[01:01] superfly: ty [05:50] oh yay inetpro is back. what time gussie? [05:50] morning everyone [05:55] Good morning everyone [05:55] hi bduk [06:01] hi Private_User jabberwocky93 Spekko [06:03] more kilos [06:06] hi Kilos [06:06] * jabberwocky93 slaps Spekko with a large trout [06:10] morning ThatGraemeGuy :-) [06:10] you early [06:11] morning [06:11] not really, i'm just less late than usual ;-) [06:12] technically supposed to start at 8 [06:12] hahaha [07:08] hi Kilos [07:13] morning everybody else [07:18] hi Vince-0 [07:44] hi Golynx Rynomster [07:45] Haai [07:45] hi Kilos, Rynomster [07:45] hi Vince-0 [07:45] Rynomster, is a major lurker [07:46] forgets irc exists [07:46] @ first i thought he was a bot [07:47] haha [07:47] no he has chatted [07:48] thats good [07:49] people are too busy these days to chitchat [07:49] yeah hard work making ends meet [07:52] Hi Kilos , all [07:52] hi theblazehen [07:52] hey theblazehen [07:53] hi Golynx [08:02] hi theblazehen [08:02] ho Golynx [08:03] hi Private_User [08:04] * sorry I meant to say hi Golynx [08:05] happy hi ho! Private_User :D [08:06] :D [08:14] haha [08:32] ohi [08:32] hi superfly [08:33] hi superfly [08:33] pyCharm looks good :) [08:33] it's the least sucky of all the Python IDEs I've used [08:33] it has an open source version too [08:34] though because of my open source project I've been able to get a license for it [08:34] the free version only have support for python though [08:34] nice [08:35] perfect for you :) [08:49] superfly: What features does a python IDE have over a plain text editor? [08:49] theblazehen: code completion (for one) [08:49] superfly: I believe vi mcan do that with addons [08:50] vim can* [08:50] Race conditions... [08:50] PyCharm specifically has refactoring (rename a variable and it'll rename all uses of it), an import helper (use a class, press alt+enter and it adds an import statement for the class) [08:50] project-wide find/replace [08:50] ok, thats really nice [08:51] vi's code completion is not intelligent [08:51] it can't tell you what methods are associated with this object [08:53] on the fly code completion and error checking...etc is awesome [08:54] yup [09:04] Damn, big download :/ [09:45] hi superfly AndChat|99281 tinuva [10:32] i think this andchat be a bot [10:35] Kilos: nope, android irc client [10:36] ah cant ping it [11:14] oh hi [11:17] hi nuvolari [12:07] middag nuvolari [12:07] inetpro, jy bly? [12:07] hi Kilos [12:07] hoekom? [12:08] jou krag is reg nou man! [12:08] ai! soek jy weer my epos addie [12:08] * inetpro was op tot 2:00 vanoggend [12:09] eina [12:09] fun and games [12:09] so inetpro is it fixed or still sorting probs? [12:19] Eish, internet is slow today [12:20] I'd literally rather take 3 56K modems and load balance them [12:20] Easier than tethering my phone :( [13:11] what is the diffs between hard and softwater [13:11] hehe [13:12] hardwater comes in cubes and is used to cool your drinks [13:17] lol [13:17] that was an answer in a varsity quiz [13:17] hehe [13:17] +beer :D [13:18] what you studying there Kilos [13:18] not me man [13:18] was in a mail my sis got [13:18] oh [13:19] only thing i study is staying alive [13:19] me too :( [13:19] sis will go to town this week with your dvd [13:20] then you better start earning [13:21] i though you meant health wise [13:21] ya that too [13:21] ty Kilos i will do so :) [13:21] like how to get rid of gall stones and other old peeps bugs [13:23] ya its something we all must experience sadly [13:26] but i will love to see what kinda computers are in heaven. Must be some mindblowing tech there :) [13:29] hahaha [13:29] system76 [13:32] i think thats what its called [13:32] Maaz, google system76 [13:32] Kilos: "System76 - Ubuntu Laptops, Desktops, and Servers" https://www.system76.com/ :: "System76 - Ubuntu Laptops" https://www.system76.com/laptops/ :: "System76 - Ubuntu Laptop - Bonobo Extreme" https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/bonx8 :: "System76 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System76 :: "System76 (system76) on Twitter" [13:32] https://twitter.com/system76 :: "System76 Support - Ubuntu Forums" http://ubuntuforums.org/f… [13:32] lol [13:33] ya that store is in the gate on the way in [13:33] but they pricey [13:33] so heaven is all about "Unity" literally :D [13:34] no man all flavours of ubuntu [13:34] unity in the front of the shop [13:35] oh i see [13:35] people still have to upgrade [13:36] in a far back room is xubuntu [13:36] hi tumbleweed hows things by you? [13:38] so an ubuntu pc should cost cheaper in theory [13:39] maybe if you can get someone to bring one in as a gift it wont be bad [13:39] but customs is 2k [13:39] ya thats true [13:40] so best to get rich, go there buy one and bring it back with you [13:41] lol [13:45] i wonder how much of the worlds population have ever heard of the ubuntu OS [13:45] most of them are so used to windows [13:46] basically i think we just need a good strong marketing strategy [13:46] but then again peeps are scared of change [13:48] i agree [13:48] also creativity and bold new ideas are lacking in the ubuntu world to really put a unique edge to the platform [13:49] Private_User: It was you I was chatting to about the mesh network, right? [13:49] theblazehen: yes [13:49] I got connected :) To hyperboria, the worldwide mesh network [13:50] Actually thinking of starting a mesh local [13:52] lekker, hows the speed and network performance? [13:52] Not sure how to judge, whole internet been slow as shit today [13:53] Maybe 10-20 % slower? [13:54] I wonder if you could combine the mesh network with the tor network? in that way stay private as well [13:55] I downloaded whonix so I am gonna try and set that up and check it out [13:55] anybody else tried whonix? [13:55] what is that [13:56] its another Linux OS based on the TOR project [13:56] ah [13:56] Yeah, although that won't help much [13:56] I think whonix is based on debian so they say that Ubuntu commands will work on it [13:56] CJDNS does similar function to tor [13:57] ok but I wondering if it will give like double the privacy and protection for anonymity [13:57] but thats just me thinking will have to research it [13:57] just get a network going that mobile users can connect to without paying isp's then you will be a hero [13:58] lol [13:59] yeah Kilos I would definitely like [13:59] that [13:59] Kilos: sure [13:59] lol [14:00] last coupla days the net has een slow [14:00] maybe its the pro messed it up [14:00] got a power cable in where an eth cable should be [14:00] lol [14:00] LOL [14:01] etherkiller anyone? [14:01] At least it's not just me [14:01] But my 3g still fast [14:02] lemme check speed here [14:03] eek down to half speed [14:03] 3mb/s was 6.4mb/s last week [14:04] welcome to my world lol [14:04] lol [14:04] hi bushtech still not fixed? [14:05] better since last night [14:05] touch wood [14:05] a thats good [14:05] ya you havent been disconnecting today [14:05] * bushtech looking around frantically for a piece of wood [14:05] better than me, today I have been getting random disconnects but I was thinking it could because its very windy here and maybe the signal was an issue although my software says full signal [14:06] touch your head [14:06] done thanks [14:06] lol it works [14:06] thanks for reminding me [14:06] my dad always made me do that [14:07] Kilos: for signal? [14:07] dads know best [14:07] touch wood man [14:08] i wonder where the bottleneck actually is with the speed prob [14:08] i dont think its 8ta [14:09] Kilos: maybe telkom? [14:09] or saix [14:09] or the undersea fibre [14:09] Gonna try figure it out [14:10] some sites open fine and others take forever [14:10] undersea cable prob stolen [14:10] lol [14:14] just performed a CTCP ping to my nick and got a reply of 12 seconds [14:16] damn... [14:17] how do you do that Private_User [14:17] you type /ping (nick) [14:17] in here? [14:17] yep [14:17] in you case /ping Kilos [14:18] its nearly instant but no time given [14:18] I just did one to you [14:18] the time will come up [14:18] did you get the one I sent you now [14:18] ya [14:19] but I did not get a time response yet [14:19] hmm... [14:19] at 16.08.03 [14:19] 15.18.03 sorry [14:19] ai! [14:19] need to turn on the light [14:20] ok but seems like you getting my chat messages in here quite quick so it probably fine [14:20] 16.08.03 [14:20] just did another one to myself [14:20] 0seconds [14:20] :D [14:20] haha [14:20] Ping on mesh net around 500 ms, normal ping is 290 ms [14:22] looks like the speed here is not stable [14:22] performed one at http://speedtest.mybroadband.co.za/ [14:22] first test server: Johannesburg ping: 151ms download speed: 545kbps upload speed: 20kbps [14:23] performed a second test now [14:23] Download Speed: 2217 kbps (277.1 KB/sec transfer rate) [14:23] Upload Speed: 22 kbps (2.8 KB/sec transfer rate) [14:23] Latency: 122 ms [14:23] 5/5/2014 4:26:46 PM [14:25] just performed a test to a Cape Town server [14:25] Download Speed: 2520 kbps (315 KB/sec transfer rate) Upload Speed: 25 kbps (3.1 KB/sec transfer rate) Latency: 162 ms 5/5/2014 4:29:36 PM [14:26] nice speed Private_User :) [14:26] Download Speed: 146 kbps (18.3 KB/sec transfer rate) [14:26] Upload Speed: 351 kbps (43.9 KB/sec transfer rate) [14:26] Latency: 31 msDownload Speed: 146 kbps (18.3 KB/sec transfer rate) [14:26] Upload Speed: 351 kbps (43.9 KB/sec transfer rate) [14:26] Latency: 31 msDownload Speed: 146 kbps (18.3 KB/sec transfer rate) [14:26] Upload Speed: 351 kbps (43.9 KB/sec transfer rate) [14:26] Latency: 31 ms [14:27] ok let me check the international one now [14:27] Holy fuck my upload is faster than my download.. [14:27] * theblazehen is also checking [14:28] language theblazehen [14:28] Download Speed: 8085 kbps (1010.6 KB/sec transfer rate) [14:28] Upload Speed: 31580 kbps (3947.5 KB/sec transfer rate) [14:28] Latency: 5 ms [14:28] \you too young to use that word [14:28] hehe, yes Kilos :p [14:28] my international is <1mbps both up and down :( [14:28] Download Speed: 182 kbps (22.8 KB/sec transfer rate) [14:28] Upload Speed: 362 kbps (45.3 KB/sec transfer rate) [14:28] Latency: 197 ms [14:28] Kerbero: your speeds are awesome [14:29] Private_User, ja, but only sometimes [14:29] if noone is misusing our adsl [14:29] Kerbero: what type of connection do you have [14:29] wel.. [14:29] sanren [14:30] how do you get that info off speedtest.net [14:30] i cant copy paste it [14:31] my results for the international test [14:31] Kilos: was using mybroadband test [14:31] Download Speed: 952 kbps (119 KB/sec transfer rate) Upload Speed: 13 kbps (1.6 KB/sec transfer rate) Latency: 327 ms 5/5/2014 4:34:45 PM [14:31] and your line speed Kerbero? [14:31] cause I am using 3G [14:31] Kilos: http://speedtest.mybroadband.co.za/ [14:31] ty [14:32] Private_User, my office gets a 10mbps downlink chunk from the university's 10gbps local fibre connection [14:33] Kerbero: ah cool stuff [14:33] if i use the main university internet my speedtest will likely do >400mbps download [14:33] but a test will cost me around R100 then [14:33] Download Speed: 3897 kbps (487.1 KB/sec transfer rate) [14:33] Kerbero: How much does it cost per GB from main connection? [14:34] Upload Speed: 2315 kbps (289.4 KB/sec transfer rate) [14:34] Kilos, thats good. Are you still on 3g? [14:34] theblazehen, 1c/MB [14:34] ya 8ta with telkom d-link modem [14:34] its normally double that [14:34] Kerbero: Nice:) What do you have to do to get that kinda connection? [14:34] those telkom dlinks are nice routers [14:34] theblazehen, be a student on campus [14:35] no the 3g modem i have [14:35] or staff [14:35] dwm-156 [14:35] o [14:35] comes as a starter pack for R399 [14:35] didn't know dlink made those [14:35] these universities has the best connections :-/ [14:35] 3.75g usb modem [14:35] Golynx, yes, but they rip us off with the price [14:36] I miss T3 lines :( , I worked at a company that had T3 lines once and there was a guy there who got fired for downloading 3 TB of non-work releated data in apparently like a day which I still have trouble beleiving wel the in a day part [14:36] actually the amount of data was more [14:36] cannot remember the actualy amount but that is why I could not beleive the amount [14:38] and I remember at that time another colleague use to download porn and he was like dude this guy did not even download porn yet he got fired I better stop it cause now they gonna be very strict and monitor the network very closely [14:38] lol [14:42] hows things going Kerbero you been quiet [14:43] btw theblazehen connecting via the mesh network once you connect do people connect via you as well or is that something seperate which you need to setup caue I wanna try it but worried about data usage? [14:43] *cause [14:43] Private_User: they only connect through you if you set it up that way [14:43] But then you need to port forward and shit, so no [14:44] theblazehen: ah ok great [14:44] When you wanna set it up? [14:46] Erm.. Any linux pros here? [14:46] well not sure just busy with some other stuff for now maybe closer to the weekend or maybe during the weekend [14:46] and I am also gonna try and setup the whonix [14:46] Private_User: ok. Gimme a /msg when ready [14:46] theblazehen: sure thanks [14:47] lsof [14:47] oops [14:47] whonix uses your existing OS, you use via a virtual machine [14:48] but lots to be aware of in order to get the most out of it [14:49] and they say ubuntu is quite secure so best option as HOST OS but thats just something I read on another site not on the whonix site [14:50] I'd just use tails [14:50] More people use it [14:50] yep I have that as well have not tried it out though [14:50] hmm... [14:51] there is alot I have downloaded but have not got around to test or try out [14:52] man I gotta start writing down these things like sort of a plan or checklist cause as we all knowyou can download a software today and tomorrow it would have a new version and your downloaded version is then outdated [14:52] lol [14:53] lo [14:53] l [14:59] bushtech, may i ask what you do there on the reserve [14:59] !o/ [15:01] anybody here android developers or anybody that downloaded and using the SDK ADT bundle from http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html? [15:01] sorry url = http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html [15:02] i tried android sdk here to try get whatsapp going but used a months data in a day trying to set it up [15:02] I am having issues with the software I updated it and all the updates downloaded but the application still states its the old version? [15:06] Private_User which version of android emulator you using [15:06] revision i mean [15:06] yeah I hear you Kilos I used lots of data around 4GB [15:06] luckily I used my nite surfer data [15:07] its a waste of data unless you actually need it for something [15:08] Golynx: let me check [15:08] i use it for developing phonegap apps. Not really waste time downloading apps [15:08] data* [15:08] ok its not starting could not load JVM [15:09] gonna have to restart [15:09] brb [15:10] ok no just needed to close a few applications [15:10] :) [15:11] the application states v 22.3.0 but I downloaded the update i.e. 22.6.2 [15:12] and if I click check for updates it says not updates [15:12] but each time I start it it states that I need to update the software [15:13] lol [15:15] revision 22 is enough for me [15:15] hi drussell [15:17] yeah but I am trying to go through the Android Developer training on the site and I don't get the options they get yet I downloaded everything via the SDK manager [15:17] any ideas on how to resolve without having to download again? [15:18] Golynx: how is PhoneGap? [15:20] Private_User you mean you want to compile android apps as in .apk [15:21] theblazehen its great , a free world at last :) [15:22] javascript is everywhere, so many possibilities with it [15:22] Golynx: yep wanna try and writ my own apps [15:22] *write [15:24] Private_User i used http://netbeans.org/features/java/ in the past to compile android apps. [15:25] there is a plugin to connect it to the android emulator so you can test your apps. [15:26] ok but I am also a newbie at developing android apps so I am trying to go through the training at http://developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/index.html [15:26] so I downloaded their SDK ADT bundle [15:27] http://www.nbandroid.org/ [15:27] it uses eclipse [15:27] oh [15:27] i always used netbeans though [15:28] never used eclipse before [15:33] I do have Netbeans IDE as well but since I have already downloaded this bundle which used up 4GB of data since I decided to download everything under the SDK manager to see if that will solve the issue but it downloaded everything fine and states it has the latest version except that the Android ADT still states its at 22.3.0 and not 22.6.2 [15:35] so I am wondering if I need to change a setting or configuration file somewhere? [15:36] check if they have an irc channel [15:36] then rev them [15:40] good idea Kilos, let me check [15:41] or maybe a forum or support channel or something [15:41] is there no help block in the app when its running? [15:43] there maybe an answer here http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7852823/eclipse-wont-let-me-use-android-sdk-wrongly-claims-my-adt-is-out-of-date [15:59] checked the help Kilos no real help there [15:59] oi [15:59] Golynx: thanks looking at the link now [16:00] sometimes they put a link in the help section [16:23] damn that ADT bundle folder is 11.7GB [16:23] ouch [16:24] I am definitely not deleting and downloading again [16:24] although the zip file is only 408MB [16:24] and the updates used only 4GB of data [16:25] only [16:25] sjoe [16:25] so wondering how is that possible unless that zip file is really compressed to its max [16:26] lol Kilos yeah and I almost used the peak data luckily I cancelled it [16:26] and continued again after 00:00 [16:26] enjoy [16:27] speaking about enjoy I think its time for me to go enjoy some dinner [16:27] hehe [16:27] haha better move [16:27] be back later [16:37] it took me around 300mb to set up my whole android dev environment, when i started experimenting with android [16:37] but that was 3 years ago and with netbeans [16:41] naand oom Kilos [16:41] hello Private_User, Golynx [16:42] hi nuvolari [16:42] naand nuvolari gaanit? [16:42] dit gaan ok dankie oom Kilos, en met oom? [16:42] hoekom is jy so skaars seun?? [16:42] ek lewe nog dankie [16:42] werk maak my lusteloos [16:43] lol en wat does jy dan [16:43] kom net by die huis en is dan nie lus vir ander goed nie [16:43] jy moet hier kom huil man [16:43] dit sal nie help nie oom :P [16:44] dit help altyd om goed uit te praat [16:49] ag maar wat moet ek praat oom [16:50] die mense hoog op voel 'n veer [16:51]