[01:18] Are we having fun yet? [01:31] working on the camper wooo [03:46] watching On Site With Thomas with Rowan and eating popcorn for dinner since Carrie is at a baby sitting coop meeting thingy [03:46] also, mentally prepping for tomorrow's flight to Zurich [11:54] greg-g: Wait, there's no baby sitting available during the baby sitting co-op meeting? [12:02] morning [12:11] Good morning [12:52] gooood morning campers [12:53] rick_h_: Remote work is part of your Javascript junkie job request, right? [12:53] brousch: yea [12:57] rick_h_: Was that personality test work-related? [12:58] cmaloney: yea, manager training [12:58] cmaloney: I took one at my first job out of college as well [12:58] I really, really hate personality tests. :) [12:58] so comparing the diff (though I don't have the details of my first one) [12:58] I wouldn't care but I did it straight out of college and I find the idea of reflecting on changes over 10yr ish to be interesting [12:59] Yeah, you've become more tolerant of wrong people. :) [12:59] :P [12:59] Instead of complete annihilation, you've chosen nihilism. [13:01] Hm, ENTJ seems to fit you well, rick_h_ [13:01] It's a horoscope [13:01] brousch: yea, I was surprised the N turned to S, but then again maybe I've gotten more list-like over time [13:02] to be fair, it was only slightly S vs N so I guess I play the middle well enough [13:02] I think you've also become more tolerant. [13:02] and by tolerant I mean you're not force-choking those who oppose you. ;) [13:03] hah [13:03] I'll take it [13:05] * cmaloney just got an idea for Darth Vader in management training [13:21] OK, this is strange [13:23] On Reddit: someone posted http://www.reddit.com/r/progmetal/comments/24xnva/fountain_of_lamneth_rush/ [13:23] http://is.gd/oJWlln - Too Many Requests [13:23] hah. [13:24] .np squeekyhoho [13:24] squeekyhoho's current track - I Think I'm Going Bald by Rush on Caress Of Steel [13:24] I _rarely_ play Caress of Steel [13:24] but the Squeezebox picked it at random. [13:54] So Jython is not quite dead yet http://fwierzbicki.blogspot.com/2014/05/jython-27-beta2-released.html [13:54] http://is.gd/SiYd95 - Frank Wierzbicki's Weblog: Jython 2.7 beta2 released! [13:54] who cares about jython when pypy is so awesome? [13:55] People who love Swing? [13:55] jrwren: Now now now, I'm sure the folks who are interested in Java libraries would take umbrage with your statement. [13:55] both of them. [13:55] brousch: THERE ARE NONE! [13:56] Good luck running your applet on pypy [13:56] jrwren: wherever there are two people gathered there will be a magazine. [13:56] Everybody loves applets [13:56] brousch: ANd parachute pants. [13:56] It's Java right in your browser! [13:57] applet? [13:57] those don't exist. [13:57] I made a Java applet in 1997. that is well after parachute pants were popular [13:57] i did too, in '96 or 97, was only wya to get audio on a webpage, and I wanted my webpage to play music! [13:58] Well I learned one thing from that blog post. It looks like Maven Central is pypi for Java http://search.maven.org/ [13:58] http://is.gd/UoZuo1 - The Central Repository Search Engine [13:59] you didn't know about maven? [13:59] java folks LOVE maven [14:01] I just encountered it for the first time when trying to build bookie for Android, but I'm not a Java guy [14:09] i only know of it cuz I know java folks and we talk nerdy [14:14] what is maven? [14:14] a build system? [14:25] like brousch said, its like pypi [14:25] so... its like rubygems.org [14:25] I think maven is a build system, and Maven Central is pypi [14:25] it can be. [14:26] you can also use it with ant, but still trigger maven dependency mgmt [14:26] although I have no idea how folks do things these days [14:41] * cmaloney is checking out Vundle [14:53] i use vundle [14:55] * jrwren ddgs [14:56] oh! that is the new thingy. [14:58] I still use pathogen [14:59] what does vundle do that pathogen doesn't? [14:59] I didn't follow [15:02] Vundle allows you to add the plugin in your .vimrc [15:03] It's one more layer above pathogen. [15:03] rick_h_: I think you're the one person it's not intended for. :) [15:03] lepture.com/en/2012/vundle-vs-pathogen [15:10] i'd do vundle if I were starting over. [15:10] i'm just too lazy to start over. [15:10] Eclipse4Life! [15:13] brousch: that'd be a catch-22, it's just getting started. [15:14] wtf is Eclipse4Life? [15:18] That's what I say to irritate the vimmers [15:41] oh, so vundle just does git pulls for you [15:41] so you need a new tool to automate that?! cursed open source [15:43] Small, focused tools. If you don't like that, join me in Eclipse4Life [15:44] yea, let me get right on that whole 'stab my eyes out' thing [15:45] maybe emacs is more your style [15:45] already using a kenisis to avoid wrist pain thanks [15:45] hey so I tried atom [15:45] and it's <3 [15:46] jcastro: :P [15:46] OSX-only. It can DIAF until it runs on Linux [15:46] it's more of a sublime replacement than a vim replacement [15:46] runs linux yo [15:47] Front page has only OSX download link, FAQ says only OSX [15:48] https://github.com/atom/atom#linux-requirements [15:48] http://is.gd/wQFR1Q - atom/atom · GitHub [15:48] it took a while to build though, like 20 minutes on my i7 [15:48] Geez, well at least now it doesn't have to DIAF [15:48] Thanks [15:49] I still don't know what Eclipse4Life means [15:50] It means use Eclipse for the rest of your life [15:51] Is Eclipse like some tool for watching the moon and sun and earth interact? [15:51] Y U troll me bro? [15:53] Windows requirements for Atom are interesting: Visual Studio 2010 C++ Express, Github for Windows, and Python2.7? [15:57] Funnily enough it was the Atom announcement that indirectly got me to try Vundle. [16:08] yes, I am trolling you brousch :) [16:34] Eclipse is a tool for stress testing your CPU and RAM [16:35] and your patience [16:43] I probably would love eclipse if someone ever taught me how to use it. [16:43] every time I try to learn it, I get angry and stop using it. Its unusable IMO [16:44] no...no you wouldn't [16:45] you are right, I wouldn't love it. [16:45] I might tollerate it. [16:45] kinda like redhat based distros... tollerable. [16:45] I have the same problem. Every time I play with Eclipse it pisses me off. [16:45] cmaloney: ^5 [16:46] i used it professionally and don't miss a thing [16:46] It's like having an entire ecosystem based on cargo-cult installation [16:46] (coincidentally that's also part of the reason I don't care for Ruby) [16:47] (though when compared with Eclipse Ruby's ecosystem seems downright professional) [16:50] speaking of ruby: https://twitter.com/arirubinstein/status/463848382386040832 [16:50] http://is.gd/gq8VRY - Twitter / arirubinstein: curl localhost:3000/staraction ... [16:50] heh [16:50] Wasn't that fixed a while back? [16:51] http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q2/260 this suggests not? [16:51] http://is.gd/qW0gdy - oss-sec: [CVE-2014-0130] Directory Traversal Vulnerability With Certain Route Configurations [16:51] Oh ffs [17:38] cmaloney: what do you mean by cargo-cult? [17:41] Hm, got an email from these guys asking to talk to me. They got my info from GitHub and called me "a Macgyver". Looks kind of interesting actually https://www.truevault.com/ [17:41] http://is.gd/HE2DwB - TrueVault - HIPAA compliant data store [17:51] mrgoodcat: https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=cargo+cult [17:51] http://is.gd/daQwAL - Let Me DuckDuckGo That For You [17:51] lol [17:51] damnit bookiebot, ruining things [17:52] lol [17:52] greg-g: i would have probbably figured it out from the url anyways [17:52] duck duck go > google [17:52] those "let me X for you" urls should be short urls/obfuscated [17:53] you could have shortened it. bookiebot would still have ruined your fun though [17:55] mrgoodcat: I want *them* to do it for me! I'm lazy! [17:55] http://ur1.ca/h9vp0 [17:55] Let Me DuckDuckGo That For You [17:55] haha. i think lmgtfy has a shorten option [17:56] it is nice to know what shortlinks are before clicking on them though [17:56] doesn't look like it, but I've moved on ;) [17:57] jcastro: i'm building atom on my chromebook right now and it's SOOOO SLOOOWWW [17:57] heh [17:57] took about 25minutes on my i7 btw [17:57] dual core 1.4 [17:58] celeron ftw [17:58] celeron: impersonating a real processor since 1995. [17:58] 2793.71 [17:58] most important number [17:58] BOGOMIPS :) [17:59] this celeron is haswell based [17:59] I am pleasantly surprised at how well the C720 runs [17:59] same [17:59] love it [17:59] I mean, other than compiling software, it's <3 [17:59] although it could use a bit more ram [17:59] Get the 4GB model foolio [17:59] yeah I put like 16GB of RAM in my machine for chrome, and they're slumming it at 4GB [18:00] i've got 2 [18:00] couldn't get my hands on the 4 model [18:00] jcastro: you went chromebook? [18:00] They come and go [18:00] rick_h_, I added one [18:00] cool [18:00] i'll get a pixel if i can find a good deal on it [18:00] it's our couch PC, mostly Jills [18:00] but pixel doesn't have haswell [18:00] which is pretty bummer [18:02] mrgoodcat: Currently at Office Depot for $270 (http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/504674/Acer-Aspire-C720-29554G01aii-116-LED/) and Newegg for $265 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834314406) [18:02] http://is.gd/3XQqKR - Acer Aspire C720 29554G01aii 116 LED ComfyView Notebook Intel Celeron 2955U 140 GHz by Office Depot [18:02] http://is.gd/cRY9pd - Newegg.com - Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, LED LCD TV, Digital Cameras and more! [18:05] I might get one of these http://www.pcworld.com/article/2151161/lenovo-announces-n20p-chromebook-with-touchscreen-and-300-degree-hinge.html [18:05] http://is.gd/CNcMc5 - Lenovo announces consumer N20 Chromebooks [18:10] depends on specs [18:11] i saw that yesterday [18:13] i'd like to have haswell, >=4gb ram, and a pixel-quality 11-13 inch screen [18:13] removeable ram and ssd would be nice too [18:15] It has 4GB of RAM, but the usual crappy Chromebook screen [18:16] The Samsung Chromebook 2 13" is the only other one with a nice screen [18:16] rick_h_, the way thinkpads are going I am afraid we're all going to end up with chromebooks [18:17] i <3 cromebooks [18:17] Pretty much [18:17] You'll buy your thinkpad with ChromeOS or Windows. Which evil do you hate less? [18:17] just wish my kb was a bit nicer [18:18] you think chromeos is evil? [18:18] I wish the KB was a little more "standard" [18:18] certainly less evil than windows [18:18] gdi [18:18] i have to rebuild node [18:19] i'm running master which is v0.11.* [18:19] atom only supports v0.10.* [18:24] mrgoodcat: You run Ubuntu 14.04 on it, right? [18:25] yup [18:25] but i had to wrestle with it a bit [18:25] turned out, the kernel that ships with 14.04 doesn't work with the patches everyone's been using [18:25] but i got it all working [18:26] i also have chromeos though. dual boot ftw [18:27] i should get one of those cheapo chrome books and run ubuntu on it [18:27] it can be the netbook revolution all over again wheeee [18:27] except these are actually nice [18:28] i hated netbooks when they first came out because they were all crap [18:28] except for their screens, keyboards, and disk space [18:28] rick_h_: No, no. Netbooks were 7-10" at 1024x600. Chromebooks are 11-13" at 1366x768 resolution. It's entirely different [18:28] brousch: oh oh oh my bad [18:29] brousch: I thought you were talking about cheap laptops still. [18:30] haters gonna hate [18:30] i love my c720 [18:31] 1366x768??? fuck that. [18:31] i don't love the screen [18:31] but we love our kids even when they eat glue right? [18:31] i'll never go less than 1440x900 [18:31] mrgoodcat: you got kids? [18:31] lol no [18:31] fuckallofthat [18:31] jrwren: Then you need the Samsung Chromebook 2 13" (1080p) or Pixel [18:32] neither of those have the CPU i want [18:32] aren't those $$$$ [18:32] Samsung is an ARM CPU though, so you can all of the good stuff from Linux [18:32] haswell is way better for battery life [18:32] can't get [18:32] Pixel can be found for $850 used [18:32] Samsung Chromebook 2 looks pretty sweet, but I'm not sure I want to run ubuntu ARM [18:32] i can get 4 of these for that [18:33] indeed! [18:33] get 4, and matrix the displays [18:33] atom has failed to build like 10 times now. i've tried multiple versions of node/npm and running as sudo. i even uninstalled and reinstalled deps [18:35] bah. needed to set node to use python2 [18:35] years ago there was an X windows virtual server which would display to multiple X windows servers. [18:35] i wonder if that is still around [18:36] oh finally it builds [18:36] slowly [18:39] Node needs Python? [18:39] jcastro: have you used sublime? [18:39] brousch: no, but the build script does [18:40] for atom [18:40] mrgoodcat, yeah it's my current editor [18:40] better or worse than atom? [18:40] i'm building atom right now but ST3 is my current [18:44] i'ts more finished [18:44] but I will be transitioning to atom [18:47] i like that atom is OSS [18:47] but ST3 is hard to beat [18:53] jcastro: does atom install fuck with your .profile or anything like that? [18:53] not afaict [18:53] git grep .profile [18:53] will answer that quickly [18:54] the only issue I have right now is that it takes a long time to build [18:54] but someone can set up launchpad to build packages eventually [18:54] oh, and the 5 second start up time isn't so hot either [18:54] i got it fixed [18:55] apm is a bad program name [18:55] since it already exists [18:55] node-apm isn't it? [18:55] i mean when debian packaged? [18:55] what do you mean? [18:56] in the debian world things get prefixed [18:56] apm is the atom package manager [18:56] ah got it [18:56] /usr/local/share/atom/atom: error while loading shared libraries: libudev.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [18:57] i have libudev1 and libudev-dev installed [18:59] i just linked libudev.so.1 to libudev.so.0 [18:59] and atom started.... [18:59] so i hope that wasn't a bad idea [19:08] looks like you should have libudev0 maybe? [19:08] its maybe becuase you are on 14.04 instead of 12.04? [19:11] yea 14.04 doesn't have libudev0 in the repos [19:12] so here's to hoping they're similar enough not to screw me up :) [19:13] it likely is [19:15] started reading the changelog but gave up [19:15] too long [19:15] looks like mostly security updates though [19:15] and bugfixes [19:15] it comes from system3 [19:16] systemd [19:16] which likely HAS had a lot of changes since 12.04, but maybe not in libudev :p [19:16] its TINY: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/src/libudev [19:17] http://is.gd/5xWseP - systemd/systemd - System and Session Manager [19:18] why does atom need libudev? [19:18] great question [19:19] git grep udev, find out ;) [19:20] it [19:21] it's not in there.... [19:21] maybe node needs it? [19:21] nope... [19:21] now i'm confused [19:21] WTF is CSON? [19:22] coffee script object notation *eyeroll* [19:22] coffee json [19:22] you must have seen the mega CSON? [19:23] i can't pretend to understand how /usr/local/share/atom/atom even ends up being an ELF executable [19:23] https://github.com/atom/atom is all coffee [19:23] http://is.gd/wQFR1Q - atom/atom · GitHub [19:23] haha [19:23] read the build script [19:23] which one? [19:24] actually not sure [19:25] idk how it works [19:44] Did rick_h_ make this? http://vim.sexy [19:44] http://is.gd/2ODQaZ - vim is sexy [19:45] hah, no [19:47] seems like something you'd make [19:47] good to see those new TLD's put to good use. [19:53] OMG WTF. In VB.NET you declare the length of an array by specifying it's last index, but arrays are zero indexed [19:55] So if you want to declare an 8 element array it's dim bleh(7) as whatever [19:55] so Dim students(6) As Integer actually makes an array of 7 [19:55] lol [19:56] Yes! [19:56] In my case, I was declaring an array based on the length of another array, but it kept coming out with 1 empty element [19:56] heh, *more* reasons to dislike VB [19:56] haha [19:57] length() isn't 0 indexed? [19:57] but declaring is? [19:57] Correct! [19:57] BWAHAHA [19:57] WTFBBQ [19:57] .. actually, I have dim memories about that being one of the "issues" of porting VB to VB.NET.. they had to "inherit" some things.. [19:58] (since the underlying byte-code is probably more like C than VB.. ) [19:59] Apparently they break language features in between releases. I have to work in VB.NET for VS 2008 right now. I wonder if they will fix this in newer versions [20:00] I'll put a comment beginning with WTF to mark this stuff [20:00] http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:item.detail?hide_menu_area=true&GroupID=460&Code=0B47189 [20:00] http://is.gd/gMu7N1 - ThinkPad Compact Bluetooth Keyboard with TrackPoint US English | Lenovo | (US) [20:00] heh.. "ultimate correctness" (e.g. fix in future) or "at least its consistent" (e.g. broken forever).. not sure which is better. [20:01] ooooh, that keyboard is hawt [20:02] cmaloney: it's cool but laptop scissor switches :( [20:02] Saw popey with two of them (different models I think) and thought of rick_h_ [20:02] yeah, that's the only downside [20:02] oh yea, I've been so tempted many times [20:03] see, I do have the ability to resist...once in a while [20:03] but hey, that's one way to work around the broken Thinkpad keyboard on their stupid laptops [20:03] * rick_h_ says that while opening his new UPS box with three NUCs inside for his upcoming MAAS garage [20:04] dafuq? [20:04] Which ones did you buy? [20:04] jcastro: knows what I'm talking :) [20:04] Oh no [20:04] I see where this is going already. [20:05] business class multi IP service installed next tues [20:05] going to have two diff networks at home [20:05] juju deploy nuc dafuq [20:05] wow [20:05] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856102052 [20:05] http://is.gd/BLLO9Z - Newegg.com - Intel NUC D54250WYK1 Intel QS77 2 x 204Pin Intel HD Graphics 5000 NUC Kit [20:05] i should host my shit at rick_h_'s house [20:05] mrgoodcat: Pretty soon you will [20:06] rick_h_: you going to host bmark.us or something? [20:06] mrgoodcat: no, it's for work [20:06] well, mostly work and playing with juju/charms/etc [20:06] but the goal is to have a maas setup teammates can use [20:07] Basically rick_h_ is going to have CI for Juju in his basement. [20:07] woot! [20:08] Geez. Took me 12 lines of VB to do this code that would take 2 lines of Python [20:09] pastie for lulz? or proprietary code? [20:12] I really miss list comprehensions http://pastebin.com/NVwmcirs [20:12] http://is.gd/7GSd7L - Imports System Imports System.IO Public Class MainForm Dim PATH_TO_BOMS - Pastebin.com [20:13] I'm sure some of it due to not knowing VB.NET well [20:17] Python does the same thing re: length of arrays [20:17] That's the fun of arrays that start from 0 [20:17] brousch: in VB.NET you can set the base of arrays per file. [20:18] http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa266179%28v=vs.60%29.aspx [20:18] http://is.gd/tFkbw5 - Option Base Statement [20:18] jrwren: That sounds like an excellent shotgun for an unsuspecting foot [20:18] OPTION BASE 0 if you want zero based arrays like a REAL lang :) [20:18] That sounds like a recipe for fun [20:18] It is base 0 [20:18] but you define it by the last element, not the length [20:19] "Basically rick_h_ is going to have CI for Juju in his basement." -- don't we all run that on our basement openstacks? [20:19] jrwren: But of course. [20:20] I heat my home with Octocore CPUs. [20:21] octocore? i just run it on an old laptop :p [20:29] grep -r WTF . | wc -l [20:30] 32 [20:30] on most recent kernel [20:30] 15 wtf [20:31] 30 fuck [20:31] git grep is your friend :p [20:32] apt-get source doesn't get it as a git repo [20:32] git grep WTF [20:32] not a git repository [20:32] file a bug on that :) [20:51] brousch: I think you can impl that whole event handler in 2 lines of code. [20:51] Dim bomDirInfo As New DirectoryInfo(PATH_TO_BOMS) [20:51] cmbJobNumber.Items.AddRange(From dirInfo in bomDirInfo.GetDirectories Select dirInfo.Name Order By dirInfo.Name) [20:58] brousch: point being, LINQ is far more powerful than python list comprehensions [20:59] Looks like I should read my book first [20:59] some of the time when I write python, I miss linq :) [21:00] It doesn't work, but I can see where you're going with it [21:00] yeah, I don't have a VB compiler at my disposal :( [21:01] Even just AddRange eliminates a bunch of code [21:01] I'll read my VB.NET book [21:03] yup, addrange is your friend. most lists support it [21:07] brousch: add Imports System.Linq at top [21:07] change orderby to just 'Order By Name' [21:09] i found this - http://dotnetfiddle.net/ which lets me try it :) [21:09] http://is.gd/wUSSbZ - .NET Fiddle [21:11] Unable to cast object of type 'System.Linq.OrderedEnumerable`2[System.String,System.String]' to type 'System.Object[]'. [21:13] ah, stupid combobox [21:13] heh [21:13] wrap whole thing in parens adn then call ToArray() [21:15] cmbJobNumber.Items.AddRange((From dirInfo in bomDirInfo.GetDirectories() Select dirInfo.Name Order By Name).ToArray()) [21:16]