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| belkinsa | godbyk and pmatulis_: ready? | 17:54 |
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| godbyk | belkinsa: Yep! | 17:57 |
| belkinsa | Perfect./ | 17:57 |
| belkinsa | #startmeeting Doc Team Meeting | 18:00 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Wed May 7 18:00:18 2014 UTC. The chair is belkinsa. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 18:00 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 18:00 |
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| belkinsa | chair godbyk pmatulis_ | 18:00 |
| belkinsa | #chair godbyk pmatulis_ | 18:00 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: belkinsa godbyk pmatulis_ | 18:00 |
| belkinsa | Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda | 18:01 |
| belkinsa | Who is here for the Doc Team meeting? | 18:01 |
| godbyk | o/ | 18:01 |
| GunnarHj | o/ | 18:01 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 18:01 |
| belkinsa | Anyone else? | 18:01 |
| pmatulis_ | hi, i'm here | 18:02 |
| belkinsa | Prefect, you are one of the chairs, pmatulis_ and godbyk, | 18:02 |
| GunnarHj | So there are three chairs and me. ;) | 18:02 |
| belkinsa | And pleia2. | 18:03 |
| belkinsa | She is not one. | 18:03 |
| GunnarHj | Aha, right.. | 18:03 |
| belkinsa | Okay, starting now. | 18:03 |
| belkinsa | The first item is: Find a time, day, and week for our monthly meetings | 18:03 |
| belkinsa | #topic Find a time, day, and week for our monthly meetings | 18:03 |
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| belkinsa | I was thinking about using the same day and time as this meeting for every month. Would this work for everyone? | 18:04 |
| pmatulis_ | not me, 1 hr earlier is better | 18:05 |
| godbyk | As far as I know right now, yes. My schedule is likely to change a bit in a couple weeks, though, but I'll try to keep this slot open for our meeting. | 18:05 |
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| belkinsa | Alright, pmatulis_. And cool, godbyk. | 18:05 |
| shaunm | hi all | 18:05 |
| GunnarHj | Fine for me, whether 1h earlier or not. | 18:05 |
| godbyk | belkinsa: An hour earlier is fine for me, too. | 18:05 |
| godbyk | Hi, shaunm. | 18:05 |
| belkinsa | Hey all, shaunm, we are figuring out a date and time for our monthly meetings. One our earlier is the most voted option and the same day. | 18:06 |
| pleia2 | this is a tricky discussion to have during the meeting where all attendees can make this time ;) | 18:07 |
| godbyk | pleia2: Good point. :) | 18:07 |
| belkinsa | Agreed, would this be better via mailing-list? | 18:07 |
| pleia2 | well, I think we just agree to an hour earlier than this time and re-evaluate later | 18:08 |
| belkinsa | Sure, that can work. | 18:08 |
| godbyk | I'd post that time to the list and see if anyone can't make it. | 18:08 |
| belkinsa | Alright, do you want to take that action item, godbyk? | 18:09 |
| GunnarHj | Yeah, let's decide and let people who are not here object. | 18:09 |
| godbyk | belkinsa: Sure. | 18:09 |
| belkinsa | #action godbyk Post the new time (and date) for our monthly meetings to the list and ask if it's a good time for the rest | 18:10 |
| meetingology | ACTION: godbyk Post the new time (and date) for our monthly meetings to the list and ask if it's a good time for the rest | 18:10 |
| godbyk | Which Wednesday are we interested in? First Wednesday of the month or some other one? | 18:10 |
| belkinsa | Oh, I think the first Wednesday of the month. | 18:10 |
| belkinsa | But anyone else can voice something else. | 18:11 |
| pmatulis_ | wow, this is going to be a long meeting | 18:11 |
| belkinsa | It will, since there is a lot of items. | 18:12 |
| GunnarHj | Let's go for first Wednesday, please, and go on. | 18:12 |
| belkinsa | Sure. | 18:13 |
| belkinsa | Moving on... | 18:13 |
| belkinsa | #Topic vUDS Prep | 18:13 |
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| belkinsa | The vUDS is June 10 to June 12. | 18:14 |
| belkinsa | Are going to have a roundtable just like the last time? | 18:14 |
| belkinsa | #undo | 18:15 |
| meetingology | Removing item from minutes: TOPIC | 18:15 |
| belkinsa | #topic vUDS Prep | 18:15 |
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| belkinsa | Sorry | 18:15 |
| GunnarHj | Can't hurt.. Do we have more specific topics to discuss? | 18:15 |
| godbyk | I think it'd be nice if we could entice some developers and designers to attend in the hopes of recruiting their help in keeping us up to date on user-facing changes that we need to document. | 18:16 |
| GunnarHj | +1 | 18:16 |
| belkinsa | We could talk about a Global Doc Jam that could be in the middle cycle. | 18:17 |
| belkinsa | godbyk, I agree. We need networking with them to get the docs updated. | 18:17 |
| pmatulis_ | IMO they're too busy | 18:17 |
| pleia2 | if someone wants to make the blueprint, we can add ideas to it prior to the vuds session so we have some talking points | 18:18 |
| pmatulis_ | i once had an arrangement to have them just update blueprints whenever something new came up that needed documenting, nothing happened | 18:18 |
| pleia2 | (I believe this is what we did last time) | 18:18 |
| GunnarHj | pmatulis_: Too busy to let the docs team know about news? I'll never accept that. | 18:18 |
| pleia2 | I have a couple devs who have emailed after I spoke with rick spencer about this last cycle, I can reach out to them | 18:18 |
| belkinsa | Sure, that can work, pleia2. | 18:19 |
| belkinsa | And I could work out that blueprint for the ideas. | 18:20 |
| GunnarHj | belkinsa: Excellent about the blueprint. | 18:20 |
| belkinsa | #action belkinsa Create the next vUDS Doc Team Roundtable Blueprint for ideas on talking points | 18:21 |
| meetingology | ACTION: belkinsa Create the next vUDS Doc Team Roundtable Blueprint for ideas on talking points | 18:21 |
| belkinsa | #action pleia2 Reach out to developers for updates for Doc Team | 18:22 |
| meetingology | ACTION: pleia2 Reach out to developers for updates for Doc Team | 18:22 |
| belkinsa | Are we ready to move on? | 18:22 |
| pmatulis_ | just a sec | 18:22 |
| * belkinsa nods | 18:22 | |
| pmatulis_ | in these blueprints, by "Doc Team" do you mean desktop and server peeps? | 18:23 |
| belkinsa | No, all sub-teams: wiki and manual included. | 18:23 |
| pmatulis_ | so where is this 'developer news' going to end up? | 18:24 |
| pleia2 | in our last blueprint we had subsections for each team | 18:24 |
| pleia2 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-1311-docteam-roundtable | 18:25 |
| godbyk | pmatulis_: They could just drop emails to the ubuntu-docs list. It doesn't need to be anything complicated. | 18:25 |
| belkinsa | Indeed, godbyk has it. | 18:25 |
| pmatulis_ | godbyk: ok, but srsly, they'll just say to subscribe to some mailing list, but let's move on | 18:25 |
| GunnarHj | pmatulis_: Good point. We need to establish some kind of procedure. | 18:25 |
| godbyk | pmatulis_: No subscription required. If it ends up in the moderation queue we'll find it. | 18:26 |
| pleia2 | pmatulis_: I actually have and positive discussions with a couple of devs, so I am more hopeful :) | 18:26 |
| belkinsa | Indeed, pmatulis_. godbyk and I are the mods. | 18:26 |
| pmatulis_ | pleia2: glad to hear | 18:26 |
| pleia2 | I think he meant that the devs will tell *us* to just subscribe to the mailing lists | 18:27 |
| pmatulis_ | yep | 18:27 |
| godbyk | Ah, I understand. | 18:27 |
| belkinsa | I think someone needs to take on an action item for a procedure on this... | 18:28 |
| pleia2 | belkinsa: just emailing the list is fine | 18:28 |
| belkinsa | Sure. Why not. | 18:28 |
| GunnarHj | I'm not sure that emailing the list is fine. People forget. | 18:28 |
| GunnarHj | I can take a procedure action item. | 18:29 |
| belkinsa | #action GunnarHj Work out a procedure for developers to get updates to Doc Team | 18:29 |
| meetingology | ACTION: GunnarHj Work out a procedure for developers to get updates to Doc Team | 18:29 |
| belkinsa | Thanks, GunnarHj. | 18:29 |
| GunnarHj | yw | 18:29 |
| belkinsa | Okay, moving on... | 18:29 |
| belkinsa | I think we will skip the Open Help Confectioner (http://openhelpconference.com/) topic and discuss this on the list if needed. | 18:31 |
| GunnarHj | Is anyone planning to go there? | 18:31 |
| belkinsa | #Topic Open Help Conference | 18:31 |
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| shaunm | me, of course :) | 18:32 |
| belkinsa | I still don't know if I will. | 18:32 |
| shaunm | I'd really like to encourage you guys to do a sprint. they're really good for bringing a team together | 18:32 |
| belkinsa | Okay, moving on. | 18:33 |
| GunnarHj | shaunm: Hmm... I know what sprintf is, but sprint? ;) | 18:33 |
| belkinsa | Or not. | 18:34 |
| belkinsa | GunnarHj, it's like what we do in the vUDS's. | 18:34 |
| shaunm | GunnarHj: it's where the team comes together for a few days to work on stuff | 18:34 |
| shaunm | and to be social. the social part is important | 18:34 |
| godbyk | shaunm: I'd love to go, but I lack the funds at the moment. | 18:34 |
| godbyk | shaunm: It looks like a cool conference, though. | 18:34 |
| GunnarHj | I guess it's easier for Americans to go there than for us in Europe.. | 18:36 |
| belkinsa | Can we move on? | 18:37 |
| GunnarHj | shaunm: Is it a 100% IRL event? | 18:37 |
| shaunm | GunnarHj: more or less | 18:38 |
| GunnarHj | shaunm: It's a pity IMO. | 18:38 |
| belkinsa | shaunm and GunnarHj, can do this outside the meeting since we have other items. | 18:38 |
| shaunm | sure | 18:38 |
| GunnarHj | ok | 18:39 |
| belkinsa | Thanks. | 18:39 |
| belkinsa | #topic Identifying news that affect the docs | 18:39 |
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| belkinsa | Since this was yours, GunnarHj, do you want to talk about it? | 18:39 |
| GunnarHj | I put up that item, but I think it has been already covered. | 18:39 |
| belkinsa | I think so. | 18:39 |
| belkinsa | Anyone else? | 18:40 |
| belkinsa | Okay, moving on. | 18:41 |
| belkinsa | #topic Desktop | 18:41 |
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| belkinsa | #subtopic Find a driver | 18:41 |
| belkinsa | Would this be a better of as a action item that someone can do? | 18:42 |
| GunnarHj | Suppose it would be easier to find a driver if there were some contributors. Personally I fear that the lack of persons who are ready to make significant contributions will soon be alarming. | 18:43 |
| belkinsa | knome, we are talking about finding a driver for the desktop sub-team. | 18:44 |
| belkinsa | Bummer, GunnarHj. How many do we have right now? | 18:44 |
| * knome keeps hidden under the table | 18:44 | |
| GunnarHj | belkinsa: Well, it depends on how you define "significant". But without dsmythies I see Kevin and myself. | 18:46 |
| godbyk | Normally, I'd volunteer, but I'm going to be busy this year working on my dissertation. | 18:46 |
| GunnarHj | So what do we do? After all we are talking about a highly visible package that is shipped with each Ubuntu installation. | 18:48 |
| knome | if nobody wants to take the driver title, then so be it | 18:48 |
| knome | let's focus on getting it better with the resources we have and not stumble with bureaucracy | 18:49 |
| godbyk | If there's no driver, then we just keep muddling along as we have been, I guess. | 18:49 |
| knome | increase publicity of docs during the cycle | 18:49 |
| GunnarHj | knome: The resources we have? Which are those? | 18:50 |
| knome | random people around at random times. | 18:50 |
| GunnarHj | (sorry for sounding so pessimistic, but I am) | 18:50 |
| belkinsa | Sorry. | 18:50 |
| knome | there are people who want to make the team work better | 18:50 |
| belkinsa | Internet died on me. | 18:50 |
| pmatulis_ | do we know to what extent the online help facility is actually used? | 18:50 |
| knome | but might not necessarily be able/willing to work with the desktop docs. | 18:51 |
| knome | like me. | 18:51 |
| knome | we can send a request for the IS | 18:51 |
| knome | ...if we want stats/if there are any | 18:51 |
| belkinsa | +1 we need stats. | 18:51 |
| pmatulis_ | i remember just stumbling upon it. i'm not a big desktop user mind you | 18:51 |
| pmatulis_ | i'm not talking about online as in web | 18:51 |
| pmatulis_ | but online as "in your computer", the docs package | 18:52 |
| knome | right. | 18:52 |
| knome | how would we know how much that is used? | 18:52 |
| knome | there's no sensible way to track that | 18:52 |
| pmatulis_ | yes, that's what i'm getting at. a poll comes to mind | 18:52 |
| belkinsa | I dig that idea pmatulis_/ | 18:53 |
| knome | polls are going to be twisted, vocal minority and all | 18:53 |
| knome | but sure. | 18:53 |
| belkinsa | Who wants to take the action item to make a poll? | 18:53 |
| pmatulis_ | knome: statistics will always be like that, but we can extract valuable information nonetheless | 18:54 |
| knome | pmatulis_, i hope so | 18:54 |
| GunnarHj | Not sure I see the point. It's the same content on the computers and at help.ubuntu.com. | 18:54 |
| godbyk | There's also this: http://popcon.ubuntu.com/ | 18:54 |
| godbyk | I'm not sure if it tracks when programs are executed or just if the packages are installed | 18:54 |
| knome | godbyk, that only tracks the amount of times the package is installed | 18:54 |
| godbyk | knome: Ah, figures. | 18:54 |
| pmatulis_ | GunnarHj: you don't see the point in having both in-computer and on the web? | 18:54 |
| knome | anyway, the poll needs to be conducted somewhere where enough people from all skill levels hang around | 18:55 |
| belkinsa | +1 | 18:55 |
| GunnarHj | pmatulis_: No, what I mean is that it doesn't really matter if people read the docs on the web or on their computers. | 18:56 |
| GunnarHj | After all I take it that we think a desktop guide is good to have... | 18:56 |
| pmatulis_ | GunnarHj: well, that's not what the poll is about | 18:56 |
| GunnarHj | pmatulis_: Maybe I missed something. What's the poll about? | 18:57 |
| belkinsa | Guys, can we move on and I can give the action item to someone. (Look at the time) | 18:57 |
| pmatulis_ | GunnarHj: the poll would be along the lines of: "Do you read docs from the help facility in your computer?" | 18:57 |
| pmatulis_ | point being, ever since the serverguide ceased to be a package, we have had greater freedom to get stuff done | 18:57 |
| GunnarHj | pmatulis_: Ok, I see. | 18:58 |
| belkinsa | ... | 18:58 |
| pmatulis_ | maybe preceeded by: "Do you even know about the help facility in your computer?" | 18:58 |
| GunnarHj | pmatulis_: Can't help thinking that there is a big difference between the desktop and the server in this respect. | 18:59 |
| pmatulis_ | GunnarHj: what respect? | 18:59 |
| belkinsa | GUYS! | 19:00 |
| GunnarHj | pmatulis_: The server is not shipped with a desktop. :) | 19:00 |
| belkinsa | Can this be talked about on the mailing-list because we are running out time. | 19:00 |
| pmatulis_ | GunnarHj: thanks for reminding me | 19:00 |
| GunnarHj | pmatulis_: But sure, it would be nice to know to which extent people know about it and use it, of course. | 19:01 |
| knome | i'm not sure what the point of the meetings are if not discussing things | 19:01 |
| GunnarHj | knome: Me neither. | 19:01 |
| knome | i understand there are schedules and people need to run, but there's clearly discussions to be had | 19:01 |
| godbyk | The meeting is for discussing things, but I think we only have this room reserved for the hour. | 19:02 |
| godbyk | So we could continue the discussions in #ubuntu-doc. | 19:02 |
| knome | we can continue at -doc | 19:02 |
| pmatulis_ | anyone handling the poll then? | 19:02 |
| knome | my point is, if the meetings are held once per 2-3 months and are 2 hours long, maybe we need more meetings. | 19:02 |
| belkinsa | Sorry guys, my internet is failing. | 19:02 |
| godbyk | Welcome back, belkinsa. If we're out of time in this channel, we can move the discussion to #ubuntu-doc. | 19:03 |
| belkinsa | sure. | 19:03 |
| belkinsa | #endmeeting | 19:03 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Wed May 7 19:03:37 2014 UTC. | 19:03 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-05-07-18.00.moin.txt | 19:03 |
| belkinsa | Besides my internet is crap | 19:03 |
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