[00:55] <mapps> hm quite a nice night
[00:58] <daftykins> :D
[01:05] <daftykins> mapps: weather wise, or were you just out?
[01:28] <mapps> weather wise
[01:28] <mapps> seems ok
[01:30] <daftykins> ah-har
[01:34] <mapps> :D
[01:34] <daftykins> ugh why am i always up gone 2 even when i intend to go early
[01:34] <mapps> heh what time u need to be up
[01:35] <daftykins> well i don't, but just daytime hours to feel sane :)
[01:37] <mapps> :D
[01:37] <mapps> whats ur work hous..whenever
[01:37] <mapps> hours
[01:38] <daftykins> whenever i like really yeah (:
[01:38] <daftykins> sometimes i can be working on a laptop until late just because i want to
[01:40] <mapps> thats ok then..self employed?
[01:42] <daftykins> yarr
[06:07] <MooDoo> moening all
[06:11] <mapps> morning mate
[06:12] <mapps> watched 24?
[06:16] <MooDoo> mapps: no what I got was the pre show show, getting ep 1 and 2 now lol
[06:56] <ujjain2> What is a good site to compare prices for IT equipments? e.g. monitors
[06:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> In the UK ujjain2? I'd just look at about 4 suppliers: Scan, eBuyer, Amazon & CCL Online. One of them will probably be the cheapest anywhere at a particular point in time.
[07:00] <ujjain2> ah ok, thanks!! :)
[07:02] <MooDoo> you've also got novatech which is quite cheap as well :D
[07:02] <mapps> h,
[07:02] <mapps> MooDoo
[07:02] <mapps> mug:D
[07:03] <mapps> how didnt u get e1 nd 2 last night lol
[07:03] <mapps> u watch e00?
[07:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> Fair point MooDoo. I was pricing up a new PC (components) for the kids last night. Didn't think of checking there.
[07:05] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: I think I'm going to have to do that at some point, sick of the kids nicking my laptop :D
[07:09] <MartijnVdS> Shuttle DS61 or DS81 + CPU + RAM is cheap too
[07:09] <MartijnVdS> and tiny
[07:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> MooDoo: Just priced up from Novatech... About £15 more in total. Bizarrely Amazon is the cheapest but *only* because they have the cpu (core i5 4670) for about £15 less than anywhere else. But the rest of the bits (Mobo, case etc...) are cheapest at CCL Online - or they were last night ;-)
[07:17] <diplo> Morning all
[07:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> lo diplo
[07:18] <diplo> Hows things TheOpenSourcerer ?
[07:18] <mapps> morning diplo
[07:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> very good thanks. you?
[07:18] <diplo> Not too bad thanks, hows business? Still keeping busy ?
[07:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yep. Pretty busy - new enquiries, lots of vtiger work still... would like to expand our OpenERP base a bit - think that will happen with V8 though. Got some really nice features for SMEs
[07:20] <diplo> Great! Did you ever employ any new staff in the end ?
[07:20] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: interesting.
[07:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> diplo: We tried but failed. Will probably have another go in Q3 I reckon.
[07:21] <mapps> il work for u;p
[07:21] <diplo> :/
[07:21] <MooDoo> me too :D
[07:21] <mapps> if its where i wanna live
[07:21] <mapps> :P
[07:21] <diplo> If only you were closer! :)
[07:21] <MooDoo> I'll do remote support ;)
[07:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> mapps: Can you type in English?
[07:21] <mapps> yes
[07:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> ;-)
[07:21] <mapps> shockingly..i am english
[07:21] <mapps> ;)
[07:21] <MartijnVdS> English-ish
[07:21] <mapps> GU1/GU21/GU24/SE1/SE15/SE16/SE21 :p
[07:21] <mapps> anywhere near there?
[07:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh interesting. We are GU9
[07:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> Farnham
[07:22] <mapps> farnbrough?
[07:22] <mapps> ah ok
[07:22] <MartijnVdS> right next to each other :P
[07:22] <mapps> about 26mins from me :P
[07:22] <mapps> or where im from:) dont live there atm
[07:23] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: you need a nottingham branch ;)
[07:23] <mapps> isnt popey from farnbrough TheOpenSourcerer? right in between both gu24 and gu9
[07:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> mapps: yes.
[07:24] <mapps> you must know of west end TheOpenSourcerer?
[07:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> MooDoo: Er, let me think about that...
[07:24] <mapps> im from very near there.. Bisley :)
[07:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> mapps: Yeah sure. I grew up in frimley - used to work at Bisley NRA as a kid. Butt marking.
[07:25] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: I'll be your bestest friend ;) lol
[07:25] <mapps> ahh nice
[07:25] <mapps> hahaha thats what everyone did (except me at 16)
[07:25] <mapps> you mean at pirbright?
[07:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah.
[07:25] <mapps> yea
[07:25] <mapps> isnt that a bit far from frimley
[07:25] <mapps> i live right on queens road ..follow the road and you get to pirbright rifle ranges
[07:26] <mapps> down the back roads:)
[07:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> When I was ~13 - 15 I used to work most Saturdays & Sundays. the money was IMMENSE compared to anything else available.
[07:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Used to cycle. Only took about 45mins.
[07:26] <mapps> Pirbright's quite nice tbh
[07:26] <mapps> went to some pub/restaurant few months back near the green
[07:26] <mapps> cant recall the name
[07:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> That was a while ago mind. Not many cars around then ;-)
[07:27] <mapps> thah the white hart
[07:27] <mapps> just googled it
[07:27] <mapps> heh
[07:28] <mapps> I'm trying to get home access so i can move to a flat in Woking :)
[07:31] <Myrtti> I'm a bit annoyed at myself. We finally installed the Beddit sensors underneath the mattress topper last night, D got a full nights data of his sleep, but I forgot I had a sleeptimer app that in addition of turning all the music and podcasts and audiobooks off, I had set up to turn bluetooth off :-(
[07:35] <mapps> beddit sensors?
[07:37] <Myrtti> http://www.beddit.com/
[07:40] <diplo> 149 euros, bit steep for me
[07:41] <Myrtti> yeah, we got them from the Indiegogo
[07:42] <diplo> I really must keep an eye on kickstarter and indiegogo
[07:42] <diplo> :)
[07:44] <popey> morning
[07:45] <MooDoo> morning popey
[07:45] <popey> ujjain2: install Invisible Hand browser extension, that does the price comparisons for you ☻
[07:49] <mapps> going to xoyo next saturday
[07:49] <mapps> :D
[07:50] <ujjain2> popey, installed it, so far not seeing prices showing up, but checking it out, seems pretty cool
[07:50] <popey> ujjain2: visit a page like www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004QBUL1C/
[07:50] <popey> it will show up if there's other places that sell the same product
[07:51] <ujjain2> ah ok, I don't see it hmm.
[07:52] <popey> maybe it only shows if there are alternative suppliers
[07:53] <ujjain2> ahhh,
[07:53] <ujjain2> I found it
[07:53] <ujjain2> you've found the lowest price, when I manually searched it on newegg.com
[07:53] <ujjain2> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145345
[07:55] <popey> cool
[07:58] <ujjain2> I like this extension
[08:01] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:02] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy School Nurse Day! :-D
[08:05] <popey> ujjain2: another fun website I discovered recently is camelcamelcamel. You feed it your amazon wishlist and it emails you when things on your list drop in price. You can set triggers and see graphs of the previous price of the items. It's great.
[08:05] <ujjain2> amazon.co.uk doesn't have a service informing you of price drops on items on your wish list?
[08:07] <Myrtti> save for later items it tells it
[08:17] <popey> the nice thing about camelcamelcamel is it shows you a graph of the price of stuff, so you can see the lowest it's ever been
[08:23] <foobarry> +1
[08:23] <foobarry> i love camel^3
[08:23] <foobarry> see if ur getting ripped off
[08:24] <foobarry> usually i'm ready to play a waiting game and set a price trigger for a few months time and forget about it
[08:25] <ujjain2> the toe version is pretty good too.
[08:26] <ujjain2> I've bookmarked camelcamelcamel.com
[10:08] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/sowixwdbtqwcpnn/IMG_20140507_110233.jpg
[10:08] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/7a0du2hssff6jna/arrays.png
[10:15] <diplo> lots of disks daftykins !
[10:16] <diplo> Wassat for ?
[10:16] <mapps> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvAOY2AgY0w
[10:18] <daftykins> just upgrading the ol' nag, diplo
[10:18] <daftykins> personal storage
[10:21] <MooDoo> daftykins: nag? or nas? ;)
[10:21] <diplo> Blimey! That's a fair bit for home.. is that not a bit of a power drain for at home ?
[10:22] <daftykins> MooDoo: ol' nag
[10:22] <diplo> What are you running on it ?
[10:22] <MooDoo> daftykins: what you using for the os?  ubuntu and doing it that way or using free nas, as it's something i want to build as well
[10:22] <daftykins> diplo: the full system pulls 90W, with this new array in instead of my existing it'll cut power more
[10:23] <daftykins> the pics answer that
[10:23] <diplo> I wasn't sure if that was picked up from somewhere else
[10:24] <MooDoo> ah windows
[10:24] <diplo> Not to bad at all for all those drives daftykins
[10:25] <daftykins> it also hosts Linux VMs though
[10:25] <daftykins> which of course is hilarious since i have to restart the host OS more often than they themselves
[10:29] <daftykins> in fact every time i've upgraded the storage i've actually increased capacity whilst reducing power consumption
[11:18] <diddledan_> morning
[11:34] <ali1234> diddledan_: okay here's a question for you: say i'm making a wp plugin that creates a database table that has a foreign key constraint on a core wordpress table. that means my table has to have the same engine type as the wordpress table. but since wordpress uses mysql's default, there's no way to know what that is. what am i supposed to do?
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: Write as much in the docs, and hope you don't get bug reports
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> because PHP&MySL
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> +q
[11:35] <diddledan_> also use the default?
[11:35] <ali1234> in this case my wp install predates mysql 5.5 so it uses myisam. i've now updated to 5.5 so when i create a table i get InnoDB by default, and the foreign key constrains fail
[11:35] <diddledan_> or don't enforce the foreign key
[11:35] <ali1234> and i just spent half an hour figuring this out
[11:36] <ali1234> on a related note, should i convert my database to InnoDB, now that it is the default?
[11:38] <daftykins> diddledan_: prepare yourself...
[11:38] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/sowixwdbtqwcpnn/IMG_20140507_110233.jpg
[11:40]  * diddledan_ drools
[11:40] <daftykins> diddledan_: https://www.dropbox.com/s/46g06dzjalwq4s5/IMG_20140507_115546.jpg
[11:40] <diddledan_> hmm, better keep me away from the leccytronics
[11:41] <MartijnVdS> eww, discrete graphics :P
[11:41] <daftykins> this is back in the day of LGA775!
[11:43] <daftykins> ugh 11% initialised in like 2.5hrs
[11:43] <daftykins> :D
[11:44] <daftykins> ah no 1.75hrs
[12:36] <Saur0> hi i'm a mail noob and i'm trying to set up postfix on 14.04, i'm able to send mail out but its coming from user@server.domain.net
[12:37] <Saur0> how do get it to come from user@domain.net
[12:39] <shauno> grep for 'myorigin' in /etc/postfix/ - on mine it's using the contents of /etc/mailname, but I can't promise that hasn't changed (I'm on 10.04 heh)
[12:43] <Saur0> hmm weird my says myorigin = /etc/mailname
[12:44] <Saur0> /etc/mailname = mail.domain.net
[12:45] <daftykins> should it not just be domain.net then?
[12:45] <shauno> they should be coming from user@mail.domain.net then ?
[12:46] <directhex> dpkg-reconfigure -plow postfix
[12:46] <Saur0> yeah that what i thought but they are coming from user@server.domain.net
[12:47] <Saur0> I changed it to domain.net in /etc/mailname and it is still coming from user@server.domain.net
[12:50] <bashrc> I didn't have much luck with postfix.  I use exim
[12:51] <shauno> I didn't have much luck with exim, I use postfix ;)
[12:51] <bashrc> :)
[12:51] <Saur0> haha well i'm not having much luck with anything at the moment :(
[12:51] <bashrc> I do have instructions for setting up email MTA on debian 7, if that's any help
[12:51] <shauno> curious, what's generating the mail?  php perchance?
[12:52] <awilkins> I just use bsd-mailx
[12:52] <awilkins> And forward mail to the SMTP server our ICT dept. provide...
[12:56] <shauno> heh, reminds me of so many error messages that tell you to "contact your administrator".  for my mail .. that's me
[12:56] <daftykins> :D
[12:56] <daftykins> and he's never in the mood!
[12:58] <Saur0> ah ok I just just the mail command and it worke d
[12:59] <shauno> good chance whatever's creating the emails is creating a From address then, which postfix will obey if they're in 'mynetworks' (which includes localhost)
[13:01] <bashrc> MTAs always seem to have a really complex routing system
[13:06] <Saur0> now i've just got to work out how to recive mail ;)
[13:13] <diddledan_> open port 25, boom.
[13:13] <bashrc> 465
[13:13] <diddledan_> caveat: you may be opening a relay
[13:13] <Saur0> haha i'm using no-ip
[13:14] <shauno> eek
[13:14] <diddledan_> bashrc: afaik incoming email still uses 25 for most purposes
[13:14] <bashrc> yes probably a good idea to keep that open
[13:14] <diddledan_> bashrc: it's rare that 465 is used unless specifically configured
[13:14] <shauno> ssmtp is kinda rare.  most just hit 25 and try to do starttls
[13:15] <bashrc> my particular setup http://freedombone.uk.to/#sec-4.15
[13:16] <MartijnVdS> shauno: port 25 is only for other mail daemons, you should use 587 (submission) from clients to your SMTP server
[13:17] <shauno> right, he's talking about receiving
[13:24] <Saur0_> ok any ideas why I might be getting relay access denided
[13:25] <diddledan_> that depends on context - who were you sending to and from where?
[13:25] <Saur0_> i'm sending from a gmail account to my server
[13:25] <Saur0_> I am able to send out
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> your server doesn't think it's the final destination for the email gmail puts into it
[13:26] <diddledan_> the recipient doesn't exist then
[13:26] <diddledan_> yeah, what MartijnVdS said
[13:26] <Saur0_> and when I reply to the message i get that message
[13:26] <Saur0_> sorry i don't understand
[13:26] <Saur0_> why would that be?
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> Saur0_: gmail says "Here's a message for x@y.com", your mail server says "y.com? That's not me, and I'm not forwarding it for you."
[13:28] <Saur0_> ok but why would it do that when it is sending the mail from user@domain.net and google is sending the mail to user@domain.net
[13:29] <Saur0_> ah found it
[13:30] <Saur0_> the mydestination was incorect in main.cf
[13:31] <Saur0_> cool thats postfix now whats this dovecot all about ;)
[13:44] <BigRedS_> have you got smtp auth set up?
[13:45] <Saur0_> not that I know of
[13:45] <Saur0_> i'm just learning
[13:45] <BigRedS_> is the objective of all this to end up with a working mail system or to learn about them? You'll *probably* want Postfix and Dovecot to agree on which mailboxes exist and who may access them
[13:46] <Saur0_> yeah thats that plan
[13:46] <BigRedS_> I've got a script that installs a complete postfixadmin system (postfix, dovecot, mysql, virtual mailboxes) fairly crudely. But it doesn't explain what it does
[13:46] <BigRedS_> https://github.com/BigRedS/postfixadmin-installer
[13:47] <Saur0_> well i've already got postfix mysql set up
[13:47] <Saur0_> dovecot is installed but I havn't done any config
[13:47] <BigRedS_> what's postfix using mysql for?
[13:47] <Saur0_> its not but other stuff is
[13:48] <BigRedS_> okay,well, if you want to hand-do it but also have it work and you're using postfix, dovecot and mysql then a postfixadmin howto is probably what you want
[13:48] <BigRedS_> then you get a web ui for adding/removing domains and mailboxes
[13:49] <Saur0_> cool i'll check it out thanks
[13:56] <MooDoo> pah I've just had a bird pooh on me :(
[13:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's supposed to be good luck MooDoo :-D
[13:56] <Saur0_> thats good luck
[13:56] <Saur0_> :D
[13:56] <MooDoo> pah to that
[13:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> or poo even
[13:57] <daftykins> 4hrs and this array is 25% built
[13:57] <daftykins> good times
[14:03] <MooDoo> daftykins: got to rebuild my 1tb mirror tonight, not as big as yours but it also does take forever!!!
[14:04] <daftykins> :D
[14:04] <daftykins> one of yours die?
[14:07] <soon> I'm trying to install SolydXK to dualboot with my Ubuntu(KDE). I refuses to install into a regular partition -- some issue about wanting a fat32 fs for uefi ... my PC is a regular old fashioned BIOS system - I'm don't know much about that at all ...
[14:07] <daftykins> EFI needs a small FAT partition
[14:07] <daftykins> something is definitely confused
[14:07] <soon> Will I need to create a separate FAT partition just for that?
[14:08] <daftykins> however technically you'd want to ask solydxk for support, not us
[14:08] <soon> true ... but this channel is alive :-)
[14:09] <daftykins> =|
[14:09] <daftykins> well can you at least say what your motherboard is?
[14:11] <daftykins> soon
[14:11] <soon> sorry .. back again
[14:11] <soon> it is an ASUS P8P67 Evolution
[14:12] <daftykins> it is EFI indeed
[14:12]  * soon sighs
[14:12] <daftykins> what i expect is your system has booted your installation media as UEFI, so what you can do is press whatever key it is (possibly F8) to get a one-time boot menu, then make sure to select your installation medium as legacy not EFI
[14:13] <MartijnVdS> EFI is awesome
[14:13] <soon> what eactly is EFI
[14:13] <daftykins> the new BIOS! :)
[14:13] <MartijnVdS> it's a replacement for the old (1970s tech) BIOS
[14:13] <daftykins> with all kinds of fancy things like support for booting GPT volumes 3TB+
[14:13] <MartijnVdS> with proper APIs and graphic mode boot, and lots of other coolness
[14:13] <soon> ..oh, so my PC is not an old fashioned BIOS after all?
[14:14] <daftykins> nope, from the asus website:
[14:14] <daftykins> http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P8P67_WS_Revolution/
[14:14] <daftykins> "EFI BIOS (EZ Mode) - Flexible & Easy BIOS Interface "
[14:14] <MartijnVdS> well, lots of EFI implementations have a compatibility module to be able to load "legacy" OSes etc.
[14:14] <soon> righty ho --
[14:14] <daftykins> so use my trick to boot your installation medium as legacy instead of UEFI
[14:14] <daftykins> typically, all boot devices are listed twice, once for each mode
[14:15] <daftykins> the installer was asking for an EFI partition because it had booted in UEFI mode by the sounds
[14:15] <soon> I'll give that a try
[14:15] <daftykins> and that's all you'll get from me! ^_^
[14:15] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: The Freaky Clown's response to your tweet is.. ironic?
[14:15] <soon> thx daftykins
[14:16] <daftykins> np
[14:55]  * awilkins head-desks at the lovely PDF-printed-from-a-word-doc that the customer wants changed into a pipe-delimited text file
[14:55] <awilkins> Especially super fun how copying the table from it puts each cell on one line, rather than each row
[15:07] <Laney> tried pdftotext?
[15:17] <barryoh> Hi, what package do I need to install to be able to use --target=i386-efi in this command: # grub-install --target=i386-efi --recheck --efi-directory=/boot/efi --bootloader-id=grub ( LINK:  bit.ly/1uAzIUg )
[15:21] <daftykins> that link points to a blog post on installing an HP printer
[15:21] <daftykins> nothing to do with anything EFI related 0o
[15:25] <daftykins> yeah 32-bit installs with EFI, not cool
[15:28] <barryoh> daftykins: oops... sorry I will change that
[15:29] <barryoh> daftykins: http://astrofloyd.wordpress.com/2014/01/14/linux-only-installation-on-2006-macbook-using-refind/
[15:39] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[15:40] <directhex> my wife has a P8P67-M PRO. definitely UEFI.
[15:40] <directhex> pre-win8 UEFI though, so no secure boot.
[15:42] <daftykins> possibly the finest kind ;D
[15:45] <directhex> definitely 64-bit EFI though. boots win8.1
[15:50]  * diddledan_ snogs effy
[15:51] <diddledan_> what's wrong with a guy getting amorous with his computer?!
[15:54] <shauno> a little late, but I imagine you're looking for http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/grub-efi-ia32 ?
[15:55] <bashrc> diddledan: command line lurve
[16:03] <daftykins> tainted love
[16:04] <Saur0_> well after trying to impliment tls and sasl i've broked postfix/dovecote
[16:05] <Saur0_> I can send out but recived incoming mail
[16:05] <Saur0_> I get a rather handy "server configuration error" message in the logs
[16:06] <Saur0_> and unknown smtpd restriction "\permit_sasl_authenticated"
[16:10] <BigRedS_> you probably don't want that backslash
[16:11] <BigRedS_> 'server configuration error' messages normally are followed by something more detailled; that's dovecot doing that?
[16:11] <BigRedS_> you can turn the loglevel up which may help,
[16:11] <BigRedS_> on a new server I tend to set auth_verbose and mail_debug to yes
[16:12] <BigRedS_> see the bottom of this page for your other options: http://wiki1.dovecot.org/Logging
[16:12] <Saur0_> postfix/smtpd[25885]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from mail-vc0-f178.google.com[209.85.220.178]: 451 4.3.5 Server configuration error;
[16:14] <BigRedS_> oh. Never seen postfix do that. But 'permit_sasl_authenticated' definitely doesn't want a backslash at the beginning of it
[16:14] <BigRedS_> have you mis-pasted something with some escaped newlines or something?
[16:15] <Saur0_> proably was following this -> http://ideasnet.wordpress.com/2013/01/21/ides-server-how-to-realize-a-mail-server-using-postfix-dovecotsquirremail-with-sasl-and-tls-authentication-in-ubuntu-12-04-lts-server-edition-part-1/
[16:15] <BigRedS_> "realize a mail server"? eurgh
[16:16] <daftykins> i second the disgust at that abuse of English
[16:16] <Saur0_> haha yeah but it seemed to cover everything i needed
[16:16] <daftykins> "Riccardo Magrini is a Network Engineer withing Business Unit..."
[16:16] <BigRedS_> yeah, edit /etc/postfix/main.cf and remove that backslash from permit_sasl_authenticated
[16:16] <BigRedS_> I don't know why he put it there
[16:18] <Saur0_> to be fair I should have noticed that
[16:18] <Saur0_> :/
[16:19] <Saur0_> yeah now working again, thanks
[16:20] <Saur0_> useful logging info
[16:32] <kbingham> how does upstart determine what services there are ? I'm trying to get tftpd-hpa to run (on 14.04) I've done the obvious apt-get install, but /etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa start gives /etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa status
[16:32] <kbingham>  * in.tftpd is not running
[16:33] <kbingham> upstart doesn't know about it : start tftpd-hpa
[16:33] <kbingham> start: Unknown job: tftpd-hpa
[16:33] <daftykins> afaiui init scripts are old school, what about 'sudo service <that> status' ?
[16:34] <kbingham> sudo service tftpd-hpa status
[16:34] <kbingham> status: Unknown job: tftpd-hpa
[16:34] <kbingham> but ... service --status-all |& grep tftp
[16:34] <kbingham>  [ - ]  tftpd-hpa
[16:34] <kbingham> hence my confusion ...
[16:37] <daftykins> funky! ho-hum all beyond my experience level sadly
[16:38] <daftykins> i'm sure someone else could comment, but what's the use of status commands when a process list shows it's running? :>
[16:38] <kbingham> but its not running ...
[16:39] <awilkins> Does [-] mean disabled?
[16:40] <kbingham> yes - [+] would be running.
[16:43] <awilkins> Lots of [?] as well
[16:46] <smittix> now then
[16:48] <awilkins> Shameless shilling alert : https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/focus-fusion-empowertheworld--3
[16:49] <awilkins> I have no affiliation with said project, but I would love to see them succeed... if Google was willing to entertain their project lead to come talk to them (in the same kind of slot they entertained Dr Bussard) ... maybe there's something in it
[16:54] <corkey> corkey
[16:55] <awilkins> Clearly he needed to go and find Bottletop Bill
[16:55] <kbingham> ugh ... a reboot sorted the tftpd issues
[16:55] <kbingham> but shouldn't have needed it :S
[17:17] <shauno> ugh, I swear compactflash cards only exist to annoy me
[17:21] <daftykins> lol
[17:21] <daftykins> what are they up to?
[17:21] <daftykins> ooh my current song was appropriate
[17:21] <daftykins> does it become a trouble maker? ~
[17:24] <shauno> I have a little usb reader for them, and it's attainted sentience
[17:24] <daftykins> uh-oh, RotM
[17:24] <shauno> it shows up here there and everywhere.  until I need to write to one of these things.  and then it takes a vacation.
[17:31] <daftykins> call me crazy... but you don't *mount* audio CDs do you? they've been helping this guy for like 2hrs in #ubuntu but i'm pretty sure he's just trying to do something that's not possible
[17:31] <shauno> you don't.  although windows tricks you into thinking they have a filesystem, so people think you do
[17:33] <shauno> while it's technically wrong, it helps to think of each track as a partition.  data CDs have one partition with a filesystem in it.  audio CDs have however many 'partitions' with wav data in them.  mixed-mode CDs have both
[17:35] <shauno> this way mixed-mode CDs start to make sense, and it becomes much clearer that wav isn't a filesystem
[17:36] <daftykins> *nod* just a table of contents instead
[17:37] <daftykins> i just don't use a desktop Linux to have enough experience with such tasks
[17:37] <shauno> well in my disasterous analogy, the ToC is just another type of partition map :)
[17:38] <daftykins> ^_^
[17:39] <shauno> last time I paid any attention, Sound Juicer was the gnome-y way to play/rip audio CDs
[17:40] <shauno> but I'm the wrong person to ask.  I don't really use desktop linux either, and I've only bought one CD in the last 8 years  (because "can you sign my itunes" just doesn't work)
[17:40] <daftykins> i buy CDs and rip to FLAC :)
[17:40] <daftykins> then i never look at them again
[17:42] <shauno> okay, because I can't find this card reader.  I'm instead emulating another computer so that I can write it's disk images, to stick in my disk emulator
[17:46] <daftykins> what on earth, i've got a stuck process in Windows
[17:51] <daftykins> it just. won't. die!
[17:54] <shauno> use the fire!
[17:55] <daftykins> i tried :(
[17:55] <daftykins> "taskkill /F /IM pidgin.exe /T"
[17:55] <daftykins> no go.
[17:58] <shauno> don't most windows boxes have a button on the front for solving problems?
[18:00] <daftykins> shauno: :D
[18:18] <daftykins> wow, i actually had to reset.
[18:42] <Saur0_> ugh postfix is getting on my nerves now, I can't send mail to external domains (gmail.com) I keep getting 454 4.7.1 relay access denied message
[18:42] <Saur0_> I can recive mail ok
[18:44] <shauno> would it help if I tell you that's not a bad thing?
[18:45] <Saur0_> well its secure and not spamming anyone
[18:45] <shauno> bingo.  it's a safe default to start from :)
[18:45] <shauno> but it does mean you've got more dovecot/sasl nonsense ahead of you
[18:45] <Saur0_> yeah theres a fine line between security and usability
[18:45] <shauno> eg, this bit; https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/serverguide/postfix.html#postfix-smtp-authentication
[18:47] <shauno> although there is a shortcut.  if you're only accepting mail from an internal network, you can add that network to 'mynetworks' to give them a free pass
[18:47] <shauno> but if you want to be able to use it from outside your lan, you need to get smtp-auth working anyway, so you can skip the cheat
[18:48] <Saur0_> I have webmin installed
[18:48] <Saur0_> and can send mail out from the postfix modual
[18:49] <Saur0_> but it has the wrong from address (user@server.domain.net)
[18:49] <daftykins> !webmin
[18:49] <shauno> to be honest, that's just going to get you in more trouble.  if you start mixing the right way to do it (the ubuntu docs), the wrong way to do it (webmin completely ignores how ubuntu/debian like to configure things), and random blog posts (who knows!), you'll end up with a mess that no-one understands
[18:50] <Saur0_> yeah well i'm trying to avoid it
[18:51] <shauno> I was trying to find a nice way to explain "burn it with fire", but avoid is a good start ;)
[18:51] <daftykins> shauno: you may need to bring the next arsonists anonymous meeting forward again
[18:51] <Saur0_> yeah fair enough but it doesn't change postfix issues
[22:17] <safado> hi  all my fist time here, I'm not from uk. am I allowed to ask for help here?
[22:23] <safado> anyone here?
[22:33] <daftykins> safado: you sure can
[22:33] <daftykins> not sure what attracts non-UK people to us over the main support channel though :D
[22:34] <safado> because you all are attractive I suppose ;)
[22:34] <safado> pls how do I pastebin ?
[22:34] <safado> !safado | pastebin
[22:35] <diddledan_> especially shauno , he's hawt
[22:35] <diddledan_> :-p
[22:35] <shauno> I really need to figure out how to stop this thing pinging me when it's you :p
[22:35] <diddledan_> lol
[22:35] <shauno> !pastebin | safado
[22:36] <shauno> (so close - you had the right idea)
[22:36] <diddledan_> shauno, because I only ever mention your name when I'm being an ass?
[22:36] <diddledan_> surely that's the best time to be pinged, no?
[22:38] <safado> thx shauno. I love your discussion, really interesting and...promising... But I'm sad because of my problem now, any help? http://pastebin.com/xghuadHz
[22:39] <shauno> you appear to have something that's replacing ' with "smart quotes"?
[22:41] <safado> �
[22:41] <safado> I don't understand
[22:42] <shauno> before s/ and after /g, should just be a simple apostrophe
[22:42] <safado> in terminal 14.04 LTS I put this: sudo sed --in-place 's/NoDisplay=true/NoDisplay=false/g' *.desktop
[22:42] <safado> no error
[22:43] <safado> then I put this to undo: sudo sed --in-place ‘s/NoDisplay=false/NoDisplay=true/g’ *.desktop
[22:43] <diddledan_> ' is not the same as ‘ or ’
[22:43] <shauno> right - the second one is using slightly different characters instead of '
[22:44] <safado> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhI understand!
[22:44] <safado> but
[22:44] <safado> I have a foreign keyboard. Can I ask you the favour to write it down correct for me to copy/paste from the bin please?
[22:45] <safado> is it too much to ask
[22:45] <safado> I know
[22:45] <shauno> from your own paste, the ones on line 2 are correct - you can just copy fromthere
[22:45] <safado> am I dumb....
[22:45] <shauno> I just tried to type them on an italian layout, and I couldn't find them either :/
[22:46] <safado> I copied the command from a site I think us site
[22:47] <shauno> yeah.  this happens.  some sites will try to automatically 'correct' them.  It's better grammatically, but sed doesn't know this
[22:47] <shauno> I keep finding ones that replace a - (minus sign) with a long dash as well, which has similar effects
[22:49] <safado> exatly what also happened, a dash instead of two --
[22:49] <shauno> yes, that's the one
[22:49] <safado> but as you see i corrected it, then I didn't see the '
[22:50] <safado> you helped me
[22:50] <safado> thanx
[22:50] <safado> and still someone is asking why everyone from abroad comes here...
[22:51] <shauno> flattery will get you everywhere ;)
[22:51] <safado> to get help in a foreign language is not everywhere ;)
[22:52] <safado> anytime you need a promo, I'm here
[22:52] <safado> btw
[22:53] <safado> to your judgement is it worth to delete the ubuntu partition of a w7 disk from win and then re-install it clean with the LiveDVD?
[22:54] <safado> I don't like Wubi because slowly I'll quit windows
[22:57] <shauno> now wubi I have no idea about :)
[22:57] <safado> the windows installer for ubuntu
[22:58] <daftykins> WUBI is a really, really really bad idea
[22:59] <daftykins> and i think is unsupported now
[22:59] <safado> that's whyI donìt like it
[23:00] <safado> I have installed 14.04 but forgot to clic the two update cases, then i made the update too late because i forgot to sudo get-update
[23:00] <safado> it's all a mess
[23:02] <daftykins> i don't really follow
[23:02] <safado> the mouse doesn't work properly that's too bad. I've seen it's a known bug with no solution for now. I'd like to go back to 12.04 clean
[23:02] <daftykins> "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" would keep any version up to date
[23:04] <safado> is it exactly the same thing with Software Update window?
[23:05] <safado> daftykins thx
[23:07] <daftykins> mmm, it may be more of a "sudo apt-get upgrade" in Software Update, instead of a dist-upgrade
[23:07] <daftykins> which is a minor difference really
[23:08] <safado> do you know of any problem related to mouse AND java?
[23:08] <safado> nothing like that on 12.04
[23:13] <daftykins> not personally, but i have very limited desktop experience
[23:13] <safado> ok
[23:13] <safado> well thx daftykins thx shauno see u
[23:13] <daftykins> g'bye
[23:15] <shauno> now that it's safe to be off-topic .. I just found a racing game on my amiga called "ultimate skidmarks plus".  I'm not sure if that's a bold choice, or a poor choice.
[23:16] <daftykins> XD
[23:16] <daftykins> plot twist: it's a laundrette sim
[23:17] <shauno> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZXpvhXPpd4
[23:19] <daftykins> wow
[23:19] <daftykins> now seriously, i remember being blown away by the amigas
[23:19] <daftykins> why did they disappear :(
[23:19] <shauno> because commodore
[23:21] <shauno> besides, most of what made the hardware special just .. isn't special anymore
[23:22] <shauno> they always boasted that they used individual chips for major functions.  paula did audio, alice does video, etc
[23:23] <shauno> that's perfectly normal now
[23:23] <daftykins> but surely they had a fair lead, so it took PCs ages to catch up?
[23:23] <daftykins> so they must have stagnated rather than innovated
[23:23] <daftykins> or were they too expensive?
[23:24] <shauno> the version of history I remember (may or may not be correct) was that commodore was so hell-bent on a successor to the c64 that they wasted what they'd bought
[23:25] <daftykins> ah :(
[23:25] <daftykins> a sort of, R&D sinkhole?
[23:27] <daftykins> hmm, i chose a stripe size of 256KB on my new RAID
[23:27] <daftykins> i wonder if that was wise vs. 64KB
[23:28] <shauno> do the carry any overhead?
[23:28] <shauno> *they
[23:29] <daftykins> how do you mean? it's very relaxed storage that's written to infrequently
[23:29] <shauno> I have no idea how raid works, but curious if there's any overhead to keeping track of stripes, etc
[23:30] <daftykins> oic
[23:30] <shauno> eg, if it keeps an index of them, a size that used to work well on 80gig disks would be a big big index on a 4tb disk
[23:30] <daftykins> well it's a hardware controller
[23:49] <shauno> well, at least you make me feel a little better about how long this miggy is taking to format 2GB
[23:50] <daftykins> :D
[23:51] <daftykins> yeah all told it's gonna be about 16hrs to have initialised a 6x2TB RAID5
[23:54] <shauno> this is actually doing pretty well, considering when it was new the options were for 20MB or 40MB drives
[23:55] <shauno> but I think I'm going to hit the hay and trust it'll be finished in the morning
[23:56] <daftykins> :D my plan indeed
[23:57] <daftykins> no point being awake to see "100%" tick over to "OK"
[23:57] <daftykins> g'night sir \o
[23:57] <shauno> night