[04:07] <mitya57> Riddell: yes, please upload, I don't have upload rights for it.
[06:12] <soee> good morning
[06:50] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:02] <apachelogger> wgrant: can you please give these two builds a score bump  https://code.launchpad.net/~blue-shell/+archive/taskmanager-qml/+build/5987612  https://code.launchpad.net/~blue-shell/+archive/taskmanager-qml/+build/5987613 
[08:03] <wgrant> apachelogger: Done
[08:03] <apachelogger> wgrant: thanks
[08:03] <wgrant> Though they're mostly behind KDE builds anyway :P
[08:03] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1089483] package kde-runtime-data 4:4.9.2-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: package kde-runtime-d... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1089483 (by Richel Bilderbeek)
[08:04] <apachelogger> wgrant: oh, what do we have queued?
[08:04] <wgrant> I saw a lot of neon stuff earlier.
[08:04] <wgrant> Maybe it's cleared now
[08:05] <apachelogger> should be, they get triggered at 3 UTC I think
[08:05] <wgrant> The queues are pretty awful atm, so you never know.
[08:06] <apachelogger> indeed, I saw a build that was in queue for 10 hours ^^
[08:08] <apachelogger> valorie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/SystemDocumentation?highlight=%28CategoryKubuntuUseful%29 <- isn't that CategoryKubuntuRubbish?
[08:08] <apachelogger> seems to be about the legacy docs setup
[08:08] <valorie> it should not be moved
[08:09] <valorie> but I wish there was a way to save it... perhaps I'll just copy to a text file
[08:09] <apachelogger> well, instead of deleting it I can mark it deprecated
[08:10] <valorie> that would work
[08:10] <apachelogger> internally its search matches will be down scored but the data is still there
[08:22] <apachelogger> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lp5a-r3MJU
[08:22] <apachelogger> the internet is a very strange place 
[08:24] <apachelogger> valorie: what do I do with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Documentation?highlight=%28CategoryKubuntuRubbish%29
[08:24] <valorie> wow
[08:24] <apachelogger> that actually seems like a duplication of the other page to begin with Oo
[08:24] <valorie> burn it with fire
[08:25]  * apachelogger uses the mighty flamethrower
[08:27] <valorie> that song seems to have been written to accompany the image of the octopus
[08:27] <valorie> so strange....
[08:30] <apachelogger> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYK2i2tR7gU this video OTOH raises the question how many people get eaten by octopuses every year
[08:31] <valorie> giant squid will kill and eat a whale....
[08:32] <valorie> oh my, octopus hickeys
[08:32] <apachelogger> makes for peculiar office talk
[08:33] <valorie> that there is a name for a band
[08:34] <apachelogger> first hit single "little octopus climbing over rock"
[08:35] <valorie> better than Men With Hats
[08:35] <valorie> or Trololo
[08:35] <valorie> detachable penis though, not better than that
[08:37]  * apachelogger nods
[08:38] <apachelogger> I think the kubuntu membership page needs some updatery and bringing in line with reality 
[08:38] <apachelogger> such as: not requiring a wiki page that no one will read and then be outdated the rest of eternity
[08:39] <valorie> I update my page!
[08:39] <Riddell> I find a wiki page really helpful when doing memberships
[08:39] <valorie> sometimes.....
[08:39] <valorie> it is personal advertising
[08:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, but couldn't people just as well throw that on lunchpad itself?
[08:39] <valorie> on launchpad?
[08:39] <valorie> where
[08:39] <apachelogger> tehre's an about field
[08:39] <apachelogger> or there used to be one
[08:40] <apachelogger> valorie: right at the top of your user page :P
[08:41] <valorie> well, I like the space to fill in details
[08:41] <valorie> because I forget what years I did things, etc.
[08:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: I guess so, or a blog or whatever
[08:41] <apachelogger> valorie: I don't think a lot of people actually track stuff like that
[08:41] <valorie> a blog would be good too
[08:42] <valorie> because then we can use them for advertising cool kub. stuff
[08:42] <apachelogger> my general point is: a wiki page is not much advertising outside the membership process
[08:42] <valorie> true
[08:42] <valorie> at one time I was more enthused about the whole ubuntu community
[08:42] <valorie> but now I stick more to my favorite places
[08:43] <valorie> such as here
[08:43] <apachelogger> and youtube
[08:43] <apachelogger> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm368W0OsHo
[08:43] <valorie> bbiam
[08:43] <apachelogger> also youtube annotations kill kittens
[08:44]  * apachelogger argues that wiki move is complete
[08:45] <apachelogger> oh, the developers page is still missing
[08:51] <shadeslayer> hi
[08:54] <Peace-> hi shadeslayer
[08:54]  * Peace- reads about lxqt 0.7 pubblic release
[08:55] <shadeslayer> yofel: re symbols from last night, debian/libkdecorations4abi2.symbols needs redoing right?
[08:55] <yofel> does it? I was just irritated that we had a symbol diff at all
[08:57] <shadeslayer> yofel: symbol diff against debian or symbol diff in my changes?
[08:57] <yofel> symbol diff in your changes
[08:58] <shadeslayer> well, some of them were required, for eg, the symbols file declared a build-dep on kdebase-workspace-dev
[08:58] <yofel> we often have symbol diff with debian, that's why using their symbol files is nonsense
[08:58] <shadeslayer> changed that to kde-workspace-dev
[08:58] <shadeslayer> but as for actual symbol changes, libkdecorations is the only one that I changed
[08:59] <yofel> the build-depends changes are fine, maybe I was just confused by your X-Debian-ABI changes which caused a huge diff
[09:00] <shadeslayer> yep, there I actually used the debian symbols file
[09:00] <yofel> builds fine?
[09:00] <shadeslayer> yeah
[09:00] <yofel> k, leave it then
[09:00] <shadeslayer> ok
[09:01] <shadeslayer> I was actually thinking of copying over debian's symbols to see what kind of diff we get
[09:02] <apachelogger> yofel, Mamarok: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Kubuntu/Introduction are we still using that?
[09:02] <apachelogger> last update was 2012
[09:14] <shadeslayer> yofel: fixed and pushed
[09:19]  * shadeslayer hops onto pkg-kde-tools
[09:20] <Mamarok> apachelogger: no idea, at least I don't know of another one
[09:21] <Mamarok> apachelogger: also last edit was in 2014, so I guess yes
[09:21] <apachelogger> Mamarok: that was adding a tag for review
[09:22] <Mamarok> s I said: I don't know of another one, and I never even touched that thing. It doesn't look obsolete
[09:23] <Mamarok> woah, wiki login takes like 2 minutes?
[09:23] <apachelogger> there's a reason I am moving our pages away from that wiki :P
[09:23] <Mamarok> 3 minutes now, still waiting
[09:23] <Mamarok> so yes, use that page, I guess one would just have to update it
[09:23] <apachelogger> proxy will time out
[09:24] <Mamarok> that still the old moin  moin thing?
[09:24] <Riddell> yep
[09:24] <Mamarok> ah, I am in
[09:26] <Mamarok> oh my, where can I change my settings? I still have a very old email, but there are no settings, I guess ubuntu one thing? Last time I tried to change something there I filed a bug because it didn't work, and that still doesn't seem to be solved, as I still get updates for that bug
[09:27] <apachelogger> Mamarok: https://login.ubuntu.com/
[09:27] <apachelogger> or maybe that's wiki specific
[09:28] <apachelogger> no, should be from login.ubuntu
[09:28] <Mamarok> I will try...
[09:30] <shadeslayer> mitya57: ping
[09:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: were apol and you able to come up with a way to reproduce the kconfig crash btw?
[09:32] <shadeslayer> mitya57: where is our pkg-kde-tools tracked?
[09:32] <shadeslayer> i.e. which bzr branch
[09:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: not really
[09:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: apol told me to try this patch http://pastebin.com/TzyabYCF and see if everything works
[09:33] <shadeslayer> and everything worked
[09:33] <shadeslayer> well, when I say worked, I mean nothing seemed broken
[09:33] <apachelogger> yeah, would be nice to have a test validating the fix for SRU though ^^
[09:34] <apachelogger> seems largely random though as threading issues always are
[09:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/utopic/pkg-kde-tools/utopic/view/head:/debian/rules#L8 is that l10n target required?
[09:50] <shadeslayer> if so, the version seems wrong
[09:52]  * shadeslayer taps fingers
[09:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it is
[09:58] <shadeslayer> it's required? in that case, the version is wrong?
[09:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it is
[09:58] <shadeslayer> ok
[09:58]  * shadeslayer fixes and moves on
[10:06] <Riddell> xnox: hi, you were wondering about a qt5 port of ubiquity?
[10:06] <Riddell> xnox: there's nothing talked about so far but one is needed
[10:06] <Riddell> xnox: a port to QWidget qt5 should be pretty simple
[10:06] <xnox> Riddell: do you want it as a separate frontend / new frontend?
[10:06] <Riddell> xnox: and that should be kubuntu could share the majority of code with ubuntu which would be lovely
[10:07] <xnox> Riddell: would you ship qt5 ubiquity frontend without shipping framework5?
[10:07] <xnox> Riddell: is framework5 going to be on kubuntu image for 14.10?
[10:07] <Riddell> xnox: yet to be decided but I hope so
[10:07] <xnox> Riddell: initially, i'm thinking to do a straight kde frontend port to qt5 and use that interim.
[10:07] <Riddell> xnox: but that's pretty unrelated as ubiquity is qt only
[10:07] <xnox> Riddell: add ubuntu features/branding as of when needed.
[10:08] <Riddell> xnox: right
[10:08] <apachelogger> I really don't think we'll need kf5 for a qt5 port, short of libsolid anyway
[10:08] <apachelogger> we don't really need the higher tier frameworks
[10:08] <xnox> Riddell: right, i mean do you ship qt5 on the image already, and would that be an acceptable dependency?
[10:09] <Riddell> xnox: we don't yet but I hope we will in utopic and we'd be all for it as a dependency
[10:09] <xnox> Riddell: cool, thanks.
[10:40] <shadeslayer> \o/ pkg-kde-tools merged
[10:46] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Can you get ktp in trusty-proposed verified?  It's old enough to be released if it gets tested.
[10:46]  * shadeslayer checks
[10:47] <shadeslayer> ScottK: I've been running it since it hit the repo
[10:47] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Then mark it verification done if you've tested it.
[10:47] <shadeslayer> roger
[10:53] <Riddell> hmm, do we have any qt 5.3 packages?
[10:55] <Riddell> seems plasma next needs it :(
[10:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: maybe in the beta Qt PPA?
[10:59] <Riddell> nah, I guess neon is the only place
[11:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: listening to alot of violin tunes I see :P
[11:03] <apachelogger> pianos are cool.
[11:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: violins are cooler
[11:04] <apachelogger> not really
[11:04] <shadeslayer> :O
[11:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: inspired by you I'm sure
[11:05] <apachelogger> sounds too often like dying kittens
[11:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: only when played incorrectly
[11:05] <apachelogger> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxEPV4kolz0 everyone likes piano men
[11:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no, they just do
[11:05] <apachelogger> it's what they are meant to do
[11:06] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ^^ halp
[11:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB_ghvfZ3ao
[11:08] <apachelogger> and that doesn't sound like a dying kitten you say?
[11:08] <shadeslayer> no
[11:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: this is what I'm practicing these days https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faIclqBe7E8
[11:10] <shadeslayer> them fingers be mental
[11:12] <apachelogger> http://southpark.wikia.com/wiki/A_Chorus_of_Wieners
[11:12] <shadeslayer> heh
[11:15] <apachelogger>   Uploading muon_2.2.0-0ubuntu3.1_source.changes: done.
[11:15] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[11:15] <apachelogger> ScottK: ^ SRU for kconfig crashes in muon
[11:24] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: what do you need help with?
[11:26] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: convincing apachelogger that violins > pianos
[11:26] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: and that violins don't sound like dying kittens
[11:27] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: only that Gane of Thrones exampe is dreadful, as his violin is badly tuned and he plays awful
[11:27] <Mamarok> his bow is just terrible
[11:27] <shadeslayer> lol, I can't tell at the moment, my ear isn't trained enough
[11:28] <BluesKaj> 'Mornimg all
[11:29] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: this one is much better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzNjxD3yjos
[11:29] <Mamarok> just don't do this to your bow :)
[11:58] <Riddell> hola shadeslayer 
[11:58] <Riddell> hola sgclark too
[11:58] <sgclark> morning :)
[12:00] <sgclark> Riddell: kdelibs4support or plasma-framework still attention?
[12:02] <Riddell> sgclark: I'm on kdelibs4support
[12:02] <Riddell> sgclark: plasma-framework is all yours
[12:02] <sgclark> ok thanks!
[12:02] <Riddell> followed by krunner
[12:03] <sgclark> k
[12:25] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I see you've now inspired afiestas for some strings as well
[12:39] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks. I'll try to take a look at it tonight. 
[12:45] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: O_O
[12:46] <shadeslayer> dat bow
[12:47] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: did you never completely unscrew it? Horse hair is awesome :)
[12:48] <shadeslayer> Not completely
[12:50] <sgclark> Riddell: plasma-framework ready
[13:06]  * apachelogger squints at gmail being filled with strange mails
[13:06] <apachelogger> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7SvCEc4BkQ
[13:07] <apachelogger> in related news: the mighty bbc still hasn't given an air date for season7 :@
[13:07] <apachelogger> s/7/8/ oh my head
[13:07] <kubotu> apachelogger meant: "in related news: the mighty bbc still hasn't given an air date for season8 :@"
[13:07] <apachelogger> kubotu: order coffee
[13:07]  * kubotu slides a cup of steamy hot coffee down the bar to apachelogger.
[13:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: inorite
[13:08] <shadeslayer> :(
[13:11] <Riddell> sgclark: yay!
[14:21] <sgclark> Riddell: krunner ready
[14:21] <shadeslayer> thoughts about dropping this delta http://paste.kde.org/pfzxyvivd
[14:21] <shadeslayer> saucy has 1:2.7.2-0ubuntu2
[14:22] <shadeslayer> trusty has 2.8
[14:22] <shadeslayer> so everything should be safe 
[14:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Riddell ^^
[14:23] <apachelogger> dunno, we need a policy for people to comment that shit
[14:23] <shadeslayer> I agree
[14:23] <apachelogger> just as annoying as can-we-drop-that-transition-yet
[14:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: why are you unsure btw?
[14:24] <apachelogger> I am not, it just needs looking into :P
[14:25] <apachelogger> 2.6 was in the rawring
[14:26] <shadeslayer> rmadison doesn't list raring
[14:26] <apachelogger> whos that?
[14:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: 
[14:27] <apachelogger> Copied from: Kubuntu Package Staging (DON'T USE). Copied by: Jonathan Riddell Target series: Precise
[14:27] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/pp7uzlxc0
[14:27] <apachelogger> pykde4 4:4.13.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.04~ppa1 in precise (source has no binaries to be copied)
[14:27] <apachelogger> btw
[14:27] <apachelogger> kubuntu-backports that is
[14:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: mind you, IMO conflicts replacery should never be dropped
[14:28] <apachelogger> no older calligrawr in the ppas
[14:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: fine to drop
[14:29] <apachelogger> on a related note... I wonder what happens if one appends the same relationship but a different version
[14:29] <apachelogger> e.g. if one had preserved the 2.4 conflictery but add a 2.6 conflictery
[14:29] <apachelogger> that would ultimately make deltas more obvious
[14:31]  * shadeslayer hates merging
[14:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7416392/ line 142
[14:43] <shadeslayer> can be dropped too?
[14:44] <shadeslayer> since everyone who upgraded to Trusty will have that, even if we backport calligra, people who upgraded to trusty will have the files in the correct place
[15:10] <apachelogger> now the cache rescans are back in the language kcm
[15:14] <apachelogger> now they are gone again
[15:14]  * apachelogger sighs
[15:25] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1317115] KDE Locale module support for changing language is incomplete @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1317115 (by Tim Edwards)
[15:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: kde-runtime also has an SRU for bug 1317115 
[16:25] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1317115] language kcm doesn't write env setup script @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1317115 (by Tim Edwards)
[16:49]  * shadeslayer is stopping work on calligra to preserve sanity
[17:25] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1317115] language kcm doesn't write env setup script @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1317115 (by Tim Edwards)
[21:33] <Riddell> weird e-mail du jour http://paste.kde.org/pxhrcein0#line-5
[21:37] <Riddell> so green http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_4.99.0_trusty.html