=== chriadam|away is now known as chriadam [01:38] cwayne: looks good! === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === vying is now known as Guest75991 === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === jibel_ is now known as jibel [06:51] good morning === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [08:02] Good morning all; happy School Nurse Day! :-D === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [08:42] ogra_, following on from yesterday's discussion of disk-full problems, lp 1316978 is now open, and you may wish to close it as a dupe of the log rotation bug ( lp #1270248), which I've also commented on [08:42] Launchpad bug 1316978 in android (Ubuntu) "User copying files to ~/phablet can fill media, and prevent boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1316978 [08:42] Launchpad bug 1316978 in android (Ubuntu) "User copying files to ~/phablet can fill media, and prevent boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1316978 [08:42] Launchpad bug 1270248 in logrotate (Ubuntu) "/var/log fills up disk space on phone" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1270248 [08:42] Launchpad bug 1270248 in logrotate (Ubuntu) "/var/log fills up disk space on phone" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1270248 [08:55] elopio: hi! [08:55] elopio: do you have some time to debug that authentication failure? [09:03] hey mardy [09:03] I do. Just tell me know what to do. [09:04] elopio: oh, I just sent you an e-mail [09:05] elopio: just enable logging in /etc/signond.conf [09:05] elopio: then try all the flow again, and let's see the syslog [09:05] elopio: the DBus message appears to be correct [09:05] mardy: I have it enabled. Let me take a look at the syslog. [09:08] mardy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7409314/ [09:08] maybe May 7 03:06:35 tangamandapio-desktop signonpluginprocess[5422]: oauth1plugin.cpp 254 process : Invalid provided tokens data - continuing normal process flow [09:12] elopio: indeed. Let me check the plugin code... === sephiap_ is now known as sephiap === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [09:13] elopio: ah, that happens if either of AccessToken or TokenSecret are empty [09:15] elopio: actually, the keys that ProvidedTokens expects are not exactly the same of the OAuth reply... [09:15] rsalveti, the SD Card bug I mentioned yesterday: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/android/+bug/1316997 [09:15] Ubuntu bug 1316997 in android (Ubuntu) "SD Card fails to auto mount in port" [Undecided,New] [09:15] Launchpad bug 1316997 in android (Ubuntu) "SD Card fails to auto mount in port" [Undecided,New] [09:15] mardy: ok! [09:15] I've put 'dummy' and now it works. [09:15] elopio: so, you can specify "AccessToken", "TokenSecret", "UserId", "ScreenName" [09:16] all the rest are ignored [09:16] weird thing is that it shows the dialog as if it had no account for some seconds. But this is moving forward [09:16] thank you very much. [09:19] mardy: what should be the userid? The same as I have in 'edam_userId'? [09:19] john-mcaleely, thanks a lot, so the 5% reserved for root wouldnt help at all [09:20] ogra_, that makes sense. I'm not clear how reservation would work for non root processes, but would that be the simple fix? [09:20] elopio: I think you don't need to set it [09:20] john-mcaleely, lol, "simple" ... i fear we need quotas or something, that smells like it can get very fiddly and awful [09:21] mardy: right, they don't seem needed. [09:21] mardy: ok, only remaining problem, the No account dialog disappears until I go to online accounts [09:21] am I missing a step? === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [09:24] ogra_, yuk. I think I'm pleased I typed up a separate bug then :-( [09:24] yeah [09:27] elopio: mmm... I don't follow you === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [09:28] mardy: I add the account with my credentials.py script. [09:28] I go to reminders app [09:29] and it shows me the dialog that says: No Account, go to ... [09:29] then I opened online accounts to see what was going on [09:29] and the dialog disappeared. [09:29] as if I'm missing something on my script that gets done when I open online accounts. [09:30] elopio: are the account and its service both enabled? (check with account-console) [09:33] mardy: I think so http://paste.ubuntu.com/7409417/ [09:34] elopio: the "evernote" service is not enabled [09:34] I see. [09:35] elopio: this is done by "account-console edit --enable --service evernote", you can see how it's done there [09:36] mardy: thanks, because my first naive try was unsuccessful :) === ALan_ is now known as Guest87832 [09:51] Hi I want to use ubuntu but after downloading 14.04 the file is 930mb and my cd rw will only write to 800mb what can I do? [09:51] ok, success! [09:51] mardy: https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/reminders-app/test_with_account/+merge/217171 [09:51] it's ready to review, please take a look when you can. [09:52] elopio: cool! OK, will do that a bit later [09:52] thanks for your help. I'm going to get some sleep now. [09:53] Guest87832, your phone has a CDRom ? [09:53] (note this is the ubuntu touch channel for the ubuntu phone OS) [09:53] I have a samsung S3 [09:54] I am not trying to put Ubuntu on my phone but on my pc [09:54] what do you plan to do with the CD ? [09:54] right, then you are wrong here ... #ubuntu isteh right channel for that [09:54] Guest87832: you have to write it on a dvdrw, or an usb stick. it doesn't fit cd anymore [09:55] I haved tried writing to USB stick but it wont write an ISO file (i Have a 16Gb stick) [09:56] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick [09:56] I tried re-formatting stick as FAT 32 but and use FREEISOBURNER to write but it wouldnt work [09:56] you can check the steps for creating a stick on that page ^ [09:57] OK will try that thanks [09:57] btw I'm in Canterbury UK where are you [09:58] I was wondering if its better rying to find an older version of ubuntu then upgrading once installed. Is that a better way? [09:58] sergiusens, ricmm ... bug 1316978 ... does any of you have any idea what we could do if not quotas ? [09:58] bug 1316978 in android (Ubuntu) "User copying files to ~/phablet can fill media, and prevent boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1316978 [09:58] bug 1316978 in android (Ubuntu) "User copying files to ~/phablet can fill media, and prevent boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1316978 [09:59] hmm, even quotas might not work [09:59] since it would be per user but not per dir [09:59] Guest87832: a better way to do what? [09:59] guys, can you take that to #ubuntu ? [09:59] install Ubuntu [10:00] the easiest way is to create a bootable usb stick from 14.04 image [10:00] OK thanks will look at the page you sent and try from stick. Good luck bye [10:02] JohnLea, ping [10:16] ahayzen, pong [10:17] JohnLea, Hi I found an issue where scrolling sheets also scrolls things behind, eg a page. I wanted to confirm that no events should go to the things behind in the two cases where the mouse is inside the sheet and outside? === dbarth_ is now known as dbarth [10:18] ahayzen, yes, you are correct, no events should go to items behind the sheet in these two cases. in the second case clicking outside this sheet should close the sheet. [10:18] JohnLea, ok thanks for the confirmation :) t1mp ^^ [10:19] ahayzen: was it scrolling in a sheet or in a popover? [10:19] t1mp, yep [10:19] ahayzen: sheet or popover? [10:19] t1mp, sheet uses popover doesn't it? [10:19] JohnLea: sheets don't close when you click next to them, they have cancel/confirm buttons [10:20] ahayzen: no, but we have a "popup" as a parent of popover, sheet, dialog. easy to confuse [10:20] JohnLea: I made a note once that sheets should actually be deprecated. Do you know if that is still the case? [10:21] t1mp, hmm but the patch i did fixed the issue we were having with the DefaultSheet... oh is it because we open it with the popup? [10:21] * ahayzen checks code [10:21] ahayzen: ah ok, I thought it was with a popover, not with defaultsheet. Then your question was correct [10:22] t1mp, we do PopupUtils.open() on a DefaultSheet [10:22] ahayzen: that's fine [10:22] t1mp, cool thanks :) [10:22] t1mp, yes, sheets are actually depreciated, and the sheets were only ever designed to work in the context of the phone, we never did the designs for desktop/tablet. However we don't have a replacement for sheets, in most cases where sheets were previously used we are taking the user to a new screen instead. Again we are only focused on the Phone at the moment, so there will be desktop and tablet use cases that have not been thought [10:22] through [10:22] heh [10:23] JohnLea: so we can deprecate sheets (everywhere, also for phone), and the recommendation is to use a new screen instead? [10:24] a new screen? [10:25] t1mp; that is the direction things are currently going, and is what we are doing with the designs we are currently working on. However the pattern/sdk update is not complete or published yet, and we have not had a chance yet to revisit the old designs that still use sheets, so they continue to use sheets until we can get back to them and update the designs [10:25] t1mp, more we are phasing the use of sheets out, and are not using them in new designs, or when we update designs [10:25] JohnLea: okay, we'll keep them around for now then [10:26] t1mp, cool, that sounds like the right think to do for now [10:27] JohnLea: when someone needs input from design, what should I recommend? Report a bug in ubuntu-ux, or are those bugs no longer reviewed regularly? [10:28] JohnLea: I was asked about this bug yesterday https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1295993 but there are probably more [10:28] Ubuntu bug 1295993 in Ubuntu UX "[ux]Ubuntu touch colour theme is too dark making it unusable in bright sunlight condition" [Undecided,New] [10:28] Launchpad bug 1295993 in Ubuntu UX "[ux]Ubuntu touch colour theme is too dark making it unusable in bright sunlight condition" [Undecided,New] [10:28] t1mp, yes, any issue should be reported as a bug to ubuntu-ux (also marked 'also affects' with the engineering project responsible for the component), then once this is done if the issue is urgent ping someone here to get someone to take a look at it [10:28] as we have a lot of bugs [10:29] yes I saw, 520 open, that's at least a challenge to manage [10:30] t1mp, re. that bug, we are moving to light background so that will solve that issue. However there is another bug open saying that lighter background harm battery life! Cant win them all ;-) [10:31] JohnLea: I'll copy&paste your answer in the bug and close it then [10:31] cool, thanks! [10:31] JohnLea: I think many of the design bugs are simple questions and perhaps can be closed after answering them [10:32] t1mp; we are currently reviewing all the bugs and assigning them to people, and then the next task will be for the assignees to answer and close or action. I also think most of them can be closed [10:32] JohnLea: ok that's great. Good to know. [10:32] but need to do full review (which is in progress) [10:32] perfect :) [10:39] ogra_: should mtp check avail space before starting to copy/write? [10:40] sergiusens, well, that wont help with i.e. dowloaded content [10:40] ogra_: so it's not a matter of filling up the disk, more so of leaving little avail; fwiw, the same is almost as applicable to the desktop [10:40] sergiusens: did you speak to asac about reminders? [10:40] popey: arg, forgot [10:41] asac: some peeps want reminders in the default install; are we ok with that? Test enablement should happen once it's in and can be coordinated between popey and doanac [10:42] the desktop will still boot to lightdm ... the phone wont [10:43] (due to autologin) [10:44] ogra_: nothing easy comes to mind here... :-/ [10:44] yeah ... the only thing i can imagine is to keep data and dot dirs on separate partitions ... [10:44] then we could quota it ... [11:12] sergiusens: what are reminders? [11:14] sergiusens: it's an app which lets you sync notes down from evernote and view/edit them on your phone === vying is now known as Guest19421 [11:30] popey: I know what it is ;-) [11:32] sergiusens: er, mis-hilight there, sorry ☻ [11:34] Mirv: did the train whistle? [11:35] popey: come to think of it; we agreed we would add apps into the default install if the app was of good quality [11:36] bzoltan1: yes it did === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === jhodapp|afk is now known as jhodapp === gcollura is now known as gcollura|afk [12:10] mardy: ping! [12:10] paste.ubuntu.com/7409741/ getting that when trying to update an app on my phone - is that a signon issue? [12:10] 2014-05-07 10:50:56,524 - CRITICAL - ../../../../lib/SignOn/connection-manager.cpp 106 setupSocketConnection p2p error: QDBusError("org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.FileNotFound", "Failed to connect to socket /run/user/32011/signond/socket: No such file or directory") 1 [12:24] hm, where are XDG_CONFIG_DIRS initially defined? [12:27] popey: hi! Yes, that's a signon issue, but it's harmless [12:27] popey: in trunk I've turned that critical into a debug [12:27] * ogra_ guesses the issue is: [12:27] 2014-05-07 12:58:05,467 - WARNING - QDBusObjectPath: invalid path "https://public.apps.ubuntu.com/download/com.ubuntu.developer.bobo1993324/qmltextreader/com.ubuntu.developer.bobo1993324.qmltextreader_0.1.2-c_armhf.click" [12:28] and i think thats a mandel issue (u-d-m) [12:28] or an issue with whatever hands that url to u-d-m [12:28] ogra_: Does taking screenshots work on utopic #15? When I use phablet-screenshot, I keep getting "remote object '/tmp/mir_screencast_768x1280.rgba' does not exist". Rebooting doesnt seem to help. [12:29] nik90: filename changed [12:29] nik90, ah, thanks for the reminder ... i have a fix half done for that [12:29] nik90: look in /tmp, it's (bizzarely) got a 60Hz added to it [12:29] bug 1316806 [12:29] until that lands, just hack the filename [12:29] bug 1316806 in phablet-tools (Ubuntu) "phablet-screenshot looking for the wrong filename" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1316806 [12:29] bug 1316806 in phablet-tools (Ubuntu) "phablet-screenshot looking for the wrong filename" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1316806 [12:29] uh, do we need two bots? [12:29] popey, ogra_: ah thnx.. [12:30] popey, no, the second one returned after jussi added the other one it seems [12:30] * popey pokes irc people [12:33] ogra_, popey: phablet-screenshot keeps taking the screenshot of the app scope instead of the actual app that I am in. [12:34] odd [12:34] yeah [12:34] ogra_: yeah to the issue? or to it being odd? [12:34] odd :) [12:34] * nik90 tries rebooting [12:38] hello my wifi is not working after update to 12.10 [12:38] please help me any one [12:41] * ogra_ notes ChickenCutlass brought his evil twin today [12:42] ogra_, ChickenCutlass *is* the evil twin [12:42] hey. are there any examples i can go look at showing opengl's usage with mir? [12:42] ogra_, how do I kill one of them [12:43] jodh, wrangling with bug 1316978 ... is there a way to make upstart fall back gracefully to omit all logging weh the disk is full ? so that at least the session can still start [12:43] bug 1316978 in android (Ubuntu) "User copying files to ~/phablet can fill media, and prevent upstart from creating logs (which kills the session)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1316978 [12:43] bug 1316978 in android (Ubuntu) "User copying files to ~/phablet can fill media, and prevent upstart from creating logs (which kills the session)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1316978 [12:43] ChickenCutlass_, nickserv has a ghost command iirc [12:43] ok I will look [12:44] robjh, try asking in #ubuntu-mir [12:44] ubottu: part === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:44] * ogra_ hugs jussi [12:44] there you are popey :) [12:44] master of the bots :) [12:44] * jussi hugs ogra_ back [12:44] thanks jussi ☻ [12:44] You are most welcome [12:45] ogra_: it already does that. That bug appears to be an issue with the dbus job which is trying to write into $HOME. Maybe it could write to /run ? [12:46] hmm, i wonder why ... [12:46] * ogra_ takes a look at the job [12:47] echo "DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=${DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS}" >$HOME/.cache/upstart/dbus-session || true [12:47] and [ -d "$HOME/.cache/upstart" ] || mkdir -p "$HOME/.cache/upstart" || true [12:47] hmpf [12:47] thats not easily movable to /run ... [12:48] ogra_: why not? [12:48] jodh, it is parsed by commandline shells too ... for autopilot etc [12:49] ogra_: well, the solution is to move that file, or dispence with it completely. [12:49] though if no dbus runs its probably moot to parse it [12:50] but even if we move it ... there are other session bits writing to bashrc ... that will be the next stopgap ... [12:50] sigh [12:50] i wish we could fix that on a filesystem level instead [12:51] ogra_: could those things 'initctl set-env' rather than actually modifying .bashrc I wonder? [12:52] jodh, hmm [12:54] jodh, i guess they theoretically could ... but thats a hell of a lot of stuff to re-work [12:56] jodh, heya, so upstart looks in XDG_CONFIG_DIRS/upstart for session jobs right? my problem with that is, how can we make sure the dir we need is in XDG_CONFIG_DIRS before upstart has started? === gnu is now known as Guest23724 [13:10] cwayne: you'll need to tweak the script you use to start upstart since the directory needs to exist at the point upstart starts. [13:10] jodh, any idea where that script lives? [13:11] mpt: hi! Do you have a minute (topic is "scopes and Online Accounts")? [13:12] mardy, yep [13:13] mpt: so, there is an issue: some scopes might want to use Online Accounts, but ATM the only way to grant them access to an account is if the user goes to the System Settings, opens Online Accounts, taps on an account and enables the scope from there [13:13] thank you ogra_ :) [13:13] mpt: which is not very discoverable [13:13] mardy: hello [13:13] mpt: dbarth will probably set a meeting to talk about this on Friday, would you like to join? [13:13] t1mp: hi! [13:14] mardy: can you resubmit https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/lp1296728/+merge/212460 for merging to lp:~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/staging instead? [13:14] cwayne: last time I looked it was /usr/bin/ubuntu-touch-session [13:14] mardy: all our MRs go there first, and after that we land them to lp:ubuntu-ui-toolkit [13:14] t1mp: oh, you are also a victim of the citrain, I see... :-) [13:14] jodh, lovely, thank you [13:15] mardy, sure [13:15] mardy: we are still working on figuring out what is the optimal way for us to use it ;) [13:15] t1mp, btw, tested out the uitk with new headers last night, looks great! [13:15] mardy: but yeah, we have a staging now in case landings are slowed down (and it needs to land before going to trunk) [13:15] cwayne: awesome :) [13:16] cwayne: which apps are you testing? [13:16] t1mp, i tried out some of mine, and then just started adding useDeprecatedToolbar to false in some of the preinstalls to get an idea of what they'd look like [13:17] t1mp: done [13:17] cwayne: nice. We made it opt-in so the app developers can check first to see if it works for their app [13:18] mardy: thanks. We'll ask loicm to review https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/lp1296728/+merge/218617 since he knows the ubuntushape best [13:19] sergiusens: what are reminders? :) [13:19] which context? [13:19] mardy, is it the same problem with System Settings “Updates” right now? It says “Credentials not found” and “Please log into your Ubuntu One account.” [13:20] (And I tap that and it animatedly switches to … itself, which I assume is a separate problem) [13:20] asac, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Reminders [13:20] asac: I don't follow; reminder is just an app that needs to be added to the click seeds [13:21] t1mp, nice, good idea :) === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [13:26] seb128, do you know if anyone is working on the can't update apps bug? [13:27] pmcgowan, it was just being discussed on #ubuntu-ci-eng, and popey/didrocks figured out it's due to the ubuntu-download-manager update on utopic #5 [13:28] pmcgowan, mandel is not around though, we are waiting for him I guess [13:28] pmcgowan, once we find mandel someone will :) [13:28] ah very good [13:28] * ogra_ lifts the carpet to take a look ... i guess he heard doanload-manager and ran away [13:30] pmcgowan: bug #1317067 [13:30] bug 1317067 in ubuntu-download-manager (Ubuntu) "Can't update click apps since image #5 in utopic" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1317067 [13:31] didrocks, ok, there are a number of dupes for that ;) [13:31] pmcgowan: there are some infos on that one, but as long as it's targeted and assign to the right person, I don't care :) [13:31] I set to mandel for now (but he isn't around) [13:31] yep [13:32] pmcgowan: i looked at bugs you'd filed because I thought you'd mentioned it yesterday, but couldnt see one so filed a new [13:32] np [13:35] Elleo, i triggered a CI rebuild for your content-hub branch [13:37] kenvandine: okay, it's looking like things might be delayed a bit on the webbrowser, as we're needing to rename the udm qml compontent to keep it consistent with other modules (it was UbuntuDownloadManager rather than Ubuntu.DownloadManager) [13:38] kenvandine: I've submitted a branch that changes that now though, so hopefully it'll all go through fairly quickly [13:41] mpt: something to do about scopes rather; what the experience for using a specific identity would be [13:42] (still otp, but reading here) [13:48] dbarth, I did a design for that back in , and Katie did a similar design in [13:50] kenvandine: why is online-accounts a separate app from system-settings, when none of the others are? [13:50] because it can actually be run separately [13:50] I would love to know the answer to that ^ question too … It causes numerous UI bugs [13:50] for example it provides the binary to run for auth [13:50] when something needs a re-auth, etc [13:51] and apps can use it for adding online accounts [13:51] without starting all of system-settings [13:51] eventually in a modal way [13:51] it does make for an unusual experience though, when pressing "back" you actually leave one app, but never quite switch to the other [13:51] like friends-app could let you add an online account directly without taking you to system-settings [13:52] that is until we have trusted sessions :) [13:52] and actually it not switching is probably just a bug [13:52] when it exits, the previous app should be focused [13:52] It showing up as an app is a bug too. The dialog for entering a Wi-Fi password doesn’t show up as an app. [13:53] When we have printing, the printer setup won’t be an app, etc [13:53] i think that's a snap decision, right? [13:53] the plan for online accounts is to use a trusted session, to give you a modal experience [13:53] like you never leave the app [13:54] content-hub will do the same [13:54] ok, so this is a stop-gap measure [13:54] yeah [13:54] * kenvandine hopes we get trusted sessions soon [13:54] it'll improve the content-hub experience 10x === gatox is now known as gatox_lunch [14:03] right trusted session is needed (and some refactoring) to have it get back to being a normal settings plugin [14:04] the reason it's out is because this is the best way to have it deal with app requests while trrusted sessions wee missing [14:04] mardy: ^^ [14:07] Does music not work in u15? [14:07] All my songs just stay at 0:00 [14:09] Oh, an ogg works [14:10] jodh, hey, so upstart will look for jobs in XDG_CONFIG_DIRS/upstart *and* /usr/share/upstart/sessions right? [14:11] cwayne: yes - see the ordered list of search directories in init(5) under "User Session Mode" [14:13] mterry, which file format you using? [14:14] ahayzen, the ones that didn't work were mp3 [14:14] mterry, hmm ok i'll take a look later, usually i test mp3, ogg, flac, m4a [14:16] sergiusens: well, i didnt even know reminders existed, so nothing to follow, just explain :) [14:18] asac, others call it "evernote" ;) [14:19] odd name for evernote app [14:19] trademark issue? [14:19] no idea [14:19] popey might know why it is named like that [14:19] They do not allow 3rd party app devs to call it Evernote [14:19] yes, brand issue [14:19] only they can [14:20] they may change their minds later [14:21] mpt: well, that's another issue, which will be fixed with no changes to the UX design [14:21] mpt: the problem for scopes is that they don't have a UI [14:21] mardy, I don’t know what you mean by either “UX” or “UI” there… [14:21] mpt: that is, it's not clear when and how a user should grant account access to a scope [14:21] How do scopes not have a UI?? [14:22] A scope *is* a UI. [14:22] mardy, oh, do you mean they don’t have an identity like an app does? [14:23] mpt: well, AFAIK the UI is provided by unity8, the scope provides the data and style [14:23] ‘“Apps” wants access to your Ubuntu One account.’ [14:23] mpt: they do have an identity, but when and how should this ‘“Scope” wants access to your Ubuntu One account.’ appear? [14:27] mardy, what is the problem with it being presented the same way as for an app? [14:28] mpt: OK, but when? The first time one does a search? [14:28] mpt: or when the scope is first installed? [14:29] mardy, when the scope asks for access to the account. Same as for an app. === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [14:30] Exactly when that happens is up to the scope designer. [14:31] mpt: mmm... the difference is that an application has its own window, and will typically request access to an account in response to a user action (such as clicking on an "Add account" button) [14:32] mpt: it's not clear to me where the scope should put that "Add account" button (if anywhere) [14:35] mardy, again, that’s up to the scope designer, it’s not an Online Accounts issue. It’s possible it might be solved for default scopes by having “Dash” settings in System Settings, but that’s still up to the Dash designers, it’s not an issue with Online Accounts itself. [14:36] mardy, mikenagle is the one to ask about Dash design issues. [14:38] mpt: ah, OK, for some reason I thought that you should design the whole Ubuntu Touch :-) [14:39] mikenagle: hi! If you have some time, please read the backlog of the chat between me and mpt (last 20 minutes) [14:39] mardy, if I was doing that, we wouldn’t have “scopes” in the first place. ;-) === gatox_lunch is now known as gatox [14:52] ToyKeeper, hi, whats the bug # for the over sensitive screen rotation? [14:52] whiners ... just hold your hands steady :P [14:53] heh [14:53] :) [14:55] ogra_: parkinson bug? [14:55] lol [14:55] ++ [14:55] * ogra_ hands sergiusens the "quote of the day" award [14:56] ogra_: tbh, I had the tablet sitting on my desk and tapped on a button and it rotated :-P not sure if an earthquake was in progress and only the tablet noticed [14:56] lol [14:56] well, i dont think it is so much different from android actually [14:56] i have that too on an android phone [14:57] if i put the phone down to read with hands free and the surface isnt 100% flat it does the same on android [14:58] anyone got time for a quick mp to ubuntu-touch-session? https://code.launchpad.net/~cwayne18/ubuntu-touch-session/custom-xdg-config/+merge/218641 [14:59] what I had problem with is it tries to rotate every time the phone vibrates after I touch something [14:59] Tassadar, i proposed an MP for the heavy vibration ... make bzoltan1 approve it ;) [15:00] bzoltan1: approve it! [15:04] awe_: you tried to ping me last night [15:09] yea, was wondering what happened to the UI for SIM PIN codes? [15:10] I didn't see it in the network menu anymore and couldn't find it anywhere else... [15:10] nothing should have happened to it [15:10] the "Unlock SIM..." item is only available if A) there is a modem B) it's locked [15:10] Tassadar, https://code.launchpad.net/~ogra/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/improve-haptics/+merge/218466 FYI [15:11] awe_: you are not seeing it at all= [15:11] is this on devel-proposed? [15:11] OK, I can re-test again, but it sure wasn't there yesterday [15:11] awe_: any changes to ofono landed recently? [15:11] Wellark, yes... proposed as of yesterday [15:11] no [15:11] well, this was actually with the ofono silo [15:12] but shouldn't have had any effect [15:12] I'll re-test with the image & the existing ofono after we finish our stand-up [15:12] awe_: is that the silo that also contains the dbus control channel to phonesim plugin? [15:12] also, not sure if you saw my indicator-network bug for flight-mode [15:12] Wellark, yes [15:13] awe_: good. I'm preparing an indicator-network silo as we speak [15:13] and I can mark the ofono silo as prerequisite [15:13] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1315144 [15:13] Ubuntu bug 1315144 in indicator-network (Ubuntu) "Indicator icons don't reflect modem Offline state" [Undecided,New] [15:13] awe_: ok, that should also be "fixed" with the silo i'm preparing [15:14] ok [15:14] although we are not showing anything for modem offline [15:14] but we are showing a flightmode icon [15:14] iff urfkill tells that we are in flightmode [15:14] ok [15:14] BUT [15:15] as there is no flightModeChanged signal coming from urfkill [15:15] if you go and manually activate flightmode [15:15] through dbus for example [15:15] indicator-network has no way of knowing we just went to flightmode [15:15] Tassadar: show me that MR :) [15:15] as I tried to explain in the urfkill bug [15:15] bzoltan1: https://code.launchpad.net/~ogra/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/improve-haptics/+merge/218466 [15:15] bzoltan1, https://code.launchpad.net/~ogra/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/improve-haptics/+merge/218466 [15:15] :) [15:16] makes it more feel like android ... and the phone doesnt want to jump out of your hands [15:16] ogra_: what was thelink again? [15:17] bzoltan1, less awful haptics for button presses ... [15:17] pmcgowan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1308376 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1288332 [15:17] Ubuntu bug 1288332 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1308376 Orientation lock not available (rotation/portrait lock)" [Low,Triaged] [15:17] Ubuntu bug 1288332 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Orientation lock not available (rotation/portrait lock)" [Low,Triaged] [15:17] Wellark, to be clear modem == offline & flighmode == enabled are two different conditions the indicator should recognize [15:17] awe_: sure they are [15:17] awe_: I have [15:17] case Modem::SimStatus::offline: [15:17] /// @todo show something. [15:17] break; [15:17] if the lack of the flight-mode signal is truly a blocker, then cyphermox will need to fix this before we can land flight-mode [15:17] fwiw [15:18] <__lucio__> aquarius, Chipaca, hello! [15:18] it's not a blocker as long as nobody is trying to mess with flightmode [15:18] other than indicator-network [15:18] heya __lucio__ [15:18] <__lucio__> aquarius, hello mr! how are you doing? [15:18] Wellark, I don't think we can make that a limitation [15:19] Wellark, so I guess we'd need to fix [15:19] __lucio__, not too bad -- we're halfway through the week :) [15:19] awe_: yes, we can't make thst limitation in the long run [15:19] but right now it's not a blocker [15:19] it'd be broken for use to keep separate flight-mode states in the indicator and urfkill [15:19] awe_: is urfkill in a state that it can be included to the image? [15:19] once my indicator-network branch lands it pulls in urfkill [15:20] mo [15:20]