[00:22] <shauno> that doesn't sound like a good idea
[00:22] <shauno> this is workable, http://eric.lubow.org/2010/system-administration/creating-dummy-packages-on-debian/
[00:23] <shauno> but "danger, will robinson" etc
[00:24] <daftykins> :D
[00:24] <daftykins> hmm these Digital Ocean VPSs seem cheap
[00:24] <daftykins> anyone given them a whirl?
[00:30] <Azelphur> daftykins: they come highly recommended in Django circles.
[00:30] <Azelphur> I've seen a few people recommend them
[00:30] <daftykins> neat
[00:31] <daftykins> 2TB data is a lot more than bigv's 300GB/mo
[00:31] <daftykins> and $10 vs. £10
[00:37] <daftykins> but which i may get next, i don't know :)
[00:50] <daftykins> nn all \o
[02:06] <Aalex> hi
[02:10] <Aalex> How to install a WIFI driver and AMD graphic card driver??
[02:10] <Aalex> In ubuntu 12.04??
[02:14] <Aalex> hmm
[06:04] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:09] <mapps> morning
[06:09] <mapps> watching 24 s9e1 :D
[06:17] <Myrtti> they still make it?
[06:19] <mapps> came back last night
[06:19] <mapps> 2hr premiere
[06:27] <MooDoo> yeah i've recorded it, not watched it.
[06:32] <mapps> recorded?
[06:32] <mapps> oh
[06:32] <mapps> it aired at 1am on sky ?!
[06:32] <mapps> i thought it waa a day late
[07:00] <bashrc> morning
[07:01] <MooDoo> morning bashrc
[07:03] <MooDoo> people phoning in sick, day after bank hol....hmmmmmmmm
[07:04] <MartijnVdS> well there is a flu going around
[07:09] <MooDoo> http://ubuntu.technology/planet-ubuntu-technology/ - would this be of interest?
[07:11] <bashrc> hangovers perhaps
[07:15] <mapps> jacks having his worst day AGAIN
[07:15] <mapps> :D
[07:16] <MooDoo> 4 one now? lol
[07:17] <mapps> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2621125/Sandwiches-skies-Melbourne-pop-restaurant-Jafflechutes-float-toasted-cheese-sandwiches-hungry-customers-parachute.html
[07:17] <mapps> lol
[07:59] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy No Homework Day - my boys will be thrilled!  :-D
[08:13] <diddledan> allo allo
[08:14] <MooDoo> howdy
[08:14] <MooDoo> howdy JamesTait
[08:14] <MooDoo> no homework day?
[08:15] <diddledan> I thought that was yesterday :-p
[08:21] <foobarry> is that the same as no work from home day?
[08:21] <diddledan> foobarry, I hope so
[08:29] <diplo> Morning all
[08:32] <vishnu> i dunno if this is the right place for help. but i need help urgently. I accidentally opted "erase everything" wile installing Ubuntu in MacBook via refit. forced shutdown immediately and my old ext partition is safe. need to get data out of it
[08:35] <MooDoo> can you take the drive out and put it in a usb caddy then attach it to another machine?
[08:36] <daubers> Morning
[08:37] <daubers> What open source router firmware are people using these days?
[08:37] <MooDoo> daubers: standard asus for me
[08:37] <daubers> MooDoo: I want to do 3g failover, but routers with that in the standard firmware are $$$$$$
[08:38] <MooDoo> oh right...
[08:38] <daubers> Having said that, 3g contracts all appear to be rubbish
[08:44]  * awilkins uses OpenWRT
[08:44] <MartijnVdS> \o/ openwrt
[08:44] <awilkins> But I'm using quite an old version because I have ancient, creaking router hardware from the previous decade
[08:44] <awilkins> The new versions look much easier to configure
[08:45] <MartijnVdS> Yeah the web interface is OK now
[08:45] <MartijnVdS> though i still prefer vimming in /etc/config/*
[08:45] <awilkins> Oh, yeah, I don't even install the web thing
[08:45] <awilkins> Why waste RAM, flash, and open a potential security hole?
[08:48] <diplo> daubers, we've used the Drayteks at work for dongle internet support
[08:48] <diplo> Qorks quite well
[08:52] <daubers> diplo: Ta, I shall have a look
[08:54] <daubers> looks like my router might support it internally, but looks like my isp has disabled it
[08:55] <daubers> wonder if I can re-enable it
[08:55] <diddledan> isp routers don't usually support anything. at all.
[08:55] <awilkins> Mum's supports dynamic DNS stuff
[08:56] <awilkins> Not sure what else it does
[08:56] <awilkins> My ISP router is in dumb modem mode though
[08:56] <diddledan> dyndns no longer exists - it's dyn.com now and they don't do freebie dynamic names anymore
[08:57] <awilkins> I changed to duckdns.org
[08:57] <popey> Morning all
[08:57] <awilkins> Dyndns killed off my account by doing that 30-day expiry thing on me
[08:57] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: they stopped offering free accounts too
[08:58] <MooDoo> awilkins: didn't you get the monthly email?
[08:58] <daubers> Morning popey
[08:58] <MooDoo> oh scrap that.
[08:58] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, yeah, they stopped ages ago but I had a really old one grandfathered in ; I got the monthly emails but I missed one. And they just closed all the free accounts shortly afterwards anyway.
[08:58] <diddledan> "popeypopeypopey aah aah aah aah"
[08:59] <diddledan> (ruby ruby ruby clone)
[08:59] <daubers> Hah magic :)
[09:00] <MooDoo> It's a kind of magic!
[09:00] <daubers> The web ui has it turned off, but its there in the telnet ui
[09:02] <daubers> Just need to find a decent dongle/deal now
[09:03] <diddledan> you have a telnet interface?
[09:03] <diddledan> 1) that's oldskool, 2) securemuch?!
[09:04] <daubers> diddledan: It's firewall locked to the lan, not the wan
[09:04] <daubers> This is a home router :)
[09:05] <daubers> diddledan: Pretty much all the thompson routers have one afaik
[09:07] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:08] <diddledan> girls? where?!
[09:08]  * diddledan tidies his hair
[09:08] <DJones> !girls
[09:08]  * diddledan sucks in the belly
[09:08] <DJones> diddledan: Breathe, your turning blue
[09:08] <brobostigon> lol.
[09:10] <diddledan> lol @ the xkcd
[09:11] <awilkins> telnet, ew
[09:11] <popey> yeah, dyndns did the same trick to me
[09:11] <popey> now using afraid.org
[09:11] <awilkins> Router only has SSH with PK auth
[09:12] <awilkins> When it had password auth switched on it used to get constantly attacked
[09:13] <awilkins> (I have to have the SSH daemon listen on the standard port because explaining to the networks team that you want a non-standard port opened on the firewall is like punching fog)
[09:13] <diddledan> denyhosts
[09:13] <awilkins> Yeah, I had fail2ban or something like it running on it for a while
[09:13] <brobostigon> i use fail2ban.
[09:14] <MartijnVdS> fail2ban is fun
[09:14] <MartijnVdS> it can read apache logs too
[09:14] <diddledan> I like how easy it is to lock yourself out
[09:14] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: not if you use SSH with keys :)
[09:14] <diplo> popey, I couldn't get afraid.org to update with ddclient, how do you update yours ?
[09:14] <awilkins> It's actually pretty difficult if you're using SSH with PK auth
[09:14] <brobostigon> and dovecot and loads of others.
[09:14] <awilkins> Because the client checks your password rather than the server
[09:15] <diddledan> *enters correct password* fail *enters alternative password* fail *enters correct password again* blocked *realise using wrong username*
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: ~/.ssh/config + ssh keys FTW :)
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> stuff like:
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> Host home
[09:15] <diddledan> yeah, ssh keys are awesome
[09:15] <MartijnVdS>   HostName hostname_of_home_machine
[09:15] <MartijnVdS>   User my_username_at_home
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[09:16] <popey> diplo: my DD-WRT router supports it.
[09:17] <diplo> heh, I really must buy a decent router :)
[09:20] <diddledan> bash scripting ftw: for i in *.jpg; do file=$(echo $i | cut -d. -f1); mv $i $file-bg.jpg; done
[09:22] <shauno> why not just mv $i ${i/.jpg/-bg.jpg}   ?
[09:24] <diddledan> o_O
[09:25] <awilkins> why not just `rename 's/\.jpg/-bg\.jpg/' *.jpg  ?
[09:25] <shauno> or ${i%.jpg}-bg.jpg if you're worried that .jpg might show up more than once in the filename.  but I prefer how readable the straight substitution is
[09:25] <awilkins> !man rename
[09:26] <awilkins> There's a perl script for rename in the default install AFAIK   `man rename`
[09:26] <awilkins> And my regex above is wrong
[09:26] <awilkins> Ok, no it isn't
[09:26] <awilkins> Bah, regex
[09:27] <shauno> I like bash's substitutions because I can use/abuse them everywhere
[09:32] <awilkins> shauno, Thanks for teaching me a new trick, anyway
[09:32] <shauno> there's a whole set of them, if you search for %% in the bash manpage it'll find them
[09:34] <shauno> eg, ${i^} will capitalize $i, ${i^^} block-caps the whole thing, instead of trying to remember the only thing you ever use 'tr' for
[09:35] <MartijnVdS> shauno: 'tr' isn't hard though.. tr a-zA-Z n-za-mN-ZA-M :)
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> boom, crypto!
[09:36] <diddledan> o_O
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: that's rot13. Best crypto evar.
[09:36] <diddledan> aah
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> (every letter in the range "a-z" is mapped to the range "n-z, then a-m", i.e. the alphabet, rotated 13 letters :)
[09:42] <BigRedS_> I don't think I've ever used tr for capitalisation, it's normally for converting between linebreaks and spaces
[09:43] <shauno> tr [:upper:] [:lower:] is about all I remember ever using it for
[09:48] <BigRedS_> ah, I don't recall ever having had to do that, actually
[09:58] <DJones> Arghh, its Eurovision week agai
[09:58] <DJones> n
[09:59] <MooDoo> yay!!! eurovision party
[09:59] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:59] <DJones> MooDoo: Yay sleeping pills party
[10:00] <MooDoo> davmor2: hello
[10:02]  * MooDoo stabs davmor2 only because he's not see czajkows1i do it lately
[10:06]  * diddledan stabs davmor2 only because he's jealous
[10:07] <diddledan> when in rome
[10:07] <MooDoo> hail davmor2
[10:07] <diddledan> stab davmor2 !
[10:08] <daubers> diddledan: Do as the snamor?
[10:08] <MooDoo> !stab
[10:08] <MooDoo> rats
[10:08] <diddledan> daubers: snamor?
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> ♫ mr stabby
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> ?
[10:08] <daubers> diddledan: When in emor do as the snamor
[10:08] <diddledan> o_O
[10:09] <daubers> diddledan: Red Dwarf reference fail :-(
[10:09] <diddledan> oh, nodnol
[10:09] <daubers> :)
[10:10] <diddledan> I forget which country nodnol is in now
[10:10] <davmor2> When in Rome, kill Caesar they were stabbed regularly right :)
[10:13] <foobarry> has anyone been using copy.com in anger?
[10:13] <foobarry> need to migrate my ubuntu one
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> I prefer xcopy.exe
[10:14] <foobarry> lolz
[10:14] <foobarry> MartijnVdS: did you see the doge sponsored nascar?
[10:14] <awilkins> I still use Dropbox because I have a free account with > 9GB space
[10:14] <awilkins> And I only use about 3.5GB of it
[10:14] <foobarry> copy.com gives 20GB with referral link
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: I saw a picture.
[10:14] <awilkins> What are the client programs like?
[10:14] <foobarry> android and linux
[10:15] <awilkins> Do they understand PAC scripts?
[10:15] <foobarry> linux has a tray gui like dropbox/owncloud
[10:15] <foobarry> awilkins: i dunno, what's a pac script
[10:15] <awilkins> Proxy Auto Config : small javascript program that browsers use to work out whether to use a proxy and which one
[10:16] <foobarry> not sure
[10:16] <awilkins> My main gripe with Ubuntu One was that it just completely ignored your system proxy settings and didn't have a proxy settings panel of it's own
[10:16] <awilkins> My main gripe with Dropbox is that it can't process a PAC script
[10:16] <foobarry> box.net sucks as it has no client, and the sftp connect sucked
[10:16] <foobarry> how would i tell the pac existability
[10:17] <awilkins> Look in the proxy settings and see if it will accept a "proxy auto config URL" or summat
[10:17] <awilkins> Like the "Automatic" setting in the OS does
[10:18] <awilkins> I have one that works out whether I'm on the home network or the office network and configures browsers accordingly
[10:19] <foobarry> proxy type auto detect
[10:19] <foobarry> or u can specify
[10:19] <awilkins> Auto Detect usually tries to get a PAC script from ... http://wpad/wpad.dat
[10:19] <awilkins> It's an MS thing
[10:20] <foobarry> i have options of auto/http/socks4/5/none
[10:20] <foobarry> option of url, port and user/pass
[10:20] <awilkins> Maybe no PAC script then
[10:20] <awilkins> Is the client open-source?
[10:21] <awilkins> Guess not, probably
[10:21] <foobarry> appears not. seems to be a closed qt app
[10:30] <brobostigon> is there something like androidify which will run on a normal computer insted of android?
[10:33] <foobarry> maybe some flash sites
[10:33] <foobarry> http://www.wiiplayable.com/playgame.php?gameid=157
[10:36] <brobostigon> i shall have to install flash and try it.
[10:49] <foobarry> my wife has a jury summons although she's a full time mum of 2 kids
[10:49] <foobarry> anyone have experience with this? clearly not practical
[10:50] <MooDoo> foobarry: https://www.gov.uk/jury-service/overview
[10:51] <bashrc> someone got called to the jury?
[10:51] <MooDoo> foobarry: basically I think she'll have to do it.
[10:51] <foobarry> someone with very young children they are looking after and perhaps very elderly relatives and other onerous caring duties, or whose job would be severely affected and/or whose livelihood long-term could be jeopardised – such as the running of a small business – or someone who is ill. These people should make their circumstances known.
[10:52] <diddledan> foobarry, they wouldn't have me. I'm aparently not suitable for jury service because I'm a nutjob
[10:52] <bashrc> yes, under some circumstances I think you can get out of it
[10:52] <popey> I've never been asked
[10:52] <foobarry> 2 colleagues in a small office got asked in last few weeks
[10:52] <foobarry> now my wife.
[10:53] <foobarry> suspicious
[10:53] <bashrc> I've never been called
[10:53] <DJones> I got asked years ago, just wrote back and said that work committments that was planned and booked with clients for about 3 months ahead meant that I wouldn't be able to attend
[10:54] <shauno> I had no idea the UK did that.  seems obvious in retrospect
[11:08] <diddledan> shauno, no idea uk did jury service?
[11:08] <shauno> correct
[11:14] <Myrtti> http://www.theguardian.com/law/shortcuts/2013/feb/21/10-things-jurors-need-to-know :-D
[11:14] <Myrtti> that's funny
[11:14] <Myrtti> "Revel in the fact you are embedded in a live, anthropological experiment, which will expose the deep-held prejudices and life-affirming sensitivities of those around you in equal measure."
[11:15] <bashrc> I suppose we could do away with juries and just have summary execution
[11:16] <bashrc> witch hunts, maybe
[11:16] <diddledan> judges a la dredd is the way forward
[11:17] <bashrc> with the amount of data available on people, autopolicing is a scary possibility
[11:17] <bashrc> i.e. no need for trial, it's all in the logs
[11:17] <shauno> sounds like a win to me.  I'd trust the logs over my 'peers'
[11:18] <ali1234> we need slap drones
[11:18] <bashrc> I wouldn't trust the logs at all.  They can be easily changed
[11:18] <bashrc> drones which go around slapping people?
[11:18] <ali1234> pretty much
[11:19] <bashrc> that would be amusing
[11:24] <foobarry> i want the ability to punch people in the face over the phone
[11:24] <foobarry> why is that not real thing yet
[11:24] <ali1234> old school. i love how you said phone, not internet
[11:25] <foobarry> phone seems more phyiscal
[11:25] <foobarry> but delivering a punch via email is good too
[11:27] <bashrc> delivered via XMPP
[11:27] <foobarry> jabberwocky
[11:27] <diddledan> xml messaging punch protocol?
[11:27] <bashrc> jabberslap
[11:27] <foobarry> can you ftp some lunch to me too
[11:28]  * diddledan slaps bashrc with a wet trout
[11:28] <shauno> heh, jabberslap I like .. xmppow!
[11:28] <bashrc> :)
[11:29] <diddledan> hungry
[11:29] <diddledan> what can I eat?
[11:31] <shauno> http://soylent.me/
[11:34] <diddledan> shauno, but it's not green
[11:35] <davmor2> diddledan: kippers are better they smell more
[11:38] <MooDoo> smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast
[11:44] <diddledan> surely it's "stoke me a clipper", no?
[11:47] <MooDoo> don't think so, then again, not sure.
[11:47] <davmor2> diddledan: no
[11:47] <davmor2> MooDoo: you are rigth
[11:47] <davmor2> right even
[11:48] <davmor2> diddledan: I've definitely heard smoke me a kipper I'll be back for breakfast.  It may be a play on stoke me a clipper though
[11:49] <ali1234> The name "Stoke Me A Clipper" came from Ace Rimmer's  catch phrase, "Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast", but  because of Rimmer's incompetence he says it wrong and it comes out as  the title.
[11:49] <MooDoo> smoke me a kipper is from blackadder, flash by name and flash by nature, treat your woman like you treat your kite [plane] get in her 5 times a day and take her to heaven and back.
[13:36] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2g2ly3ssd97jyo0/IMG_20140506_143128.jpg
[13:36]  * daftykins whistles
[13:36] <diddledan_> pervert
[13:37] <daftykins> 0o
[13:37] <daftykins> time to grab a late lunch, then get registering all of these
[13:37] <daftykins> my enclosure didn't arrive yet though ;_;
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> initialize the RAID disk by disk
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> then swap them like floppies
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> "Please insert disk 4"
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> "Please insert disk 6"
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> "Please insert disk 2"
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> "Please insert disk 3"
[13:43] <daftykins> i feel compelled to see that sequence completed
[13:43] <daftykins> ;D
[13:45] <awilkins> "RAID corruption : REDO from start."
[13:45] <popey> R: TAPE LOADING ERROR
[13:46] <daftykins> popey: was memtest clean?
[13:46] <popey> yup
[13:46] <popey> switched back to chromium for a bit
[13:46] <daftykins> ho-hum
[13:46] <popey> indeed
[13:50] <popey> gonna try chromium for a week, see if I get a crash
[14:49] <daftykins> heh, a friend is headed to the isle of man for work, a taxi driver on the way up toward Manchester apparently told him he can bin his sunglasses 'cause he won't be needing them
[15:02] <awilkins> Someone set the weather knob to "damn gorgeous" - reckless behaviour, there'll be none left at the weekend.
[15:02] <daftykins> not seeing much over here
[16:40] <Myrtti> https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/64629 X-D
[17:07] <xplora1a> does this apply to the python apps that are pie related?
[17:10] <popey> mmmm pi
[17:10] <popey> also pie
[17:14] <daftykins> 1.5 pie
[17:57] <diddledan_> -_-
[17:57] <diddledan_> pie
[17:58] <diddledan_> my nanna insists on calling things pies when they're clerely tarts
[17:58] <diddledan_> clearly*
[20:35] <diddledan_> https://gist.github.com/af1e70513ae295d1ae16.git \o/ for quick n dirty scripts
[20:37] <diddledan_> in other news, how fast is my mirror? http://148.251.91.163/ubuntu-releases/
[20:37] <diddledan_> it's lightning quick to load - but there isn't anyone accessing it
[20:56] <shauno> 403'ing all the trusty isos probably keeps the load nice and low ;)
[20:57] <diddledan_> o_O
[21:01] <diddledan_> hmm, why are those 403?
[21:02] <diddledan_> there we go. fixed
[21:03] <shauno> that's better
[22:08] <mapps> easy win eh
[22:08] <mapps> 3-1 utd
[22:08] <diddledan_> \o/?
[22:10] <mapps> :)