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| Mirv | morning desktop | 04:00 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 04:11 |
| thumper | o/ pitti | 04:16 |
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| mlankhorst | Hello, world! | 06:51 |
| didrocks | hey mlankhorst | 06:51 |
| mlankhorst | morning | 06:52 |
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| Laney | hey hey hey | 08:04 |
| didrocks | morning Laney! | 08:04 |
| mvo | good monring Laney, didrocks and seb128 | 08:04 |
| didrocks | Guten Morgen mvo :) | 08:05 |
| Laney | hello didrocks et mvo, how's it going? | 08:05 |
| didrocks | I'm good thanks! yourself? | 08:05 |
| mvo | not too bad, thanks! | 08:05 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 08:06 |
| seb128 | hey hey hey Laney didrocks mvo | 08:06 |
| seb128 | Laney, how was your long W.E? | 08:06 |
| Laney | i'm good | 08:06 |
| didrocks | people daring taking bank holidays :-) | 08:07 |
| Laney | it was fun thank you! | 08:07 |
| Laney | + an extra day even ;-) | 08:07 |
| Laney | we got a canal boat and sailed around a bit | 08:07 |
| Laney | working the locks and stuff, I recommend it! | 08:08 |
| didrocks | nice weather? | 08:09 |
| Laney | i'm looking a bit pink ... | 08:09 |
| didrocks | waow :) | 08:09 |
| * didrocks won't make any comment on all people living "in the north" like seb128 or you ;) | 08:09 | |
| Laney | :P | 08:09 |
| didrocks | (and getting easy sunburn :p) | 08:09 |
| Laney | it's surprising that it can happen even if it doesn't feel that sunny | 08:14 |
| didrocks | yeah, clouds are a double trap, you don't feel that warm and don't think you can burn | 08:17 |
| seb128 | wind as well | 08:18 |
| seb128 | especially when you are on the water | 08:18 |
| didrocks | hum, I can't assign the thinkvantage button as a shortcut anymore on trusty :/ | 08:22 |
| * didrocks tried to change the shortcut script path it pointed at and it's broken now | 08:23 | |
| didrocks | assign to alt + u works though, it's clearly related to thinkvantage button | 08:23 |
| didrocks | ok, at least, same behavior in a guest | 08:25 |
| didrocks | [org/gnome/settings-daemon/plugins/media-keys/custom-keybindings/custom0] | 08:26 |
| didrocks | binding='Launch1' | 08:26 |
| didrocks | command='/home/didrocks/foo' | 08:26 |
| didrocks | name='creds' | 08:26 |
| pitti | Sweetsha1k: hey Bjoern | 08:28 |
| pitti | Sweetsha1k: we finally fixed the autopkgtest timeouts, now LibO fails "properly" | 08:29 |
| pitti | looks like a missing @builddeps@ or build-essential or similar dependency, depending on what the test needs to to | 08:29 |
| Laney | seb128: can you promote appdata-tools please? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appdata-tools/+bug/1315019 | 08:45 |
| seb128 | Laney, is anything (build-)depending on it yet? | 08:47 |
| Laney | cheese | 08:47 |
| seb128 | ok, so "yes" | 08:48 |
| seb128 | doing the promoting then | 08:48 |
| Laney | thanks! | 08:48 |
| seb128 | yw! | 08:48 |
| Laney | xnox: any thoughts on https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=675008 yet? | 09:04 |
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| didrocks | hum, seems that the thinkvantage button issue would be due to compiz | 09:38 |
| didrocks | popey: FYI ^ | 09:38 |
| didrocks | Trevinho: do you know about why a newly assigned shortcut won't work under unity? | 09:38 |
| popey | ☹ | 09:38 |
| didrocks | popey: assigning it to compiz directly works as a workaround | 09:39 |
| popey | how? | 09:40 |
| didrocks | popey: what's your reaction if you hear about ccsm? :p | 09:40 |
| xnox | Laney: in ubuntu we source /etc/profile.d/*.sh from /etc/profile, similar to what fedora does. | 09:40 |
| xnox | Laney: however, fedora also sources /etc/profile.d/*.sh from /etc/bashrc | 09:41 |
| popey | didrocks: meh, i have it installed, use it to enable various random things - what's the spell to cast? | 09:41 |
| didrocks | popey: in the "general" area, you have "commands" | 09:41 |
| darkxst | yeh that is the cause of the whole gnome-terminal vte.sh sourcing issue! | 09:42 |
| didrocks | popey: assign a command line | 09:42 |
| didrocks | go to the next tab | 09:42 |
| didrocks | and assign to the corresponding number the keyboard shortcut | 09:42 |
| didrocks | seems that the compiz <-> u-c-c integration is clearly broken | 09:42 |
| darkxst | bug 1132700 | 09:43 |
| darkxst | and mainly why we are still stuck with gnome-terminal 3.6 | 09:43 |
| Laney | yes, that's what i'm asking about | 09:43 |
| xnox | Laney: i really see no harm in not sourcing /etc/profile.d/* since i'm yet to see snippets dropped there that "may not be ever executed more than once" | 09:43 |
| xnox | Laney: i'm making a patch now, and will send it to bts & doko and will nmu that. | 09:44 |
| xnox | Laney: i guess you do want it in debian, and not just ubuntu? | 09:45 |
| popey | didrocks: woohoo! thanks! | 09:46 |
| didrocks | popey: yw! ;) | 09:46 |
| Laney | xnox: cool, good luck with that ;) | 09:46 |
| Laney | I don't see any reason this would be ubuntu specific, indeed | 09:46 |
| seb128 | didrocks, u-c-c custom commands wfm | 09:46 |
| didrocks | seb128: it works here as well, but not for the thinkvantage button, if I reassign | 09:46 |
| didrocks | seb128: popey confirms it as well | 09:46 |
| seb128 | I don't know what "thinkvantge" is | 09:47 |
| didrocks | I got the issue this morning when trying to change the script path | 09:47 |
| didrocks | seb128: big blue button on thinkpad laptop | 09:47 |
| popey | seb128: blue button on a thinkpad ☻ | 09:47 |
| seb128 | oh ok | 09:47 |
| * seb128 has Dell | 09:47 | |
| seb128 | well, normal keybindings work | 09:47 |
| seb128 | I just assigned ctrl-alt-e to "gedit" | 09:47 |
| seb128 | and it runs it | 09:47 |
| didrocks | yeah, not sure how or why that one broken | 09:47 |
| didrocks | and started to be broken when I reassign the script | 09:47 |
| darkxst | the thinkpad special keys are handled slightly different | 09:48 |
| didrocks | the name between GNOME and compiz aren't the same | 09:48 |
| didrocks | like, it's Launch1 under GNOME | 09:48 |
| didrocks | and XF86Launch1 for compiz | 09:48 |
| didrocks | popey: after a dconf dump /org/compiz/integrated/ | 09:49 |
| didrocks | on the laptop you never reassigned | 09:50 |
| didrocks | did you have anything setup? | 09:50 |
| popey | GNNNN. I would tell you if my trusty desktop hadn't just booted up in low-graphics mode | 09:53 |
| didrocks | popey: he felt you wanted to hurt it! :) | 09:54 |
| popey | ☹ | 09:54 |
| popey | this shouldn't happen ☹ | 09:54 |
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| Laney | Anyone want to try gnome-terminal from lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-terminal/ubuntu-current ? I re-added a patch we used to have to use the transparency that the theme sets for the background. | 10:28 |
| Laney | larsu: do you think rishi would be interested in doing something like that in his transparency patch btw? It adds a property which makes g-t read the transparency from the theme instead of the profile's settings | 10:39 |
| xnox | Laney: oh, speaking of which the light theme needs activating for gnome terminal (ambience?!) | 10:40 |
| xnox | Laney: <doko> can you pester me at the sprint again? have to do some real work ;p | 10:40 |
| Laney | activating? | 10:40 |
| Laney | hey, this is real work >:| | 10:40 |
| xnox | Laney: so far i've subverted all of his argumentation =) | 10:40 |
| Laney | good work | 10:40 |
| larsu | Laney: don't know. Let's ask him when he's around | 10:41 |
| Laney | okay | 10:41 |
| larsu | this is for g-t 3.12? | 10:42 |
| Laney | his stuff would be | 10:42 |
| larsu | k | 10:42 |
| Laney | that patch I just (re)added was an old one we already had | 10:42 |
| Laney | our theme already sets the value | 10:42 |
| Laney | we just dumped the patch for some reason | 10:42 |
| xnox | Laney: yeah, so light-themes has "dark" gnome-terminal (radiance?!) but the "light" one is commented out (ambience?!) | 10:43 |
| Laney | xnox: Looks like they're the same if you ignore the commented out stuff | 10:45 |
| xnox | Laney: are they?! hm. i thought there was something special about it. let me test it out. | 10:47 |
| xnox | i thought tabs were suppose to get nicer matching colors, or some such. | 10:48 |
| Laney | It just sets the default transparency & background & text colour | 10:49 |
| xnox | meh, ok. | 10:50 |
| Laney | I think the rest of it is standard gtk stuff | 10:50 |
| popey | didrocks: only has alt for show-hud, nothing else, on desktop | 10:50 |
| Laney | pitti: I just remembered our conversation on Friday --- do you think http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/05/02/#ubuntu-devel.html#t16:32 could explain why it doesn't pass? | 10:53 |
| darkxst | Laney, that patch won't work with the new(er) gnome-terminal, they remove the api's | 10:54 |
| Laney | darkxst: that's what I just asked Lars about | 10:54 |
| Laney | there's a patch (or intention to write one) to keep transparency | 10:55 |
| Laney | pitti: (xnox:) going to skip dbus-test-runner for now anyway | 10:55 |
| xnox | Laney: as in force-bad-test? and thus gvfs will migrate?! | 10:56 |
| Laney | it's a possibility | 10:57 |
| xnox | Laney: it looks like it's bustle related, since "needs-build" does a build without bustle, whilst adt-test does _with_ bustle installed (or at least that's the intention...) and something somewhere doesn't like that. | 10:57 |
| Laney | I think the idea is to not recompile in the actual test, just to run the testsuite | 10:59 |
| Laney | it's pretty weird | 10:59 |
| pitti | Laney, xnox: BTW, gvfs' test failure is real (due to new libgphoto2), on my list after the bigger fires were putout | 10:59 |
| Laney | oh | 10:59 |
| Laney | I think that britney has forgotten about that one | 10:59 |
| Laney | pitti: do you want to fix it before gvfs goes in or later? | 11:00 |
| pitti | Laney: if it holds up lib transitions, feel free to override | 11:01 |
| pitti | Laney: it's not a simple fix, and as I'm also patch pilot today and also have to do something for the OEM team, I don't expect to get to it today | 11:01 |
| Laney | It doesn't hold them up, but only because (adt-)britney has forgotten about it | 11:02 |
| pitti | Laney: that's one of the "urgent" thinks I'm currently busy with, BTW -- reviewing jibel's fix for that very britney bug :) | 11:03 |
| pitti | thinks -> things | 11:03 |
| Laney | great, I've been hoping for that one :) | 11:03 |
| Laney | uploaded g-t to the desktop ppa, btw | 11:13 |
| xnox | Laney: \o/ britney still has dementia gvfs is in =) | 11:22 |
| Laney | nice | 11:23 |
| Laney | plist hooooo | 11:23 |
| xnox | apart from haskell, there is only mpich transition left and bits&bobs of boost transition | 11:24 |
| xnox | yeah ;-) plist is now done. | 11:24 |
| xnox | Laney: do you know how to get a shell inside the test environment with "adt-run" & qemu? | 11:24 |
| Laney | nope, I've not used that yet | 11:25 |
| Laney | it was easy with the old run-adt-test | 11:25 |
| xnox | yeah. | 11:25 |
| xnox | pitti: how to get shell inside test environment with "adt-run" & qemu runner? "--shell" doesn't seem to do that for me. | 11:25 |
| pitti | xnox: it doesn't directly throw you into a shell, right; it prints out various commands (in descending "niceness") how to log in | 11:26 |
| pitti | xnox: i. e. usually with ssh, but if that's broken you can also use minicom or even nc | 11:26 |
| pitti | xnox: -s is more useful, btw (only shell on failed tests) | 11:26 |
| pitti | xnox: or do you just want a virgin environment without any autopkgtset stuff run before? | 11:27 |
| xnox | pitti: http://youtu.be/2xW5xK3UeXs =) | 11:27 |
| xnox | (that's about minicom & nc =)))) ) | 11:27 |
| xnox | pitti: i want with autopkgtest just finished running (or failing) | 11:28 |
| Laney | # For a native build we would also want to append /usr/lib/pkgconfig | 11:28 |
| Laney | # at this point; but this is a cross-building script, so don't | 11:28 |
| Laney | grr! | 11:28 |
| pitti | xnox: yes, then --shell should do exactly that; what does it say after the test? | 11:29 |
| xnox | pitti: well let me try again. | 11:29 |
| pitti | xnox: that's how it's supposed to look like: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7409845/ | 11:31 |
| pitti | xnox: I think it's currently broken if you use --output-dir; do you? | 11:31 |
| xnox | i am rebuilding my cloud image. only had -proposed enabled and that's it i think. | 11:32 |
| pitti | xnox: yes, with --output-dir I get some "IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/proc/15433/fd/pipe:[967428]'" gobbledigok | 11:32 |
| pitti | (on my list, but medium prio) | 11:33 |
| pitti | xnox: ah, you are not using the adt-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud ones? | 11:33 |
| xnox | i am. | 11:34 |
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| xnox | pitti: no i don't get that, i believe this is because package build fails and it declares needs-building. | 11:46 |
| xnox | (fails due to test-suite error) | 11:46 |
| pitti | xnox: aaah | 11:54 |
| pitti | xnox: indeed, --shell doesn't work on package build failures | 11:54 |
| pitti | xnox: that's a good point, mind filing a bug? (LP or Debian, doesn't matteR) | 11:54 |
| xnox | pitti: removed that, changed tests, trying now with -B .// option | 11:54 |
| xnox | Bug #1317055 | 11:56 |
| xnox | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: build-essential:native | 11:57 |
| xnox | pitti: what do i need to upgrade to get that ^ | 11:57 |
| * xnox does a full-distupgrade | 11:57 | |
| xnox | lunch time. | 11:57 |
| pitti | xnox: not released yet, I'm afraid, still in git | 11:57 |
| pitti | xnox: git clone http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=autopkgtest/autopkgtest.git | 11:58 |
| xnox | ok... | 11:58 |
| xnox | =( | 11:58 |
| pitti | xnox: and /where/ever/run-from-checkout instead of adt-run | 11:58 |
| * ogra_ sighs about the new FF UI ... | 12:04 | |
| ogra_ | i dont mind the new look, but why oh why did they have to make the close buttons for tabs so super tiny | 12:05 |
| mvo_ | ogra_: hehe, the term FF is a bit overloaded, I was pondering for a moment what ui FeatureFreeze has and then when you got a new FullFrame camera ;) | 12:10 |
| ogra_ | lol | 12:10 |
| xnox | Laney: uploaded into utopic, patch+NMU intent sent to debian. | 12:14 |
| Laney | xnox: haha, did he give in? | 12:41 |
| mlankhorst | noon | 12:42 |
| xnox | Laney: no, complained once he read utopic-changes. | 12:43 |
| Laney | :D | 12:43 |
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| xnox | Laney: i pointed that i'm going to nmu this into debian as well as per patch on the debian bug report. | 12:44 |
| xnox | Laney: and talking to him, gave me more rebutal points to include in the patch email i sent to BTS =) | 12:44 |
| Laney | not sure that'll sooth the flames ... | 12:44 |
| pitti | ogra_: you actually use the close button on tabs? I only ever middle-click there | 12:44 |
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| pitti | ogra_: (or ctrl+w) | 12:44 |
| Laney | 'd' (vimperator ftw) | 12:44 |
| xnox | Laney: my plan is to duck & hide in malta and bribe doko with beer | 12:44 |
| ogra_ | pitti, no middle click on my touchpad ... | 12:45 |
| pitti | I don't even see close buttons | 12:45 |
| xnox | pitti: you must not be wearing ubuntu glasses | 12:45 |
| ogra_ | you dont have a small X in the active tab ? | 12:45 |
| Laney | xnox: anyway, thanks, that'll unblock gnome-terminal once we get the patch to bring transparency back | 12:45 |
| Laney | larsu: ↑ fyi | 12:46 |
| larsu | ah, cool | 12:46 |
| pitti | xnox: no, probably too many tabs :) | 12:46 |
| Laney | you could pop round to doko's house and massage his shoulders or something | 12:46 |
| Laney | :) | 12:46 |
| * Laney brb | 12:47 | |
| xnox | Laney: i don't think that would fly at all. | 12:47 |
| Laney | someone would fly | 12:47 |
| xnox | i nominate infinity | 12:52 |
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| pmcgowan | mlankhorst, looks like you have a fix! nice | 14:13 |
| pmcgowan | tseliot, nice | 14:13 |
| tseliot | :) | 14:14 |
| mlankhorst | yeah hopefully, pending review :P | 14:17 |
| seb128 | what bug was that? | 14:27 |
| seb128 | the "can't dnd the uitk apps from the touchscreen"? | 14:27 |
| seb128 | or the segfault one? | 14:27 |
| tseliot | seb128: the former, but I can't reproduce the latter either | 14:27 |
| seb128 | I had some errors in valgrind | 14:29 |
| seb128 | and I can reproduce the segfault | 14:30 |
| seb128 | but not under valgrind | 14:30 |
| tseliot | seb128: can you try xserver-xorg-core from the same ppa, please? | 14:32 |
| seb128 | what ppa is that? | 14:32 |
| tseliot | seb128: https://launchpad.net/~canonical-x/+archive/x-staging | 14:33 |
| tseliot | seb128: the new qt and xserver-xorg-core are what you should test | 14:33 |
| tseliot | as per https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1307701 | 14:33 |
| tseliot | they might fix the second bug you mentioned too | 14:34 |
| seb128 | tseliot, thanks | 14:36 |
| seb128 | om26er, hey, did you have slots to look at the u-s-s CI issues? | 14:38 |
| om26er | seb128, sorry I didn't look at that yesterday. Looking at that now and it seems its failing on the very start of the test. | 14:41 |
| om26er | the phase where it actually expects a page to be opened | 14:41 |
| om26er | seb128, which MR is it related to ? | 14:42 |
| seb128 | om26er, it happens on all the mps for a month or so | 14:47 |
| seb128 | well the settings ones | 14:47 |
| seb128 | om26er, https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-system-settings/ignore-updates-autopilot/+merge/218481 is a recent one | 14:47 |
| seb128 | or https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-settings/+activereviews if you prefer the list | 14:47 |
| om26er | seb128, it passes on mako, only otto is failing. I'll run them on my desktop first and see if it happens or not and then contact francis | 14:48 |
| seb128 | om26er, thanks | 14:48 |
| seb128 | om26er, I've no issue locally either, so I'm unsure how to debug | 14:49 |
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| seb128 | tseliot, mlankhorst, pmcgowan: the xserver/qt in that ppa works great for me, I can dnd the apps without issue and I didn't hit the xserver segfault yet (though I couldn't easily trigger it before, so it might be that I just got lucky so far) | 15:18 |
| pmcgowan | seb128, awesome | 15:18 |
| mlankhorst | seb128: goodie, I've written an xorg-integration-tests testcase too | 15:19 |
| tseliot | :) | 15:19 |
| jibel | om26er,^^ can you try xserver-xorg-core from x-staging ppa and verify it fixes 1307701 for you too and that X stops crashing | 15:36 |
| mlankhorst | it's qtbase that's important :P | 15:36 |
| jibel | om26er, or what mlankhorst said :) | 15:36 |
| mlankhorst | the xorg-server parts probably only matters if you run in valgrind | 15:37 |
| seb128 | enable the ppa and upgrade | 15:38 |
| seb128 | those are the only trusty updates in there | 15:38 |
| mlankhorst | I'll sru it tomorrow after people tested it some more, needs a small fix to prevent the bug from occuring on tablets. :P | 15:58 |
| seb128 | Laney, do you some free slot to discuss the unity8-desktop image/where we start to bootstrap that? | 16:10 |
| Laney | seb128: yeah, now? | 16:12 |
| seb128 | Laney, well, just IRC chatting on the channel ... now if it works for you, yes ;-) | 16:12 |
| seb128 | do you have opinion on where we start? | 16:12 |
| Laney | what do you think the idea is? | 16:13 |
| Laney | is it to provide all of the applications and everything? | 16:13 |
| seb128 | the goal ? or how I would start ? | 16:14 |
| Laney | mir or x? | 16:14 |
| Laney | the goal | 16:14 |
| seb128 | the goal seems to be "unity8 on Mir + new core apps + some more desktop apps" | 16:14 |
| seb128 | well I assume on Mir | 16:14 |
| seb128 | like unity8-desktop-session-mir | 16:14 |
| seb128 | Rick said it's fine to have one app on screen at time/fullscreen | 16:14 |
| seb128 | bregma, there? your input might be useful in that discussion | 16:15 |
| Laney | so it's -desktop-session-mir and the apps from touch | 16:15 |
| Laney | I don't know how we'd do click apps ... | 16:16 |
| seb128 | let's start by not doing click | 16:16 |
| bregma | seb128, what? Are you planning to do an ISO or something? | 16:16 |
| seb128 | bregma, yes | 16:16 |
| seb128 | bregma, Rick wants us to do a new desktop iso with unity8 | 16:16 |
| bregma | that's what I thought | 16:17 |
| seb128 | bregma, the idea is to not disrupt too much the current desktop, so rather than being too agressive swapping pieces, we build a new iso and ramp that up | 16:17 |
| Laney | it feels like a more sensible approach to me | 16:17 |
| bregma | right, need a new metapackage to replace ubuntu-desktop | 16:17 |
| Laney | we can still do swapping but there's less pressure to get stuff out there | 16:17 |
| Laney | because it already is | 16:17 |
| seb128 | bregma, basically we want to replace unity7 by unity8-desktop-session-mir right? | 16:21 |
| seb128 | well I guess lot of stuff to drop as well | 16:21 |
| Laney | we don't need any of the applications that won't work yet | 16:22 |
| seb128 | right | 16:22 |
| seb128 | so do we start from an empty seed | 16:22 |
| seb128 | or do we "derive" from some existing one? | 16:22 |
| bregma | seb128, I'd start by copying the ubuntu-desktop package, stripping anything X-related (gnome, unity) but leaving the rest, and adding unity8-desktop-session-mir, then seed that | 16:23 |
| jibel | mlankhorst, seb128 it's been hard but I'm able to reproduce 1307701 with the package from the PPA | 16:23 |
| jibel | I get Xlib: sequence lost in reply type 0x23 on the console | 16:23 |
| jibel | I'll try to find a reliable way to reproduce it | 16:23 |
| seb128 | jibel, thanks, what did you do to reproduce it? | 16:24 |
| seb128 | jibel, is that the same stacktracE? | 16:24 |
| jibel | seb128, no crash for the moment, just DnD is broken | 16:24 |
| seb128 | jibel, oh, ok | 16:24 |
| jibel | seb128, I've 2 gallery-app, 1 gnome-terminal and 1 gedit. I'll reboot and try again | 16:25 |
| seb128 | bregma, do you know what's the status of XMir? | 16:25 |
| seb128 | jibel, ok | 16:25 |
| bregma | seb128, as far as I know it is not longer being developed and not really supported | 16:25 |
| seb128 | ok | 16:25 |
| seb128 | so not really an option if we want to get ubiquity working | 16:25 |
| seb128 | the right solution is either to get the GTK Mir backend working then, or to port ubiquity to qt5 | 16:26 |
| xnox | bregma: someone from mir team was looking into getting ubiquity to run under Mir was that at all invested in? | 16:26 |
| xnox | bregma: can qt4 work under Mir? | 16:26 |
| xnox | bregma: else i'll need to look into porting ubiquity to qt5 urgently. | 16:26 |
| bregma | yeah | 16:26 |
| xnox | bregma: was that answer to 1st, 2nd, or 3rd statements? =) | 16:27 |
| xnox | bregma: or none ? =) | 16:27 |
| bregma | or just include an X server to run ubiquity on a separate session maybe? | 16:27 |
| xnox | bregma: that's what ubiquity already does by default. | 16:27 |
| bregma | then there should not be a rush to get it working on Mir | 16:28 |
| xnox | bregma: so it pre-empts lightdm, and it starts it's own X server & ubiquity-dm "display manager". | 16:28 |
| seb128 | well, that image is not going to have X | 16:28 |
| xnox | bregma: if one quits that, lightdm does auto-login into whatever default is. | 16:28 |
| bregma | unless we include it just for ubiquity, as a transition | 16:29 |
| bregma | stage 1; include X, stage 2: port uniquity | 16:29 |
| xnox | seb128: seeding X just for ubiquity sounds good. I can actually go ahead and add an explicit dependency in ubiquity just in case. | 16:29 |
| seb128 | well, how would that work? | 16:29 |
| seb128 | like you boot the live session | 16:29 |
| seb128 | end up with Mir/unity8 | 16:29 |
| seb128 | how do you run ubiquity/what happens? | 16:30 |
| xnox | seb128: oh, you will not be able to start ubiquity from live session. | 16:30 |
| xnox | seb128: you can boot into installer or you can boot into live session -> the way the boot menu is currently presented on UEFI that is the case. | 16:30 |
| seb128 | ok | 16:30 |
| seb128 | so you have both options | 16:30 |
| seb128 | test/install | 16:30 |
| seb128 | but the test/liveCD can't lead to an install | 16:30 |
| seb128 | that wfm | 16:30 |
| seb128 | the goal is to have GTK/Mir ready this cycle anyway | 16:31 |
| Laney | will it install X then? | 16:31 |
| xnox | Laney: yes, i will add an X dependency on ubiquity-frontend-gtk. | 16:31 |
| Laney | that sounds weird | 16:31 |
| Laney | we'll be able to seed whatever we want | 16:31 |
| xnox | Laney: ok. | 16:31 |
| Laney | I was more meaning that it's not that desirable to install it in this case | 16:31 |
| Laney | but I guess it doesn't matter that much | 16:32 |
| xnox | Laney: well if i port kubuntu's qt4 frontend to qt5 that may work, but will pull in python3-qt5. | 16:32 |
| xnox | Laney: unless i use something like pyotherside. | 16:32 |
| seb128 | that image is not going to be built from main | 16:32 |
| xnox | seb128: oh, cool! | 16:33 |
| seb128 | so doesn't bother about component mismatch | 16:33 |
| seb128 | well, at least not in a first time | 16:33 |
| seb128 | we don't want to block it on promoting all the core apps | 16:33 |
| bregma | doesn't lightdm require X11 anyway? Or is there a Unity8 Greeter for lightdm I'm missing? | 16:34 |
| seb128 | we don't need a greeter to autologin | 16:34 |
| seb128 | but good point | 16:34 |
| seb128 | we might as well keep xorg on the iso for now | 16:34 |
| Laney | I think we'll have to | 16:34 |
| Laney | I'd just rather avoid pulling it by accident if that's possible | 16:35 |
| Laney | not the end of the world for now though, for that reason and probably others | 16:35 |
| Laney | I think a good first goal is to get something you can boot and install even if it doesn't have much content beyond unity8 | 16:37 |
| bregma | and the core apps, there's no point in installing a system without sudoku | 16:39 |
| xnox | bregma: hahahahahahahaha | 16:39 |
| bregma | or, um, the terminal app | 16:39 |
| bregma | I meant to say | 16:39 |
| Laney | what's the one that is a grid of stallmans | 16:39 |
| didrocks | bregma: way less funny! :p | 16:40 |
| Laney | we should open that by default | 16:40 |
| didrocks | Laney: +1 | 16:40 |
| didrocks | otherwise, we can't do Linux Action Shows! | 16:40 |
| Laney | but actually click packages present issues | 16:40 |
| didrocks | :) | 16:40 |
| didrocks | in Mir world even? | 16:40 |
| Laney | almost certainly not for the first images | 16:40 |
| Laney | for a more desktop style iso I think so | 16:41 |
| Laney | I didn't look into how they are preinstalled for touch | 16:41 |
| Laney | but I'm anticipating issues | 16:41 |
| ogra_ | livecd-rootfs has a hackish hook for that | 16:41 |
| didrocks | ogra_: ^ | 16:41 |
| didrocks | ah :) | 16:41 |
| Laney | hahaha | 16:41 |
| Laney | reassuring | 16:41 |
| didrocks | faster :p | 16:41 |
| bregma | as I understand, the problem is not click packages per se but the installer back end is incompatible between apt and click | 16:41 |
| xnox | Laney: they are preinstalled into livefs and that's about it. | 16:41 |
| xnox | Laney: users can "unregister" or "upgrade" them. | 16:42 |
| Laney | so the concept of installing the image probably breaks that | 16:42 |
| xnox | Laney: that is -> make newer version my version, or make it not available to me. | 16:42 |
| ogra_ | the hook reads http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/click_packages/click_list and just installs them | 16:42 |
| xnox | Laney: nah, it's all preserved. | 16:42 |
| xnox | Laney: as long as /usr/ is copied across you'd have everything afresh & registered on the installed imaged. | 16:42 |
| xnox | Laney: is this image going to use system-image updates? | 16:43 |
| Laney | is it ... | 16:43 |
| xnox | Laney: in that case ubiquity installer is pointless. | 16:43 |
| Laney | no | 16:43 |
| ogra_ | do you guys at least properly start with a system-image install ? | 16:43 |
| seb128 | no | 16:43 |
| ogra_ | lame | 16:43 |
| seb128 | ! | 16:43 |
| Laney | not lame | 16:43 |
| Laney | the idea is to get something which works | 16:43 |
| ogra_ | super lame ... | 16:43 |
| xnox | ogra_: that is patent encombared you mean "ogg" don't you? | 16:44 |
| seb128 | we are going to need to sort out system-image, and how to keep apt working | 16:44 |
| seb128 | clicks as well | 16:44 |
| Laney | also the question is before the tb | 16:44 |
| ogra_ | xnox, lol | 16:44 |
| Laney | it is pretty much out of scope | 16:44 |
| seb128 | but those are out of scope to get started | 16:44 |
| * ogra_ eagerly waits to be able to upgrade his desktop in 15 min instead of 4h | 16:44 | |
| seb128 | Laney, ok, so we start doing the same as we do for normal desktop | 16:44 |
| seb128 | just with another seed? | 16:44 |
| Laney | think so | 16:45 |
| seb128 | k | 16:45 |
| xnox | seb128: note that current touch images don't install recommends -> which may or may not mean it is installable with recommends. | 16:45 |
| seb128 | so step 1, doing a seed | 16:45 |
| Laney | we'll need to talk to foundations/cdimage people to get it set up | 16:45 |
| seb128 | step 2, finding somebody who knows how to build an iso from it | 16:45 |
| xnox | Laney: anyone can push a new seed. | 16:45 |
| Laney | thanks I know how seed branches work | 16:46 |
| xnox | Laney: into the seed-project, it's just ping cjwatson to get germinate running against it. | 16:46 |
| Laney | I'm talking about cdimage | 16:46 |
| seb128 | k | 16:46 |
| seb128 | Laney, it's getting eod for me, so I don't think I'm going to start on that today | 16:46 |
| xnox | Laney: ah, right. I thought you are ~ubuntu-cdimage person with access & all. | 16:46 |
| seb128 | tomorrow is off here | 16:46 |
| Laney | access but not all the knowledge | 16:46 |
| seb128 | Laney, if you want to start the seed tomorrow, please do | 16:46 |
| seb128 | otherwise we can look at it friday if you prefer | 16:46 |
| Laney | ok | 16:46 |
| seb128 | once we have the seed we can start looking for nice cdimage people to help us getting an iso built/published ;-) | 16:47 |
| Laney | I could at least make a good go at doing that if someone told me all the places to touch | 16:48 |
| seb128 | bregma, btw, is there any trick to make unity8 work with touch? I find it weird that my inspiron touch screen works fine under unity7 but unity8 doesn't do anything from it | 16:48 |
| Laney | should be possible to get some of the way locally anyway | 16:48 |
| bregma | seb128, your hardware may need to be defined as an Android touch device for Mir to recognize it properly | 16:49 |
| seb128 | bregma, that's an inspiron 11 (3000 serie) ... how do I do that? | 16:49 |
| bregma | all of mine work out of the box now, but initially I had to create a file somewhere with hexadecimal device IDs in the title, can;t recall the details.... | 16:50 |
| bregma | I'll need to dig that up | 16:50 |
| seb128 | bregma, should I rather ask on #ubuntu-mir maybe? | 16:51 |
| bregma | maybe, that would probably be RAOF's area | 16:51 |
| seb128 | ok, so for later tonight | 16:52 |
| seb128 | well, anyway, no hurry | 16:52 |
| seb128 | I just tried the session, and that was one of the things that seemed weird to me | 16:52 |
| * ogra_ sees the backlog and wonders if "tomorrow is off here" is the most used sentence in french ... | 16:52 | |
| ogra_ | feels like i hear that once a week recently :) | 16:53 |
| Laney | it's a good time of year! | 16:54 |
| Laney | we have a bank holiday that clashes with malta :| | 16:55 |
| ogra_ | bah, thats sad | 16:55 |
| Laney | the next week will be shorter :) | 16:57 |
| seb128 | just swap it | 16:57 |
| seb128 | ogra_, May is gold for holidays here yes | 16:57 |
| seb128 | ogra_, btw tomorrow is thanks to you guys | 16:57 |
| ogra_ | swap it with a french ... then you can get two for one ;) | 16:57 |
| seb128 | it's the end of the second war | 16:57 |
| ogra_ | haha | 16:57 |
| ogra_ | yeah, we dont celebrate that here ... i wonder why | 16:58 |
| * ogra_ guesses germany would have the most reason to celebrate that | 16:58 | |
| seb128 | yeah | 16:59 |
| Laney | yay @ u-s-s cross building again | 17:02 |
| Laney | laney aka sisyphus | 17:02 |
| didrocks | see you guys! :) | 17:02 |
| seb128 | Laney, what was the issue? | 17:15 |
| Laney | cross pkg-config stopped looking in /usr/lib/pkgconfig/ for pcfiles | 17:15 |
| Laney | so a couple of packages needed to be converted to use multiarch paths | 17:15 |
| Laney | climbing time, see you tomorrow! | 17:17 |
| seb128 | k | 17:23 |
| seb128 | I guess it's a wanted change in pkg-config? | 17:24 |
| Laney | yeah it means you can't accidentally get build arch libraries | 17:43 |
| Laney | (didn't go climbing, weird elbow pain/tendonitis → wait a day or two) | 17:43 |
| seb128 | k | 17:45 |
| seb128 | Laney, good luck with the elbow, I hope you don't have a real tendonitis, or you can day->week | 17:46 |
| seb128 | on that note, dinner time, see you on friday everyone | 17:46 |
| Laney | thanks, i'll see how it's improving tomorrow i guess | 17:46 |
| Laney | have a nice day off | 17:46 |
| seb128 | thanks | 17:46 |
| mlankhorst | so it's stil possible to reproduce, just a whole lot harder? | 22:10 |
| Laney | mlankhorst: does xorg.conf always get moved away during release upgrades, do you know? | 22:13 |
| Laney | I just had a laptop that was upgraded to 14.04 today which it'd happened to, breaking brightness changing | 22:13 |
| Laney | what's the mouse gesture for opening the dash or the application switcher? | 22:22 |
| Laney | on that same laptop (macbook air) they accidentally activate all the time and it's really really annoying | 22:22 |
| Laney | (not a new bug, that happened with 13.10 too) | 22:23 |
| Laney | Trevinho: ^? | 22:23 |
| Laney | maybe it's a synaptics problem | 22:24 |
| * Laney goes to bed | 22:24 | |
| === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away | ||
| Trevinho | Laney: mh, I've never been working much on the gesture side (as I don't have the hardware for it), but there have been some fixes about the launcher showing on 4-finger gestures afaik | 22:38 |
| === sarnold_ is now known as sarnold | ||
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