[03:03] <ali1234> interrupted upgrades can also put you into a "partial update" situation, where not all updates can be installed in one go
[03:04] <ali1234> that's probably what happened here
[03:04] <Krenair> ali1234, I thought I had done this too.
[03:36] <Krenair> ali1234, yeah everything seems fixed
[03:37] <Krenair> although I am getting the odd 'System program problem detected' dialog
[03:37] <ali1234> it can mean things crashed in the past and the report is still in /var/crash
[03:37] <ali1234> and if it is huge it will never upload properly and just keep showing the error
[03:38] <Krenair> so rm the file in /var/crash and see if it still happens?
[03:39] <ali1234> if it keeps on doing it for the same program, yeah
[03:39] <ali1234> or if there's loads of old crashes in there
[03:40] <Krenair> hmm... seems okay now
[03:40] <Krenair> thanks ali1234
[03:40] <ali1234> cool. i'm going to bed then
[03:40] <Krenair> g'night
[04:59] <mapp> morning
[05:18] <shauno> I thought it was meant to be May :/  miserable out there
[06:00] <mapp> hmm
[06:00] <mapp> its sunny here
[06:00] <mapp> bit cold though
[08:10] <Guest71016> hi I am having a problem with M compaq presario V4000
[08:10] <Guest71016> it say that hardware switch is disabled
[08:10] <Guest71016> so I have no wifi
[08:11] <Guest71016> anyone?
[08:17] <Richard_> Richard
[08:17] <Richard_> hi I am having a problem with My compaq presario V4000 it say that hardware switch is disabled so I have no wifi
[08:20] <jussi> Richard_: does your machine have a wifi switch? have you tried changing its position?
[08:21] <Richard_> yes i have tried that still the same
[08:22] <Richard_> i have also tryed to enabled it by boting from a cd
[08:22] <Richard_> and reset the bios to default
[08:23] <jussi> Ive heard some need the windws driver to reset the firmware or so, b ut no idea if that applies to you...
[08:24] <Richard_> it is a serious bug in the ubuntu kernel
[08:24] <Richard_> a lots of people are having this hardware switch disabled
[08:25] <jussi> Richard_: Ive no idea to be honest where the bug is. most likely with the manufacturer not makingg certain specifiactions available
[08:27] <Richard_> it must be a way to enable the wifi or Ubuntu become useless on a lots os machine
[08:29] <Richard_> well i guess I will have to try linux mint to see if it recognise the wifi
[09:11] <foobarry> theres an askubuntu article about this
[09:13] <foobarry> what is the wifi card Richard_
[09:26] <Richard_> how do I found out
[09:27] <Richard_> how would i know whatis my wifi card
[09:28] <popey> Richard_: does "rfkill list" show the wifi as blocked?
[09:30] <Richard_> here it is
[09:30] <Richard_> 0: phy0: Wireless LAN
[09:30] <Richard_> 	Soft blocked: no
[09:30] <Richard_> 	Hard blocked: yes
[09:31] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/155391/my-wireless-is-hard-blocked
[09:31] <popey> seen that?
[09:31] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/151098/wi-fi-doesnt-work-hard-blocked also
[09:34] <Richard_> ok thk you, hold on i am trying the steps
[09:38] <Richard_> ok I have done the steps, i am rebooting to see if it work
[10:06] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:24] <Richard> Richard
[10:24] <Guest68048> richard
[10:24] <Guest68048> ok ihave done all the steps in http://askubuntu.com/questions/151098/wi-fi-doesnt-work-hard-blocked
[10:25] <Guest68048> Richard   and still hadware switch disabled
[10:25] <Guest68048> so no wifi
[10:25] <Guest68048> anyone has a solution
[10:26] <Guest68048> wifi is disabled by hardware switch
[10:28] <DJones> Hmmh, Different Dave Walker, but seems relevant http://davewalker.cc/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/my-various-hammers-1024x822.gif
[10:32] <Guest68048> ok is there a solution i am so fuming for the last three days i am trying to solve this
[10:32] <Guest68048> and frankly i have enough
[10:32] <Guest68048> maybe i should go back to windows
[10:34] <directhex> and that is broadcom's gift to linux.
[12:14] <MooDoo> it's all soooo quiet shhhhh sshhhhhh
[12:15]  * nigelb plays Gangam Style to make some noise
[12:44] <Richard_> Richard
[12:44] <Richard_> Richard
[12:45] <Richard_> Richard       hi I am having a problem with My compaq presario V4000 it say that hardware switch is disabled so I have no wifi
[12:46] <Richard_> I still have problem with this
[12:46] <Richard_> anyone?
[12:46] <Richard_> is there anyone on this channel
[12:47] <brobostigon> be patient, if someone can help, they will answer.
[12:50] <directhex> Richard_, what did you try *exactly*?
[12:51] <Richard_> I have reset the bios to original defult setting, then I have done rfkill list, rfkill unblock 0 and 1
[12:52] <Richard_> then Ihave restarted with the cd, and enabled networking still the same
[12:53] <Richard_> deos it have to do with this  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2162026
[12:53] <Richard_> Realtek RTL8188EE Laptop Wi-Fi
[12:59] <directhex> Richard_, to confirm, it's a 2005-era laptop with Intel wireless?
[13:02] <Richard_> do you have a bin i can paste the info
[13:05] <directhex> um... paste.ubuntu.com?
[13:05] <directhex> or literally any pastebin on the internet
[13:05] <Richard_> ok here is the result
[13:05] <Richard_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7398570/
[13:06] <directhex> right, so intel 2200
[13:09] <Richard_> yes
[13:10] <directhex> i think i need to see all of dmesg. you should be able to run "dmesg | pastebinit" to automatically throw it online
[13:12] <directhex> i don't see a physical wifi disable switch on the side of that model, but there may be a Fn-key combination with a little antenna on it. let me find a photo of the keyboard
[13:12] <Richard_> ok hold on
[13:13] <Richard_> no actualy there is no combination key, but i have a wifi button
[13:13] <directhex> on the plastic, above the keyboard, to the left of the power button
[13:13] <Richard_> i have tryed without success
[13:13] <Richard_> yes i have tryed that
[13:13] <directhex> okay, the dmesg output should be informative
[13:15] <Richard_> well it say that E: Unable to locate package dmesg
[13:15] <directhex> ... what on EARTH are you typing?
[13:16] <Richard_> dmesg | pastebinit
[13:16] <directhex> mmmmm, no. your error wouldn't come from that
[13:16] <directhex> that's an error from apt-get
[13:17] <Richard_> when i typed that dmesg | pastebinit  it say that i should try with sudo pat-get
[13:18] <directhex> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[13:18] <Richard_> this is the info i get
[13:18] <Richard_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7398638/
[13:18] <Richard_> ok let me try that
[13:19] <Richard_> ahhh it is installing
[13:19] <Richard_> pastebin
[13:19] <Richard_> ok it has finish
[13:19] <Richard_> next
[13:20] <directhex> now actually run dmesg | pastebinit
[13:20] <Richard_> thk you for your help much appreciated
[13:20] <Richard_> ok hold on
[13:20] <Richard_> yes here it is http://paste.ubuntu.com/7398655/
[13:21] <directhex> [   20.786447] ipw2200: Radio Frequency Kill Switch is On:
[13:21] <directhex> [   20.786447] Kill switch must be turned off for wireless networking to work.
[13:22] <jussi> seriously, whose idea was this one... http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-27275300 ?
[13:22] <directhex> it really really believes that you've hardware-disabled wireless
[13:23] <Richard_> sorry guys i am lost
[13:24] <Richard_> i am not an ubuntu expert so go easy on me
[13:24] <robotninja> jussi, a swimming pool the colour of urine in honour of Wolves? My dad (a life-long West Brom fan) would be crying with laughter at that, thanks for the link :)
[13:24] <directhex> Richard_, your BIOS is telling ubuntu that you have disabled wifi
[13:24] <jussi> robotninja: Im sure he will. :D and you are most welcome!
[13:24] <Richard_> ok so how would I re enable it
[13:25] <directhex> Richard_, typically this is a BIOS bug. is there an updated BIOS available?
[13:25] <Richard_> by the way there is 1000 in my situation from thei nformation i GATHERED FOR THE LAST THREE DAYS
[13:25] <Richard_> well i do I update my bios from ubuntu
[13:26] <Richard_> because it works on windows
[13:26] <Richard_> i read that it is a bug with the NDISWrapper
[13:26] <directhex> no, it isn't
[13:26] <Richard_> ohh ok
[13:26] <directhex> you're not using NDISwrapper (a layer to load a windows wireless driver in linux)
[13:27] <directhex> you're using ipw2200, the official intel wireless driver written by intel
[13:27] <Richard_> ohh ok !!
[13:27] <Richard_> is there anyway i can try to spgrade or update my bios
[13:28] <directhex> check the compaq site.
[13:28] <directhex> it's not uncommon for BIOS issues to not manifest on windows, due to workarounds - for example when my laptop was first released, the brightness control didn't work in linux, until i did a BIOS update
[13:29] <Richard_> yes actualy i have this brigtness problem on my hp 6245 laptop with lubuntu on it
[13:29] <directhex> a lot of laptop companies are TERRIBLE at writing BIOSes
[13:29] <Richard_> ok let me check if compaq can help
[13:59] <Richard_> Ithink that I might have found a solution for the problem
[13:59] <Richard_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl
[14:00] <directhex> sigh.
[14:00] <directhex> NO
[14:01] <directhex> your laptop has Intel 2200BG wireless
[14:01] <directhex> installing a driver for a Broadcom wireless chip is not going to work
[14:16]  * p42phone waits for this train to go some where
[14:17] <Richard_> ohh ok so what do i need to do
[14:19] <Richard_> i have find this answer from the ubuntu forum
[14:19] <Richard_> No, you cannot. To sort of disable it you can phsically block or remove the hardware switch. There is no way to override the hardware disable button if rfkill shows hard blocked that is feasible for most people.
[14:19] <Richard_> When you unblock it, if it gets stuck in some inconsistent state your best bet is to:
[14:19] <Richard_> sudo modprobe -r iwl3945 && sudo modprobe iwl3945
[14:19] <Richard_> I have an hpdv7 and the wireless a)uses the same driver and b)hardware toggle works for me.
[14:20] <Richard_> can i remove the hardware switch or de install it
[14:20] <Richard_> i do not need it because i have the button to switch on and off my wifi
[14:23] <directhex> ....................
[14:23] <directhex> that *IS* the hardware switch
[14:24] <Richard_> yes can i remove it or de install it?
[14:24] <Richard_> ohh i see
[14:25] <Richard_> so my only solution is bios flash, can i use flashrom
[14:26] <directhex> have you found a newer BIOS?
[14:32] <Richard_> still looking
[14:35] <Richard_> yes i have it
[14:36] <Richard_> but is  the bios for xp os
[14:36] <Richard_> which was install on the laptop before
[14:38] <Richard_> it is a winflash containing the bios for my laptop model from HP website
[14:59] <Richard_>  richard
[16:00] <SuperEngineer> Just been trying 14.04 on test partition.  A lot a like. Alot prohibits me from moving away from 12.04
[16:01] <SuperEngineer> [like over 50% of apps I'm adding fail]
[16:01] <SuperEngineer> oh well, ho hum... knew I should have taken time off to test it beefore release ;)
[16:01] <daftykins> what kinds of fails are they?
[16:02]  * SuperEngineer still loves 12.04 to keep as main desktop for now... will try 14.04 again with fresh install
[16:03] <SuperEngineer> [at some time later in my 2 weeks off]... ooops did I just make anyone jealous by that "2 weeks off" bit?  ;)
[16:05] <SuperEngineer> daftykins: choose an app in software centre... ends with package install failed :(  synaptic showing no errors.
[16:06] <daftykins> how rude!
[16:06] <SuperEngineer> too many tried to report bugs now... need to narrow it down to *what* is the cause [rather than report un-needed bugs for a lot of apps]
[16:07] <SuperEngineer> - it's obviously something wrong at a "higher" leel
[16:07] <p42phone> Super engineer: back to the code face for me after a bit more than a weekoff
[16:07]  * SuperEngineer hugs 12.04 partition
[16:08] <SuperEngineer> p42phone: I'll try to keep you in mind while Ienjoy me next 2 weeks.... NOT!
[16:09] <p42phone> Bah, still been a nice rest
[16:10] <SuperEngineer> [probably bettere for you than mine will be - mine is 2 weeks sick leave [post-op on knee]
[16:10] <daftykins> ouch!
[16:10] <daftykins> old injury?
[16:11] <SuperEngineer> daftykins: years & tyears & years of knee damage... too many incidents of damage to one knee for surgeon to put in box  marked "specific cause".  ;)
[16:11] <p42phone> SuperEngineer: good luck with the op, getting cyborged?
[16:12] <SuperEngineer> let's just say life has been full, interesting & [mostly] rewarding
[16:13] <daftykins> might we have to consider you SuperDuperEngineer now if you've been upgraded?
[16:14] <SuperEngineer> op done 4 days ago - 2 days og great pain after - things now getting better  [been checking for any signs of Cyborg implants ever since... none found]
[16:14] <SuperEngineer> ...but I do seem to have an annoying habit of stopping conversations half way and telling people...
[16:14] <SuperEngineer> "you will be assimilated"
[16:15] <shauno> I guess you'd need bupa to get borg nanoprobes :/
[16:15] <SuperEngineer> ...but that's ok isn't it?
[16:15] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[16:15] <SuperEngineer> It was BUPA.
[16:16] <daftykins> i just heard the Doctor's voice from Deus Ex 1
[16:17] <SuperEngineer> High recommendations for the food as well... thinking of the hospital via kickstarter & opening a restaurant there
[16:17] <SuperEngineer> *of buying
[16:18] <daftykins> hahaha
[16:18] <SuperEngineer> daftykins:  History of the doc on beeb3 tonight [repeat of course]
[16:18] <daftykins> as in, Who? i don't watch that
[16:18]  * daftykins ducks in preparation
[16:18] <daftykins> diddledan: hi sir o/
[16:19] <shauno> lol, sure, wake dan up - that's a rather cunning distraction
[16:19] <diddledan> morning
[16:19]  * SuperEngineer sends daftykins loads of virtual Dr Who theme tune hummings
[16:20] <diddledan> oo wee ooo
[16:21] <daftykins> shauno: 8D
[16:21] <daftykins> shauno: spares me getting burnt at the stake as a non-Whovian
[16:27] <SuperEngineer> You will be assimilated!  [ooops - sorry] ;)
[16:40] <Richard_> Richard
[16:40] <daftykins> no, you're Richard!
[16:41] <Richard_> Richard Hi  i have removed the wifi card and plugged a belin wifi usb and it work but ikeep loosing the connection
[16:42] <daftykins> i see, which version of ubuntu is this?
[16:43] <SuperEngineer> Richard_: you are not the only one here... there appears to be a few others... perhaps explaining this morning might help
[16:43] <Richard_> Ubuntu 13.10
[16:45] <Richard_> ohh boy, well it is all about wifi hadware switch is disabled
[16:46] <Richard_> i have tried everything and i start to give up, maybe linux mint will work??
[16:46] <daftykins> you're certainly welcome to try any distro you like
[16:46] <daftykins> what claims the hardware switch is disabled exactly?
[16:47] <SuperEngineer> wifi hard blocked - wifi soft switch not blocked if I recall correctly?
[16:47] <SuperEngineer> I forget the command that was used
[16:47] <Richard_> yes wifi had block
[16:48] <SuperEngineer> [it was beyond me - so I did not join in]
[16:49] <Richard_> rfkill list
[16:49] <daftykins> hmm i've heard that one before but i don't know what causes it
[16:49] <Richard_> sorry  rfkill list all
[16:50] <Alex______> hmhmm
[16:50] <Alex______> Hello
[16:51] <daftykins> hi
[16:52] <Richard_> well i guess that is going to drive a lot of people of ubuntu
[16:52] <Alex______> I am using a Wifi which is a bit slow so please bear with me .
[16:53] <neuro> NEVER FEAR, I IS HERE
[16:54] <neuro> what's happenin', dudes?
[16:54] <Richard_> well hardware swith is disabled
[16:54] <Richard_> and drive me crazy
[16:54] <Richard_> has no wifi
[16:54] <daftykins> Richard_: i sincerely doubt that your one issue is going to stop hundreds of people from using an OS, no offence
[16:54] <Alex______> I am an ubuntu 12.04 user. Once I updated my software and my WIFI isn't working since then.
[16:54] <Alex______> What should I doo???
[16:55] <neuro> buy a mac
[16:55] <neuro> I'M KIDDING
[16:55] <SuperEngineer> Richard_: sudo-threats do not work here. You have already found another distro didn't help... and another method [different hardware].  Have you tried your google-fu to solve this?  Have you looked in Ubuntu Forums / Ask Ubuntu / manufacturers comments [etc. etc.]
[16:56] <Richard_> ihave tried ubuntu forum. not ubuntu manufacturers comment
[16:56] <penguin42> Alex______: It doesn't work at all - do you get any error or indications ?
[16:57] <neuro> SuperEngineer: yay, monday evening shenanigans!
[16:57] <neuro> how many laptops have hardware switches for radios these days anyway?
[16:58]  * penguin42 thinks his thinkpad still does
[16:59] <daftykins> every one i've owned
[16:59] <neuro> i like the way you say "still"
[16:59] <neuro> as though it might run off one day
[16:59] <penguin42> neuro: It might!
[16:59] <neuro> hmm, a compaq laptop user, eh?
[17:00] <Alex______> I have no Wireless option. I am now using a wired network. I tried to get updates. It got downloaded but it is unable to install.
[17:01] <Alex______> Firmware for Linux kernal drivers.
[17:01] <daftykins> !paste | Alex______
[17:01] <daftykins> would you like to share the error?
[17:01] <Alex______> I am unable to install it.
[17:02] <neuro> hmmm, walkers have a weird idea of what constitutes "meaty" crisps in a multipack ... cheese and onion?  meaty?
[17:03] <Alex______> okay
[17:03] <SuperEngineer> neuro - no the labelling was referring to cheese & chive crips!
[17:03] <neuro> no cheese & chive in here
[17:03] <diddledan> cripses
[17:03] <SuperEngineer> mmmm........ meeeeeeeat.
[17:03] <diddledan> neuro, you need a cow to make the cheese
[17:03] <neuro> prawn cocktail, cheese and bacon, cheese and onion, smokey bacon and roast chicken
[17:04] <neuro> yeah but that doesn't count :)
[17:04] <neuro> that's like saying eggs are meat cos you need a chicken to make it
[17:04] <diddledan> prawn isn't exactly "meat" either. it's fish or crustacean
[17:04] <penguin42> neuro: No, you need an egg to make the chicken
[17:04] <neuro> penguin42: no, you need a chicken to make the egg
[17:04] <Alex______> Is it only for UK folks??
[17:05] <neuro> Alex______: technically yeah, but paste the error as advised and maybe someone will be able to help
[17:05] <daftykins> if you're a real devil you can use paste.ubuntu.com
[17:05] <penguin42> Alex______: Don't worry, we're friendly
[17:05] <daftykins> well, me and penguin42 are
[17:05] <daftykins> ;)
[17:05]  * diddledan eyes penguin42 .. speak for yourself!
[17:05] <neuro> oi!
[17:05] <SuperEngineer> You will be assimilated!  [ooops - sorry] ;)
[17:06] <neuro> resistance is few-tile
[17:06] <SuperEngineer> lol
[17:06] <diddledan> neuro, my bathroom has that problem
[17:06]  * penguin42 guesses that's SueprEngineer's new knee-jerk reaction
[17:06] <neuro> hehe
[17:06] <neuro> Suepr?
[17:06] <neuro> Sue?
[17:06] <SuperEngineer> lmfao
[17:06] <neuro> something you're not telling us SuperEngineer?
[17:07] <SuperEngineer> [or laugh my family friendly channel off]
[17:07] <diddledan> hi sue</squeaky voice>
[17:07] <SuperEngineer> neur
[17:07] <neuro> o
[17:07] <diddledan> is that a new chant
[17:07] <diddledan> ?
[17:07] <SuperEngineer> neuro: I have developed an interesting / curious /worrying Cyborg reflex since an op
[17:08] <diddledan> neur.. o! neur.. o!
[17:08] <Alexy> Hello
[17:08] <neuro> I say "no", you say "survivors"
[17:08] <neuro> NO!
[17:08] <neuro> ...
[17:08] <SuperEngineer> apples!
[17:08] <diddledan> *burrp*
[17:08] <neuro> you all suck :)
[17:09] <SuperEngineer> but we are not sheep!
[17:09] <diddledan> baa
[17:09] <Alex______> hey how to I install a driver?
[17:09] <neuro> http://youtu.be/fLFAXvFYhsE?t=1m39s
[17:09] <diddledan> Alex______, most "drivers" come inbuilt
[17:09] <neuro> and come with instructions
[17:10] <Alex______> My wifi drivers lost!!
[17:10] <penguin42> Alex______: Go back a few steps
[17:10] <penguin42> Alex______: When was it working, what did you do which made is stop working?
[17:10] <Alex______> Updated my OS.
[17:11] <penguin42> Alex______: Still on 12.04 or you tried to update from/to something elsE?
[17:11] <SuperEngineer> Alex______: from... to...
[17:12] <Alex______> I had 12.04. I just updated available updates from update manager.
[17:12] <penguin42> Alex______: OK, so if you boot and select the previous kernel does it help?
[17:12] <Alex______> My WIFI and AMD graphics is not working.
[17:12] <Alex______> How do I do that??
[17:13] <penguin42> Alex______: When you boot it should give you a menu , and I think it's an advanced option lets you choose the previous version
[17:13] <Alex______> I am planning to upgrade it to the latest Trusty Tahr.
[17:14] <penguin42> Alex______: OK, well that may or may not fix your problem
[17:14] <SuperEngineer> Alex______: when you turn on machine do yopu get a selection of what to boot... if not - please press [shift] on reboot once the POST disappears
[17:14] <Alex______> But I have Downloaded the driver and am unable to install it.
[17:14] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: Grub actually gives an option srtarting with the word "Previous"
[17:15] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Ah that's easier
[17:15] <Alex______> Only if I could install it I think the error would be solved
[17:15] <SuperEngineer> Alex______: have you considered a hardware failure?
[17:15] <penguin42> Alex______: It's best not to fight drivers unless you exhaust all other otpions
[17:16] <penguin42> Alex______: This stuff should just work in Ubuntu, you shouldn't need to download drivers/firmware outside of the ubuntu packages - sometimes you have to but lets see first
[17:16] <Alex______> So what is the best option to do??
[17:16] <penguin42> Alex______: Try the previous kernel as me and SuperEngineer suggested - see if that gets you going
[17:17] <Alex______> How
[17:17] <Alex______> Guide me step-by-step
[17:21] <MooDoo> hello all
[17:21] <Alex______> Hello please help
[17:22] <popey> yo
[17:23] <penguin42> Hey Popey
[17:23] <SuperEngineer> Alex______: when you turn on machine do yopu get a selection of what to boot... if not - please press [shift] on reboot once the POST [memory info etc.] disappears
[17:23] <SuperEngineer> *you
[17:23] <popey> penguin42: didnt crash last night ⍨
[17:23] <penguin42> popey: such is life
[17:24] <Alex______> okay then?
[17:24] <penguin42> popey: Does it crash while you're using it or only when idle or both?
[17:24] <SuperEngineer> do you now see a selection list / a "menu" titled GRUB or anything>
[17:25] <SuperEngineer> Alex______: : ^
[17:25] <popey> penguin42: both
[17:26] <Alex______> I am chatting on my laptop.
[17:27] <penguin42> popey: Nod
[17:27] <penguin42> popey: Have you considered the possibility it just crashes when it feels mean?
[17:27] <Alex______> But if you hold on I can try all the procedures you say.
[17:27] <Alex______> Will it crash??
[17:28] <popey> heh
[17:28]  * daftykins memtests popey
[17:28] <SuperEngineer> Alex______: thank you the privilege of waiting to help you - I feel soooo honoured.
[17:28] <popey> daftykins: good idea.
[17:28] <daftykins> :)
[17:28]  * popey reboots to memtest for the lols
[17:29] <daftykins> popey: is it a particularly exotic setup? or just a misbehaving one?
[17:30]  * SuperEngineer looks for "this bloke is a troll" button
[17:30] <daftykins> SuperEngineer: i had my same concerns
[17:30] <daftykins> s/my/the/
[17:30] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[17:31] <popey> huh, well thats odd
[17:31] <popey> cant get the grub menu to appear
[17:31] <daftykins> how rare!
[17:32] <popey> \o/ other shift key
[17:32] <popey> daftykins: no, nothing exotic. Lenovo X220 with 16GB RAM, 2xSSD..
[17:32] <popey> in a docking station most of the time.
[17:33] <daftykins> ah-har
[17:33] <daftykins> nice spec :O
[17:34] <popey> i7 Sandybridge
[17:34] <popey> will leave it running memtest overnight, just to eliminate that, good suggestion, thanks
[17:35] <daftykins> my pleasure :)
[17:36] <Alex______> How do I install it?/
[17:38] <daftykins> Alex______: you mentioned upgrading to trusty... why don't you backup your data and do a clean install of that before going further?
[17:39] <penguin42> hmm, we seem to have a regular fox - always about 3am
[17:42] <SuperEngineer> The fox will be assimilated!  [ooops - sorry] ;)
[17:44] <Alex______> But I can upgrade it only through WIFI.
[17:44] <Alex______> SO I am planning to first install the driver and then Upgrade it.
[17:47] <Alex______> The 1st:http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=309205
[17:47] <daftykins> Alex______: wired works? so place it beside the router temporarily?
[17:47] <Alex______> The 2nd:http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=309206
[17:47] <Alex______> What should I do ??
[17:48] <daftykins> can you open the details of that and paste it to us via paste.ubuntu.com ?
[17:48]  * SuperEngineer closes & restarts IRC to activate new addition to ignore list
[17:48] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[18:04] <popey> https://i.cloudup.com/BE_rYz4Tv5.jpg
[18:04] <popey> oh my gosh
[18:04] <popey> that looks lovely
[18:05] <ali1234> is there a UK version?
[18:06] <daftykins> looks like it's almost trying to be
[18:06] <daftykins> quick two key swap and you're practically there
[18:06] <daftykins> or not XD
[18:07] <popey> ANSI and ISO versions
[18:07] <popey> coolermaster Novatouch
[18:07] <popey> the font is very reminiscent of the vt100
[18:09] <daubers> So the best way to sell something to popey is to make it look like a vt100?
[18:09] <popey> yes
[18:09] <daubers> :)
[18:10] <daftykins> daubers sir, i'm updating the ol' 3ware array with 6 x 2TB WD Red's :O
[18:10] <daubers>  /o\
[18:10] <daftykins> do not like?
[18:11] <daubers> Last time I played with 3ware I wasn't impressed
[18:11] <daubers> BUT
[18:11] <daubers> I changed jobs, so don't have much to do with RAID's anymore
[18:11] <daftykins> d'aww
[18:11] <daftykins> guess i can't bore you with such talk anymore
[18:11] <daftykins> :)
[18:11] <daubers> :)
[18:11] <daftykins> that 9650SE has done me well since 2008 though
[18:11] <daftykins> just my disks are out of warranty and hit 6 years spinning
[18:12] <daftykins> not to mention full
[18:12] <daubers> I try and keep up a bit, but I'm trying to get my head around a new bit of the industry as well now
[18:12] <daubers> Ich, 6 year old drives
[18:12] <daftykins> indeed
[18:12] <daftykins> WD1001FYPS Re's
[18:13] <daftykins> funny part was i didn't want to upgrade, i just ordered a single 1TB WD Red to fix the current one - but received this: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ogvzz7615wrvwz0/yHWSmQJVfm
[18:14] <daubers> :)
[18:48] <mapps> afternoon all
[18:48] <mapps> big day today]
[18:48] <robotninja> 'lo
[18:48] <mapps> 24:DD
[18:48] <mapps> 8pm est
[18:49] <brobostigon> evening mapps
[18:49] <mapps> evening mate
[18:50] <mapps> how is everyone
[18:51] <brobostigon> mapps: generally good day, and you?
[18:51] <mapps> yea not bad...excited for 24
[18:51] <mapps> double ep:D
[18:51] <mapps> but il be at work so cant watch till 5am arghhh
[18:51] <brobostigon> 24, oh that,
[18:51] <mapps> ya
[18:52] <mapps> you dont like it?
[18:52] <brobostigon> theres better things i would rather watch.
[18:53] <mapps> pfff
[18:58] <daftykins> hehe
[18:58] <mapps> noone cares but me?
[18:58] <mapps> :(
[18:58] <daftykins> i would, but i'm a few seasons behind and i kinda promised a lady friend i'd only watch them with her ;)
[19:00] <mapps> ah
[19:00] <mapps> best series ever
[19:01] <daftykins> nah that's The Sopranos!
[19:02] <mapps> hmm
[19:02] <mapps> sopranos was good i agree
[19:02] <mapps> and the wire?
[19:02] <mapps> :D
[19:02] <daftykins> still never gotten around to
[19:02] <mapps> amateur hour
[19:02] <mapps> !
[19:02] <daftykins> though i was recently told season 1 was intentionally shot in crap quality, so at least now i know not to try and find a 'good version'
[19:02] <mapps> pj
[19:02] <mapps> OH
[19:02] <mapps> really?
[19:03] <daftykins> 'tis what a mate said anyway
[19:03] <mapps> i didnt know that
[19:05] <daftykins> can't seem to find any corroboration to that
[19:06] <mapps> vicious rumours
[19:06] <mapps> :D
[19:06] <daftykins> haha
[19:07] <daftykins> y'know Sopranos was so ace, yet HBO have still yet to release anything besides season 1 and season 6 on bluray
[19:07] <daftykins> it's a real shame - that's the #1 must own on my list
[19:07] <daftykins> even though i couldn't even play them directly! :D
[19:07] <mapps> play directly
[19:07] <mapps> eh?
[19:07] <daftykins> i don't own a bluray capable device
[19:08] <mapps> ah
[19:08] <mapps> 1 and 6 what about in between
[19:08] <daftykins> just standard DVD
[19:10] <mapps> aint that strange?
[19:11] <mapps> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2620368/British-girl-20s-caught-having-sex-Virgin-aeroplane-toilets-male-passenger-just-met.html
[19:12] <mapps> O_o
[19:13] <daftykins> ooh-err.
[19:13] <daftykins> not exactly news, nor are those bullet points at the top
[19:13] <daftykins> but then the domain tells all
[19:23] <dwatkins> indeed, why not just write "couple interrupted"
[19:23] <daftykins> :D
[19:30] <mapps> heh
[19:31] <popey> 53% memtest
[19:32] <popey> memtest takes ages with 16GB RAM. who knew!?
[19:33] <dwatkins> I tend to leave it running over night, popey.
[19:33] <popey> yeah, i plan to
[19:36] <popey> here's an odd thing.
[19:36] <popey> I use terminator
[19:37] <popey> if I press CTRL+ALT+T it starts a "root terminal"
[19:37] <popey> the icon in the launcher wants sudo prompt to run it
[19:44] <daftykins> :o
[20:05] <brobostigon> selby to win,
[21:44] <diddledan> <insert family-unfriendly humour here>
[21:44] <diddledan> ;-p
[21:44] <diddledan> golly, I'm a n0rty person
[22:19] <dogmatic69_> I have a cifs mount which is mounting as my user. How can I make it use a different user or allow www-data to access it?
[22:20] <daftykins> in fstab?
[22:20] <daftykins> or are you doing it manually?
[22:20] <dogmatic69_> manual
[22:20] <daftykins> -o umask=xxx,dmask=yyy are options i've seen before, might be the one?
[22:21] <daftykins> no idea how you get those 3 digits though :D
[22:21] <dogmatic69_> I was trying with -uid=www-data according to what I see in man
[22:21] <daftykins> hrmm
[22:21] <dogmatic69_> maybe I need forceuid..
[22:22] <diddledan> dogmatic69_, you can do it with either -o uid=www-data or -o gid=www-data,umask=027,dmask=027
[22:22] <dogmatic69_> 027 is?
[22:22] <diddledan> those masks are bitmask against 777
[22:22] <dogmatic69_> ok
[22:23] <daftykins> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=gjkivAf3
[22:23] <diddledan> so 027 will default to providing read and execute (5) privilieges to the gid of www-data (uid=)
[22:23] <daftykins> oh it's fake apparently, ignore
[22:24] <dogmatic69_> I had, sudo mount -t cifs //server/path -o credentials=/path/to/pwd,sec=ntlm,uid=www-data -rw
[22:25] <diddledan> dogmatic69_, that looks ok
[22:25] <dogmatic69_> I am getting .mount: line 6: -o: command not found
[22:25] <diddledan> if it doesn't work then maybe uid= is wrong and it should be user=?
[22:25] <diddledan> uid might require the numeric
[22:26] <dogmatic69_> man says string / id
[22:26] <diddledan> (which on debian systems for www-data is 80 iirc)
[22:27] <dogmatic69_> id -u www-data is 33
[22:27] <diddledan> maybe it's gentoos that use 80 then
[22:27] <dogmatic69_> ok, no error with 33, but still not monted as www-data
[22:28] <dogmatic69_> seems it wont umont ether :/
[22:29] <diddledan> what does ls -ld show?
[22:29] <dogmatic69_> oh, its done it now
[22:29] <dogmatic69_> thanks
[22:29] <dogmatic69_> I thing it was just not umonted when I tried again
[22:30] <dogmatic69_> now to figure out why the site is still not working :/
[22:31] <maps|wrk> ello
[22:53] <dogmatic69_> with cifs mount, is it possible to have some files executable?
[22:55] <diddledan> dogmatic69_, cifs can expose permissions - how is left up to the user - windows share hosts need specific ACL entries e.g.
[22:57] <dogmatic69_> well its a little NAS, not windows
[22:59] <dogmatic69_> I was reading that it can either all be execute or not, is that true?
[22:59] <diddledan> it depends on the implementation
[22:59] <dogmatic69_> ok
[22:59] <diddledan> cifs has a posix-compliant permissions model if it wants to use it
[23:59] <diddledan> anyone know how to tell apt that a package is "installed" wihtout actually installing it?